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Yes, I know that some people will be offended as soon as they read this post's subject. However, I am trying to make this as neutral a poll as I can.

Yeah, yeah, poll goes up in a moment.

They're hurting their cause.

They're hurting their cause.

but their cause might be to insult Christianity and chase people away from Christianity... in which they won't be hurting their cause.

Baptism is definitely a puppet, but never having seen anything by Brazil, I wouldn't know about him.

What the hell are we talking about?

Brazil, where hearts were entertaining June, we stood beneath an amber moon, and whispered "this can't be serious"...

No effect.
Maybe if they were real...

As a Christian, I have to say they are making it worse.

I fully suspect RB is a puppet, and IB is probably one too. Thus, no change.

Neither changed it.

Neither of them (if indeed they are 2 distinct people) offers anything other than one dimensional dogma.

For a while I hoped that Red Baptism's posts might be the output some kind of script, with the inputs being a user-selected slice of the previous posts in a thread but, alas!, my hopes were dashed by the most recent thread.

... out of curiousity... who here on NSG, in your opinion, exemplifies their Religion.

be it Christian, Islam, Bahai, FSM, IPU, or whatever....

For Christianity... Smunkee.

I exemplify Dragon worship. :Þ

Neither changed it at all.

They're just trolls.

Pizza!!!!

I've been lucky enough to live a life that has had me meet so many different people that I know to treat every individual as an individual.

They're just trolls.

I second that.

Their dedication is cool, but they are a bit crazy, like a lot of people here...

Neither is any more real than MKULTRA/TRA/His Mighty Paranoid Majesty I'm So Far Left I'm Actually on the Right.
They are amusing sometimes, though.

There Are No Black People in China

There Are No Black People in China

Are you speaking as a historian there?

Are you speaking as a historian there?

Demonstrating the relevance of a thread about trolls.

I like RBs version of christianity. It's refreshingly honest. He's sort of like an online evangelical hutterite.

I would say neither changed my view of Christianity... I have never read brazil, though I am now curious, and RB kinda made me laugh... though I don't agree with him. mmmm... troll snacks.

... out of curiousity... who here on NSG, in your opinion, exemplifies their Religion.

be it Christian, Islam, Bahai, FSM, IPU, or whatever....

For Christianity... Smunkee.

Errr.. you haven't spoken to her lately. She has gone atheist.

I am rolling around laughing right now... I just noticed Red got one vote as the only improver. I SO wish it were a public poll, because Red has to have voted for himself!

Funniest will be if he doesn't get a second. Oh wait, he just made a puppet over in the other thread. So he might get a second. Oh well, still funny.

Errr.. you haven't spoken to her lately. She has gone atheist.

I read the thread. ;)

(something)

D'jew get baleeted?

I read the thread. ;)

Of course you did, how silly of me. :p

In that case, I agree with you 100%! :D

They're just trolls.

Most likely. But if a radical secularist were to do the same thing, would we have the same negativity towards him?

I did not change my own opinion of Christianity because of myself (obviously), and neither did Imperial Brazil. Only the Lord Jesus Christ through his Merciful Salvation and that of his Elect have swayed my path through the dangers of sin and temptation.

I did not change my own opinion of Christianity because of myself (obviously), and neither did Imperial Brazil. Only the Lord Jesus Christ through his Merciful Salvation and that of his Elect have swayed my path through the dangers of sin and temptation.

So I take it you are the lone vote on the poll regarding "red baptism has improved it?

MMMM!!!!

MMMM!!!!
Delicious?

So I take it you are the lone vote on the poll regarding "red baptism has improved it?

MMMM!!!!

No, I voted neither, since it doesn't matter to me. I only care to be in God's Good Graces. Do you?

No, I voted neither, since it doesn't matter to me. I only care to be in God's Good Graces. Do you?

In the Gods good graces perhaps, but not one God worshiped out of fear.

In the Gods good graces perhaps, but not one God worshiped out of fear.

There is only One True God. And He is the master of your fate. There can be nothing more important than to stay on His good side.

There is only One True God. And He is the master of your fate. There can be nothing more important than to stay on His good side.


Oh really? I know of several Gods and Goddesses. They were worshiped long before the Christian God, and will be worshiped long after.

There is only One True God. And He is the master of your fate. There can be nothing more important than to stay on His good side.

To pull a famous quote whose utterer (or whatever...) I forgot:

Today's religion is tomorrow's mythology.

How much anyone wants to bet RB was the one who voted for himself?

How much anyone wants to bet RB was the one who voted for himself?
Nineteen and a half bananas.

There is only One True God. And He is the master of your fate. There can be nothing more important than to stay on His good side.

You are very close to the truth... you're only off by one.

Most likely. But if a radical secularist were to do the same thing, would we have the same negativity towards him?

More, actually. He's bloody annoying.

Brazil, where hearts were entertaining June, we stood beneath an amber moon, and whispered "this can't be serious"...You win thread. Great tune too :)

You are very close to the truth... you're only off by one.

There are not two gods. There is only one.

Oh really? I know of several Gods and Goddesses. They were worshiped long before the Christian God, and will be worshiped long after.

The Christian God has been worshipped since the beginning of time, and will be forever. There is no one more timeless than He, nor more powerful. Have you accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.

They're both just trolls.

I highly doubt the person behind the screen really shares the beliefs he types. They're probably just bored and looking for reactions. Unless they came straight out of Fred Phelps' church. (in which case we should hunt them down and kill them :P)

There are not two gods. There is only one.





You're getting colder....

You're getting colder....

There are thousands of gods. We are their creators.

The Christian God has been worshipped since the beginning of time,
Not according to the Bible.

... out of curiousity... who here on NSG, in your opinion, exemplifies their Religion.

be it Christian, Islam, Bahai, FSM, IPU, or whatever....

For Christianity... Smunkee.
Smunkee exemplifies Christianity? How do you figure that?

There are not two gods. There is only one.



The Christian God has been worshipped since the beginning of time, and will be forever. There is no one more timeless than He, nor more powerful. Have you accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.

On sentence 1: You fail once again in math! Learn to subtract!

On sentence 2: Really....Read the Epic of Gilgamesh and then the Christian Book of Genesis. You'll find it...interesting.

Oh, and to destroy your future argument, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written thousands of years before the Book of Genesis.

Who is Imperial Brazil?

Smunkee exemplifies Christianity? How do you figure that?

The question is, how do you not figure that?

There is only One True God. And He is the master of your fate. There can be nothing more important than to stay on His good side.
You are very close to the truth... you're only off by one.There are not two gods. There is only one.
You're getting colder....

Oh... My.... :(

Smunkee exemplifies Christianity? How do you figure that?

because of all the people with whom I discussed the Religion of Christianity, Smunkee tops the list of those I wouldn't mind being locked in a room for a forced Discussion of Christianity.

and there are other reasons... especially when I ask her for advice and such. ;)

There are not two gods. There is only one.



The Christian God has been worshipped since the beginning of time, and will be forever. There is no one more timeless than He, nor more powerful. Have you accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.

So god has been worshiped for 9 billion plus years? He has been worshiped for the 4.5 billion years earth has been around? He as been worshiped ever since mankind evolved?

Why are there other religions then? Why did Christianity only start about 2000 years ago? Why wasn't everyone Christian before or after then?

Christianity is just another religion, it may or may not be the true one. Hell, all of them could, or none of them could be true. I believe in the Gods and Goddesses of my forbears, as that is the religion most in tune with my beliefs and spirit.

The question is, how do you not figure that?
No, my question still stands. You don't answer a question with a question. Besides, I did ask Junii. :)

So god has been worshiped for 9 billion plus years? He has been worshiped for the 4.5 billion years earth has been around? He as been worshiped ever since mankind evolved?

Why are there other religions then? Why did Christianity only start about 2000 years ago? Why wasn't everyone Christian before or after then?

Christianity is just another religion, it may or may not be the true one. Hell, all of them could, or none of them could be true. I believe in the Gods and Goddesses of my forbears, as that is the religion most in tune with my beliefs and spirit.

He's talking about this. According to this Jesus existed before the creation of the Universe (all things were made through him...)

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

And this one, where Jesus says of himself that he existed before he was born to Mary...
John 8
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?" 54Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.' 55But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." 57So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" 58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

They provide lulz and make for fun entertainment, though it rather exemplifies the problem with people believing in such nonsense.

because of all the people with whom I discussed the Religion of Christianity, Smunkee tops the list of those I wouldn't mind being locked in a room for a forced Discussion of Christianity.

and there are other reasons... especially when I ask her for advice and such. ;)
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think it is somewhat dangerous putting anyone on a pedestal, unless they have the humility to go along with it. Christianity to me is far more than going to church once a week and reading words out of a book. It is putting those words to work in our everyday lives. "Faith without works is dead". It is about spirituality and faith. It is about hope and love. It is about gratitude. It is about peace and serenity and prayer. It is about God's gift to mankind.

Here are some passages by Jocabia that reflect that "Christian" attitude:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12457875&postcount=437

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12457712&postcount=436

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12456654&postcount=395

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8671397&postcount=355

And even though I have had snippy exchanges with this man, he ain't heavy, he's my brother. :)

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think it is somewhat dangerous putting anyone on a pedestal, unless they have the humility to go along with it. Christianity to me is far more than going to church once a week and reading words out of a book. It is putting those words to work in our everyday lives. "Faith without works is dead". It is about spirituality and faith. It is about hope and love. It is about gratitude. It is about peace and serenity and prayer. It is about God's gift to mankind.

Here are some passages by Jocabia that reflect that "Christian" attitude:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12457875&postcount=437

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12457712&postcount=436

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12456654&postcount=395

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8671397&postcount=355

And even though I have had snippy exchanges with this man, he ain't heavy, he's my brother. :)

except one,
saying someone is a great example (yes, I use the word exemplifies) for their Religion is not "Putting them on a Pedistal."

two,
I've said that there is a list of people of whom I like to discuss religion and that Smunkee tops that list.

three,
their actions cannot be proven true or false on a forum. thus how many times someone "goes to Church" or "how much they give to charity" doesn't enter into it here, but what is shown is there Personality.

as for spirituality, faith, hope, love, gratitude, peace, and serenity, I see that in a lot of posters... professed Christians and otherwise. and I see the opposite also... professed Christians and otherwise.

Brazil, where hearts were entertaining June, we stood beneath an amber moon, and whispered "this can't be serious"...

*Inveterately sambas across the room*

Most likely. But if a radical secularist were to do the same thing, would we have the same negativity towards him?

Bet on it. From me, at least, I can't speak for "we". Unenlightened radicalism sets my teeth on edge.

There are not two gods. There is only one.


Swing and a miss.

except one,
saying someone is a great example (yes, I use the word exemplifies) for their Religion is not "Putting them on a Pedistal."

two,
I've said that there is a list of people of whom I like to discuss religion and that Smunkee tops that list.

three,
their actions cannot be proven true or false on a forum. thus how many times someone "goes to Church" or "how much they give to charity" doesn't enter into it here, but what is shown is there Personality.

as for spirituality, faith, hope, love, gratitude, peace, and serenity, I see that in a lot of posters... professed Christians and otherwise. and I see the opposite also... professed Christians and otherwise.
I understand but one must be wary of false prophets?

I understand but one must be wary of false prophets?

LOL! warning taken to heart. ;)

and if you read Red Baptism's other thread about Captialism and Homosexuality... you would be assured that I don't consider anyone here a prophet. :p

There are not two gods. There is only one.
God was a dream of good government. We will have our god, and will make it with our own hands.

(Whoever knows what I'm referencing kicks ass.)

God was a dream of good government. We will have our god, and will make it with our own hands.

(Whoever knows what I'm referencing kicks ass.)

... Deus Ex?

God was a dream of good government. We will have our god, and will make it with our own hands.

(Whoever knows what I'm referencing kicks ass.)

That sounds like Bioshock.

God was a dream of good government. We will have our god, and will make it with our own hands.

(Whoever knows what I'm referencing kicks ass.)

Deus Ex.

And Google and Wikipedia are your friends!

No, my question still stands. You don't answer a question with a question. Besides, I did ask Junii. :)

Names sound the same. Besides, you're avoiding the question.

For Christianity... Smunkee.

Except Smunk is an atheist........

Except Smunk is an atheist........

Why did she change her mind?

Perhaps I have missed the worst of them, because they don't seem as bad as some of the fanatics NS has had in the past. Noticeable, but not memorable.

Why did she change her mind?Moods...

She claims that she doesn't want to be associated with homophobes, so she changed from christian fundamentalist to atheist. That is, she claims she did. However, she did not change her opinions.

Names sound the same. Besides, you're avoiding the question.
I was not avoiding the question at all. My question was in itself an observation that IMHO I don't find said person as "exemplifying" Christianity at all. Some people are so transparent that I can see right through them and their BS. All I can do is pray for said individuals and sincerely hope that they can right size themselves before their lives become totally unmanageable.

I did ask Junii and he gave his opinion, and while I don't agree with his opinion, that doesn't make it right or wrong.

Except Smunk is an atheist........
Whoa!! I have never seen Smunk take a total atheist slant. She made this declaration?

Whoa!! I have never seen Smunk take a total atheist slant. She made this declaration?

Yup. I forgot what thread though.

Moods...

She claims that she doesn't want to be associated with homophobes, so she changed from christian fundamentalist to atheist. That is, she claims she did. However, she did not change her opinions.

quit acting like you know anything.

I wouldn't know, I don't pay attention to either of them.

I was not avoiding the question at all. My question was in itself an observation that IMHO I don't find said person as "exemplifying" Christianity at all. Some people are so transparent that I can see right through them and their BS. All I can do is pray for said individuals and sincerely hope that they can right size themselves before their lives become totally unmanageable.

I did ask Junii and he gave his opinion, and while I don't agree with his opinion, that doesn't make it right or wrong. *nods* and all I asked for was opinions. thus Canuck can hold his opinions about what is right and wrong and so can I.

Yup. I forgot what thread though.
the "So one of my mates is gay (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540592)" thread. someone hinted that all Catholics/Christians feel that Homosexuality can/should be exorcised. and she just got tired of being associated with homophobes when she (and alot of Christians) isn't.

quit acting like you know anything.

... but then, he won't post anything.

wait... is that a bad thing?

They haven't changed my opinion one way or the other because they don't worship Christ. They worship His fan clubs.

... but then, he won't post anything.

wait... is that a bad thing?

To me no it won't be a bad thing!

... but then, he won't post anything.

wait... is that a bad thing?

No it isn't. :) and that's a gooood thing.

While I chose the "neither changed it" option, I do find that, whenever I read a post or thread by either, I tend more towards atheism.

They are here for our lulz. Besides, everyone knows the only true Lord and Saviour is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Except Smunk is an atheist........

:confused: F'reals?

Well, if so, I hope she made the decision for the right reasons.

I was not avoiding the question at all. My question was in itself an observation that IMHO I don't find said person as "exemplifying" Christianity at all. Some people are so transparent that I can see right through them and their BS. All I can do is pray for said individuals and sincerely hope that they can right size themselves before their lives become totally unmanageable.

I did ask Junii and he gave his opinion, and while I don't agree with his opinion, that doesn't make it right or wrong.

Hmph.

:confused: F'reals?

Well, if so, I hope she made the decision for the right reasons.

Yup. Even mailed Jesus back her membership card.

Just so Red Baptism and Imperial Brazil don't feel like they are being unfairly singled out ...

"No effect at all" is pretty much what ANY poster has on the opinions of others. "Made it worse" is not unusual either.

That's a no, then? Ah, wh'ever, I'll just wait till the next time she posts on the subject and then I'll know for sure.

That's a yes. As in yes, f'reals.

That's a yes. As in yes, f'reals.

OK cool, I did a search to make sure. I couldn't tell if you were joking. Hard to tell through text, etc. etc.

*nods* and all I asked for was opinions. thus Canuck can hold his opinions about what is right and wrong and so can I.


the "So one of my mates is gay (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540592)" thread. someone hinted that all Catholics/Christians feel that Homosexuality can/should be exorcised. and she just got tired of being associated with homophobes when she (and alot of Christians) isn't.

Here's the exact post (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13130783&postcount=89).

Here's the exact post (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13130783&postcount=89).

that post was mostly made in jest.

I can't really imagine that anyone's opinions on Christianity were changed by two trolls up on their high horse passing judgement and harrassing and belittling people under the guise of "wanting to save their souls."

I can't really imagine that anyone's opinions on Christianity were changed by two trolls up on their high horse passing judgement and harrassing and belittling people under the guise of "wanting to save their souls."

Considering that 26 people (as of this post anyway) said they either made it worse or improved it... :p

Considering that 26 people (as of this post anyway) said they either made it worse or improved it... :p

That doesn't speak well for any of them. Are people that easily swayed by trolling?

That doesn't speak well for any of them. Are people that easily swayed by trolling?

*shrugs*... guess so... :p

that post was mostly made in jest.

Ah, gotcha. :)

that post was mostly made in jest.
I know that you don't like me and that really doesn't bother me, but I am concerned about you. Although I have tried to help you in the past, I realize that you don't look at it that way. Sometimes we don't want to hear the truth?

At any rate, you have two young children that rely on you for so much, and I pray for you to always be there for them.

Anger, hate, and resentment will not resolve any underlying issues that may be troubling you. As you are probably aware, those feelings can fuel an even graver problem.

Peace.

I know that you don't like me and that really doesn't bother me, but I am concerned about you. Although I have tried to help you in the past, I realize that you don't look at it that way. Sometimes we don't want to hear the truth?

At any rate, you have two young children that rely on you for so much, and I pray for you to always be there for them.

Anger, hate, and resentment will not resolve any underlying issues that may be troubling you. As you are probably aware, those feelings can fuel an even graver problem.

Peace.
I still haven't figured out what the hell is wrong with you. However, you should know that whatever is or is not going on with me should be none of your concern. I can handle things on my own.

I know that you don't like me and that really doesn't bother me, but I am concerned about you. Although I have tried to help you in the past, I realize that you don't look at it that way. Sometimes we don't want to hear the truth?

At any rate, you have two young children that rely on you for so much, and I pray for you to always be there for them.

Anger, hate, and resentment will not resolve any underlying issues that may be troubling you. As you are probably aware, those feelings can fuel an even graver problem.

Peace.

Yes, Smunkee. You must reach out to us, so that we may help you.
[/intrusive creepiness]

I still haven't figured out what the hell is wrong with you. However, you should know that whatever is or is not going on with me should be none of your concern. I can handle things on my own.
Do you always look for the negative in people? For a change, why not try looking for what is right with people? Don't let other people drag you down. Be strong for your kids. They are far more important than a bunch of keyboard hacks.

Here's the exact post (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13130783&postcount=89).Yep. Just her usual superficiality.

Yep. Just her usual superficiality.

I'd ask if this Smunkee-bashing threadjack was really necessary, but IMO, the entire thread was unecessary.

I'd ask if this Smunkee-bashing threadjack was really necessary, but IMO, the entire thread was unecessary.Well, if there can be a Imperial-Brazil-bashing and Red-Baptism-bashing thread... Smunkee is from the same ideological corner as those two.
Poll: How has Smunkeeville changed your view of christianity? Selected option: Made it even worse.
And since I have to bear a lot of bashing for my clear opposition to the abrahamic religions I don't see why a christian fundamentalist like Smunkee should have it any better.

I'd ask if this Smunkee-bashing threadjack was really necessary, but IMO, the entire thread was unecessary.

my fault really, It was an attempt to turn a negative themed thread into a positive one but some people just have to be childish.

Apologies to Smunkee.

my fault really, It was an attempt to turn a negative themed thread into a positive one but some people just have to be childish.


...some people ARE children. ;)

...some people ARE children. ;)Some children are more mature than adults.

Some children are more mature than adults.Yeah, atheist and agnostic children.

Yeah, atheist and agnostic children.Go away. You bore me with your constant trolling.

Go away. You bore me with your constant trolling.Yeah, truths are sometimes hard to accept. Especially when your brain got filled with doctrine at an early age. Just keep praying to that dead body on the cross, but it will not make you a better person.

Well, if there can be a Imperial-Brazil-bashing and Red-Baptism-bashing thread... Smunkee is from the same ideological corner as those two.
Poll: How has Smunkeeville changed your view of christianity? Selected option: Made it even worse.
And since I have to bear a lot of bashing for my clear opposition to the abrahamic religions I don't see why a christian fundamentalist like Smunkee should have it any better.

Dude, shut the fuck up. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Smunkee has talked to many of us elsewhere about this, and it's been a long time coming. She did not simply "shift at random" as some of you think she has. She has been contemplating this shift for years. She finally decided that she could no longer pretend to believe in God anymore and fully went atheistic.

Even if that wasn't the case, she'd still have my support because she's a much better person than you are, UB. She's a wonderful, caring woman who loves her kids and is a far better parent than most Americans. She's a great person and someone I am glad to call my friend, so you can just shut the fuck up.

Dude, shut the fuck up. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Smunkee has talked to many of us elsewhere about this, and it's been a long time coming. She did not simply "shift at random" as some of you think she has. She has been contemplating this shift for years. She finally decided that she could no longer pretend to believe in God anymore and fully went atheistic.

Even if that wasn't the case, she'd still have my support because she's a much better person than you are, UB. She's a wonderful, caring woman who loves her kids and is a far better parent than most Americans. She's a great person and someone I am glad to call my friend, so you can just shut the fuck up.

I have to ask, was this really necessary? Yes, we've discussed this with her at length, offsite, and GMers know it's been a long, difficult decision for her.

Will that really change the opinion of the people who come on here for no better reason than to get some little feeling of superiority amid the vast wasteland of what their lives are?

At best, you shame people who are genuinely concerned. At worst, you do nothing more than make the trolls of NSG chuckle to themselves as they wallow in what little attention you just provided them.

Poll: How has Smunkeeville changed your view of christianity?
Unlike the radicals Smunkee didn't change it and in one or two ways she might have ;) improved it.

I think this thread has run its course.

For the record, let's not transfer the Smunkee-bashing (or anyone else I missed) into any other threads.

Thread closed.