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The war on drugs is moronic

Conserative Morality
20-10-2007, 16:25
The war on drugs is doing the same thing that prohibition did,it created a general disrespect for the law(Hey drug dealers get away with it all the time,that means that we probably wont get caught shoplifting!) Now I personaly dont use drugs but i belive that others should have a choice.Now a large amount of people will say"We'll become a nation of drug users and teens will be taking drugs on a regular basis!"but they ALREADY ARE!And we wont become a nation of drug users the same way we didnt become a nation of drunks when prohibition ended.When prohibition ended crime went DOWN and when the war on drugs began crime went UP.Now what does that say?
Day by day because of the insane "war on drugs" our constitutional rights are being trampled.As if freedom of speech didnt take enough of a beating now they have to start on the other rights.If you try drugs you can get put in jail for LIFE whereas you can get away with just 12 years for RAPE.
Jails are getting overcrowded with people who have tried drugs just once and many polititions have admitted to have used drugs when they were younger.
I have put in my opinon and please try to civil even though this is a touchy topic.
Ifreann
20-10-2007, 16:50
Yes. Yes it is.
Dexlysia
20-10-2007, 16:53
The war on drugs is made of fail.
Free Socialist Allies
20-10-2007, 16:56
The war on drugs is doing the same thing that prohibition did,it created a general disrespect for the law(Hey drug dealers get away with it all the time,that means that we probably wont get caught shoplifting!) Now I personaly dont use drugs but i belive that others should have a choice.Now a large amount of people will say"We'll become a nation of drug users and teens will be taking drugs on a regular basis!"but they ALREADY ARE!And we wont become a nation of drug users the same way we didnt become a nation of drunks when prohibition ended.When prohibition ended crime went DOWN and when the war on drugs began crime went UP.Now what does that say?
Day by day because of the insane "war on drugs" our constitutional rights are being trampled.As if freedom of speech didnt take enough of a beating now they have to start on the other rights.You can get put in jail for LIFE whereas you can get away with just 12 years for RAPE.
Jails are getting overcrowded with people who have tried drugs just once and many polititions have admitted to have used drugs when they were younger.
I have put in my opinon and please try to civil even though this is a touchy topic.

And the sky is blue. It's not really a touchy topic, anyone with basic brain function shares the same opinion.
Linus and Lucy
20-10-2007, 16:56
No shit, Sherlock.
Neo Kervoskia
20-10-2007, 17:08
This thread is made of something that rhymes with quail
and tail
and stale
and pale
and mail
and jail
and grail
and braille
............what's the word?
Dryks Legacy
20-10-2007, 17:13
When prohibition ended crime went DOWN and when the war on drugs began crime went UP.Now what does that say?

Increasing the amount of laws increases the amount of crime and vice-versa. Not terribly surprising.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
20-10-2007, 17:14
And you people wonder why we only ever get threads about religion. Until someone is willing to troll and get really excited about something else, we'll keep getting the same stuff.
Freeholds
20-10-2007, 17:20
The drug war is an institutionalized money maker, that's why it is going to be hard to get rid of. Many police departments now budget in the money they get from the sale of seized assets to the point that they are dependant on such money for a considerable part of their budget. Then there is the prison construction industry.

This enormous waste of money is costing most people more than they realize as well as providing the excuse for greater police power for the state. Making enough peope aware of the tangable as well as the intangable problems the drug war creates would be a good step towards a saner policy.
Yootopia
20-10-2007, 18:00
*Shrugs*

I can see why they did it, even if I don't agree with it.

Class As like herion and crystal meth fuck people up hugely, and, as a casual cannabis user, it's pretty easy to say that it kind of takes away your energy to do much of anything other than sit about.
Kanami
20-10-2007, 18:07
Yet strangely enough many of you think banning guns is the way to go
Free Soviets
20-10-2007, 18:12
This thread is made of something that rhymes with quail
and tail
and stale
and pale
and mail
and jail
and grail
and braille
............what's the word?

the word you want is pail. this thread is made of bucket.
Kryozerkia
20-10-2007, 18:17
The government already sponsors the suicide of smokers by keeping tobacco legal while collecting billions in taxes. It keeps alcohol legal and reaps the benefit of the revenue generating nature of it.

Yet it insists on the monetary sink-hole that is the war on drugs.

Yes hard drugs are a bitch on the body.

Yes some drugs can be addictive, but hell, tobacco and alcohol have proven themselves to be far more addictive. We cannot fully dispute whether or not any illegal drug is truly addictive because of the laws governing said drugs that make it illegal.

There is no reason to keep drugs like LSD and Marijuana illegal. In Canada, Salvia Divinorum and Cat Nip are perfectly legal (and are consumed similar to Marijuana, though Salvia is best smoked).

Salvia (or Diviner's Sage) is smoked like pot. Yet it produces an instant very elevated state that can be a frightening experience for those unprepared for the effects.

Cat Nip acts very similar to pot. It can be consumed in the same fashion as pot yet it doesn't produce the same 'dude I'm so fucking stoned' effect.

Yet both are perfectly legal.

It makes me wonder why marijuana is illegal.

Civilization did not fall to its knees in the Netherlands with the legalisation of marijuana. Small quantities are legal and it's legal to buy it. Selling is not permitted but police look the other way, while society functions.

I remember being in a coffee shop at night in Amsterdam and thinking, 'this place is crowded, yet I can still hear the music and I'm able to talk without screaming at the top of my lungs. If this was a pub, there'd be loud, rowdy assholes everywhere. People get louder and more obnoxious when they drink.'

If we consider all the stuff that's bad for us that's legal, it really makes one wonder why marijuana isn't? There are plenty of people who don't consume what's bad for the human body. There are people who can't get enough.

As adults we can make our own choices.

By making marijuana (and LSD) legal, we take away the biggest waste of police time, battling the black market for those two goods. Of course, there are other drugs that should be legalised but baby steps first. :)
Isidoor
20-10-2007, 18:54
a few days ago I attended a lecture by a criminologist about drugs. He told us that most illegal drugs are stigmatized and people perceive it as a way larger problem than it is in reality. This is mostly because people only see the problem-cases, not the "normal" users. He also argued for legalization (of all drugs) because that way everything could be monitored and controlled (like alcohol).
I agreed, unfortunately the new government wants to act tougher on drug-users (despite of what specialists say)
Kryozerkia
20-10-2007, 21:52
a few days ago I attended a lecture by a criminologist about drugs. He told us that most illegal drugs are stigmatized and people perceive it as a way larger problem than it is in reality. This is mostly because people only see the problem-cases, not the "normal" users. He also argued for legalization (of all drugs) because that way everything could be monitored and controlled (like alcohol).
I agreed, unfortunately the new government wants to act tougher on drug-users (despite of what specialists say)

Wow, someone in law enforcement who is on the ball. Impressive.

I find it refreshing when they too can admit when the law is non-justifiable given certain conditions that exist because of said law.
Free United States
20-10-2007, 22:00
I think those posting for drug legalization should read "Confidential Confessions" no. 3 by Reiko Momochi. It's fictional, but these things do happen...
Kahanistan
20-10-2007, 23:56
The NSG forum will not disagree with you; here you're preaching to the choir, those who have already converted. It is people in the DEA, the FBI, local police officers, and judges who have to be converted. (A converted senator will not vote for repeal for fear of being labeled soft on drugs.)
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 00:47
The war on drugs is doing the same thing that prohibition did,it created a general disrespect for the law(Hey drug dealers get away with it all the time,that means that we probably wont get caught shoplifting!)

Quite right! In my country (just as in many countries which aren't the US) drug laws are enforced with a lot of discretion. It's unusual for a first offender to go to jail for possessing any drug. Even quite large quantities of marijuana can be ignored by police as 'personal supply.'

It's stupid to have laws which are not enforced, for exactly the reason you just gave. Well said.

Jails are getting overcrowded with people who have tried drugs just once and many polititions have admitted to have used drugs when they were younger.
I have put in my opinon and please try to civil even though this is a touchy topic.

The bolded bit just has to be wrong.

Don't forget the strong argument that making the drug trade illegal makes it untaxable AND a source of money for organized crime. That was called racketeering in the context of prohibition.
Intangelon
21-10-2007, 00:47
The OP is just now figuring this out? Well, better awake late than sleeping forever, I guess.
Tech-gnosis
21-10-2007, 00:50
Increasing the amount of laws increases the amount of crime and vice-versa. Not terribly surprising.

So? If we get rid of all laws no crimes will be committed. Should we the get rid of all laws?

Yet strangely enough many of you think banning guns is the way to go

Your point? I would think that all posters on NSG agree that child pornography and child prostitution should remain illegal even though this gives criminals another source of income and leads to increased law enforcement costs.

I agree that the war on drugs is stupid, but that hardly makes up for faulty reasoning on why it is wrong.

Some better arguments are that drug use isn't a bad thing, that its a bad thing but we shouldn't prohibit it because we value liberty(including the liberty to be stupid), and that drugs are bad but the costs of prohibiting them far outweigh the benefits.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 01:02
*snip, totally agree*

As adults we can make our own choices.

By making marijuana (and LSD) legal, we take away the biggest waste of police time, battling the black market for those two goods. Of course, there are other drugs that should be legalised but baby steps first. :)

The baby step is marijuana. It has negative impacts on users, but I'm pretty sure increased pot-smoking will substitute for some alcohol-drinking, making it fairly neutral in health terms. A clear win if you take out alcohol-related assaults and drink-driving.

LSD though. The health downside pretty much amounts to mental illness, and with the stigma attached to that ... no. Trying to omnibus the legalization of that onto the legalization of pot makes the baby step a bit too big.

Of course I'm in favour of legalizing all drugs. The only crime would be to drug someone else without their informed consent. But if we're talking steps towards legalization, let's just go with marijuana for now.
Third Spanish States
21-10-2007, 01:03
So? If we get rid of all laws no crimes will be committed. Should we the get rid of all laws?

A classic example of reductio ad absurdum

Should I remind you of Al Capone and the 20s in US? And how such prohibition did little to reduce the consumption of alcohol to the point it was lifted? Alcohol also is a drug and history proved that forbidding won't solve the problem.
New Limacon
21-10-2007, 01:14
I miss the War on Drugs. Now with the War on Terror, we're fighting a noun that actually bites back; it's not as much fun.

I mostly agree with the OP, although I wouldn't support the legalization of all currently illegal drugs. But if marijuana were sold the way alcohol is, in special ABC stores that are heavily regulated by the government, I don't see how it would be worse than legalizing alcohol itself.
Others (heroin, cocaine, ecstacy) are truly dangerous, and I see no reason why they should ever be legalized.
Sinnland
21-10-2007, 01:24
Anyone who has ever taken aspirin should have clicked the "Yes, and I use drugs" option.

Calling something bad because it is a "drug" is asinine; besides, pharmaceutical drugs are, on the whole, vastly more powerful than the natural drugs such as (natural) coca, LSD found in ergot or morning glory, DMT produced naturally in the brain or found in numerous plants, psilocybin mushrooms, or mescalin cacti. Pharmaceutical drugs cause more deaths every year than all the other illegal drugs combined.
Sinnland
21-10-2007, 01:26
By the way, ecstasy (3,4-methyldeoxymethamphetamine AKA MDMA) is not dangerous. The study done to show that it was has been retracted for quite a while; it measured the effects of methpamphetamine, not MDMA, and in extremely high doses at that.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 01:27
I agree with the OP completely, except, the war on drugs should just be called Drug Prohibition. I really hate it when politicians use the word WAR when they talk about simple domestic policies. The war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on terrorism. Like if we just through enough money and soldiers around we can defeat the problem. Why do most Americans like that word? So wrong. :confused:
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 01:28
I miss the War on Drugs. Now with the War on Terror, we're fighting a noun that actually bites back; it's not as much fun.

:p ... :confused: ... :D
New Limacon
21-10-2007, 01:33
By the way, ecstasy (3,4-methyldeoxymethamphetamine AKA MDMA) is not dangerous. The study done to show that it was has been retracted for quite a while; it measured the effects of methpamphetamine, not MDMA, and in extremely high doses at that.

There's a reason it's an illegal drug. But you're right, it isn't as dangerous as it is made out to be, and much of the danger rests in the way it is cut. If it were legalized, that risk would be removed, but I still wouldn't want to see that.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 01:36
I agree with the OP completely, except, the war on drugs should just be called Drug Prohibition. I really hate it when politicians use the word WAR when they talk about simple domestic policies. The war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on terrorism. Like if we just through enough money and soldiers around we can defeat the problem. Why do most Americans like that word? So wrong. :confused:

The presumption you make is that politicians coin phrases like "war on poverty" because Americans like the word war.

Ugh. It's horrible to think about isn't it? Government deciding to rid the country of some perceived evil. Declaring war on it as if it were a separate country.
Vectrova
21-10-2007, 01:46
Oh, one of these threads...


The ones where everyone thinks it's okay to do drugs because everyone's doing them anyway, it doesn't make a difference, and nobody should care about their 'habit'... and mysteriously, whenever a statement to the contrary is heard you may as well have committed genocide.


No. People should be productive, not sitting around in a chair doing nothing in the best case scenario. Light up your cannabis? No. Purposefully inhibiting memory isn't that smart of an idea in any other context, yet somehow marijuana is okay?


The war on drugs is doing the same thing that prohibition did,it created a general disrespect for the law(Hey drug dealers get away with it all the time,that means that we probably wont get caught shoplifting!) Now I personaly dont use drugs but i belive that others should have a choice.Now a large amount of people will say"We'll become a nation of drug users and teens will be taking drugs on a regular basis!"but they ALREADY ARE!And we wont become a nation of drug users the same way we didnt become a nation of drunks when prohibition ended.When prohibition ended crime went DOWN and when the war on drugs began crime went UP.Now what does that say?
Day by day because of the insane "war on drugs" our constitutional rights are being trampled.As if freedom of speech didnt take enough of a beating now they have to start on the other rights.If you try drugs you can get put in jail for LIFE whereas you can get away with just 12 years for RAPE.
Jails are getting overcrowded with people who have tried drugs just once and many polititions have admitted to have used drugs when they were younger.
I have put in my opinon and please try to civil even though this is a touchy topic.


Where to start...

Okay, let's try this. Replace the drug-themed words with something like murder. Yeah, argument doesn't sound so solid now, does it? Sad part is that drugs like heroin can lead to murder through multiple means, and just because it's common doesn't make it right. Don't fall for that logical fallacy, please.


Technically, prohibition was ended purely because of the profit to be had in taxes and how the government didn't want to be subverted by mobsters. Now look what happened, with all these cases of drunk driving, physical abuse while intoxicated... the list goes on, I'm sure. Again - just because it's common doesn't make it right. Alcohol should still be banned, but people are too weak to do without.

As far as crime goes, the problem lies with the people. If the drug was never available, there would be no crime. If the drug is widely available, there will be more crime due to fighting over getting more of the drug of choice, domestic abuse over drug usage, and such lovely and desirable things.


Freedom of Speech never took too much of a hit if memory serves. The Constitution is still enforced, and I fail to see how anything in it refers to drug use of any kind.

The rape is... odd. I've never heard of a person sentenced to just 12 years for rape unless the prosecutor didn't do their job right or the detectives failed to gather enough evidence. And even if such cases exist, there are also cases of more severe sentencing I'm sure.

Jail. The stigma of solving it is that nobody wants to be the guy to kill the prisoner, yet life in prison is the same damn thing; it just makes everyone feel nice and cheery that they didn't cause an obvious death. That is why prisons fill up, not because of the drug arrests. For politicians I say again: just because it's common doesn't make it right.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 01:57
Oh, one of these threads...


The ones where everyone thinks it's okay to do drugs because everyone's doing them anyway, it doesn't make a difference, and nobody should care about their 'habit'... and mysteriously, whenever a statement to the contrary is heard you may as well have committed genocide.

Hh-hem. Are you accusing the actual posters to the thread of doing drugs?

That would be more like suicide...

No. People should be productive, not sitting around in a chair doing nothing in the best case scenario.

Is this something you would advocate enforcing by law? How about on Sundays? :eek:

Just so we can get this straight: you agree with current law? Do you want it made more strict, or enforced more harshly?

I'm not trying to stop you debating the OP. That one needs a good thrashing ... just a bit unclear what your own position is, apart from strongly anti-legalization.
Vectrova
21-10-2007, 02:03
Hh-hem. Are you accusing the actual posters to the thread of doing drugs?

That would be more like suicide...

I've seen people say they 'do drugs recreationally' several times in these threads. I won't specify who as I don't remember.



Is this something you would advocate enforcing by law? How about on Sundays? :eek:

Please do not confuse the issue - I denounce drugs, not relaxation on 'off' days and weekends. That is perfectly acceptable; I'm not an extremist.

Just so we can get this straight: you agree with current law? Do you want it made more strict, or enforced more harshly?

Ultimately, I would wish to see any and all of the usual drug suspects (Heroin, LSD, MDMA, Cocaine, etc.) banned and harshly enforced, but I know this is extremely unlikely to happen if ever.

I'm not trying to stop you debating the OP. That one needs a good thrashing ... just a bit unclear what your own position is, apart from strongly anti-legalization.

I'm glad you asked me instead of automatically attaching a label. Thank you. :)
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 02:04
snip*

Drugs are extremely counterproductive to a healthy society.

That said, it's ridiculous to try to stop people form taking them. It costs too much money. We could be making money, and lightening the tax burden by having the government sell them.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 02:27
Drugs are extremely counterproductive to a healthy society.


I disagree. After I work an 8 or 9 hour shift at my job, nothing helps me relax better than a glass of wine. Thats pretty much why I do drugs. They work, its that simple.
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 02:35
I disagree. After I work an 8 or 9 hour shift at my job, nothing helps me relax better than a glass of wine. Thats pretty much why I do drugs. They work, its that simple.

I doubt alcohol increases productivity. That is why I refrain from it.
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 02:35
I've seen people say they 'do drugs recreationally' several times in these threads. I won't specify who as I don't remember.

What I meant was "nice way to start a post", but with irony.

Please do not confuse the issue - I denounce drugs, not relaxation on 'off' days and weekends. That is perfectly acceptable; I'm not an extremist.

I was just trying to distinguish what you thought was desirable, from what you want strictly enforced by law.


Ultimately, I would wish to see any and all of the usual drug suspects (Heroin, LSD, MDMA, Cocaine, etc.) banned and harshly enforced, but I know this is extremely unlikely to happen if ever.

Seems to be going the other way, in fact.

I'm glad you asked me instead of automatically attaching a label. Thank you. :)

:) We don't use labels any more. You have been microchipped.
Vectrova
21-10-2007, 02:53
What I meant was "nice way to start a post", but with irony.

Ah, I see. My iron detector is on the fritz again, then.

I was just trying to distinguish what you thought was desirable, from what you want strictly enforced by law.

Understandable.



Seems to be going the other way, in fact.

I know. I'd feel worse about it, but I've pretty much resigned myself to fighting for a lost cause.



:) We don't use labels any more. You have been microchipped.

Seriously!? :eek:
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 02:54
I doubt alcohol increases productivity. That is why I refrain from it.

Quite right. A nice oil-bath, on the other hand ...
Kryozerkia
21-10-2007, 02:56
The baby step is marijuana. It has negative impacts on users, but I'm pretty sure increased pot-smoking will substitute for some alcohol-drinking, making it fairly neutral in health terms. A clear win if you take out alcohol-related assaults and drink-driving.

LSD though. The health downside pretty much amounts to mental illness, and with the stigma attached to that ... no. Trying to omnibus the legalization of that onto the legalization of pot makes the baby step a bit too big.

Of course I'm in favour of legalizing all drugs. The only crime would be to drug someone else without their informed consent. But if we're talking steps towards legalization, let's just go with marijuana for now.

While pot use may increase with legislation, as was proven with the experiment in Netherlands, the increase wasn't as great as was expected. That doesn't mean there wasn't an increase.

As for LSD, it may act as a hallucinogenic but it doesn't amount to mental illness. The affects are more visual and limited to the duration of the trip.

This doesn't mean that LSD is perfect. People have been known to have bad trips while on LSD, with the effects amounting to something similar to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Likewise with any pre-existing disposition where the user is susceptible to mental psychosis due to genetic influences.

This is in effect similar to marijuana and psychosis. The condition is only triggered if the person would have experienced it even without the aid of the drug.

Other than that, LSD is not any where as hard as other drugs. Psychosis as a side effect is extremely rare as it is with Marijuana.

LSD is indeed a chemical drug. We can thank Swiss chemist Dr. Albert Hofman for this lovely addition.

LSD has been used in government experiments, notably with the CIA during the Cold War for interrogation and mind control.

It's also been used for the treatment of cluster headaches.

Interesting that the government wants both illegal, especially considering that in 1974 the National Health department is the US conducted a study in Virginia hoping to prove that Marijuana destroyed the immune system. Instead they found that the psychoactive ingredient in Marijuana, THC attacked the tumours in lung and breast cancer.

Pot Shrinks Tumours (http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/)

Remember that recent marijuana study? The one that suggested there is new evidence that marijuana can cause mental ill-ness. The same week that study was released, a subsequent study released attributed the rate of mental illness of people with their dominate hand and found that left-handed people were in a greater position to be afflicted with psychosis. (are we going to outlaw left-handedness now? ;))

There are plenty of negative elements to both; there are plenty of benefits with both.

There is no justification to keep either illegal. Nor with other drugs though the harder ones should require stricter use rules.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 03:03
I doubt alcohol increases productivity. That is why I refrain from it.

If I'm not working and I need to get rid of stress and sleep well, then alcohol works better than nightquil(well actually nightquil is mostly alcohol). I also use caffeine every morning to wake up better and get more out of my day. I believe that one can lead a very healthy and productive life with drugs, be it tylenol or marijuana. In fact, I get more out of life because I use drugs.

Of course, people who steal televisions and use the money to go on meth binges are not living better lives through drug use. You need to have some responsibility. But yeah, most drugs are good for people and let them achieve more than they could on their own.
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 03:12
If I'm not working and I need to get rid of stress and sleep well, then alcohol works better than nightquil(well actually nightquil is mostly alcohol). I also use caffeine every morning to wake up better and get more out of my day. I believe that one can lead a very healthy and productive life with drugs, be it tylenol or marijuana. In fact, I get more out of life because I use drugs.

I doubt the majority uses drugs as you do. They're generally employed in things such as "cocktail parties".

Of course, people who steal televisions and use the money to go on meth binges are not living better lives through drug use.

Television lowers productivity. Naturally I don't posses one.

You need to have some responsibility. But yeah, most drugs are good for people and let them achieve more than they could on their own.

Which is why I employ coffee and tea.
Dryks Legacy
21-10-2007, 03:17
So? If we get rid of all laws no crimes will be committed. Should we the get rid of all laws?

Technically it would yes. But that's still a stupid idea ;)
Vectrova
21-10-2007, 03:19
Wait, hold it.

Parkus Empire, if you don't have things that lower productivity, why do you post here?
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 03:23
Wait, hold it.

Parkus Empire, if you don't have things that lower productivity, why do you post here?

Posting here forces me to think. I rarely do that. Ergo, it ups productivity. ;)
Vectrova
21-10-2007, 03:26
Posting here forces me to think. I rarely do that. Ergo, it ups productivity. ;)

Ah, I see. With that minor detail taken care of, I can now proudly state that you are my hero.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 03:48
I doubt the majority uses drugs as you do.

Yeah your totally right. When was the last time someone popped open a cold beer to relax? Oktoberfest anyone?
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 03:51
While pot use may increase with legislation, as was proven with the experiment in Netherlands, the increase wasn't as great as was expected. That doesn't mean there wasn't an increase.

As for LSD, it may act as a hallucinogenic but it doesn't amount to mental illness. The affects are more visual and limited to the duration of the trip.

This doesn't mean that LSD is perfect. People have been known to have bad trips while on LSD, with the effects amounting to something similar to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Likewise with any pre-existing disposition where the user is susceptible to mental psychosis due to genetic influences.

I wasn't saying I thought the risks were significant. A relatively few people freaking out on LSD have produced a bad perception among those who don't know much about the drug. The first word they associate with LSD is "bad trip."

And a bad trip is indeed a bad thing. Anything from a waste of a day to a mini-depression comparable to getting the flu. Definitely bad for productivity ...

If LSD is taken under the right conditions, bad trips are almost impossible. Some people, I believe, should never take the stuff, but of course it's their decision.


This is in effect similar to marijuana and psychosis. The condition is only triggered if the person would have experienced it even without the aid of the drug.

I'm not sure I accept that. The effects of LSD are very different from those of marijuana. The user is aware of a very different effect on their mind. It would seem obvious that when those effects get out of hand, different outcomes ensue, at some stage becoming diagnosable mental illness.

I'm familiar with what you're saying, as it applies to marijuana. Care to show how it applies to LSD ?

Other than that, LSD is not any where as hard as other drugs. Psychosis as a side effect is extremely rare as it is with Marijuana.

LSD is indeed a chemical drug. We can thank Swiss chemist Dr. Albert Hofman for this lovely addition.

LSD has been used in government experiments, notably with the CIA during the Cold War for interrogation and mind control.

Anything the CIA uses for mind control must be pretty safe :eek:
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 03:54
Yeah your totally right. When was the last time someone popped open a cold beer to relax? Oktoberfest anyone?

I do enjoy cold beer. Of course it's non-alcoholic....
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 03:55
Ah, I see. With that minor detail taken care of, I can now proudly state that you are my hero.

Indeed? I should be thankful.
Soviet Houston
21-10-2007, 03:58
This thread is made of something that rhymes with quail
and tail
and stale
and pale
and mail
and jail
and grail
and braille
............what's the word?

The word is "fail". And it's made of fail because the OP, along with an estimated eight other people on planet Earth, apparently thinks illegal, habit-forming narcotics are a good thing.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 04:04
I do enjoy cold beer. Of course it's non-alcoholic....

As one free-minded individual to another, I tolerate your lifestyle, however I would like to take this opportunity to call you a faggot. Grow a pair and live a little. :p
Nobel Hobos
21-10-2007, 04:05
The word is "fail". And it's made of fail because the OP, along with an estimated eight other people on planet Earth, apparently thinks illegal, habit-forming narcotics are a good thing.

Yeah, NSG is like the TARDIS, bigger on the inside than on the outside.
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 04:06
As one free-minded individual to another, I tolerate your lifestyle, however I would like to take this opportunity to call you a faggot. Grow a pair and live a little. :p

I live little. One day my good friend Death will invite me over for tea, and then I'll live naught.
Soyut
21-10-2007, 04:41
I live little. One day my good friend Death will invite me over for tea, and then I'll live naught.

You know, you should try some reefer. You should really find out if its not right for you, because right now you don't know. It couldn't harm you physically in any way.
The Parkus Empire
21-10-2007, 05:01
You know, you should try some reefer. You should really find out if its not right for you, because right now you don't know. It couldn't harm you physically in any way.

"Right" for me? It seems utterly pointless.

It is true there is no physical harm if it's ingested. Smoking it would harm your lungs though.