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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/13/iraq.sanchez/index.html

That unpatriotic bastard! ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/13/iraq.sanchez/index.html

That unpatriotic bastard! ;)Lying would be more patriotic in your eyes?

Lying would be more patriotic in your eyes?

The President does it all the time. Certainly, you wouldn't question his patriotism, would you? ;)

The President does it all the time. Certainly, you wouldn't question his patriotism, would you? ;)I would, because he does not serve his country well. But then again, I am not a US American. How unpatriotic of me.... :rolleyes:

I would, because he does not serve his country well. But then again, I am not a US American. How unpatriotic of me.... :rolleyes:

The CIA will be paying you a visit any moment now. :)

The link isn't working for me, what's the general jist of it?Ex-general says US gov is teh shit.

The link isn't working for me, what's the general jist of it?

The link isn't working for me, what's the general jist of it?

A former commander of the coalition forces in Iraq has come forward and lambasted the Administration, the State Department and Congress for their inability to develop a winning strategy in Iraq despite numerous miltary leaders reporting that it will take more than military power to win in Iraq.

Edit: CNN seems to be hiccupping. Here is the Yahoo News version: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071013/ap_on_re_mi_ea/sanchez_iraq

Lying would be more patriotic in your eyes?

Methinks thy sarcasm detector needs an upgrade. Tsk... you're using version 3.2? Everyone knows that in order to better detect the new form of sarcasm known as LG-ism, you need version 5.1. *nods*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202459.html?hpid=topnews
Retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, who led U.S. forces in Iraq for a year after the March 2003 invasion, accused the Bush administration yesterday of going to war with a "catastrophically flawed" plan and said the United States is "living a nightmare with no end in sight."

Sanchez also bluntly criticized the current troop increase in Iraq, describing it as "a desperate attempt by the administration that has not accepted the political and economic realities of this war."

"The administration, Congress and the entire interagency, especially the State Department, must shoulder the responsibility for this catastrophic failure, and the American people must hold them accountable," Sanchez told military reporters and editors. "There has been a glaring unfortunate display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders."

Hah! Not only is he repeating what many has said for a long time, but he actually expects the people responsible to be held accountable? Woah. I fear for the sanity of the poor man.

"The best we can do with this flawed approach is stave off defeat," Sanchez said in a speech to the Military Reporters and Editors' annual conference in Crystal City. "Without bipartisan cooperation, we are destined to fail. There is nothing going on in Washington that would give us hope."
No good news in sight either...

Sanchez opened by criticizing the U.S. news media, saying he was unfairly labeled "a liar" and "a torturer" because of the Abu Ghraib scandal, and he alleged that the media have lost their sense of ethics. He said that members of the media blow stories out of proportion and are unwilling to correct mistakes, and that the "media environment is doing a great disservice to the nation."
I don't disagree with the last part either. The media is failing in its purpose.

Methinks thy sarcasm detector needs an upgrade. Tsk... you're using version 3.2? Everyone knows that in order to better detect the new form of sarcasm known as LG-ism, you need version 5.1. *nods*5.1? Honey, I am using 7.0 with extra plugins.

Ex-general says US gov is teh shit.
AKA people who no longer have to kiss political ass, and thus no longer have any sway, are saying the government has no idea what the fuck they are doing. Same song, different show.

It will be a cold day in hell before an active general says this because they like their cushy jobs.

Methinks thy sarcasm detector needs an upgrade. Tsk... you're using version 3.2? Everyone knows that in order to better detect the new form of sarcasm known as LG-ism, you need version 5.1. *nods*

But the sarcasm was made with Winky 2.0, which should make it reverse compatible with older detectors.

AKA people who no longer have to kiss political ass, and thus no longer have any sway, are saying the government has no idea what the fuck they are doing. Same song, different show.

It will be a cold day in hell before an active general says this because they like their cushy jobs.

The problem is that current generals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki) who speak out get ignored and fired. So what's the point. Even if you'd throw yourself on a hand grenade to save your comrades, you wouldn't throw yourself on a flame thrower.

So another person denounces the Iraq War, huh?

We needed that. People need to be reminded constantly of what should be plainly obvious. Not like it'll make any difference, but oh well...

You delight in giving me the OMG, WHAT THE HECK IS LUNATIC GOOFBALLS DOING NOW? DO I HAVE TO WARN HIM? title heartattack, don't you? :D

5.1? Honey, I am using 7.0 with extra plugins.

Well there you go, it's not compatible with LG.

endless war is the government's goal, he really is patriotic.

You delight in giving me the OMG, WHAT THE HECK IS LUNATIC GOOFBALLS DOING NOW? DO I HAVE TO WARN HIM? title heartattack, don't you? :D

I was scared this thread had something to do with a pube pizza. Now that I see it doesn't I'm a little dissappointed..

You delight in giving me the OMG, WHAT THE HECK IS LUNATIC GOOFBALLS DOING NOW? DO I HAVE TO WARN HIM? title heartattack, don't you? :D

Yep. :)

Trilby63;13131211']I was scared this thread had something to do with a pube pizza. Now that I see it doesn't I'm a little dissappointed..

Your mind is my plaything. :)

Your mind is my plaything. :)

I am yours.

Iraq War is `nightmare' for US
Fri Oct 12, 7:17 PM ET

ARLINGTON, Va. - The U.S. mission in Iraq is a "nightmare with no end in sight" because of political misjudgments after the fall of Saddam Hussein that continue today, a former chief of U.S.-led forces said Friday.

Ret.Lt.General Ricardo Sanchez , who commanded coalition troops for a year beginning June 2003, cast a wide net of blame for both political and military shortcomings in Iraq that helped open the way for the insurgency — such as disbanding the Saddam-era military and failing to cement ties with tribal leaders and quickly establish civilian government after Saddam was toppled.

He called current strategies — including the deployment of 30,000 additional forces earlier this year — a "desperate attempt" to make up for years of misguided policies in Iraq.

"There is no question that America is living a nightmare with no end in sight," Sanchez told a group of journalists covering military affairs.

Sanchez avoided pointing his criticism at any single official or agency, but it appeared a broad indictment of White House policies and a lack of leadership in the Pentagon to oppose them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/sanchez_iraq
Sources: Yahoo/AP/OccNEWS
What was the word I been using for the last 4 years?
wasn't that "Quagmire"?

.. Yes, yes it was.

Well there you go, it's not compatible with LG.

I can be quite taxing on the system. :)

Personally I think this is just another smear job on the government.

Although the President may say this smells of shit, as a general, Sanchez is right under the nose of this issue.

Maybe if the dumbass Americans who voted for dear Bush were willing to make sacrifices and face the consequences of their actions, (Yeah, it's called a fucking draft) this wouldn't be such an unnecessary disaster.

Let's be real here, the disaster has been caused by bad political decisions. Same thing happened in Vietnam. :mad:

Maybe if the dumbass Americans who voted for dear Bush were willing to make sacrifices and face the consequences of their actions, (Yeah, it's called a fucking draft) this wouldn't be such an unnecessary disaster.
You want to send Republican voters to Iraq? Aren't Iraqis suffering enough already? Or do you just want to give them a chance to retaliate against the makers of their misery?

Personally I think this is just another smear job on the government.

Although the President may say this smells of shit, as a general, Sanchez is right under the nose of this issue.

:D

Nothing Sanchez said we don't already know unless of course you are an elected representative of the United States of America, then it's a shock.

You want to send Republican voters to Iraq?I say: the people who wants -most- to keep the occupation going should be the first in line.

we hear you do the talking.. now lets see you do the walking.

Fine by me - I voted against this administration twice.

Fine by me - I voted against this administration twice.

I wasn't old enough to vote for the first round of the Bush Administration.

But I did vote against both parties the second time.

It was a lot of members of both parties that supported the War in Iraq initially. It's just that more of the Republicans have "stayed the course".

Fine by me - I voted against this administration twice.:confused:
wait..

even if you voted for the warmonger.. I would want you to stay here Kat :fluffle: I need you to help -keep- NS going smoothly..

Amendment: Doctors, teachers, NS mods and other irreplaceable persons shall be exempted from my selective Draft proposition.

goofy!!

thought you were on about my welsh boys then!!

Used to go skating with the dirty sanchez lot years ago...know pritchard well in fact haha

Americans need every 40 year a new Vietnam.

That’s their punishment for being bully.

goofy!!

thought you were on about my welsh boys then!!

Used to go skating with the dirty sanchez lot years ago...know pritchard well in fact haha

Bah, if only I had known this last week. They were here and I forgot to get tickets. If I knew that you knew them I could have pestered you into pestering them into letting me in for free.

I wasn't old enough to vote for the first round of the Bush Administration.

But I did vote against both parties the second time.

It was a lot of members of both parties that supported the War in Iraq initially. It's just that more of the Republicans have "stayed the course".

What you have to remember, and what the media decline to remind us of, is that Bush had said things like "a vote for war is a vote for peace." He said outright, and what Congress voted for, was that if Hussein failed to comply with our demands and the UN agreed Bush was authorized to use force.

It was not a declaration of war, and neither of the conditions required occurred. It was all a sham on the part of the President.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/13/iraq.sanchez/index.html

That unpatriotic bastard! ;)

Ha ha! I knew some comrades managed to infiltrate even there!;)

I say: the people who wants -most- to keep the occupation going should be the first in line.

we hear you do the talking.. now lets see you do the walking.

Totally 2nded!

Two things that I notice right away...
1. The AP writer doesn't think that it's important for us to know that Sanchez also was forced out after a year in command because of the Abu-Graib non-scandal.

2. All of us need to remember that Three Star Generals, aka Lieutenant Generals are policy makers, as well as war fighters. General Sanchez could have said "Not on my watch", at any time that he thought the policy in Iraq was bad. Not to the news, of course, but it's opinions from people like him that should go to shape an overall policy. So did his inaction create the bad policy? Probably.

Two things that I notice right away...
1. The AP writer doesn't think that it's important for us to know that Sanchez also was forced out after a year in command because of the Abu-Graib non-scandal.

2. All of us need to remember that Three Star Generals, aka Lieutenant Generals are policy makers, as well as war fighters. General Sanchez could have said "Not on my watch", at any time that he thought the policy in Iraq was bad. Not to the news, of course, but it's opinions from people like him that should go to shape an overall policy. So did his inaction create the bad policy? Probably.

Prisoner torture and mistreatment's not scandalous nowadays? :confused:

Prisoner torture and mistreatment's not scandalous nowadays? :confused:

I recall having worse done to me during my training...Navy SERE schools aren't especially scandalous, or torturous, but they were brutal. I was beaten and bruised. I was dunked in water. I was kept in a 50 cubic foot embark box. I was kept awake for long periods of time. I was denied food and water. So, I don't have the same sort of intolerance for that sort of treatment when it's applied to people that have engaged in armed combat against my comrades-in-arms.

But let's not lose sight of the point over a phrase. Sanchez was responsible for whatever happened at that prison and the AP reporter conveniently omitted that from the article, while describing Sanchez's year of service in Iraq.

I recall having worse done to me during my training...Navy SERE schools aren't especially scandalous, or torturous, but they were brutal. I was beaten and bruised. I was dunked in water. I was kept in a 50 cubic foot embark box. I was kept awake for long periods of time. I was denied food and water. So, I don't have the same sort of intolerance for that sort of treatment when it's applied to people that have engaged in armed combat against my comrades-in-arms.

But let's not lose sight of the point over a phrase. Sanchez was responsible for whatever happened at that prison and the AP reporter conveniently omitted that from the article, while describing Sanchez's year of service in Iraq.

Geez. They do that, in training?

I'll give you the point on the second parapgraph, but still...wtf?

Geez. They do that, in training?

I'll give you the point on the second parapgraph, but still...wtf?
It's thorough training. SEALS get treated worse. Here's (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navytrng/a/sere.htm) a non-controversial version of what they do now.

I don't know if it's still that way -- My favorite saying is that you don't need to practice bleeding...

It's thorough training. SEALS get treated worse. Here's (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navytrng/a/sere.htm) a non-controversial version of what they do now.

I don't know if it's still that way -- My favorite saying is that you don't need to practice bleeding...

Ah, so it's a course specifically geared towards dealing with the possibility of capture, and what that might entail.

I thought you meant you went through this in basic.

<----(knows next to nothing about the military)

Prisoner torture and mistreatment's not scandalous nowadays? :confused:

If it isn't it should be.

I recall having worse done to me during my training...Navy SERE schools aren't especially scandalous, or torturous, but they were brutal. I was beaten and bruised. I was dunked in water. I was kept in a 50 cubic foot embark box. I was kept awake for long periods of time. I was denied food and water. So, I don't have the same sort of intolerance for that sort of treatment when it's applied to people that have engaged in armed combat against my comrades-in-arms.

But let's not lose sight of the point over a phrase. Sanchez was responsible for whatever happened at that prison and the AP reporter conveniently omitted that from the article, while describing Sanchez's year of service in Iraq.

You call that tough? At Ninja assassin school I was hung upside down from a tree and spanked by Mr.T while wolverines mauled my testicles.

BTW: Everyone on the internet is a secret spacemarine-sniper-ninja.

You call that tough? At Ninja assassin school I was hung upside down from a tree and spanked by Mr.T while wolverines mauled my testicles.

BTW: Everyone on the internet is a secret spacemarine-sniper-ninja.

Oh my god, you fell for that? That wasn't ninja assasin school. It was my first failed attempt at running a summer camp. :p

Hehehe...

"Dirty Sanchez!"

Hehehe...

"Dirty Sanchez!"

You know that was his nickname going through boot camp. :p

BTW: Everyone on the internet is a secret spacemarine-sniper-ninja.true true

Americans need every 40 year a new Vietnam.

That’s their punishment for being bully.

What's your punishment for being Belgian?

What's your punishment for being Belgian?

That is the punishment - being Belgian - I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

What's your punishment for being Belgian?

Dr. Evil. :)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/Fateg7/2172_DR_EVIL.jpg