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Now that we've had several food-themed threads, I have decided to throw a NSG-wide cookout. If you know where I live, please don't come, but everyone else is invited. Anyway, I would like to know how many squirrels to kill, so who here is a vegetarian? Why?

There's a poll a comin'.

Is this going to be about how squirrels, rabbits, and other animals are slaughtered inadvertently in the grain harvesting machines?

I don't know what I killed indirectly to eat any food that is non-meat based, and I have yet to go out and throttle a deer myself. *shrugs*

I only kill brain cells for my pleasure - for my meat-eating requirements, I like to avoid the ethical question by allowing large factories, far far away to do the job for me.

When young and on a farm, I was sometimes told to go out and strangle and pluck a chicken for dinner - at first it was fairly horrifying but, after a while, murder becomes rather mundane.

Is this going to be about how squirrels, rabbits, and other animals are slaughtered inadvertently in the grain harvesting machines?

I don't know what I killed indirectly to eat any food that is non-meat based, and I have yet to go out and throttle a deer myself. *shrugs*

No, the cookout story is just a cover. I'm really only curious in learning who is a vegetarian and what their reasons are. Or, if you're not a vegetarian, what your reasons are if you have any.

No, the cookout story is just a cover. I'm really only curious in learning who is a vegetarian and what their reasons are. Or, if you're not a vegetarian, what your reasons are if you have any.

Ah...sneaky.

I eat both meat and plant matter because the human species is omnivorous. I am not a big fan of most meats, but I do like them now and then. Bread is some good stuff...beans and whatnot.
Basically I tend to like food.

I seem to recall reading that, on average, vegetarians have an IQ five points higher than the average, while vegans have an IQ five points lower than the average. I'll try and find the link.

I am an omnivore, by the way.

The last time I actually killed my own food was about 2 weeks ago when I boiled 3 Maine lobsters. There is a bit of guilt as you place them head-first into the scalding water, but this feeling is forgotten later as you dip it's wonderful meat into drawn butter.

I seem to recall reading that, on average, vegetarians have an IQ five points higher than the average, while vegans have an IQ five points lower than the average. I'll try and find the link.

I am an omnivore, by the way.

Who comes up with these studies? :p

Lets see if we can find out the correlation between physical height and the average length of one's posts on NSG.

The last time I actually killed my own food was about 2 weeks ago when I boiled 3 Maine lobsters. There is a bit of guilt as you place them head-first into the scalding water, but this feeling is forgotten later as you dip it's wonderful meat into drawn butter.

Lobsters might not actually feel pain, though, if that is what you were upset about. Article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/tech/main673989.shtml).

It might sound crazy but I actually base my diet on the food pyramid. You know the one that the whole health community agrees to but nobody follows?

I'm omnivorous because that's how I evolved.

I'm carnivorous.

Lobsters might not actually feel pain, though, if that is what you were upset about. Article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/tech/main673989.shtml).

Yeah, I know about that study.... but it's kinda like taking the word of a Tobacco institute scientist about the safety of cigarettes.

While I still consume meat and dairy, I've developed a preference for organically grown fruits and vegetables and frozen food items that are prepared vegetarian/vegan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy%27s_Kitchen). Probably 90-95% of my diet is some kind of vegetarian.

So I guess I'm an omnivore whose stomach is turned by Big Ag's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_processing#Prominent_Companies) political-economic organization and effect on food safety. I prefer small and local as the fewer strange fingers that touch my food between the Earth and my mouth the better. That, and the fact that this "high fructose corn syrup" stuff seems to be in e v e r y t h i n g.

So, I'll say "Other" -- Omnivore who does give a damn

My actions may have led to the deaths of spermatazoan...:p

I don't think anyone wanted to know that.

What did you kill for your own pleasure?
Time.


What did you kill for your own pleasure?
Your nation.

It might sound crazy but I actually base my diet on the food pyramid. You know the one that the whole health community agrees to but nobody follows?

I'm not basing my diet on some ancient Egyptian death-cult.

It's not food unless something suffers.




Just kidding...



...but chickens do have it coming....little bastards...

My actions may have led to the deaths of spermatazoan...:p

I don't think anyone wanted to know that.

Cannibal!

Yeah, I know about that study.... but it's kinda like taking the word of a Tobacco institute scientist about the safety of cigarettes.

Don't know about that. Seems pretty legitimate.

The study, which was funded by the Norwegian government and written by a scientist at the University of Oslo, suggests that lobsters and other invertebrates probably don't suffer even if lobsters do tend to thrash in boiling water.

And it isn't the only study that has drawn this conclusion.

It's not food unless something suffers.




Just kidding...



...but chickens do have it coming....little bastards...

I've long held then opinion that chickens are actually better placed in the vegetable food group.

Cannibal!


Er...ugh..no, no digestion involved. *shudders*

I'm a vegitarian. For ecological and economic reasons. I guess you could call them ethical, but it sure as fuck aint for the animals.

I'm also a very bad vegitarian. Then again, YOU try eating vegitarian at a college caffeteria.

I'm omniverous, 1) because it makes eating healthy a lot easier. Having to figure out how to get all my nutrients from only plants would take too much energy from me. I know other people already know, but I just don't care figure it out and get my diet adjusted. 2) I have no moral qualms or religion whatsoever, so I kind of look at vegetarians like they're weidos (aren't they?) and 3) meat makes me fuller faster and feels good in my tummy. Come on, who doesn't like the feeling fo meat in their stomach? (It might taste bad in your mouth and that' you're a vegetarian, but you can't say it feels bad in your stomach!) That makes me so happy! Especially sleep-inducing turkey... three cheers for tyiptophan!:p

I'm also a very bad vegitarian. Then again, YOU try eating vegitarian at a college caffeteria.


I did and now I'm hungry :(

Also: It might sound crazy but I actually base my diet on the food pyramid. You know the one that the whole health community agrees to but nobody follows?
The food pyramid contains meat and meat alternatives.

I'm also a very bad vegitarian. Then again, YOU try eating vegitarian at a college caffeteria.That is the main reason I haven't attempted it yet. I have not been to all the restaurants on campus, but I have yet to see one* that has a vegetarian meal. This is Vancouver, so I should be able to find one.

I must admit, I have not looked much. I haven't even found the sushi place yet.

*Soup is not a fucking meal.

I am an omnivore, but may soon be sort of vegetarian. I believe it to be more efficient and better for the environment to eat less meat, so at christmas I'm going to try being vegetarian. After christmas dinner. >.>

I did and now I'm hungry :(

Also:
The food pyramid contains meat and meat alternatives.And states that both are involved. If they meant either, they would have said meat or meat alternatives.

I am apparently -more- "canibilistic" as Bann-ed, and as local shop/farm minded as The Loyal Opposition; what does that make me?
:confused:
Rafe,
OOC

Now that we've had several food-themed threads, I have decided to throw a NSG-wide cookout. If you know where I live, please don't come, but everyone else is invited. Anyway, I would like to know how many squirrels to kill, so who here is a vegetarian? Why?

There's a poll a comin'.

I am an omnivore, but may soon be sort of vegetarian. I believe it to be more efficient and better for the environment to eat less meat, so at christmas I'm going to try being vegetarian. After christmas dinner. >.>

After Christmas I'm going to post weekly thread along the lines of:

Chicken, how good is that?
Tuna, better with mayonnaise or simply toasted with pepper on toast?

Or just:

Roast chicken...mmmm.

I might add pictures.

After Christmas I'm going to post weekly thread along the lines of:

Chicken, how good is that?
Tuna, better with mayonnaise or simply toasted with pepper on toast?

Or just:

Roast chicken...mmmm.

I might add pictures.

And this will be worse than me having to walk past the rotisserie in the supermarket... how? :p

*Soup is not a fucking meal.

Tell me about it...

And yes, my lunch was Garden Vegitable Soup. It was foul, but it was better than "Hazlenut Burgers".

Tell me about it...

And yes, my lunch was Garden Vegitable Soup. It was foul, but it was better than "Hazlenut Burgers".You poor soul. Even non-vegetarian menus have better vegetarian options.

Looking on the web, there are two restaurants on campus that offer vegetarian cuisine. I also found the sushi place (not that I eat the stuff, the point is more that I found it).

I eat meat because I could not physically eat and afford the amount I would need to be vegitarian, or, worse yet, vegan.

I struggle to do it with meat as is, and need protein suppliments

You poor soul. Even non-vegetarian menus have better vegetarian options.

Looking on the web, there are two restaurants on campus that offer vegetarian cuisine. I also found the sushi place (not that I eat the stuff, the point is more that I found it).

I'm at a small, liberal arts college (which is actually one of the higher-rated vegitarian schools on PETAs Vegitarian Friendly list, according to Wiki) with one caffeteria. There are a few tolerable Vegitarian dishes that I do my best to oscillate between, but then there are the Hazlenut burgers and the Acorn Patties (seriously. Ever eaten bark?)

I'm at a small, liberal arts college (which is actually one of the higher-rated vegitarian schools on PETAs Vegitarian Friendly list, according to Wiki) with one caffeteria. There are a few tolerable Vegitarian dishes that I do my best to oscillate between, but then there are the Hazlenut burgers and the Acorn Patties (seriously. Ever eaten bark?)I am at the second biggest university in the province. It does not have its own cafeteria, but rather a shitload of private restaurants. I can only think of three chains(Mr Sub, White Spot Triple-O's, and Renaissance Coffee(there are actually three RC's on campus)), the rest are all smaller specialty places.

Now that we've had several food-themed threads, I have decided to throw a NSG-wide cookout. If you know where I live, please don't come, but everyone else is invited. Anyway, I would like to know how many squirrels to kill, so who here is a vegetarian? Why?

There's a poll a comin'.
Oh. I had an answer that doesn't quite fit within the parameters of your poll options .... imagine that.

I am at the second biggest university in the province. It does not have its own cafeteria, but rather a shitload of private restaurants. I can only think of three chains(Mr Sub, White Spot Triple-O's, and Renaissance Coffee(there are actually three RC's on campus)), the rest are all smaller specialty places.

Yeah, one of the Schools I looked at: George Washington University was like that. However, I didn't get in there because they got a shit-ton of applications and while I was normally within their admittance range, last year, I was not.

Oh. I had an answer that doesn't quite fit within the parameters of your poll options .... imagine that.Well, please explain it so we can include it in future revisions.

Well, please explain it so we can include it in future revisions.

Nah, it's probably better that i don't go there.
Trust me.

I'm fairly carnivorous. It would take a lot of effort on my part to get enough protein and such without meat. My family seems to genetically tend towards not really having enough, and so we seem to be naturally somewhat carnivorous as a result.

Nah, it's probably better that i don't go there.
Trust me.

you starting eating the weasels instead of doing the weasel dance?

i'm a vegertarian.
why?
i don't think life should be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

Night Light;13138788']i'm a vegertarian.
why?
i don't think life should be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

I've never seen anything be born that isn't destroyed, so I'm going to assume that you beleive people should stop having children altogether.

I've never seen anything be born that isn't destroyed, so I'm going to assume that you beleive people should stop having children altogether.

for the Purpose of being destroyed. Everything dies but not everything is conceved, carried to term, nursed, and then pulled away to be slaughtered.

Night Light;13138795']for the Purpose of being destroyed. Everything dies but not everything is conceved, carried to term, nursed, and then pulled away to be slaughtered.

There's really no difference between being slaughtered and dying from lack of decent Health Care, or of starvation. Everyone is born to die, and the means of death are of little import to us when we aren't confronted with them directly. I care a lot more about human animals and the intensity of their suffering than the relatively mild suffering of a cow or chicken.

I believe that everything is born to live.
..that's all.

Night Light;13138803']I believe that everything is born to live.
..that's all.

Tell that to my two stillborn cousins.

Night Light;13138795']for the Purpose of being destroyed. Everything dies but not everything is conceved, carried to term, nursed, and then pulled away to be slaughtered.
"The lion gave the antelope its speed" has a fun implication here.

The last thing I killed for pleasure was a fruit fly that invaded my kitchen. That was, I assure you, quite quite gratifying. :p

I'm on Loyal Opposition's side of the street. I'm an omnivore that cares what goes into the earth *and* what goes into my body. If I didn't have some meat, I'd get sick in a big hurry. I guess you could say I'm addicted to meat...in the same way I'm addicted to dihydrogen monoxide.

And speaking of...I need my hourly fix... [glug glug glug glug]

Those hazelnut burgers actually sound pretty good. I got some ground turkey and hazelnuts on my last shopping trip, maybe I'll mix some chopped hazelnuts into a turkey meatloaf tomorrow night...

i eat most things that don't kill me first.

unless the're really interesting and creative.

=^^=
.../\...

I'm omnivorous because of DNA, IBS, culture, and bloody taste buds.

Did you know that the ancestors of the humans differentiated from the ancestors of the gorillas because the human ancestors became omnivorous and the gorilla ancestors became vegetarians?

I'm lazy, I let other people kill my food for me.

What did you kill for your own pleasure?The radio star.

I regularly hunt and eat vegetarians, if they're going to eat like a domesticated animal, then I'm damn well gonna treat them as such :p

My perfect dish is a whole wheat pasta dish, with pomodoro sauce, green peppers, onions and a couple of ounces of crumbled spicy Italian sausage. As such: Omnivore baby, yeeeeaaah!

I hunted down and killed a slug that had got into my kitchen, though I didn't eat it. I won't say it gave me pleasure , more a sense of satisfaction.

Dammit! All these Vegetarians coming out of the woodwork... Where is Hambo when you need him? These people need to be cured!

Also, I'm an Omnivore myself. It's the way we evolved. It's the healthiest way to live.

Also, of course Lobster's feel pain. Pain is a sense. It tells you something is wrong with your body. Are you telling me Lobster's magically can't tell that they are being plunged into an environment they aren't suited to? Pain is nature's freakin' alarm bell.

I only kill insects.

I eat animals, fishes, vegetables but few fast food.

Vegetarian.

Did you know that the ancestors of the humans differentiated from the ancestors of the gorillas because the human ancestors became omnivorous and the gorilla ancestors became vegetarians?
Umm... not really. Chimps are omnivores too, if you didn't notice.

Humans are different because our ancestors left the jungle and started walking.

I eat meat, fish, vegetables and minerals. I've probably eaten a load of other things as well (prokaryotes, etc), but am determined to remain blissfully unaware of that fact.

I'm not a vegetarian namley because meat tastes good and vegeies and Vegans freak me out with their utter shock at the meat industry as if we had lined dozens of humans against the wall, shot, and ate them.

No, the cookout story is just a cover. I'm really only curious in learning who is a vegetarian and what their reasons are. Or, if you're not a vegetarian, what your reasons are if you have any.
So it started out that I felt bad to be indirectly killing animals. I continue to be vegetarian because eating meat is unnecessary, slaughterhouse conditions are cruel (as are the way the animals are raised), it's more sustainable to eat a vegetarian diet, the antibiotics and hormones injected into meat don't seem like they'd be good for people et c. I've considered going vegan, but really, I like cheese and milk chocolate too much.
Also, I don't miss meat. The mouth-watering at the sight of a hamburger commercial stopped after a year or so, the only meat I somewhat miss is chicken wings, but that's more for the extra hot sauce. If some place was putting that stuff on tofu I'd gobble it up like there's no tomorrow.

I'm not a vegetarian namley because meat tastes good and vegeies and Vegans freak me out with their utter shock at the meat industry as if we had lined dozens of humans against the wall, shot, and ate them.
No, we just have millions of cows barely stunned, strung upside down with their throats slit while they're still alive.

Just because something isn't human doesn't mean it can't feel pain and shouldn't be treated humanely.

No, we just have millions of cows barely stunned, strung upside down with their throats slit while they're still alive.

Just because something isn't human doesn't mean it can't feel pain and shouldn't be treated humanely.

Now where do you live where they do that? And I'm not going to listen to anyone who trys to tell me the "horrors of meat" I'm a damn human being, I can eat what I want.

Now where do you live where they do that? And I'm not going to listen to anyone who trys to tell me the "horrors of meat" I'm a damn human being, I can eat what I want.
I live in Canada. We use the same slaughtering methods as the US. The animals are supposed to be stunned before being strung up and slaughtered, but often they're only partially stunned (or fully conscious) the fact that they have to keep the line moving means that the animals are killed, sometimes fully awake.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60798-2001Apr9?language=printer

I nearly crashed my browser getting that link too.

Dakini, a diet based solely on vegetables isn't healthier than a meat-based or balanced diet.

Too much meat, you don't get essential vitamin's and such.
Too many vegetables and you don't get proper levels of protein and such.

We're all omnivores people. Deal with it.

I'm all for more humane treatment of slaughter animals though. Some companies are simply deplorable in thier methods.

It's pretty sad. I'm sure some of our British posters might recall a recent incident where a truckload of chickens went off the road and the chickens fell out of thier tightly packed boxes. It was pretty much treated as a joke in the papers.

"Ha ha ha the chickens got out, it's so funny. It's like Chicken Run."

Of course everyone failed to mention that not only where these chickens literally stuffed into crates, sandwiched between themselves, during transit, but a great many chickens died horribly. Crushed under tires, stabbed with splinters from broken boxes, suffocated. A lot of them had to be put down at the scene. The worst thing about this is that they didn't even have to endure this journey in the first place. There was a slaughterhouse not too far away from where the chickens came from, but the company wanted to use a larger slaughterhouse to process them that wasn't local.

I am currently an omnivore. I have in the past been a vegetarian and a vegan.

I currently kill flowers for my own pleasure, I like the way the look on my table, so I kill them.

They need to be shot...plus their sh*t stinks, really!!! :sniper:

Umm... not really. Chimps are omnivores too, if you didn't notice.

Humans are different because our ancestors left the jungle and started walking.

Hell, Gorillas are also omnivores.

Although, saying chimps and humans are A, so that shows we didn't split off from gorillas for that reason is wrong. Humans and chimps share a more recent common ancestor than gorillas and proto-human-chimp

They need to be shot...plus their sh*t stinks, really!!! :sniper:

I defy you to find shit that doesn't stink.

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Dakini, a diet based solely on vegetables isn't healthier than a meat-based or balanced diet.
I didn't say it was. I said that there was less animal cruelty involved and that it's more sustainable. Although a diet of vegetables, fruits, nuts and beans is just as healthy as an omnivorous one.

Too much meat, you don't get essential vitamin's and such.
Too many vegetables and you don't get proper levels of protein and such.
Except that half the dry mass of every living thing is protein and really, we don't need that much protein.

We're all omnivores people. Deal with it.
Ok... except that I'm not going to eat meat. I haven't for the past seven years. Oh look, I'm perfectly healthy despite my lack of meat intake, what do you know.

I'm all for more humane treatment of slaughter animals though. Some companies are simply deplorable in thier methods.
Make that most, possibly all...

The worst thing about this is that they didn't even have to endure this journey in the first place. There was a slaughterhouse not too far away from where the chickens came from, but the company wanted to use a larger slaughterhouse to process them that wasn't local.
So the worst thing wasn't that the chickens were stuffed into boxes which are probably the same ones they'd lived in their whole lives, but that the company was transporting them?

Hell, Gorillas are also omnivores.
I thought that this might be the case.

Although, saying chimps and humans are A, so that shows we didn't split off from gorillas for that reason is wrong. Humans and chimps share a more recent common ancestor than gorillas and proto-human-chimp
Well, I'm pretty sure that the poster was trying to imply that we're only intelligent because we evolved to incorporate meat into our diet.

I just think that we've become intelligent enough to find other ways to eat.*


*note: I'm not saying that people who eat meat are stupid.

So the worst thing wasn't that the chickens were stuffed into boxes which are probably the same ones they'd lived in their whole lives, but that the company was transporting them?

Well they wouldn't be stuffed in those boxes etcetera for an excruciating, long journey if they didn't have to transport them. And they couldn't possibly live in those boxes. They'd all have been dead long before if that were the case.

It's horrible, I know. And I try to campaign against these sort of conditions. I don't eat from the worst offending company's I know of i.e MacDonalds.

But in the end I eat meat. And unfortunately it's rather hard for me to hunt for my own, so I'm forced into getting it from a supermarket. If I could hunt my meat myself, I'd end it in a manner befitting of them, swiftly and practically painlessly.

I didn't say it was. I said that there was less animal cruelty involved and that it's more sustainable. Although a diet of vegetables, fruits, nuts and beans is just as healthy as an omnivorous one.


Except that half the dry mass of every living thing is protein and really, we don't need that much protein.
Yes, there is alot of protein out there. However, with very few exceptions, most plants have incomplete proteins. For example, peanuts have a huge amount of protein, but lack 3 essential amino acids. It has to be paired with milk or whole grains to form a complete protein. Meat, on the other hand, contains all complete proteins.

I thought that this might be the case.


Well, I'm pretty sure that the poster was trying to imply that we're only intelligent because we evolved to incorporate meat into our diet.

I just think that we've become intelligent enough to find other ways to eat.*


*note: I'm not saying that people who eat meat are stupid.
Well, to be fair, the introduction of meat into our diets is quite probably what enabled our distant ancestors to develop larger brains. That doesn't mean that today we need to eat meat, as we can otherwise get that much protein...but meat is a very efficient source.

To quote a once great man, Meat is murder, and murder is delicious.

I'm for "Eat meat but feel guilty about it"

I'm an omnivore for several reasons:

1. I love food. Of all kinds.
2. I find the cuisine of various cultures (personal favorite: Italian) to be both delicious and fascinating, and I find it hard to experience that with a lack of either meat or vegetables. Kobe Beef is one of the most delicious things I've ever had.
3. My body is a product of evolution, and has been conditioned to like both meat and vegetables.
4. I find getting my proper dietary requirements to be easier with an omnivorous diet than vegetarian.
5. I happen to not particularly care about where my food comes from. That is your crusade. When I kill my own food, I treat it humanely (One shot, one kill, instantaneous death!), clean it, cook it, and eat it. If a company uses crappy animal treatment practices, make it public. If enough people care, the market will punish them.

Well they wouldn't be stuffed in those boxes etcetera for an excruciating, long journey if they didn't have to transport them. And they couldn't possibly live in those boxes. They'd all have been dead long before if that were the case.
Umm.. no, do you know anything about how chickens are raised?

Yes, there is alot of protein out there. However, with very few exceptions, most plants have incomplete proteins. For example, peanuts have a huge amount of protein, but lack 3 essential amino acids. It has to be paired with milk or whole grains to form a complete protein. Meat, on the other hand, contains all complete proteins.
Yes, and it's not particularly hard to balance your diet and eat the proper combination of amino acids.

Well, to be fair, the introduction of meat into our diets is quite probably what enabled our distant ancestors to develop larger brains. That doesn't mean that today we need to eat meat, as we can otherwise get that much protein...but meat is a very efficient source.
Yeah.

Yes, and it's not particularly hard to balance your diet and eat the proper combination of amino acids.


True, but my friends are idiots and don't believe me about the entire "Whole protein" concept. Idiots.

None the less, I would have a hard time with it as I dislike beans and, even with a high-meat diet, need whey protein suppliments daily or get really bad leg cramps. Interestingly enough, tho, I was raised vegitarian with the exception of fish (yes, technically pescetarian, but I hate that word for some reason.)

this poll is somewhat bias,it offers several different explanations for vegetarians,but it puts all the omnivores into one apathetic group,and makes it sound like omnivores are some kind of ass backwards low I.Q. inbreds.

I cant be arsed to read all the thread lol... its early in the morning

but i'm vegitarian for etical reasons

i dont want to demand the slaghter of animals

i dont want to have any part in the meat industry where animals are frequently put through unnecessary torture

i dont want other living beings to have to suffer for me to live

i dont want to have a heart attack

i dont want to be obese



basically being vegitarian in general makes for a healthier person in general (loads of studys to back this up)

vegiatarinas have higher IQ on average, it is thought that the higher IQ comes first though, with vegiatarians being able to rationalise that the slaughter and consumption of animals in a modern day society has no benefits and is totally brbaric

also there is massive over consuption in the west, it takes far more crops to feed up and animal for slaughter than it would to eat those crops yourself and it would be better for you, so go veg to help save the starving children

say no to deforestation with acres and acres being chopped down to raise lifestock

i know the main argument throught this thread without looking will be nutrients, there is noting you cant get from plant food for optimal helth, if you look in the mirror and see a fat blob of a person and then defend your meat eating by saying you wont get all your nutrients i doubt your health is high on your agenda and your defence would be a total falsehood anyway, you are much more likley to be nutrient deficient with a high proportion of meat in your diet

oh and then there is the fact that modern day farming techniques use a host of chemicals incuding steriods for faster growth (that frequently see chickens growing so quickly that their legs can support them and and up with deformities or broken legs... not that they are usually allowed to move much anyway) so as i was saying its been shown that this host of chemicals is finding its way into humans


what else... well there is the cost, being veg is much cheaper (hardly a massive point though)

basiacally its such a small sacrifice to give up meat, the ony real reason people eat it is because it tastes naice to them and they are too selfish to see any of the implications.. but its a huge sacrifice to the animal if you do eat meat


just as our ancestors gradually moved away from eating each other mankind is gradually moving away from eating animals, do you want to be part of a peacful future or part of the barbaric past?

i need to go back to bed i cant be bothered with checking this over, it probs dosent make much sense and ive probs left some huge thinge out be hey ho night






oh and 1 more thing..... neither chicken or fish are vegetables!!!!

Seeing the thread title, I leapt at the chance to confess my sadistic enjoyment of killing annoying buzzing insects.

Pedantically speaking, annoying buzzing insects are the only thing I kill for my own pleasure. They really send me into a killing frenzy. Just yesterday, I bruised my forearm and knocked a painting off the wall, lunging bodily at a blowfly. It had been on the wing for almost a minute, and I knew it would need a fair long rest (say ten seconds) so I grabbed a shirt and tried to crash-tackle it.

Then I let it fly away. My rage was spent.

Congrats on writing a poll which only half sucks, btw. I voted #3 though it isn't exactly accurate ... I'm not entirely sure why I'm a vego, but I am. In my next life, I will probably be a frog.

I cant be arsed to read all the thread lol... its early in the morning

but i'm vegitarian for etical reasons

i dont want to demand the slaghter of animals

i dont want to have any part in the meat industry where animals are frequently put through unnecessary torture

i dont want other living beings to have to suffer for me to live

Buy a gun and go hunting! No cruelty there, no killing in another's name. One moment Bambi is nibbling daisies, the next you have a year's supply of meat. Organic, free-range meat. Mmmm.

i dont want to have a heart attack

i dont want to be obese

Oh yada yada. You'll be one of those skinny ninety-year-olds whose moral superiority is enough to make people cross the road to stay away from you.

basically being vegitarian in general makes for a healthier person in general (loads of studys to back this up)

Yeah yeah. Don't you get tired of being right?

vegiatarinas have higher IQ on average, it is thought that the higher IQ comes first though, with vegiatarians being able to rationalise that the slaughter and consumption of animals in a modern day society has no benefits and is totally brbaric

"It is thought"?? Not by me. I would guess that a higher IQ leads to vegetarianism because intelligent people value mental activity more ... and the burden of digesting meat has a soporific effect. They like the mental clarity, and all that moralistic pigswill is, to use your term, rationalisation.

Still, if you want to quote a source, I'll read it.

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Obviously spellcheck causes intolerable suffering to countless innocent animals. I mean, what the hell is a vegiatarian? Since you apparently are one?

Vegos like you get my goat. Do what you want to do, quit trying to guilt others into doing likewise. It puts up the price of vegetables and tofu.

I killed a whole bunch of mussels just this weekend.

They would have died anyway.

It's been a while since I've actually killed a vertebrate.

Omnivore.

I don't buy the argument that 'Meat eaters are cruel people who'd be willing to kill the poor animal for the pleasure of their taste buds.'
What about plants? Can you prove that they really don't 'feel' anything when we slash and tear off their parts?
What we do to plants is pretty much worse than what we do to animals if you think about it. Just because thay don't seem to react does not mean that it does not affect them. They could be screaming in their own way. We torture them will no concern because so far there is no proof of feeling in them.
Lots of things are yet to be proved.

Also the human body is not that delicate than meat will cause some great complications in the long run. It is not matter of what but of how much of what you eat. Meat eaters can be as healthy as vegens can be. Heart attacks and obesity may be more in the meat eater relm but that doesn't mean vegens are immune to it. Honestly, if you just cook your food right you can reduce the risk of those by quite a bit.

Also, if we'd stuck to meat we'd probably wouldn't have developed ourselves as much. Hunting requires tools, skill and practice. Not saying that farmers are a bunch of dolts but you have to give quite some credit to our ancestor hunters.

As for the economic aspect, I think it'd be better to work towards a goal so that when you live your life 'in the real world' being a vegen or meat eater won't be the basis on whether your bills get paid on time or not.

So yeah, there is no 'better' eating habbit out of the two. To each his own really. Meat eaters just have a larger inventory though. :D

They would have died anyway.



If I'm ever up on a murder charge, I think I'll make that my case. My entire case.

"Crikey judge, we all gotta DIE. What's the big deal?"

Seeing the thread title, I leapt at the chance to confess my sadistic enjoyment of killing annoying buzzing insects.

Pedantically speaking, annoying buzzing insects are the only thing I kill for my own pleasure.

This is true. In the interests of international pedantry, I shall admit that the only thing I enjoy killing is a wasp. Little aggressive obnoxious bastards.

True, but my friends are idiots and don't believe me about the entire "Whole protein" concept. Idiots.
Well, your friends are idiots, what can I tell you.

None the less, I would have a hard time with it as I dislike beans and, even with a high-meat diet, need whey protein suppliments daily or get really bad leg cramps.
That's fair enough. I don't really care if anyone else is vegetarian, so long as they serve at least one non-meat side dish that I can pig out on should they invite me over for dinner. :P

Interestingly enough, tho, I was raised vegitarian with the exception of fish (yes, technically pescetarian, but I hate that word for some reason.)
Incidently, I hate pescatarians who call themselves vegetarians. You would not believe how many people assumed I ate fish because some jackass who eats fish told them they're vegetarian.

I killed the beat.

but i'm vegitarian for etical reasons
i dont want to demand the slaghter of animals
i dont want to have any part in the meat industry where animals are frequently put through unnecessary torture
i dont want other living beings to have to suffer for me to live

Your choice here.


i dont want to have a heart attack
i dont want to be obese

This isn't ethical reasons. 1st fail...

Also, heart attacks and obesity aren't a consequence of eating meat. They can be a consequence of constitution and eating TOO MUCH. Eat one kg of potatoes and one kg of wheat per day for one year, while avoiding meat, refrain from doing sports, and we'll talk about obesity.
My doc once forced me to a diet with almost no cereals at all (I used to eat large quantities of pasta or rice two times per day before), few vegetables because of IBS, but more red meat. I lost 8 kg in 2 months.


basically being vegitarian in general makes for a healthier person in general (loads of studys to back this up)


There are plenty of examples that having an omnivorous diet is better.
1.We're humans and not gorillas because the common ancestor of humans became omnivorous, thus having access to better nutrition than the gorilla ancestor. We build civilisations, the gorillas stay seated, trying to digest the leaves they eat.
2.Plenty of stupid vegetarian parents have forced a vegetarian diet on their newborns. The newborns all suffered from grave lack of nutrition.
3.Back in XIX century, farmers of rural Italy had plenty of vegetables but very few fresh meat (they could afford fresh meat only once per week). Many starved to death, expecially kids; almost everyone showed diseases related to lack of vitamins and amminoacids.
4.My almost-father-in-law, as a kid, was forced for one year to an almost-entirely vegetarian diet - there was WW2. He didn't gain a single inch in height. As soon as he began to eat meat again, he resumed growth.

vegiatarinas have higher IQ on average, it is thought that the higher IQ comes first though, with vegiatarians being able to rationalise that the slaughter and consumption of animals in a modern day society has no benefits and is totally brbaric

...so you claim to have an higher IQ while writing "vegiatarinas" and "vegiatarians" instead of "vegetarians", and then "brbaric" instead of "barbaric"...
Also, claiming that a behaviour is "brbaric" attains to the field of ethics. IQ is an attempted measurement of logical-mathematical and spatial abilities, not of ethical abilities. (I usually score above 130 IQ, and the tests were taken in a foreign language)
By the way, Hitler was vegetarian, and Leonardo da Vinci and Galileo Galilei weren't. So?
2nd fail!

i know the main argument throught this thread without looking will be nutrients, there is noting you cant get from plant food for optimal helth, if you look in the mirror and see a fat blob of a person and then defend your meat eating by saying you wont get all your nutrients i doubt your health is high on your agenda and your defence would be a total falsehood anyway, you are much more likley to be nutrient deficient with a high proportion of meat in your diet

Eating meat doesn't mean eating just meat, or eating mainly meat. Example, I'm omnivorous, not carnivorous. Also, B-group vitamines.
3rd fail!

oh and then there is the fact that modern day farming techniques use a host of chemicals incuding steriods for faster growth (that frequently see chickens growing so quickly that their legs can support them and and up with deformities or broken legs... not that they are usually allowed to move much anyway) so as i was saying its been shown that this host of chemicals is finding its way into humans

1.Modern farming uses lots of chemicals for crops also.
2.In the EU, steroids (not steriods, oh super-intelligent veggie one), are forbidden.

4th fail...

what else... well there is the cost, being veg is much cheaper (hardly a massive point though)
In the shops where I do my shopping, 1 kg of spinaches costs about 4 €, 1 kg of pork meat costs about 4 €, and 1 kg of zucchini costs about 7 €.
5th fail.

basiacally its such a small sacrifice to give up meat, the ony real reason people eat it is because it tastes naice to them and they are too selfish to see any of the implications.. but its a huge sacrifice to the animal if you do eat meat
I, for one, would welcome genetical manipulation so to grow meat without the animal.

just as our ancestors gradually moved away from eating each other mankind is gradually moving away from eating animals, do you want to be part of a peacful future or part of the barbaric past?
If the peaceful future is starving or malnutrition, then fuck peace, fuck future, and hands off my sausages!

i need to go back to bed i cant be bothered with checking this over, it probs dosent make much sense and ive probs left some huge thinge out be hey ho night

That is, just to talk meat again, you chicken out.;)

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I'm surprised to see you eat it all. I got a nasty case of belching during the first course!

Mmm. Risotto. I love risotto.
Risottia? Like risotto, only feminine?
I'm getting my appetite back!

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Incidently, I hate pescatarians who call themselves vegetarians. You would not believe how many people assumed I ate fish because some jackass who eats fish told them they're vegetarian.

You hate me then! I'm a vegetarian only by preference. If meat-eating people are polite enough to ask what I eat before inviting me to dinner, I tell them I'm a vegetarian but it's no big deal. If they serve up fish, I call that a compromise and eat the damn fish. Better than half-cooked beans or some plastic vege-burger shit.

And gird up your own loins. A pescetarian by your strict terminology would be one who only eats fish!

Spouse 1: Someone's coming for dinner this friday! I'll cook, they only eat fish.
Spouse 2: I suppose. Who is it?
Spouse 1: Guess! Big smile, lots of teeth. Dorsal fin ...
Spouse 2: Oh, no. It's your boss, isn't it?

I'm surprised to see you eat it all. I got a nasty case of belching during the first course!

Mmm. Risotto. I love risotto.
Risottia? Like risotto, only feminine?
I'm getting my appetite back!

Risottia, the Land of the Risotto!

Risottia, the Land of the Risotto!

Neat! I'd seen your name dozens of times, associated it time-wise with Hydesland and others. Over time, the name fits the person, but yours started off nice.

I really should have chosen something more edible. Since choosing my name, I've imagined dozens of better ones. What I have is snobbish, but wtf it's me now.

See, I thought I was building a nation. It was to be a nation of poor humble people whose government provided one thing and one thing only: lifelong education. After fifteen minutes I worked out that basic NS doesn't allow for that, it's more like "fallman for lying to the press about what we're doing about dumbass shit they throw at us."

Policy #1 was going to be "abolish the military." Five issues a week for over a year, and I haven't even had the option to trim military spending.

So, all I'm saying, is I wish I'd chosen something more appetizing.

You don't happen to know what a Goofball is do you?

I'm vegetarian for ethical and health reasons and also because I didn't really like the taste/idea of eating meat and because I can look down on most of the others as immoral of course.

I'm a meat-arian. I abstain from eating vegetables. :p