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Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

Edwinasia
16-10-2007, 13:11
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

It are us, the parents, that buy the toys and candy.

No, god doesn’t see you when you’re behaving badly.

He doesn’t write it down in a book.
He will not punish you by not bringing toys.

It was just a tool for us, to make sure, you behave nice.

I’m very sorry, I hope you’ll forgive me someday, no?
Ifreann
16-10-2007, 13:13
I think you're confusing god with Santa.
Lapalam
16-10-2007, 13:21
I think you're confusing god with Santa.

I think you're confusing Santa with with Saint Nicklaus (that was green suited), and you all are confusing the internet with your own diary and i'm confusing my right fingers with some sort of tentacles claiming their mighty mighty power over your minds and the entire world, and i'll give up writing just when you all confuse me with god and you'll adore me untill you'll find out that i don't exist (like every other divinity) and stop answering seriously to fun and silly posts ... eheheh
Constantanaple
16-10-2007, 13:26
I think you're confusing god with Santa.

I think you're confusing Santa with me. I am God.
Edwinasia
16-10-2007, 14:03
I think you're confusing Santa with with Saint Nicklaus (that was green suited), and you all are confusing the internet with your own diary and i'm confusing my right fingers with some sort of tentacles claiming their mighty mighty power over your minds and the entire world, and i'll give up writing just when you all confuse me with god and you'll adore me untill you'll find out that i don't exist (like every other divinity) and stop answering seriously to fun and silly posts ... eheheh

Saint Nicholas is the only real god.

Those bloody Yankees stole it from us, Americanized it and sell it as Santa Claus.

I guess that Saint Nicholas is political incorrect in US. He's having a personal black slave called Black Pete.

More about Saint Nicholas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
Dexlysia
16-10-2007, 14:25
god doesn’t exist.

Source?
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
16-10-2007, 14:27
Those bloody Yankees stole it from us, Americanized it and sell it as Santa Claus.
At least Santa never "passed through a rainbow with his boar" and ended up with a crap load of colored Petes.
Who knows what Bill O'Reilly would do if that happened in the US.
Europa Barbarorum
16-10-2007, 14:34
Source?

Ahahaha. That actually made me lol.
United human countries
16-10-2007, 14:41
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

It are us, the parents, that buy the toys and candy.

No, god doesn’t see you when you’re behaving badly.

He doesn’t write it down in a book.
He will not punish you by not bringing toys.

It was just a tool for us, to make sure, you behave nice.

I’m very sorry, I hope you’ll forgive me someday, no?

I was expecting something more, an acual arguement.... *sigh* guess I'll have to go back to arguing with some vegans....
Rogue Protoss
16-10-2007, 14:47
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

It are us, the parents, that buy the toys and candy.

No, god doesn’t see you when you’re behaving badly.

He doesn’t write it down in a book.
He will not punish you by not bringing toys.

It was just a tool for us, to make sure, you behave nice.

I’m very sorry, I hope you’ll forgive me someday, no?

I shall pray for your demented soul
Edwinasia
16-10-2007, 14:48
Source?

All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.
Edwinasia
16-10-2007, 14:51
I shall pray for your demented soul

Thank you. But it's better to send me a cheque :)
Khadgar
16-10-2007, 14:52
All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

By the way what is the point of this thread? Looks like spam to me, either that or you're trying to rile up the religious, which is fairly pointless.
Lunatic Goofballs
16-10-2007, 14:55
Just because God doesn't exist is no reason to stop believing in God. *nod*
Gift-of-god
16-10-2007, 14:55
All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.

I saw god once. Prove I didn't.
Peepelonia
16-10-2007, 14:57
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

By the way what is the point of this thread? Looks like spam to me, either that or you're trying to rile up the religious, which is fairly pointless.

I'm gonna go with option two.

Now whats me prize then?
Wilgrove
16-10-2007, 14:58
I saw god once. Prove I didn't.

What you saw was a hobo in white robe. He was actually asking you for a fish sandwich, but you just got down on your knees, and well, I'll leave it at that.

:p
Lapalam
16-10-2007, 15:14
I saw god once. Prove I didn't.

you don't exist, nobody does ... prove we do.
Dexlysia
16-10-2007, 15:19
you don't exist, nobody does ... prove we do.

You don't exist.
Ergo, your claim was never made.
CanuckHeaven
16-10-2007, 15:20
Source?
There is only one source and Edwinasia is not it. :D
Edwinasia
16-10-2007, 15:21
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

By the way what is the point of this thread? Looks like spam to me, either that or you're trying to rile up the religious, which is fairly pointless.

If you feel attacked then I'm sorry.

But according my opinion god doesn't exist. May I?
Peepelonia
16-10-2007, 15:22
There is only one source and Edwinasia is not it. :D

I beg to differ, there are in fact loads of sauces, I like Brown with me bacon!:eek:
CanuckHeaven
16-10-2007, 15:24
All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.
Your logic falls apart at line 3. Prove that no one has seen God. Good luck.

I agree with Khadgar......yup......this thread is SPAM!!
Hamilay
16-10-2007, 15:25
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

By the way what is the point of this thread? Looks like spam to me, either that or you're trying to rile up the religious, which is fairly pointless.

We have a winner!

If you feel attacked then I'm sorry.

But according my opinion god doesn't exist. May I?

May you what? May you exist? No. This is forbidden.
CanuckHeaven
16-10-2007, 15:25
I beg to differ, there are in fact loads of sauces, I like Brown with me bacon!:eek:
Brown, as in HP sauce?
Smunkeeville
16-10-2007, 15:26
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

By the way what is the point of this thread? Looks like spam to me, either that or you're trying to rile up the religious, which is fairly pointless.

:p
Peepelonia
16-10-2007, 15:27
Brown, as in HP sauce?

Yep yep, HP do in fact make the best Brown Sauce!
Khadgar
16-10-2007, 15:27
If you feel attacked then I'm sorry.

But according my opinion god doesn't exist. May I?

That's nice, but your opinion isn't fact, don't present it as such.
Antikythera
16-10-2007, 15:34
All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.

Its called faith.

Polytheistic religions are dogmatic as well.
Empirical= Based on experience or observational information not necessarily on proven scientific data.
Many people be live that they have seen God(s). It is a personal experience or opinion that in a logical argument cant not be attacked.

There are many arguments for a belief in god(s). The rationality of something is based on ones personal experience. There is no point in proving the rational existence of a God or Gods as it will always be a matter of faith and opinion. It is a personal matter.

the quote is only one mans opinion of what reality is. How can man be the measure of all when man does not know all??

there is more "proof" for the existence of a god(s) than there is for the existence of the idea of Santa clause.
Balderdash71964
16-10-2007, 15:36
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.


Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Proverbs 13:16
…a fool flaunts his folly.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 10:1
A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.


God seems to disagree with your assessment of the situation.
Kryozerkia
16-10-2007, 15:37
Why do you doubt Edwinasia? He is espousing the truth about this 'god' that people like to pretend actually exists. Edwinasia's word is honest even if none of you like it.

Preach it brother! Convert the masses! Atheism is the way of the future! :D
Similization
16-10-2007, 15:38
Doesn't divinity make life rather pointless?
Smunkeeville
16-10-2007, 15:41
Doesn't divinity make life rather pointless?

how's that?
Ifreann
16-10-2007, 15:46
Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Proverbs 13:16
…a fool flaunts his folly.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 10:1
A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.


God seems to disagree with your assessment of the situation.

God didn't write the psalms, King Solomon supposedly did.

Oh, and what Khadgar says down there vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Khadgar
16-10-2007, 15:46
Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Proverbs 13:16
…a fool flaunts his folly.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 10:1
A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.


God seems to disagree with your assessment of the situation.

The bible proves nothing.
Khadgar
16-10-2007, 15:47
how's that?

If you're omnipotent the obvious outcome is abject boredom. You know everything, what's to entertain you? What room is there for growth? Perfection cannot change, cannot evolve, can never learn.
Hamilay
16-10-2007, 15:49
If you're omnipotent the obvious outcome is abject boredom. You know everything, what's to entertain you? What room is there for growth? Perfection cannot change, cannot evolve, can never learn.

Surely an omnipotent being can snap its fingers and say 'let there be entertainment' and conjure up something to occupy it for eternity?
Smunkeeville
16-10-2007, 15:50
If you're omnipotent the obvious outcome is abject boredom. You know everything, what's to entertain you? What room is there for growth? Perfection cannot change, cannot evolve, can never learn.

divinity isn't the same as omnipotence. He said divinity would make life pointless. I merely inquired as to why.
Ifreann
16-10-2007, 15:51
Surely an omnipotent being can snap its fingers and say 'let there be entertainment' and conjure up something to occupy it for eternity?

That or just become potent and scient for a while.

Is there a antonym to omni-?
Gift-of-god
16-10-2007, 15:51
If you're omnipotent the obvious outcome is abject boredom. You know everything, what's to entertain you? What room is there for growth? Perfection cannot change, cannot evolve, can never learn.

You seem to be under the assumption that divine beings are necessarily omniscient. Or omnipotent, if you prefer.
Khadgar
16-10-2007, 15:53
Surely an omnipotent being can snap its fingers and say 'let there be entertainment' and conjure up something to occupy it for eternity?

I'm sure you could, for the first few hundred years, but after a while it all becomes old hat. You know all the outcomes before they happen. I suppose playing with mortals could be fun for a few decades, but like I said if nothing is unpredictable where's the fun if there's no surprises?
Hamilay
16-10-2007, 15:54
That or just become potent and scient for a while.

Is there a antonym to omni-?

'nulli-'?

I'm sure you could, for the first few hundred years, but after a while it all becomes old hat. You know all the outcomes before they happen. I suppose playing with mortals could be fun for a few decades, but like I said if nothing is unpredictable where's the fun if there's no surprises?

But by definition an omnipotent being can do anything it wants, right? Thus it can be entertained with interesting pursuits for all eternity. No idea how, but it can.
Extreme Ironing
16-10-2007, 16:52
Why do you assume a god would have emotions?
New Genoa
16-10-2007, 17:02
Ahahaha. That actually made me lol.

Seeing this user name makes me wonder if you play Rome Total War.
Kryozerkia
16-10-2007, 17:31
Why do you assume a god would have emotions?

According to the doctrine of Abrahamic faiths, were not men and women created in the image of "God"? So, should then followers of these faiths not have emotions? Further, if he didn't have emotions, why would he have been angry at Adam and Eve? Anger is an emotion.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
16-10-2007, 17:37
The bible proves nothing.
Neither do anonymous posts on the Internets.
Smunkeeville
16-10-2007, 17:37
According to the doctrine of Abrahamic faiths, were not men and women created in the image of "God"? So, should then followers of these faiths not have emotions? Further, if he didn't have emotions, why would he have been angry at Adam and Eve? Anger is an emotion.

why do you assume the Bible God?
Kryozerkia
16-10-2007, 17:38
why do you assume the Bible God?

The singular nature.
Bottle
16-10-2007, 18:17
Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Proverbs 13:16
…a fool flaunts his folly.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 10:1
A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.


God seems to disagree with your assessment of the situation.
Since when does "the person who wrote a particular passage in the Bible" equate to "God"?
Similization
16-10-2007, 18:53
divinity isn't the same as omnipotence. He said divinity would make life pointless. I merely inquired as to why.I asked if it wouldn't.

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll assume you're asking about my reason for asking. If that's not it, you'll have to clarify.

Generally speaking (there's a few exceptions), divinity involves pre & post mortal coil stuff, usually of a kind that basically reduces life to the equivalent of a really long, mostly annoying and often quite dangerous commercial break.

I don't know if it's worth going into detail, but I'm disinclined to do so for a couple of reasons.
Similization
16-10-2007, 18:56
Since when does "the person who wrote a particular passage in the Bible" equate to "God"?Since the establishment of the Biblical Pantheon in 300BC :p
CanuckHeaven
16-10-2007, 21:52
Why do you doubt Edwinasia? He is espousing the truth about this 'god' that people like to pretend actually exists.
Why should I believe him or you?

Edwinasia's word is honest even if none of you like it.
Prove to me that Edwinisia is "honest".

Preach it brother! Convert the masses! Atheism is the way of the future! :D
Please explain the benefits of converting to atheism.
United Beleriand
16-10-2007, 22:12
Source?History.
Kryozerkia
16-10-2007, 22:12
Why should I believe him or you?

Well, I'm posting here and communicating with you, is any god doing that?


Prove to me that Edwinisia is "honest".

Uh... committee's still out on that one.

Please explain the benefits of converting to atheism.

You don't have to worry about the afterlife. Instead you can live this life free of fear that your god is going to hurt you because you have committed a sin you didn't even know existed.

Atheism doesn't need answers. We accept that there are things that we don't know and that's cool.

With Atheism you are able to arrogantly pat yourself on the back for doing well instead of thanking some god for a job well done. Imagine not having to thank god because something went right; you can just thank yourself because you did it.

Everyone is equal. Homosexuals are going to have the same afterlife as everyone else. Women and men are equal. There are no heathens or sinners. We are bound by common law that we all voted on. Those laws reflect our society and culture as it exists today and not thousands of years passted. The laws are relevant and not dated.
CanuckHeaven
16-10-2007, 23:45
Well, I'm posting here and communicating with you, is any god doing that?
You are evading the question. People lie to me everyday. Why should I believe you or him?

Uh... committee's still out on that one.
Exactly!! :D

You don't have to worry about the afterlife. Instead you can live this life free of fear that your god is going to hurt you because you have committed a sin you didn't even know existed.
I think I would have more fear following your path.

Atheism doesn't need answers. We accept that there are things that we don't know and that's cool.
You have to be an atheist to accept things that you don't know?

With Atheism you are able to arrogantly pat yourself on the back for doing well instead of thanking some god for a job well done. Imagine not having to thank god because something went right; you can just thank yourself because you did it.
Ahhhh, but who do you blame when things don't go right?

Everyone is equal.
All atheists are equal?

Homosexuals are going to have the same afterlife as everyone else. Women and men are equal. There are no heathens or sinners. We are bound by common law that we all voted on. Those laws reflect our society and culture as it exists today and not thousands of years passted. The laws are relevant and not dated.
And all lived happily ever after? The end?
Bann-ed
16-10-2007, 23:48
I saw god once. Prove I didn't.

You have no eyes.

Prove me wrong.
Deputy Dan
17-10-2007, 01:43
All monotheistic religions are dogmatic.
There's no empirical evidence it is existing.
Not one person saw a god or gods once.

There are no arguments for believing in one. Arguments are rational.
You can't proof rational the existence of some god. So it doesn't exist.

Protagoras already said:
"Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not"

What Santa Claus is for children, is god for the bigger ones.

Wrong. Santa Claus was never nailed to a cross; God was.

Santa Claus never died or shed his blood to pay for anybody's sins; God did.
Deputy Dan
17-10-2007, 01:46
Since when does "the person who wrote a particular passage in the Bible" equate to "God"?

God gave him/her/them the words to write in the Bible. They got their words from God.
Deputy Dan
17-10-2007, 01:50
You don't have to worry about the afterlife. Instead you can live this life free of fear that your god is going to hurt you because you have committed a sin you didn't even know existed.

Not worrying about the afterlife doesn't make it go away. You will still have to deal with God.

With Atheism you are able to arrogantly pat yourself on the back for doing well instead of thanking some god for a job well done. Imagine not having to thank god because something went right; you can just thank yourself because you did it.

Arrogant; a very accurate word!
Similization
17-10-2007, 01:52
Not worrying about the afterlife doesn't make it go away. You will still have to deal with God.Try proving that, without using circular reasoning.
Ohshucksiforgotourname
17-10-2007, 01:55
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

It are us, the parents, that buy the toys and candy.

No, god doesn’t see you when you’re behaving badly.

He doesn’t write it down in a book.
He will not punish you by not bringing toys.

It was just a tool for us, to make sure, you behave nice.

I’m very sorry, I hope you’ll forgive me someday, no?

Children, I have to confess: edwinasia doesn't exist.

And neither does kryozerkia.
Katganistan
17-10-2007, 01:55
I think you're confusing god with Santa.

Truth.
IL Ruffino
17-10-2007, 01:56
Truth.

But Santa does exist..
Katganistan
17-10-2007, 01:58
Saint Nicholas is the only real god.

Those bloody Yankees stole it from us, Americanized it and sell it as Santa Claus.

I guess that Saint Nicholas is political incorrect in US. He's having a personal black slave called Black Pete.

More about Saint Nicholas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas

Oh, grow up. Like Santa Claus/Odin/SinterKlaas/Kris Kringle/Saint Nicholas and Father Christmas aren't all the same idea? And don't let's forget La Befana... OMG! The Italians and English have gift-giving figures too!

And Saint Nick originated in Turkey, so where did you steal him from?
Gartref
17-10-2007, 01:58
Wrong. Santa Claus was never nailed to a cross; God was.

Santa Claus never died or shed his blood to pay for anybody's sins; God did.

I've never seen God and Santa in the same room. I know that doesn't prove anything... but it makes me suspicious. They could be the same person.
Kryozerkia
17-10-2007, 02:01
You are evading the question. People lie to me everyday. Why should I believe you or him?

Just trust me... (famous last words) Just trust me... :)

I think I would have more fear following your path.

Fear only exists if you let it exist. :)

You have to be an atheist to accept things that you don't know?

No, you have to accept that there is plenty of unknowns for which there may not yet be an explanation for. It's just another part of life.

Ahhhh, but who do you blame when things don't go right?

<insert comment about personal responsibility>

All atheists are equal?

As equal as people can be until a skill sets us apart from each other.

And all lived happily ever after? The end?

Yep. And afterward, we all sat around on the grass, while... birds sing and sap rises and the angels sigh*... ;)

* a cookie for anyone who can guess where this bit in Italics is from

Not worrying about the afterlife doesn't make it go away. You will still have to deal with God.

You're assuming you're right and the Atheists are wrong.

You could very well be wrong about God; there is no proof of his existence, so why worry about something that may not even exist? There is no actual proof of someone coming back from the dead as a spirit and telling us exactly what the afterlife is really all about.

There is nothing that proves 'salvation' and religion will put people in 'God's good graces'; that such things are even necessary.

Why should I worry about the afterlife, I'm going to be dead; D-E-A-D. Dead. Deader than a bag of rusty door nails. Dead as dead can be.
Kryozerkia
17-10-2007, 02:03
Children, I have to confess: edwinasia doesn't exist.

And neither does kryozerkia.

Of course it doesn't, it's a fictional country in a fantasy political game.
Bann-ed
17-10-2007, 02:19
Children, I have to confess: god doesn’t exist.

I’m very sorry, I hope you’ll forgive me someday, no?

God forgives you.

Oh...wait..
Kryozerkia
17-10-2007, 02:21
God forgives you.

Oh...wait..

Only Our Lord, Lunatic Goofballs has the divine authority to render that act of forgiveness.
Bann-ed
17-10-2007, 02:23
Yep. And afterward, we all sat around on the grass, while... birds sing and sap rises and the angels sigh*... ;)

* a cookie for anyone who can guess where this bit in Italics is from


Copperline, by James Taylor...oh. Guess...hehe..
Google has a 'g' in it tooo..
Kryozerkia
17-10-2007, 02:28
Copperline, by James Taylor...oh. Guess...hehe..
Google has a 'g' in it tooo..

Yay! :D :fluffle:
Deputy Dan
17-10-2007, 02:38
You're assuming you're right and the Atheists are wrong.

You could very well be wrong about God; there is no proof of his existence, so why worry about something that may not even exist? There is no actual proof of someone coming back from the dead as a spirit and telling us exactly what the afterlife is really all about.

There is nothing that proves 'salvation' and religion will put people in 'God's good graces'; that such things are even necessary.

Why should I worry about the afterlife, I'm going to be dead; D-E-A-D. Dead. Deader than a bag of rusty door nails. Dead as dead can be.

Well, perhaps I could be wrong, but by the same token, YOU could very well be wrong about the non-existence of God.

As for me, I'm not taking any chances; I'm assuming the worst (i.e. that mankind will wind up in a burning hell if he does not receive Jesus Christ as his personal Savior) and preparing for it (i.e. trusting Him and His blood to keep me out of hell and get me to heaven). If you want to hope for the best (e.g. that God doesn't exist, or if He does, that you're good enough by His standards to get into heaven on your own merit), that's your decision, but as for me, I'm playing it safe.

Only Our Lord, Lunatic Goofballs has the divine authority to render that act of forgiveness.

And no, I don't believe in the deity of Lunatic Goofballs. Based on his name, I believe in his idiocy (lol :D), but not his deity.
Three-Way
17-10-2007, 02:44
Truth.

I agree with you; I think he is confusing God with Santa.

And by the way, that is a cute little kitty you have for your avatar; I like it! :D
Katganistan
17-10-2007, 02:47
I agree with you; I think he is confusing God with Santa.

And by the way, that is a cute little kitty you have for your avatar; I like it! :D

Thanks. I figured it went with the nation name.
CanuckHeaven
17-10-2007, 03:54
Just trust me... (famous last words) Just trust me... :)
You have given me zero reasons to believe you or trust you. IF you can give me some compelling reasons to do so, then I might reconsider. :D

Fear only exists if you let it exist. :)
Then why are you full of fear?

I blog because I need a place where I can rant, whine, gripe, complain bemoan, groan, belittle, wail, and otherwise lament about the pathetic existence that is life.
Sounds like fun. :rolleyes:

No, you have to accept that there is plenty of unknowns for which there may not yet be an explanation for. It's just another part of life.
How does this set you as an atheist apart from a Christian?

<insert comment about personal responsibility>
Yet so many things are beyond our own "personal responsibility"?

As equal as people can be until a skill sets us apart from each other.
We are all created equal in the eyes of God. :)

Why should I worry about the afterlife, I'm going to be dead; D-E-A-D. Dead. Deader than a bag of rusty door nails. Dead as dead can be.
IF you truly believe that your life is indeed finite, why do you bother wasting so much of your precious time trying to get people to "convert" to your Godless world?
Lacadaemon
17-10-2007, 03:58
Oh, grow up. Like Santa Claus/Odin/SinterKlaas/Kris Kringle/Saint Nicholas and Father Christmas aren't all the same idea? And don't let's forget La Befana... OMG! The Italians and English have gift-giving figures too!

And Saint Nick originated in Turkey, so where did you steal him from?

Odin?

I'm not sure he's at all the same as Father Christmas.
Kryozerkia
17-10-2007, 04:01
You have given me zero reasons to believe you or trust you. IF you can give me some compelling reasons to do so, then I might reconsider. :D

Well... uh... you can trust me because you like me. :)

Uh... compelling reasons you say? You make a very persuasive argument. Well, you can trust me because I've admitted when I'm wrong.

Then why are you full of fear?

Cynicism, and jaded commentary are just a part of my personality. Whining is not fear... it's just a whole lot of really loud complaining. :)

How does this set you as an atheist apart from a Christian?

The fact that the unknown isn't attributed to 'God'.

Yet so many things are beyond our own "personal responsibility"?

I inferred that it was within the realm of control. You simply assumed it meant all.

We are all created equal in the eyes of God. :)

Unless of course you and another person don't share the same god, then you're suddenly not equal.

IF you truly believe that your life is indeed finite, why do you bother wasting so much of your precious time trying to get people to "convert" to your Godless world?

So I can enjoy my finite days without hearing about how I'm a hell bound heathen.
Bann-ed
17-10-2007, 04:11
Oh, grow up. Like Santa Claus/Odin/SinterKlaas/Kris Kringle/Saint Nicholas and Father Christmas aren't all the same idea? And don't let's forget La Befana... OMG! The Italians and English have gift-giving figures too!

And Saint Nick originated in Turkey, so where did you steal him from?

La Befana is creeepy... (http://www.cbai.com.au/pics/la%20befana4.JPG)
Edwinasia
17-10-2007, 07:20
Wrong. Santa Claus was never nailed to a cross; God was.

Santa Claus never died or shed his blood to pay for anybody's sins; God did.

Santa Claus is dead

There are about 2 billion children of the age 18 or below in the world, but since Santa Claus will ignore those believing in Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and Buddhism (except Japan), therefore according to the data from Census, the workload of Santa Claus includes only 15% of all the children, i.e. 378 million. According to statistics, there are on average 3.5 children in each family, so if we assume that there is at least one good child in each family, then Santa Claus has to go to 108 million families.

Thanks to the self rotation of the earth and different time zones, if Santa Claus starts his journey from the East, and goes along to the West, then he would have around 31 hours of Christmas to finish his job. In this period, he must visit 967.7 families per second, i.e., putting the gifts in the stockings, placing the remaining gifts under the Christmas Tree, climbing up the chimney, jumping on to the sleigh and depart for the next family.

For simplicity, let us assume that the 108 million families are evenly distributed on the surface of the earth. Then, the average distance between 2 families are about 780m, and the whole journey is as long as 75,500,000km, and this doesn't include taking rests and going to bathroom. Therefore the Santa Claus's Sleigh needs to travel in a speed of at least 650km/s, about 3000 times the speed of sound. Comparatively, the fastest ever artificially accelerated solar probe - Ulysses, travels at a sluggish speed of 27.4km/s only. Superman can fly at 1km/s. An ordinary reindeer at most can just run at 15km/h.

There is another issue about loading. Assume that the gift that each child receives is just an ordinary Lego package (about 2 lb), then merely the gifts will consist of 500,000 tons. On earth, an ordinary reindeer can pull a weight of 300 lb. Assume that a flying reindeer has 10 times the power of an ordinary one, then Santa Claus still requires 360,000 flying reindeers to transport the gifts. But the total weight of 360,000 flying reindeers itself weights over 54000 tons, together with a sleigh that can afford such a weight of loading, this makes the total weight over 600,000 tons. This is about the weight of 30 Godzilla, or 78 Queen Elizabeth Ocean Liner.

Similar to a space shuttle traveling back to earth, an object of 600,000 tons traveling at a speed of 650km/s in the atmosphere will have friction with the air and generate heat. The 2 reindeers in the front of the group will absorb 1.43 x 10^19 Joule energy per second, this make the poor reindeers explode in an instance, and the power will involve all the other reindeers behind and all of them will explode into ashes. Furthermore, the Ultrasonic wave pulse generated by traveling at 3000 times the speed of sound will destroy all the troop of reindeers, the sleigh and the gifts, everything will dissipate into thin air in the period of 0.00426 second, this is exactly when Santa Claus reaches the 5th family.

However, all of the above are not important anyway. This is because when Santa Claus accelerated from rest to 650km/s in a period of 0.001 second, (recall that Santa Claus need to visit about 1000 families in 1 second) he must withstand 17,500G of gravitational acceleration. Even if Santa Claus is as slim as 250 lb only, he will still be crushed onto the backseat of the sleigh by 4,315,015 lb of pressure acting on him, crushing his organs and skeleton in an instance, leaving only a mince of meat.

Therefore, if there were Santa Claus, he would be dead.
Edwinasia
17-10-2007, 07:46
Of course it doesn't, it's a fictional country in a fantasy political game.

So is god. He's just a fictional creature in some fantasy game.
Edwinasia
17-10-2007, 07:48
Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Proverbs 13:16
…a fool flaunts his folly.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 10:1
A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.


God seems to disagree with your assessment of the situation.


And this is written in the bible?

Oh, I'll convert now! Where can I sign?