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Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)

So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Am I the only one scared shitless over this? It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)



It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. dont worry, John McCain Prayers will save US. :D
just ask Corneliu ;)

About time my generation got a world war.

I think he was saying it more of a sense that Iran may nuke Israel and things will spiral into a world war rather than the U.S. causing a WWIII. Bush is not known for his speeches, after all.

I think he was saying it more of a sense that Iran may nuke Israel ....Iran is NOT going to bomb Israel (conventional or Nuclear).

unless US and/or Israel attack first.

It means nothing. The reality is that Iran responds to diplomacy (just not the US's) and they are a huge oil trading partner with our biggest trading partners and creditors. Both countries have unpopular lame duck governments.


They've had our number for years, and vice versa. Neither side will be prone to anything more than saber rattling, because there is just not the political capital in either administration to upset the global applecart to the extent a face to face confrontation would involve.

That is not to say that Amadinnerjacket and Bush won't continue to snarl at each other, but it's purely for domestic/regional gain.

No no, Bush is known for his speeches. Adds such a comedic input.

Its inevitable, and we know its going down before Jan. '09.

Given a little context, he's saying that you have a leader who's said that Israel should be destroyed and to allow a leader who's said that to have nuclear weapons is running the danger of allowing someone to start WW3.

He's not saying if Iran gets a nuclear weapon that the USA will start WW3, he's saying that if Iran were to use that weapon to destroy Israel, then WW3 is a likely result.

"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," he said. "So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Full quote.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bush can't run again after this or something right?
A better way to stop WW3 is to make sure no Bush clone ever comes to power.

I promise you that there will be no military action against Iran unless Iran makes a clearly overt action against any US asset or US ally. Heck, they're fighting a proxy war against us right now and we still haven't touched Tehran.

Iran is NOT going to bomb Israel (conventional or Nuclear).

unless US and/or Israel attack first.
What makes you so sure? Didn't the president say he wanted to "wipe Israel of the map.?" Not saying they will, but it is a possibility.

Given a little context, he's saying that you have a leader who's said that Israel should be destroyed and to allow a leader who's said that to have nuclear weapons is running the danger of allowing someone to start WW3.

He's not saying if Iran gets a nuclear weapon that the USA will start WW3, he's saying that if Iran were to use that weapon to destroy Israel, then WW3 is a likely result.



Full quote.
And how many times has Iran invaded Israel or any other country? And how many countries has the USA invaded in the last 8 years alone for various crimes from "harboring terrorists" to "having weapons of mass destruction." I'm pretty sure "possibly having nuclear weapons" would be used as a justifiable reason for all out war.

Didn't the president say he wanted to "wipe Israel of the map.?" No, he did not.

FOX/CNN/AP/etc did.

.. it is a possibility.u want to talk possibilities? My brain tells me: If there is War out of this.. its going to be started by US and/or Israel... NOT by Iran.

what does your brain tells you?

What makes you so sure? Didn't the president say he wanted to "wipe Israel of the map.?" Not saying they will, but it is a possibility.

Apparently it was a mistranslation.

I think it's high time for a revolution eh?

Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)



Am I the only one scared shitless over this? It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

Iran's gotta go, China's gotta go, Putin's gotta go, Myanmar's gotta go, Sudan's gotta go, North Korea's gotta go, Belarus' gotta go.

Name any more Dictatorships if you please...because they all gotta go. GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET DICTATOFAGS!

Iran is NOT going to bomb Israel (conventional or Nuclear).
Well I feel alot safer knowing you have just, with 100% certainty, interpretaded the future thoughts of an unstable, irrational, religious extremist.

Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)



Am I the only one scared shitless over this? It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

Well, Nostrodamus did write that the antichrist was going to come from Iran and that he would start a nuclear war with the US by attacking Israel and nuking Europe.
But he also wrote that when the antichrist rises to power in Iran, the world will turn against America.

Coincidence???

Well, Nostrodamus did write that the antichrist was going to come from Iran and that he would start a nuclear war with the US by attacking Israel and nuking Europe.
But he also wrote that when the antichrist rises to power in Iran, the world will turn against America.

Coincidence???

Putin?

Well, Nostrodamus did write that the antichrist was going to come from Iran and that he would start a nuclear war with the US by attacking Israel and nuking Europe.
But he also wrote that when the antichrist rises to power in Iran, the world will turn against America.

Coincidence???

1. America didn't exist when he said that
2. Iran didn't exist when he said that
3. Nuclear wars didn't exist when he said that
4. Israel didn't exist when he said that. (Israelites maybe, not sure.)
5. The world didn't exist when he said that

hurr hurr :D

Great, at this rate this will all explode, meh, about the time I can get drafted, which they will surely have a draft for WWIII. And OMG, he did actually say it. :eek:

But, I've noticed and read from various places that it seems that Bush and the Iranian President have issues with each other not just nationally, but personally as well. So, maybe in 08-early09 this will cool down............................................................then again it may heat up. *Digs fallout shelter*

Well I feel alot safer knowing you have just, with 100% certainty, interpretaded the future thoughts of an unstable, irrational, religious extremist.I am 110% confident that my predictions are 200% more accurate than yours... ;)

Want to give it a shot?

#1 Who will win the next election in Venezuela?
#2 Who will win the next election in Iran?
#3 Who will win the war in Iraq?
#4 Who will win the war in Afghanistan?
#5 If there is War, who will start Iran or US?

Bring it on, give me your best shot..

Global Thermonuclear War(Because a WW3 would eventually involve ICBMs) is insanity, a lose-lose situation and this oil and warmongering might lead US straight to it unless a political shift happens. I hope China won't get involved in US conflicts.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE

Not the type of future I would like to see, better to exist only in works of fiction.

War never changes... and in the end mankind always loses.

Plus... the Patriot Acts and the subsequent slippery slope that is happening with "terrorism" as a pretext to curb civil liberties.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Well, Nostrodamus did write that the antichrist was going to come from Iran and that he would start a nuclear war with the US by attacking Israel and nuking Europe.
But he also wrote that when the antichrist rises to power in Iran, the world will turn against America.

Coincidence???

He also said that right now, I'd have a cupcake down my pants. And he was clearly mistaken.


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It's a Chocodile. :p

He also said that right now, I'd have a cupcake down my pants. And he was clearly mistaken.


...

It's a Chocodile. :p

Another image I will never be able to get out of my head brought to you by: LG.

Well, Nostrodamus did write that the antichrist was going to come from Iran and that he would start a nuclear war with the US by attacking Israel and nuking Europe.
But he also wrote that when the antichrist rises to power in Iran, the world will turn against America.

Coincidence???Its not a coincidence.. Nostrodamus speaks to Bush :D

http://www.webboi.net/blog/archives/George_Bush_God_told_me.jpg

Why don't we just let Dumbya and Amadingleberry fight it out in a no-holds-barred cage match?

Why don't we just let Dumbya and Amadingleberry fight it out in a no-holds-barred cage match?

Nah. A hell in a cell match would be more entertaining.

Why don't we just let Dumbya and Amadingleberry fight it out in a no-holds-barred cage match?

Thunderdome. :)

Iran is NOT going to bomb Israel (conventional or Nuclear).

unless US and/or Israel attack first.


The scenario I can see that is quite likely is this:

Israel pre-emptive strikes Iran, destroys power plants.
Iran and Arab nations retaliate. (who specifically out of the Arab neighbors is not something I can predict, though Russia is a likely ally, after investing so much money into Iran).
Russia pressures US to not defend Israel, after it has become the aggressor, by pre-empting Iran.

Whether the USA would stay out or not, I really couldn't tell ya.

The scenario I can see that is quite likely is this:

Israel pre-emptive strikes Iran, destroys power plants.
Iran and Arab nations retaliate. (who specifically out of the Arab neighbors is not something I can predict, though Russia is a likely ally, after investing so much money into Iran).
Russia pressures US to not defend Israel, after it has become the aggressor, by pre-empting Iran.

Whether the USA would stay out or not, I really couldn't tell ya.

some problems:

1. The only Arab nation that would support Iran is Syria. The rest have allied with the US against Iran.
2. Russia has a big mouth, but they won't do anything. They're too busy butchering people in Chechnya.
3. The US likely won't get involved but if it did, Russian pressure wouldn't prevent American involvement. Remember Russia is a third world nation now.
But if Russia got involved, there would probably be American involvement.
5. IF there is a war, China would make big bucks off of it.

some problems:

1. The only Arab nation that would support Iran is Syria. The rest have allied with the US against Iran.
2. Russia has a big mouth, but they won't do anything. They're too busy butchering people in Chechnya.
3. The US likely won't get involved but if it did, Russian pressure wouldn't prevent American involvement. Remember Russia is a third world nation now.
But if Russia got involved, there would probably be American involvement.
5. IF there is a war, China would make big bucks off of it.

There are a few situations across the Arab world that would need to happen for Iran to get more support. The current instability in Saudi Arabia (some analysts say) could lead to a revolution there sometime soon. Of course, that's all speculation, and whether that would happen or not is the case. There's also similar speculation within Jordan, and the potential overthrow of the King.

Hatred towards Israel has a tendency to bring about suprising results, as to whom would support a war against Istael (not necessarily to support Iran, but for their own purpose).

Syria is itching for war with Israel, to gain the Golan Heights back, as well as other territories.

Another side note would be the recent alarming cooperation between China and Russia, especially within the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), and their growing influence. of which Russia, China, and Iran are all members of. Just something to take note of. Aggression from Israel could warrant the SCO to put forth it's own pressure towards the United States to stay away from any support of Israel.

There are a few situations across the Arab world that would need to happen for Iran to get more support. The current instability in Saudi Arabia (some analysts say) could lead to a revolution there sometime soon. Of course, that's all speculation, and whether that would happen or not is the case. There's also similar speculation within Jordan, and the potential overthrow of the King.

Hatred towards Israel has a tendency to bring about suprising results, as to whom would support a war against Istael (not necessarily to support Iran, but for their own purpose).

Syria is itching for war with Israel, to gain the Golan Heights back, as well as other territories.

Another side note would be the recent alarming cooperation between China and Russia, especially within the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), and their growing influence. of which Russia, China, and Iran are all members of. Just something to take note of. Aggression from Israel could warrant the SCO to put forth it's own pressure towards the United States to stay away from any support of Israel.

If the SCO which is an economic group, not a military alliance, were to get involved, China would be telling Russia what to do.
But even then, China and Russia both still being relatively third world nation, it would like an African group of nations trying to apply pressure to the US not to invade Serbia or Iraq. It wouldn't have any results.

The British would have better luck at pressuring the US than the SCO would.

If the SCO which is an economic group, not a military alliance, were to get involved, China would be telling Russia what to do.
But even then, China and Russia both still being relatively third world nation, it would like an African group of nations trying to apply pressure to the US not to invade Serbia or Iraq. It wouldn't have any results.

The British would have better luck at pressuring the US than the SCO would.

I wasn't bringing the SCO up, for the sake of comparison between China and Russia vs the United States, but rather their relationship with Iran. An invasion of Iran (or a pre-emptive bombing, in this case) would make the Russian economy suffer even more (if that's even possible), as they've invested much within Iran. Russian protests could potentially lead to the economic bloc to protest, for the sake of the Russian economy (though it's not much to save, really).

What makes you so sure? Didn't the president say he wanted to "wipe Israel of the map.?" Not saying they will, but it is a possibility.
I remember reading from some Muslim interview that the President of Iran is one of those "Second Coming" freaks that all religions seem to have. He things Nuking Israel will bring about the End of the world where Allah send an army to kill all the non-believers or something like that. (Though I'm pretty sure none of the last part is even real.)

Of course, if Iran hits Israel with any sort of missile.

Tehran is Glass.

And if Israel falls and we do nothing, I wouldn't be suprised if DC gets glassed.

Several Israel policy makers have made it clear that if they go down they might just take the world with them.

Thunderdome. :)

With special guest participant, a rabid wolverine on speed!

With special guest participant, a rabid wolverine on speed!

With a small but powerful explosive device strapped to his nutsack. :)

And if Israel falls and we do nothing, I wouldn't be suprised if DC gets glassed.


Israel doesn't have a delivery system capible of reaching the US.

Yay, let's destroy another country for Israel. Go Neocons!

I remember reading from some Muslim interview that the President of Iran is one of those "Second Coming" freaks that all religions seem to have. He things Nuking Israel will bring about the End of the world where Allah send an army to kill all the non-believers or something like that. (Though I'm pretty sure none of the last part is even real.)

Of course, if Iran hits Israel with any sort of missile.

Tehran is Glass.

And if Israel falls and we do nothing, I wouldn't be suprised if DC gets glassed.

Several Israel policy makers have made it clear that if they go down they might just take the world with them.


"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force... We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under."
-- Martin van Crefeld (January 31, 2003; Martin van Crefeld; Professor of Military History at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem)

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force... We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under."
-- Martin van Crefeld (January 31, 2003; Martin van Crefeld; Professor of Military History at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem)

I wonder if anybody told this genius that there isn't a single better way than that to ensure that every single Israeli Jew (and possibly beyond Israel) gets exterminated?

Maybe the anti-missile defense system is to protect us from Israel. :p

What makes you so sure? Didn't the president say he wanted to "wipe Israel of the map.?" Not saying they will, but it is a possibility.

Mistranslations ftl. Thinking of Iran as a 'suicide nation' is ludicrous in the extreme, they're leadership are very rational, despite what Faux tells you to believe.

Mistranslations ftl. Thinking of Iran as a 'suicide nation' is ludicrous in the extreme, they're leadership are very rational, despite what Faux tells you to believe.

It's true. Ahmadinejad is allowed to say just enough to get people riled up at home and in the West and is then shut up; it enables the mullahs to shift attention away from the increasingly deplorable situation in Iran towards various conjectured enemies at home and abroad.

The mullahs want one thing, and that is to remain in power. They've been good at consolidating it because they're rational and good at manipulating public sentiment.

I remember reading from some Muslim interview that the President of Iran is one of those "Second Coming" freaks that all religions seem to have. He things Nuking Israel will bring about the End of the world where Allah send an army to kill all the non-believers or something like that. (Though I'm pretty sure none of the last part is even real.)

Of course, if Iran hits Israel with any sort of missile.

Tehran is Glass.

And if Israel falls and we do nothing, I wouldn't be suprised if DC gets glassed.

Several Israel policy makers have made it clear that if they go down they might just take the world with them.

Samson Option anyone? http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/15/112430.shtml

I highly doubt the US would be on the target list.

Does anyone see the similarities between the Fifth Imam messianism of Iran and the evangelical rapture messianism of the USA? Seriously why are you two at each others throats, is it like a game, whoever wins is the most pious? I think the 'hate' of the conservatives is secretly jealousy and closet admiration, Jesusland and Iran should like have a federation...

He has got to be bluffing. Threatening a WW3 id just plain stupid. Even history tells that the US of A only got into the war midway. Although 9/11 has changed a lot of the US policies but surely WW3 is not even near a possibility.

Even so, WTF does the idea of World War 3 come from? If Iran uses a nuke, it will be more like World Vs. Iran than anything else.

Even so, WTF does the idea of World War 3 come from? If Iran uses a nuke, it will be more like World Vs. Iran than anything else.

1. Resurrection of Lord Voldemort
2. Construction of Death Star
3. Sauron rebuilds Baradur
4. Iran nukes Israel
5. WWIII!?!
6. Profit!?!

I think we are going to win WWIII. Which is kind of exciting, because that will put us in the finals for WWIV. I know we should be just thinking about the next war, but if win the third round convincingly - we'll get home field advantage for the rapture war.

He has got to be bluffing. Threatening a WW3 id just plain stupid. Even history tells that the US of A only got into the war midway. Although 9/11 has changed a lot of the US policies but surely WW3 is not even near a possibility.
Bush never bluffs. He's too much of a self-righteous asshat. And the worst part is that if any of the Republicans win, especially Guiliani, we will be going to war with Iran.

Oh, I'm sorry, is Bush still talking?

The man has openly admitted that he's been reduced to vetoing bills just to keep himself "relevant." He's resorting to interim appointees because even Congress won't put up with his shit any more. The country doesn't like him, doesn't agree with him, and thinks his administration is a failure.

Bush is a joke.

Bush never bluffs. He's too much of a self-righteous asshat. And the worst part is that if any of the Republicans win, especially Guiliani, we will be going to war with Iran.
It's a shame you Americans can't seem to be patriotic about anything other than war, how about being patriotic about combating poverty? About social equality, about peace etc etc etc.... Sad really.

It's a shame you Americans can't seem to be patriotic about anything other than war, how about being patriotic about combating poverty? About social equality, about peace etc etc etc.... Sad really.
But those are social wrongs and if we address them we will raise Stalin from the grave, who will go and dance on Reagan's grave! We can't do that!

But those are social wrongs and if we address them we will raise Stalin from the grave, who will go and dance on Reagan's grave! We can't do that!

Then put Reagan's body in Stalin's grave. Then correct the social wrongs. Watch with amusement.

Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)

Am I the only one scared shitless over this? It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

Don't panic. Tsar Vladimir is going to keep the Shrub from doing anything.

Yeah, he really said it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071017/ts_nm/iran_bush_dc;_ylt=AuPkzhzkKMjI.uDiDpGLoc.s0NUE)



Am I the only one scared shitless over this? It really does feel like the administration is guaging up for war with Iran. And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

He said that because if Iran gets nuclear weapons they will nuke Israel, who will then retaliate. Then Syria and Jordan will go after Israel. The Europe and the US will try to defend Israel. And after what Russia's been saying, if we attack Iran, Russia will try to defend them, ergo WWIII.

He wasn't saying we would start it he was saying Iran would start it. Its the buildup to WWII all over again, the president of Iran is Hitler and the rest of the world is Nevil Chamberlain. If we don't stop appeasing him he'll start a world war. History repeats it self you know.

Iran's gotta go, China's gotta go, Putin's gotta go, Myanmar's gotta go, Sudan's gotta go, North Korea's gotta go, Belarus' gotta go.

Name any more Dictatorships if you please...because they all gotta go. GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET DICTATOFAGS!

wtf? The combination of dictator and fags is puzzling to me. Is this person presuming all dictators are gay? (sarcasm noted) Really, what is this adding to the discussion except possibly being flambait. I shall not flame/bait (right it on the board 1,000 times)

History repeats it self you know.

Only if we don't learn from it, as you apparently didn't if you're drawing parallels in strategic capabilities between Iran and WW2 era Nazi Germany as well as modern day Europe and Russia with their 1940s counterparts.

Name any more Dictatorships if you please...because they all gotta go. GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET DICTATOFAGS!

United States of America.

Am I the only one scared shitless over this?

The ones who should be scared are A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket and his puppet masters, but they're too stupid for that.

And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

No, the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now would be to let the terrorist-backing Islamo-Nazi moolah-cracy acquire nuclear weapons.

On the other hand, the smartest thing we could do right now would be to support those forces inside Iran who hate the moolah-cracy and help them overthrow the evil regime. They liberate themselves, with our assistance. A huge threat to our security is removed. And we don't have to put boots on the ground.

The ones who should be scared are A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket and his puppet masters, but they're too stupid for that.



No, the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now would be to let the terrorist-backing Islamo-Nazi moolah-cracy acquire nuclear weapons.

On the other hand, the smartest thing we could do right now would be to support those forces inside Iran who hate the moolah-cracy and help them overthrow the evil regime. They liberate themselves, with our assistance. A huge threat to our security is removed. And we don't have to put boots on the ground.

Thanks for volunteering to enlist. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you out on the front lines if and when we declare war.

You know...unless you're just a kid sitting at a computer playing arm-chair chickenhawk.

United States of America.

Maybe we should change the name to adolphgengisstalin?

[QUOTE=IsraeliMilitaryProfessor]Most European capitals are targets for our air force... We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under..I think that if anyone ever uses a nuke again, the most likely aggressors are Israel and US

It's a shame you Americans can't seem to be patriotic about anything other than war, how about being patriotic about combating poverty? About social equality, about peace etc etc etc.... Sad really.

We've always been patriotic about pushing back frontiers and exploration.

Too bad the only place left to explore is space...we don't feel like spending the money.

Maybe we should change the name to adolphgengisstalin?

Nah. Bushvikistan works better.

Nah. Bushvikistan works better.

Actually you are right. That would fit in with the Bush family values!

Thanks for volunteering to enlist. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you out on the front lines if and when we declare war.

Do you even bother to read, let alone think about, posts before you mouth off?

What part of "we don't have to put boots on the ground" don't you get?

You know...unless you're just a kid sitting at a computer playing arm-chair chickenhawk.

The "chickenhawk" argument, being mere ad hominem abuse, isn't worth responding to.

.. the smartest thing we could do right now would be to support those forces inside Iran who hate the moolah-cracy and help them overthrow the evil regime. They liberate themselves, with our assistance. But once the World figures we are doing that.. other countries would think its OK to do the same to US.

Before it was considered an act of war.. Just like bombing Iran.

But once the World figures we are doing that.. other countries would think its OK to do the same to US.

Before it was considered an act of war.. Just like bombing Iran.

It's hard to know where to begin with this one.

1) Few if any governments are going to do any such thing. Whether or not any would "think its [sic] OK" is unimportant.

2) Any that would be so inclined would have a hard time finding substantial forces in the US that want to overthrow the US government.

3) Still less a way to actually provide meaningful support.

4) Any that would do so would quickly find themselves looking upward toward the falling MOABs or other suitable ordnance that we would be sending their way.

5) Any leaders that were so foolish as to try sneaking in an MWD or two would quickly find themselves singing "How Dry I Am" while roasting on the coals right next to the 9/11 nineteen, and any who, God forbid, were successful in doing so would roast secure in the knowledge that the nations they led into such stupidity are now glowing in the dark.

6) Few if any governments are stupid enough to start a war against us over Iran. Of those that are, none, alone or together, stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

7) Supporting friendly factions against enemy regimes has been part of state diplomacy since ancient times and will continue to be so until Gabriel sounds his trumpet.

I'm not losing any sleep over this.

Well, i have little to add to this except to offer the opinions of an iranian comedian.

So check out this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFM2KlOAiCM&mode=related&search=), relevant parts in minutes 2:25 to 2:50. 8:08 to 9:00.

Also the second part of the same show here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSL-6PLHGbU&mode=related&search=). minutes 3:18 to 5:36.

Worth watching the rest though, theres some quality stuff there.

4) Any (other country) that would do so would quickly find themselves looking upward toward the falling MOABs or other suitable ordnance that we would be sending their way.Thats what I tough.. Supporting armed factions against the US Gov is an act of war.
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7) Supporting friendly factions against (Foreign Countries) has been part of state diplomacy since ancient times and will continue to be so until Gabriel sounds his trumpet.We use acts of war to support Diplomacy?
No wonder they love US so much.

Iran is NOT going to bomb Israel (conventional or Nuclear).

unless US and/or Israel attack first.

And you are the Minister of defense for Iran?

Iran is already attacking US soldiers indirectly by supporting terrorists with high explosives and weapons.

We've always been patriotic about pushing back frontiers and exploration.

Too bad the only place left to explore is space...we don't feel like spending the money.

And I think that's my point, looking outwards to fix all your problems may not be always the right answer, sometimes you need to look inwardly at your own society.

If there is war, Bush's approval rating would go straight to 0%.

Yay. Let's further destabilize the region by murdering more people who did nothing to us. (but Israel will be safe, so it's all good)

Iran is already attacking US soldiers indirectly by supporting terrorists with high explosives and weapons.
And so they should!

I wasn't bringing the SCO up, for the sake of comparison between China and Russia vs the United States, but rather their relationship with Iran. An invasion of Iran (or a pre-emptive bombing, in this case) would make the Russian economy suffer even more (if that's even possible), as they've invested much within Iran. Russian protests could potentially lead to the economic bloc to protest, for the sake of the Russian economy (though it's not much to save, really).

That would be a logical conclusion. But I do not think the Chinese would agree with Russia, with the majority of China's economy being heavily dependent on trade with the US. Even allies could have disagreements.
Perhaps Russia should consider investing in europe or china as those nations are more stable economically speaking.

And so they should!

And they're also using those weapons to take out Iraqi civilians, Iraq's government, and overall causing the sectarian shit.


And so they should!...

:rolleyes:

And so they should!

To my knowledge, Iran borders Iraq...

Therefore, isn't it their business more than ours?

The U.S. and Britain need to question who and what they're fighting for.

And they're also using those weapons to take out Iraqi civilians, Iraq's government, and overall causing the sectarian shit.


And so they should!...

:rolleyes:
Iran has a right to fight the US empire wherever it's blight spreads.

Iran has a right to fight the US empire wherever it's blight spreads.


So you're supporting the suicide bombings that kill more Iraqi civilians than US soldiers?

Or are you just saying that all Iraqi civilians are infected with US plague and deserve to be killed?

So you're supporting the suicide bombings that kill more Iraqi civilians than US soldiers?

Or are you just saying that all Iraqi civilians are infected with US plague and deserve to be killed?
Well Iran can only do it through proxy militias, militias whose tactics target civilians, so they really have no choice.

the global applecart

That must be one hell of an applecart!

Well Iran can only do it through proxy militias, militias whose tactics target civilians, so they really have no choice.

Sounds like war crimes to me.

And they do have a choice, stop sending weapons over and supporting terrorists. Then they might be able to gain some support by using diplomacy instead of suicide bombers to get their opinions carried out.

Sorry if this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071018/pl_afp/usirannuclearwwiiiwhouse) has already been posted.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush's warning that Iran must be denied nuclear arms to avoid "World War III" was just "a rhetorical point," not a prelude to Armageddon, his spokeswoman said Thursday.

At a White House press conference on Wednesday, Bush said that he had told world leaders "if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (the Iranians) from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

"The president was not making any war plans, and he wasn't making any declarations," said press secretary Dana Perino. "He was using that as a rhetorical point."

Perino said Bush was trying to underscore international efforts to convince Iran to freeze sensitive nuclear work that can be a prelude to developing atomic weapons. Tehran says its program is for civilian energy purposes.

"That that would lead to a very dangerous -- a potentially dangerous situation, and potentially lead to a scenario where you have World War III," Perino said.

Sounds like war crimes to me.

And they do have a choice, stop sending weapons over and supporting terrorists. Then they might be able to gain some support by using diplomacy instead of suicide bombers to get their opinions carried out.

Lol, if the US don't accept international laws on war, why should Iran?

Lol, if the US don't accept international laws on war, why should Iran?


Except the US DOES.

Except the US DOES.

Only if you call burglars "wealth distribution specialists" and murderers "mortally challenging individuals"

And make what they did not a crime.

The US twists its own laws to fit what it wants, and has gone on record stating that international laws are superseded by its own laws.

I think the US needs to do its best to prevent it, but not let Iran rule it all. I don't know whats up with all the Musslem Coutries wanting to destroy Isrial but who knows. I think the US needs to work better for World Peace, but also not let another country take control over the world or have the power to.

Samson Option anyone? http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/15/112430.shtml

I highly doubt the US would be on the target list.
Won't have to be, They'll just hit Moscow, Russia blames us then takes us out for them.

[QUOTE=Non Aligned States;13144727]I think that if anyone ever uses a nuke again, the most likely aggressors are Israel and US

It's an important note that the ONLY country which has ever used a nuke is the USA (Japan, 1945).

Anybody can talk, and say what they want, but past actions speak louder than words.

And it seems quite clear that war with Iran would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do right now.

Indeed it would be. The Middle East is already a bubbling cauldron as it is; to make yet another military incursion there would undoubtedly cause what could be considered a world war. Plus, Iran, unlike Iraq, actually has military forces of its own, and enough arms and radical militants to make sure attacking them would be a military catastrophe of epic proportions.

No, attacking Iran would be like throwing shit right on top of the fan while facing it.

Experimental states, get your quotes right. You want Oceandrive in that quote, not me.

Iran, unlike Iraq, actually has military forces of its own, and enough arms and radical militants to make sure attacking them would be a military catastrophe of epic proportions.

Yep, the Iranian army sure showed its stuff against Iraq.

They have an army of about 350,000 (200,000 of which are conscripts):

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/army.htm

They have minimal air power, mostly obsolete aircraft and missiles.

In any real confrontation, I submit that they would collapse like a two dollar beach chair, much like the (far larger) Iraqi army did. As for their "radical militants", unless they get their hands on MWD's and deliver them somehow, they're pinpricks at most.

But again: we don't need to invade Iran. Let the moolah-cracy's internal opposition do the fighting. Provide them with support but let them handle it otherwise. And before you know it, we'll have re-opened our embassy in Tehran, and dead moolahs' daughters will be asking our Marines if they "got girlfriend Tehran?" :D

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It's an important note that the ONLY country which has ever used a nuke is the USA (Japan, 1945).

And props to us for doing it.

Let the moolah-cracy's internal opposition do the fighting. Provide them with support but let them handle it otherwise. And before you know it, we'll have re-opened our embassy in Tehran, and dead moolahs' daughters will be asking our Marines if they "got girlfriend Tehran?" :D

You know, for a guy who's complained about PG-13, you should really do your masturbation elsewhere. Civilized, right-thinking individuals do not need to watch you wank to your vicarious sadistic fantasies.

You know, for a guy who's complained about PG-13, you should really do your masturbation elsewhere. Civilized, right-thinking individuals do not need to watch you wank to your vicarious sadistic fantasies.

Someone engages in Correct Thought. Good for you. We need people that engage in Correct Thought to counteract those that engage in Correct Though.

Incorrect Thought must be destroyed at all costs.

Actually Iran has a massive army I hear, over 500,000 troops, unlike Iraq, it has a better army. It would be disaterous to attack Iran.

Yep, the Iranian army sure showed its stuff against Iraq.

They have an army of about 350,000 (200,000 of which are conscripts):

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/army.htm

They have minimal air power, mostly obsolete aircraft and missiles.

In any real confrontation, I submit that they would collapse like a two dollar beach chair, much like the (far larger) Iraqi army did. As for their "radical militants", unless they get their hands on MWD's and deliver them somehow, they're pinpricks at most.

But again: we don't need to invade Iran. Let the moolah-cracy's internal opposition do the fighting. Provide them with support but let them handle it otherwise. And before you know it, we'll have re-opened our embassy in Tehran, and dead moolahs' daughters will be asking our Marines if they "got girlfriend Tehran?" :D

Translation: RAWR RAWR RAWR IRAN IZ TEH SUXORZ, USA PWNS

Also, you fail at quoting global security, I think linking to the Heritage Foundation might have given you more credibility rather than the steaming pile of crap your post is in terms of factual information.

You fail. Try again.

wow i never knew bush could count to 3!

Translation: RAWR RAWR RAWR IRAN IZ TEH SUXORZ, USA PWNS

Also, you fail at quoting global security, I think linking to the Heritage Foundation might have given you more credibility rather than the steaming pile of crap your post is in terms of factual information.

You fail. Try again.

What exactly do you have against GS? I do not recall any allegations of bias made against them. On the contrary, they are a good source for correct information regarding various military topics.

It's an important note that the ONLY country which has ever used a nuke is the USA (Japan, 1945).

Anybody can talk, and say what they want, but past actions speak louder than words.

Actually it was twice and it was in a formal declared war between two nations....

if BUSH doesn't stop getting out of line, the entire rest of the world is going to have no other choice, then to unite, reguardless of culture or idiology, in stopping him.

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What exactly do you have against GS? I do not recall any allegations of bias made against them. On the contrary, they are a good source for correct information regarding various military topics.

They are a pro-US think tank which lean to the far-right, Fox often interviews people from them on military matters, you don't have to read the site long to see the obvious pro-US bias.

if BUSH doesn't stop getting out of line, the entire rest of the world is going to have no other choice, then to unite, reguardless of culture or idiology, in stopping him.

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And I suppose you're just the one to "unite" the "entire rest of the world," eh?

Post again when you wake up. It ain't gonna happen, pal :D

What exactly do you have against GS? I do not recall any allegations of bias made against them. On the contrary, they are a good source for correct information regarding various military topics.

I suspect any source other than MoveOn, MediaMatters or the like would draw similar criticism from this fellow and those who think like him.

They are a pro-US think tank which lean to the far-right, Fox often interviews people from them on military matters, you don't have to read the site long to see the obvious pro-US bias.

Please, educate me. Point me to specific examples in the website.