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Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

Offensiveness for the sake of offensiveness isn't good but I don't see reason to avoid making points, which I may feel are valid, simply because it might hurt someones feelings

Hey I've got a great idea! How about we leave out religion along with politics, and social issues, and history? Get rid of those stupid humor topics too, they just clutter things up. In fact, let's just close the damned forums. People might get offended by our opinions.

/end sarcasm

No. In fact, we should expand the number of topics we can talk about. Whatever happened to the topics were people would discuss personal problems and dating advice etc? Oh wait, a select group of posters decided to start decrying those topics as "blog posts", and this place got that little bit more boring.

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided


And where will you draw the line? And republicans could feel bad about positive Democrat postings and vice versa. I'm even silent about the war in Iraq, homosexuals, porn or whatever subject...

You will always find people who are offended by about anything.

Maybe it’s easier by not reading such posts and not replying to it.

Some subjects do not interest me at all or I have no opinion about it thus I stay away.

If it works for me, why not for you?

I think any topic should be avoided when there are already ten or so of the same ilk on the first page.

I think meta-topics such as these that suggest we all stop talking about 'X' are to be avoided more than topics about religion.

Oh, and what Dexlysia said about avoiding topics that already have a bunch of threads.

I think any topic should be avoided when there are already ten or so of the same ilk on the first page.
Agreed. I know NSG cycles, and I'm sure we're going to get off this kick sooner or later, but until then...

ENOUGH WITH THE BLOODY RELIGION THREADS!

There, I feel MUCH better. :p

Seriously though, given the plethora we currently find ourselves with, doesn't follow that at least ONE of them would be talking about what you want to say regarding religion? Why create a new thread?

Offensiveness for the sake of offensiveness isn't good but I don't see reason to avoid making points, which I may feel are valid, simply because it might hurt someones feelings

Yes, but there is a clear difference between making a point and attempting to completely discredit a faith, or in the case of 'God' not existing, three or four faiths not including the individual denominations. Its the open-and-shut statements that cause offence, because its the open-and-shut statements that rather clearly intend to.

I'd be all up for honest open discussion of faith etc, except that most people arent so open in such discussion. Subjects that attempt to clearly state that a system of belief is wrong are not open discussions, and often follow with a slagfest.

Furthermore, it seems quite clear that on this forum, atheists outnumber non-atheists, in posts in these topics at least. As such, it isnt a proper atmosphere in which to discuss faith, especially seeing as, as stated earlier, most of these atheists insist there is no god and refuse to even discuss the possibility

Had enough of Religion Threads for now its full of the same people rehashing the same old arguments that end in a slanging match , but should get rid of them just pray the cycle breaks so get more humour threads up

Had enough of Religion Threads for now its full of the same people rehashing the same old arguments that end in a slanging match , but should get rid of them just pray the cycle breaks so get more humour threads up

Personally, I wouldn't mind a few evolution threads to roll through.

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another.Don't read 'em?

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

Heh good luck with that campaign. I fear though that if you succeed you may wipe out half of the user accounts, as I'm fairly certain that at least that many of us come here just to vent!

Yes, but there is a clear difference between making a point and attempting to completely discredit a faith, or in the case of 'God' not existing, three or four faiths not including the individual denominations. Its the open-and-shut statements that cause offence, because its the open-and-shut statements that rather clearly intend to.

I'd be all up for honest open discussion of faith etc, except that most people arent so open in such discussion. Subjects that attempt to clearly state that a system of belief is wrong are not open discussions, and often follow with a slagfest.

Furthermore, it seems quite clear that on this forum, atheists outnumber non-atheists, in posts in these topics at least. As such, it isn't a proper atmosphere in which to discuss faith, especially seeing as, as stated earlier, most of these atheists insist there is no god and refuse to even discuss the possibility

It is I'm afraid the nature of the beast. When you get a bunch of people together 'discussing' anything, well you are going to get disagreements, and when that happens, when somebody is told 'no you are wrong' then even the most mild mannered person in the world will have their back put up by that.


Why should we here be any different? Well we shouldn't and we ain't.

Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

You're new to this whole message board thing aren't you?

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

Don't like them? Don't read them.


The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

I'm not interested in bringing debate to an end. I'm not interested in converting anybody, though at least one poster has told me that I convinced them to abandon their faith (not sure if that was a good thing or not), so it's certainly possible.


The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world.

Seems like it really needs to be addressed then, doesn't it?


Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people.

Darling, this is an internet forum. If you make a statement about ice cream flavors you are guaranteed to offend somebody.


For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided
You've been on this forum for less than 50 posts right now. If you have dipped in your toe and found the water is not to your liking, feel free to go swim elsewhere.

Heh good luck with that campaign. I fear though that if you succeed you may wipe out half of the user accounts, as I'm fairly certain that at least that many of us come here just to vent!

:upyours:

I love you too. :)

As a reaction, I think we should have an “ultimate cage fight” section.

No modds, no rules.

Anyone up for a nice polite discussion on their favourite shade of grey?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

oh noezzzz! people might be offended :rolleyes:

you must be very new to the internet. And learn to not be offended if people attack your silly beliefs, otherwise you might not like this place.

Anyone up for a nice polite discussion on their favourite shade of grey?

That's dangerous...

Environmentalism
Greys has been used pejoritavely by environmentalists to describe technophiles as being those who like granite, concrete and other city materials, as opposed to using the term "greens" to describe those in favor of environmentalism.

Ethics
In a moral sense grey is either used
pejoratively to describe situations that have no clear moral value

Nazi Germany
Martin Bormann was called the grey eminence (a phrase which originated as a description of François Leclerc du Tremblay, the French monk who served as advisor to Cardinal de Richelieu) because as the executive secretary to Adolf Hitler, he amassed great power behind the scene due to the fact that he was the one who controlled access to the Führer. [4]

Parties
A "grey person" is someone who goes unnoticed, a wallflower.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

Under this logic, on this board; then the following topics would need to be banned as well:

- Abortion
- Political Candidates/Parties
- Capital Punishment reports
- Homosexuality in general, including marriage rights/opposition to
- Evolution/Creation
- Medical Technology/Progress
- Current Events
- Past Events
- Future Events
- Non-occurring events

And in short, this place would become boring... People would end up speaking about their favorite cookie recipes, Holding polls on what they should make for dinner/breakfast/supper/lunch, how much hair their pets are shedding... The deepest debates would be about the lump of putty they found laying next to their car one morning when heading to work.

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Personally, I wouldn't mind a few evolution threads to roll through.

We tried.

A few times.

There just aren't any more rabidly Creationist posters on here anymore :(

We tried.

A few times.

There just aren't any more vapidly Creationist posters on here anymore :(

We all know that God created the world, and populated it via the process of evolution. Don't we?

"should", according to krishnamurti, is what you do in the little room with the mirrors. i'd like to see most forms of gratuitous conventionality left out of everything. people will be people though, even imaginary nonhuman heads of state.

=^^=
.../\...

Too often
50 posts more or less... meh.

has been debated since Darwin at the latest.
I somewhat feel that the debate predates Darwin...

Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?
Same goes for atheists embracing a religion...

Anyway no, as no debate on an internet forum will ever be the last, definitive argument about anything.

i feel such topics should be completely avoided
Freedom of speech. You can choose to read or not to read religious threads. As anyone else.

We all know that God created the world, and populated it via the process of evolution. Don't we?

NO.

NO.


Uh huh!

i don't claim to know how chaos might have created nonchaos, but i'm almost certain hierarchy is some sort of usurper.

i do love big, friendly and invissible, and suspect this might not be entirely the paradox organized belief's context might make it seem.

=^^=
.../\...

Uh huh!

You know, since you said "we all know," you've been proven wrong by one assertion that it is not true, because said assertion is a counter-example to your claim that "we all know" it. :p

Religion Should Be Left Out of Forum Topics

Nah. Too much fun !

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

The solution is really simple and does not involve censorship. If you don't like the thread, don't read it or post on it. See, you can't be offended by something you haven't read (unless you're Rosie O'Donnell) and the rest of us can read and be offended and offensive as much as we like without worrying about you.

You know, since you said "we all know," you've been proven wrong by one assertion that it is not true, because said assertion is a counter-example to your claim that "we all know" it. :p

Aha but never asserted that I, asked it!

Aha but never asserted that I, asked it!

You sure did. When somebody said no, you replied:

Uh huh!
:p

We all know that God created the world, and populated it via the process of evolution. Don't we?

Errr... no. No we don't.

:p

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

Anything you debate is bound to offend someone. Let's ban debate!!!

Anything you debate is bound to offend someone. Let's ban debate!!!

Suggesting we ban debates on certain topics offends me. Let's ban it.

Suggesting we ban debates on certain topics offends me. Let's ban it.

Your suggestion offends me! Let's ban such discussions immediately!

Without a relative freedom of speech, pure gold and pearls of wisdom won't come from message boards. Those religions threads tend to be Gold Standard(TM), they will only be missed when they cease to exist.

Hey I've got a great idea! How about we leave out religion along with politics, and social issues, and history? Get rid of those stupid humor topics too, they just clutter things up. In fact, let's just close the damned forums. People might get offended by our opinions.

/end sarcasm

No. In fact, we should expand the number of topics we can talk about. Whatever happened to the topics were people would discuss personal problems and dating advice etc? Oh wait, a select group of posters decided to start decrying those topics as "blog posts", and this place got that little bit more boring.Blogs hurt my feelings, asshole.

Religion should be left out of life.

Darling, this is an internet forum. If you make a statement about ice cream flavors you are guaranteed to offend somebody.

I have tested this and found it to be true.

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

One of the biggest problems is what I like to call the credo violation. You see the word "credo" is latin for "I believe." The credo violation is any belief not in the first person, "you believe" or "they believe." Go into the credo violation and your probably going to be 99.94% wrong.

Frankly I don't care what you think they believe. Or what you think I believe. Odds are you are flt out wrong. You have some chance at getting what you believe right, but only some chance. So discuss what you believe and let them discuss what they believe.

Show me an argument in religion and there is a good chance I can show you credo violation. Show me an argument in politics and there is a good chance I can show you credo violation. Show me an argument in sports and ... well you get the picture.

Does that mean that we should ban all threads? No but I do appeal that all should discuss what they know. Let's all talk about what we believe and not make up straw people of the bizzaro world of what I think he thinks of what she believes. Take words from your own mouth. Do not put them in other people's mouths as it is most unsanitary!

Blogs hurt my feelings, asshole.

But the topic's I'm talking about aren't blogs. People just say thier blogs because the poster just happens to be talking about something that happened to him/her instead of the latest stupid crap Bush did today, or Iraq or Religion.


BTW: If this was sarcasm, sorry.

In before the "THIS IS A POLITICAL FORUM IT IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT POLITICAL MANNERS IT SAYS SO RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE 'For discussion and debate about anything.' EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT ON A POLITICAL FORUMS SUCH AS THIS ONE ANYTHING REFERS ONLY TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ABORTION RELIGION DEATH-PENALTY MARIJUANA DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS BUSH IMMIGRATION TERRORISTS MUSLIMS COMMUNISM SOCIALISM AND CAPITALISM ANYTHING ELSE POSTED ON THIS FORUM IS WRONG AND YOU LESSER BEINGS SHOULD BE REMOVED GO BORE THE WORLD ON YOUR BLOG WE ACTUALLY HAVE INTERESTING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT HERE"

But the topic's I'm talking about aren't blogs. People just say thier blogs because the poster just happens to be talking about something that happened to him/her instead of the latest stupid crap Bush did today, or Iraq or Religion.


BTW: If this was sarcasm, sorry.Have you ever heard of Operation Desert-Blog?

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

Why read those threads?

There is no reason to ban religious topics on either side.

1. If you are offended by religious topics, you can A. not read them or B. advocate a respectful and peaceful discussion.

2. If you are on the other side, you already know why you shouldn't ban religious topics.

Have you ever heard of Operation Desert-Blog?

1. No I haven't heard of it.

2. Where does it say this is supposed to be strictly political? Right underneath the "General" tab:

For discussion and debate about anything.

Where does it say "anything to do with only politics?"

Too often have i come into this forum to find topics discrediting some faith or another. One topic in every five at least seems to be someone taking a shot at the Bible, or Satanism, or 'the christian god does not exist' and other such stupid topics.

The simple question that i have is why are you posting these threads anyway? The question of the existence of, in this example, the Christian God (who is also the Muslim and Jewish God) has been debated since Darwin at the latest. Do you think posting your clearly one-sided opinion on some forum, not as an open discussion topic but an open-and-shut fact, would somehow bring this debate to an end? Do you think Christians, Jews, Muslims etc would read your post, say 'Wow, ive never thought of it that way!' and immediately abandon religion?

The topic of religion has caused more hostility than any other topic in the world. Make any statement clearly crediting or discrediting a faith, creed or system of belief and you are almost guaranteed to offend people. For this reason, i feel such topics should be completely avoided

The bold I agree with. It's a bit annoying to see threads made about the same topic over and over, especially when they are mostly restatements of the same arguments. You do/do not believe in God/s. We get it already!
But I don't think they should be banned. It would be nice (cough, cough) if there were fewer, but I see no need to make a special rule. Like others have said, where do you draw the line?