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with probably the most insightful part of the movie, hidden
away in a very annoying discussion that i usually ignored


john kerry taser incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM



in the u s there is dictatorship of the system.
you know, dictatorship hardly ever is "one person" anyway.

LOLZ!!!!

that is awesome!!
:D:D:D

in the u s there is dictatorship of the system.
you know, dictatorship hardly ever is "one person" anyway.

Suddenly the ability to expand the pejorative "dictatorship" reaches the point where it can be used to describe every governmental system from liberal federal democracy to Vietnamese Imperialism.

Edit: Oh, and there's this little thing that's about .2 cm down and to the left from where your little finger is resting called the "Shift Key". It was discovered in the year 1873 by Christopher Sholes, and its use is helpful in allowing you to come into line with most modern conventions of grammar and punctuation.

Haha.

Although I thought that the guy had just gone over his allotted time on the microphone and had been asked politely to step down a number of times before they dragged him off and tasered him.

Haha.

Although I thought that the guy had just gone over his allotted time on the microphone and had been asked politely to step down a number of times before they dragged him off and tasered him.

Actually, he cut in front of an existing line, blew by the time limit that he would normally have been alloted, and kept going as the moderator and the police all politely asked him to cut it out. He didn't stop, so they sought to bodily remove him from the area, which he resisted. After an extended period of physical resistance, they tasered him.

Actually, he cut in front of an existing line, blew by the time limit that he would normally have been alloted, and kept going as the moderator and the police all politely asked him to cut it out. He didn't stop, so they sought to bodily remove him from the area, which he resisted. After an extended period of physical resistance, they tasered him.
Yeah, something like that... whatever, the point is that it wasn't random "I'm trying to shut you up because I want to oppress you" tasering.

Yeah, something like that... whatever, the point is that it wasn't random "I'm trying to shut you up because I want to oppress you" tasering.
Say the word Taser and suddenly most of the media and a goodly portion of NSG starts crowing "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!". Nevermind the circumstances surrounding the incident, oh heavens no, the police used a weapon!

Nevermind the circumstances surrounding the incident, oh heavens no, the police used a weapon!

Who knows? Maybe if enough factually deficient willful ignoramuses cry enough about the "oppression", they'll start issuing police with tickling devices. Or pie launchers.

For the purposes of this thread I don't give a crap if the whole tasering thing was right or wrong, that was fucking funny.

Who knows? Maybe if enough factually deficient willful ignoramuses cry enough about the "oppression", they'll start issuing police with tickling devices. Or pie launchers.

As a side note, police should be issued pie launchers.

Who knows? Maybe if enough factually deficient willful ignoramuses cry enough about the "oppression", they'll start issuing police with tickling devices. Or pie launchers.

Til those with pie related allergies end up getting splatted. :rolleyes:

with probably the most insightful part of the movie, hidden
away in a very annoying discussion that i usually ignored


john kerry taser incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM



in the u s there is dictatorship of the system.
you know, dictatorship hardly ever is "one person" anyway.

Um...we already debated this and the US does not have a dictatorship system. Grow up.

Til those with pie related allergies end up getting splatted. :rolleyes:

Who the hell has pie-related allergies? :p


That said, ploice should not be issued pie launchers... Citizens should, so they can launch them at police for fun and profit.

*nods*

If the chap had been behaving in an orderly fashion and had gotten zapped, then I could see a reason for being upset. As it was, I believe he was acting like an arrogant little sod and got exactly what he deserved. (I could continue with more insults, but why bother?)

The right to free speech doesn't mean that you're entitled to act in whatever fashion you please without repercussions; there is a certain amount of common sense and courtesy that you're expected to exercise.

I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT THIS: (Ooops. Caps lock. Sorry.)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071015.BODY15/TPStory/National

VANCOUVER -- The death of a middle-aged man at Vancouver airport after being stunned twice by an electric shock from a taser gun sparked new appeals yesterday for a moratorium on police use of the high-powered weapon.

The dead man, who was believed to be travelling by himself, had arrived in Vancouver shortly before the incident. He had a passport and luggage, but police would not release his name until they confirmed his identity with Interpol, an international law enforcement agency.

The man in his 40s began behaving wildly in the international arrivals lounge of the Vancouver airport. He was sweating profusely, yelling, tipping his luggage cart over and throwing chairs about, RCMP spokesman Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre said. He grabbed a computer off a desk at an arrival gate and was pounding on windows.

Who the hell has pie-related allergies?

This (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21246628/?GT1=10450) kid.

I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT THIS: (Ooops. Caps lock. Sorry.)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071015.BODY15/TPStory/National

So looks like a medical condition did him in. Either that or he was high on something.

This (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21246628/?GT1=10450) kid.

Gods you have to feel sorry for that little munchkin, his life is gonna suck forever.

Say the word Taser and suddenly most of the media and a goodly portion of NSG starts crowing "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!". Nevermind the circumstances surrounding the incident, oh heavens no, the police used a weapon!

So you think its OK for the police to radomly taser people?


Go fuck yourself.

So you think its OK for the police to radomly taser people?


Go fuck yourself.

Considering the bastard was struggling with police while being restrained and was warned to settle down or he would be tasered...the bastard got what he deserved.

So you think its OK for the police to radomly taser people?


Go fuck yourself.

Better than profiling. If they taser people at random, it's probably the fairest system. I could do that job. :)

Say the word Taser and suddenly most of the media and a goodly portion of NSG starts crowing "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!". Nevermind the circumstances surrounding the incident, oh heavens no, the police used a weapon!
So I see you sold your sense of humor for a Mars bar.

So I see you sold your sense of humor for a Mars bar.

Nah, I'm just in a very peculiar mood this morning, and that tickled me. I must say New Tacoma took it rather to the extreme.

Nah, I'm just in a very peculiar mood this morning, and that tickled me. I must say New Tacoma took it rather to the extreme.


Look I cant help it if you hate freedom. Just refrain from posting in future:).

Who knows? Maybe if enough factually deficient willful ignoramuses cry enough about the "oppression", they'll start issuing police with tickling devices. Or pie launchers.

Police Commissioner LG?

Look I cant help it if you hate freedom. Just refrain from posting in future:).

*snorts*

As opposed to someone who supports a full fledged nut that ignored repeated police warnings.

Just refrain from posting in the future.

with probably the most insightful part of the movie, hidden
away in a very annoying discussion that i usually ignored


john kerry taser incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM



in the u s there is dictatorship of the system.
you know, dictatorship hardly ever is "one person" anyway.

"Oppression in the system!"

Better than profiling. If they taser people at random, it's probably the fairest system. I could do that job. :)

You should tell the nearest available police officer about this strategy, preferrably around dinner time. I'd wonder what the reaction would be :D

Police Commissioner LG?

Personally, I'm not too sure. I know his stance on tasering, pieing and pranking. But what I want to know is his stance on random tickle attacks. Tasers hurt. Excessive pieing could probably end up choking someone. Pranking? Well, that's too big a field to cover, and sometimes the recipient gets more than a bit angry.

But when was the last time you saw someone get real angry over being tickled?

Personally, I'm not too sure. I know his stance on tasering, pieing and pranking. But what I want to know is his stance on random tickle attacks. Tasers hurt. Excessive pieing could probably end up choking someone. Pranking? Well, that's too big a field to cover, and sometimes the recipient gets more than a bit angry.

But when was the last time you saw someone get real angry over being tickled?

Me, about two days ago, when I was lying incapacitated and twitching on the ground from a few well placed tickles.

We're the silent victims :( ;)

Me, about two days ago, when I was lying incapacitated and twitching on the ground from a few well placed tickles.

We're the silent victims :( ;)

I prefer to think of you as the breathless victims :P

Besides, which would you prefer if you had to choose? Tasering? Or tickling? At least you're laughing with the other one.

I prefer to think of you as the breathless victims :P

Besides, which would you prefer if you had to choose? Tasering? Or tickling? At least you're laughing with the other one.

Ain't that the truth.

Man, it's a hard choice. Talk about Scylla and Charibdis...

*snorts*

As opposed to someone who supports a full fledged nut that ignored repeated police warnings.

Just refrain from posting in the future.

Sigh, I somehow knew that your ignorance would cloud your judgement of this issue. You have proven time and time again that you are another crazed Bush cheerleader who supports anything that Bush does. This means that you cannot judge events in a rational way so you resort to attacks and ad homs such as the post I quoted. If you want to sleepwalk into a police state then thats your choice, just dont come crying to me when the tanks start rolling down your street.

Sigh, I somehow knew that your ignorance would cloud your judgement of this issue. You have proven time and time again that you are another crazed Bush cheerleader who supports anything that Bush does. This means that you cannot judge events in a rational way so you resort to attacks and ad homs such as the post I quoted. If you want to sleepwalk into a police state then thats your choice, just dont come crying to me when the tanks start rolling down your street.

Given your history on this forum, you're hardly one who should be warning against ad hominems.

Sigh, I somehow knew that your ignorance would cloud your judgement of this issue.

You mean as opposed to someone who cries police brutality everytime some moron decides to fight the cops and gets clocked?

You have proven time and time again that you are another crazed Bush cheerleader who supports anything that Bush does.

Sorry but that is not at all accurate.

This means that you cannot judge events in a rational way so you resort to attacks and ad homs such as the post I quoted.

As opposed to you? You do not look at things rational. Nor do you look at the facts when they disagree with your theories. Sorry but I look at things more rational than you do it seems.

If you want to sleepwalk into a police state then thats your choice, just dont come crying to me when the tanks start rolling down your street.

This has got to be the funniest thing you have stated in this thread.

You mean as opposed to someone who cries police brutality everytime some moron decides to fight the cops and gets clocked?

There you go again, anyone who dares to fidht the goverment is a moron in your eyes. Were the founding fathers of the United States morons?



Sorry but that is not at all accurate.

Show me a single post where you have defended a liberal ideal.



As opposed to you? You do not look at things rational. Nor do you look at the facts when they disagree with your theories. Sorry but I look at things more rational than you do it seems.

Ah, so you all you have is insults and no substance. I see, typical shrubite.



This has got to be the funniest thing you have stated in this thread.


Funny, a police state isnt funny. If you think a dictatorship is funny then read 1984, you'll be rolling on the floor. While your at it actualy read it and see if you can see a similarity between Airstrip One and US.

Key words:

Eternal war


Goverment suvalliance



Misinformation

Funny, a police state isnt funny. If you think a dictatorship is funny then read 1984, you'll be rolling on the floor. While your at it actualy read it and see if you can see a similarity between Airstrip One and US.

Key words:

Eternal war


Goverment suvalliance



Misinformation

Eternal War?

We've been in Iraq for FOUR FUCKING YEARS. That's shorter than WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and just over the length of American Civil War.

Eternal War my ass. :rolleyes:

There you go again, anyone who dares to fidht the goverment is a moron in your eyes. Were the founding fathers of the United States morons?

Um please show me where I said that anyone who fights the government is a moron? I said anyone who struggles with police and ignores their warnings is a moron.

Sorry but that is not at all accurate.

Show me a single post where you have defended a liberal ideal.

Show me a post where I support Bush 100% no questions ask!

As opposed to you? You do not look at things rational. Nor do you look at the facts when they disagree with your theories. Sorry but I look at things more rational than you do it seems.

Ah, so you all you have is insults and no substance. I see, typical shrubite.

HAHA!! You really are making me laugh today.

This has got to be the funniest thing you have stated in this thread.

Funny, a police state isnt funny.

You are right. And until you provide proof that we are a police state...

If you think a dictatorship is funny then read 1984, you'll be rolling on the floor.

I've read it. The US is nothing like that.

While your at it actualy read it and see if you can see a similarity between Airstrip One and US.

I'll try.

Key words:

Eternal war

You mean external? That's true

Goverment suvalliance


Many governments have this. Most are not police states. Try again.

Misinformation

What government does not put this out?

Face it. You cannot prove that the US is a police state for we are NOT a police state.

Eternal War?

We've been in Iraq for FOUR FUCKING YEARS. That's shorter than WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and just over the length of American Civil War.

Eternal War my ass. :rolleyes:

I suspect he was referring to the war on terror and the government's reasoning that such a war allows for the curtailing of civil liberties in a manner similar to total wars, such as the ones you mentioned - the world wars, vietnam, the civil war - when in reality the war on terror will be much more similar to the cold war, meaning that laws used to reduce people's rights could very well last for decades to come.

So you think its OK for the police to radomly taser people?


Go fuck yourself.

Look I cant help it if you hate freedom. Just refrain from posting in future:).

I would suggest that you refrain from flaming.

Corny, like all NSG denizens, has his faults, but he has defended all kinds of ideals -- most notably individual freedoms. You are confusing his insistence that once the police have ordered you to cease and desist, you do yourself nor your cause any favors by refusing them. Honestly, have you ever in your life heard of anyone making their point stronger by tussling with the police? You do what they ask, you walk away, you research the permitting process and come back. Your rights to expression aren't being abridged if you are protesting illegally. Why do you think that the Phelps crowd get away with their protests? Better yet, why do you think the Patriot Guard manages to supersede them? All because they follow local ordinances in order to NOT run afoul of the police...whose job it is to enforce local ordinances.

Honestly, Tacky, you're conflating a whole bunch of complex stuff into a black and white non-reality. I urge you to relax and calmly state your cases without resorting to such misguided histrionics. I realize that you're under no obligation to do so, but I urge you to in order to preserve your dignity and whatever weight your posts have left to lend to your causes.

guy may have been a bit long-winded (i know some people prefer 10 second sound bites,
signal for mike cut when impeachment is mentioned (different angle),
people grab questioner,
he's like woah! what's going on.
if he was not under arrest at this point when some people touched him
then it was assault.
if he was not under arrest, there was no need to touch him.
there is no need to touch someone to escort them out.
and besides, Kerry said he'd answer the questions while
he was not far from the mike.
why couldn't he stay to listen to answers to his questions
that Kerry said he would answer?



here's another one 14 seconds
mortal combat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULrAGJjZdp8



if you want a non-funny video
you can watch "the miami model" when the police state
stomped inalienable rights of assembly and petition for redress of grievances (that are written in the constitution to remind the gov't. they are not 'granted' by the gov't. only gov't powers are granted by the people, not the other way around)
http://ftaaimc.org/miamimodel

He was asked to stop, he did not. He was asked to stop again, he did not. Then it became trespassing, he was under arrest.

He was asked to stop, he did not. He was asked to stop again, he did not. Then it became trespassing, he was under arrest.

being asked to stop talking = trespassing?

being asked to stop talking = trespassing?

Not his property and he's no longer welcome there? Yup.

Not his property and he's no longer welcome there? Yup.

uh, oo-kay...

i thought you were going to say they asked him to leave or
threatened him with arrest if he did not leave.
then,
they might be able to arrest him.

and,
wasn't he a student at that public university?
if it was a public university, one need not be a student.
student org events must be opened to the public.

I fail to see the horror that some of you are seeing.

A fool got tased at an event for ignoring what a bunch of police were telling him to do and for struggling when he should have just listened to them in the first place, instead of being a dick.

Really, until this starts happening with great frequency, I am not going to connect "isolated taser incident" to "police-state".

So you think its OK for the police to radomly taser people?


Go fuck yourself.

Since this is hardly your first behavioral problem, have a couple days off.

Really, an internet argument is not worth getting so worked up about.

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HotRodia

uh, oo-kay...

i thought you were going to say they asked him to leave or
threatened him with arrest if he did not leave.
then,
they might be able to arrest him.

and,
wasn't he a student at that public university?
if it was a public university, one need not be a student.
student org events must be opened to the public.

I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this again when it was already put to bed without supper a month ago, but...

...University is indeed a public college, but every student signs a contract to be, effectively, GUESTS at the pleasure of the University. So long as all rules are obeyed, and you are not explicitly asked to leave, you may remain in any area WHERE STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED. The student in NO way OWNS any of the University. I can't remember who posted it, but look up the University of Florida student agreement -- it was posted in the previous too-long thread on this topic.

The fourteen seconds you've mentioned are not the only 14 seconds he had. The man was obnoxious and went well over the time he was given, even after barging into the queue out of turn. He asked far too many questions to be reasonably answered, in defiance of the agreed-upon Q&A format. In short, he didn't play nice. When he was asked by University personnel to leave the playground, he didn't. When he was then asked by the police to leave, he didn't. He resisted their efforts to remove him with bodily force and as a result was subdued via Taser.

He blew it, and he did it on purpose, as he was not protesting when cameras were not on him and rolling. He played the fool and was dutifully "charged" for his performance. Case closed. And before anyone puts words in my mouth for me, I'm not a "fascist" or an overt supporter of things authoritarian. Rather, I'm a big fan of knowing which battles to pick and when. Also, trying to reason with what is the authority equivalent of a blunt instrument gets you nowhere. Comply or be wrangled. He chose. No sympathy.

wasn't he a student at that public university?
if it was a public university, one need not be a student.
student org events must be opened to the public.

Show me where that's the case anywhere, if you can.

being asked to stop talking = trespassing?

No but failure to stop after being told to do so....

uh, oo-kay...

i thought you were going to say they asked him to leave or
threatened him with arrest if he did not leave.
then,
they might be able to arrest him.

They did. That was why the cops were called. Duh!

and,
wasn't he a student at that public university?

Your point? Its been debunked before.

if it was a public university, one need not be a student.

:confused:

student org events must be opened to the public.

Really? Why?

I fail to see the horror that some of you are seeing.

A fool got tased at an event for ignoring what a bunch of police were telling him to do and for struggling when he should have just listened to them in the first place, instead of being a dick.

Really, until this starts happening with great frequency, I am not going to connect "isolated taser incident" to "police-state".

Agreed.

Show me where that's the case anywhere, if you can.

it's probably different from state to state, but that's the way it is in the university of wisconsin system.

with probably the most insightful part of the movie, hidden
away in a very annoying discussion that i usually ignored


john kerry taser incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM



in the u s there is dictatorship of the system.
you know, dictatorship hardly ever is "one person" anyway.

I love Monty Python!

They did. That was why the cops were called. Duh!

Maybe you were at the event and saw more than the rest of us on those multiple recordings...
could be,

But the cops were down upon him already.
Not seeing things before hand, as you might have,
I assumed they were security for the "more equal" John Kerry and descended
upon the speaker...why?
Others have said he butted in line.

But they let him ask his questions so...,
but they took longer than the 20 second sound bite pre-fab question
we've heard a zillion times before and already know the answer to.



"To be sure"
this event in itself does not represent the police state,
(except maybe why are they there in the first place?
because people hate the oligarchs so much they need protection
for the politicians? people don't even call them oligarchs. they just
hate them and don't really know why)

But it's not isolated,
and it's just that someone stepped out of the "pre-fab" "staged" presentations. I'm not saying questioners are actors. Nothing like that at all.
It's just that everything is so "controlled", that police and the fascist tool that is the tazer usually doesn't need to be there.
Someone actually stepped out of line and hurt no one.
So they had to get hurt to set an example.

Maybe you were at the event and saw more than the rest of us on those multiple recordings...
could be,

Or I saw the same videos as you did and what I got from it was that the dude was struggling wit the damn cops. You do not struggle with cops.

But the cops were down upon him already.

Yep and when told to stop struggling, he failed to comply. If you have a problem with this, feel free to look it up on NSG. We debated it when it actually occured.

Not seeing things before hand, as you might have,
I assumed they were security for the "more equal" John Kerry and descended
upon the speaker...why?

Actually...they were campus police who were called by the manager of the event because the kid was being disrupted.

Others have said he butted in line.

According to people who were there.

But they let him ask his questions so...,
but they took longer than the 20 second sound bite pre-fab question
we've heard a zillion times before and already know the answer to.

True. however, he was being disruptive and failed to comply with authorities when they told him to stop.

"To be sure"
this event in itself does not represent the police state,
(except maybe why are they there in the first place?

Its called SECURITY!!!!

because people hate the oligarchs so much they need protection
for the politicians?

Now your being funny.

people don't even call them oligarchs. they just
hate them and don't really know why)

Why do you have a problem with Authority?

But it's not isolated,
and it's just that someone stepped out of the "pre-fab" "staged" presentations. I'm not saying questioners are actors. Nothing like that at all.
It's just that everything is so "controlled", that police and the fascist tool that is the tazer usually doesn't need to be there.
Someone actually stepped out of line and hurt no one.
So they had to get hurt to set an example.

*dies of laughter* You really have zero clue do you? Go and research this during the last debate we had on this damn issue. Pay close attention to Neo Art's explaination. he destroys this line of reasoning quite well.

Or I saw the same videos as you did and what I got from it was that the dude was struggling wit the damn cops. You do not struggle with cops.



Yep and when told to stop struggling, he failed to comply. If you have a problem with this, feel free to look it up on NSG. We debated it when it actually occured.



cops.
not just because they are cops.
that is wronger than wrong.
"just because they are cops"?
maybe for one's health.
but not morally, that is for sure.
escaping slaves disobeyed cops and laws.
they are not infallible.
for your health maybe, but not "because they are cops".

he was like "am i being arrested?"
which he obviously was or they would not have grabbed him.
so. why? what was he arrested for?

Why do you have a problem with Authority?

why? do you worship it?

cops.
not just because they are cops.
that is wronger than wrong.
"just because they are cops"?
maybe for one's health.
but not morally, that is for sure.
escaping slaves disobeyed cops and laws.
they are not infallible.
for your health maybe, but not "because they are cops".

You have a problem with police following the law?

he was like "am i being arrested?"
which he obviously was or they would not have grabbed him.
so. why? what was he arrested for?

Trespassing!

why? do you worship it?

Um no but at least I obey the cops if they tell me to do something like um oh I don't know, stop struggling?

You have a problem with police following the law?



Trespassing!

what. there's no audio on any of those recordings telling him to leave
or else he will be arrested for trespassing.


i love how Kerry tells everyone to remain calm (read passive) as this kid gets electrocuted.

although he did say he'd answer the questions - once.


the crowd could have merely stood up and said "shame" or "let him go"
over & over

why? do you worship it?

I think you need to check out the thread about 'it'.

what. there's no audio on any of those recordings telling him to leave
or else he will be arrested for trespassing.


i love how Kerry tells everyone to remain calm (read passive) as this kid gets electrocuted.

although he did say he'd answer the questions - once.


the crowd could have merely stood up and said "shame" or "let him go"
over & over

Good idea, lets start a riot.

Um no but at least I obey the cops if they tell me to do something like um oh I don't know, stop struggling?

i'd probably do that with any group of thugs on me too.

but i wouldn't jump off a bridge just because a cop told me to do it.
"obeying the police" is not (or certainly should not be) any law in any free society.

Good idea, lets start a riot.

hahaha.

simple : NOT


just stand up.
don't go running anywhere.
don't make any of those famous "threatening motions".
just stand up and use your inalienable rights that are written in the constitution to remind the gov't what they are not supposed to try and curtail.


that's such a joke "law" anyway.
"start a riot".
oh, ok. like any one person has any control over what other people do.
the "law" needs to grow up and get out of the 19th century.

I think you need to check out the thread about 'it'.

sorry to keep offending you.

let me be not so literal.

why? do you worship authority?

i'd probably do that with any group of thugs on me too.

but i wouldn't jump off a bridge just because a cop told me to do it.
"obeying the police" is not (or certainly should not be) any law in any free society.

There is a difference here, these were policemen and women who had asked him multiple times to for lack of a better term 'cease and desist', he didn't.
Hardly a bunch of thugs. Not to mention this took place in front of a large number of people, not in some dark back alleyway.

If no one had to obey the police, by law, then no one would unless they had some common courtesy. Basically you do not want there to be any form of police.

sorry to keep offending you.

let me be not so literal.

why? do you worship authority?

No problem, I never get offended.

I do not worship authority, but I recognize the need for it. As far as I can see, there has always been a need for a form of authority. Until the day when all of us can get along peaceably without intervention, we need some form of authority.

what. there's no audio on any of those recordings telling him to leave
or else he will be arrested for trespassing.

So one needs audio evidence? Oh brother. You really need to learn a thing or two. Listen. This guy was a guest at this event. He violated the terms of being a guest when he failed to stop when told to stop by the organizers of the event. he failed to comply with the cops when they told him to leave. He struggled with the cops and failed to stop struggling. Yep...trespessing.

i love how Kerry tells everyone to remain calm (read passive) as this kid gets electrocuted.

He told people to stay calm before then as far as I know.

although he did say he'd answer the questions - once.

Yep but the dude was still trespassing. As I said, in the other thread, Neo Art has a good explaination. Maybe you should check that thread out.

the crowd could have merely stood up and said "shame" or "let him go"
over & over

They didn't! Why? Because the dude was 100% wrong.

i'd probably do that with any group of thugs on me too.

Police are thugs now? I suppose they are thugs when they ask you for your Drivers License and proof of insurance when they pull you over.

but i wouldn't jump off a bridge just because a cop told me to do it.

If a cop said that, their badge would be um revoked after a psychiatric examination.

"obeying the police" is not (or certainly should not be) any law in any free society.

:rolleyes: You are now officially an idiot.

Police are thugs now? I suppose they are thugs when they ask you for your Drivers License and proof of insurance when they pull you over.

:rolleyes: You are now officially an idiot.


I'm talking about a blanket statement with that key word "obey" the police.

Like if you are over 18 years old and going for a walk around midnight (which would probably be past "curfew" for those under 18. curfew...i know...),
and the cop says "go home". And then arrests you for not leaving. That is simply ridiculous. There is no reason to simply "obey". There HAS TO BE A LAW. obey the law, not the police.

Or maybe this is a more realistic one: you are watching cops arrest someone and a cop demands you leave or stop recording with you video camera and you do not. And then arrests you or steals your camera. That is wrong on our employees at all times. Those are not things to "obey" the cops for.


When they beat someone,
or tase them they are thugs.
(although some of the thuginess has to go to the get tuff politicians who have no real thing to run on. the tazer still is a fascist tool)
(I almost wrote "tased for no reason". But that would imply there actually is a legitimate use for a taser. They are wrong and kill people)

Funny, a police state isnt funny. If you think a dictatorship is funny then read 1984, you'll be rolling on the floor. While your at it actualy read it and see if you can see a similarity between Airstrip One and US.

Ohhhh, I get it. You want to live in a lawless wasteland where anarchy and chaos rules.

wasn't he a student at that public university?
if it was a public university, one need not be a student.
student org events must be opened to the public.

Not if it's a private function.

Like if you are over 18 years old and going for a walk around midnight (which would probably be past "curfew" for those under 18. curfew...i know...),
and the cop says "go home". And then arrests you for not leaving. That is simply ridiculous. There is no reason to simply "obey". There HAS TO BE A LAW. obey the law, not the police.


If the curfew is legally put into place, it's not ridiculous. The one who's ridiculous is the one arguing it's not breaking the law when it clearly is.


When they beat someone,
or tase them they are thugs.

I'm sure if you ask the man with the switchblade in the dark alley nicely, he won't stab you and leave your possessions be. :rolleyes:

Good idea, lets start a riot.

I'm down. Sometimes the government needs to be shown where it's place is. ;)

Say the word Taser and suddenly most of the media and a goodly portion of NSG starts crowing "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!". Nevermind the circumstances surrounding the incident, oh heavens no, the police used a weapon!

Perhaps you're new to here? LOL! This is a rather funny vid though.

If the curfew is legally put into place, it's not ridiculous. The one who's ridiculous is the one arguing it's not breaking the law when it clearly is.



I'm sure if you ask the man with the switchblade in the dark alley nicely, he won't stab you and leave your possessions be. :rolleyes:


well, there's obviously curfew in many cities for those under 18 or 16, all depending upon the city or town. one can debate that too, but a different thread. yes, those are laws put into place. what's your point?

yeah that guy would be a thug too.
are you implying a cop with a taser but not having used it yet is a thug too?

I'm down. Sometimes the government needs to be shown where it's place is. ;)

And sometimes that place is up against a burning barn with rusty pitchforks between the first and second ribs.

Eternal War?

We've been in Iraq for FOUR FUCKING YEARS. That's shorter than WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and just over the length of American Civil War.

Eternal War my ass. :rolleyes:

OH COME ON. Put the three together. It's the Eternal War none of us know about because of Misinformation, and if any one of us catches on, they'll be able crack down because of their Government Surveillance.
*glances over shoulder* ;)

OH COME ON. Put the three together. It's the Eternal War none of us know about because of Misinformation, and if any one of us catches on, they'll be able crack down because of their Government Surveillance.
*glances over shoulder* ;)

Laughing my ass off.

well, there's obviously curfew in many cities for those under 18 or 16, all depending upon the city or town. one can debate that too, but a different thread. yes, those are laws put into place. what's your point?

Misread the age caveat.


yeah that guy would be a thug too.
are you implying a cop with a taser but not having used it yet is a thug too?

You're implying that a cop who beats up people or tasers them instantly becomes a thug regardless of the situation.

So you must obviously desire scarecrow police, unable to actually do anything to enforce law other than maybe ask nicely.

You're implying that a cop who beats up people or tasers them instantly becomes a thug regardless of the situation.

So you must obviously desire scarecrow police, unable to actually do anything to enforce law other than maybe ask nicely.


no. just tasers are thuggish, that's all.
and more importantly they do kill people.


sounds good to me.
they are to "serve & protect" property anyway.

if they were to "serve & protect" people as well,
they'd be bringing turkey dinners to the poor and the sick their medicine.

no. just tasers are thuggish, that's all.
and more importantly they do kill people.

So do peanuts. I suppose peanuts are thuggish too? Cars too. And aircraft. In fact, your chair could be used to cave in your skull. Shards from your monitor could be used to cut open your throat. I could use your fingernails to gouge out your eyes.

You going to consider your fingernails thuggish too? Why do you still have them? Rip them off. Rip off your arms too. People have been beaten to death with fists before.

Tasers don't generally kill. Only when used excessively or on the infirm or very young. Neither of them are typically among the type that need to be restrained very often.

Maybe you'd prefer police doing it the old way. By beating them up with nightsticks or filling them with lead.

All you're doing is just complaining for the sake of looking like an idiot.


sounds good to me.
they are to "serve & protect" property anyway.

if they were to "serve & protect" people as well,
they'd be bringing turkey dinners to the poor and the sick their medicine.

You really are the parasite of your namesake you know that? Sucking nutrients off your host and doing nothing but spreading poison inside.

The police are not aid workers. Get that in your factually resistant skull. They are there to enforce law and order. ENFORCE does not mean asking nicely. It means using appropriate force.

The kind of la la land you want to live in is in Darfur. A completely ineffectual police force who can't and won't do nuts.

In fact you know what? Let's see if I can get a bunch of cops to agree with your reasoning. Then in front of them, I'm going to cave in your skull with a brick. And they'll ask me nicely to stop. But I won't.

I'm sure you'd like that. It's your ideal scenario after all. Cops without any ability to actually enforce law.

Nice post NAS!