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Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

More that the bullshit grafts just don't take.

More that the bullshit grafts just don't take.
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I reject God for the same reason I reject Frodo Baggins.
Bad hairstyle?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Because I couldn't swallow this whole "Believe in Jesus or go to Hell" crap. Doesn't really matter because even when I was Catholic everyone was telling me I was going to Hell so hey, party at my apartment in Hell! I'm next to the pool of fire, and the buffet of maggots and cockroaches! :D

I reject God for the same reason I reject Frodo Baggins.

It is my opinion that God is an dick at best, and an asshole at worst. Who wants to worship an dick or asshole?

It is my opinion that God is an dick at best, and an asshole at worst. Who wants to worship an dick or asshole?
That is a question you ought to ask a liberal, not me.

Because I couldn't swallow this whole "Believe in Jesus or go to Hell" crap. Doesn't really matter because even when I was Catholic everyone was telling me I was going to Hell so hey, party at my apartment in Hell! I'm next to the pool of fire, and the buffet of maggots and cockroaches! :D
Satan's a bad host from what I've heard. It's your funeral, as they say.

Because I need to stick in another deity to tape over Satan... Oh, reject.

Satan's a bad host from what I've heard. It's your funeral, as they say.

Yea, but as long as you don't break his stuff, he's cool.

That is a question you ought to ask a liberal, not me.I ran the question past myself, and could not find an answer.

It is my opinion that God is an dick at best, and an asshole at worst. Who wants to worship an dick or asshole?

*bites lips*

That is a question you ought to ask a liberal, not me.

Now now, that particular thread already had its run here a couple of times.

It's not really rejection per se.

Yea, but as long as you don't break his stuff, he's cool.

You're on a roll tonight! :)

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He is saying that he thinks the notion of God is BS. I disagree, and I can give what I have found to be good evidence for the existence of God, and not just God, but the God of Biblical Christianity.

To the original poster, what God are you referring to?

Yours in Christ,
Sven <><

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

All I want is a Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me.
Just a Pepsi.

I'm a Jewish Agnostic. I don't think I reject God I would just like to see something closer to harder proof. After all if someone told me any random thing I wouldn't just believe it unless I was an idiot. Same with religion. Trust me if Jesus shows up at my doorstep and is all forgiving and loving as you make it sound wouldn't he offer me a choice to convert?

PS

Most of your Christian holidays are pagan and having nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th either.

Satan's a bad host from what I've heard. It's your funeral, as they say.

Sorry, don't believe in, fear, worry about, worship, or recognize the existence of Satan anymore than God.

Most of your Christian holidays are pagan and having nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th either.

Which is why I'm actually considering celebrating the Pagan holidays. :)

He is saying that he thinks the notion of God is BS.
You're wrong, and not only wrong, arrogantly wrong. You don't know what i think, and you really, really shouldn't humiliate yourself so brazenly over a topic you can be so wrong about with just about *any* poster. What's worse (and typical i guess), you went on to disagree with ... your own opinion of what i said? Classic.
So consider fucking off or perhaps learning a little bit more about me before you presume to speak for me.
Or ... maybe ... ask me?

I don't actively reject God, since he'd have to exist in order to directly intrude on my life in the first place. Then I'd reject him for behaving like a spoiled brat.

Then I'd reject him for behaving like a spoiled brat.

There's a line for the spanking of God ... and only a few of them are paedophile priests hoping for a closer relationship with "him".

Bad hairstyle?

Hairy, HAIRY toes.
http://staff.vbi.vt.edu/pathport/pathinfo_images/Foot_and_Mouth_Disease_Virus/fmdv-pigs_clinicalsigns-lossofhorn.jpg

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

I rejected God because he was having an affair with another worshiper. Billions, actually. I was so offended I denounced his very existence right then and there.


Now he's not even my type.

I reject God for the same reason I reject Frodo Baggins.

Because his feet are bigger than yours?

I rejected God because he was having an affair with another worshiper. Billions, actually. I was so offended I denounced his very existence right then and there.The kind of thing that can be accomplished by someone coming down as a golden rainshower ... :p


Now he's not even my type.See, that's why "he"'s so lonely! All alone in the ivory tower, however draped with blood it may be.

The kind of thing that can be accomplished by someone coming down as a golden rainshower ... :p

Maybe. But really; I had to work the entire relationship. He never even TRIED to call me, never wrote... nothing! No communication at all. Nerve of that guy...

See, that's why "he"'s so lonely! All alone in the ivory tower, however draped with blood it may be.

Let him be lonely, I say. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and actually not be so deceitful and unfaithful.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Why do you reject Shiva?

Maybe. But really; I had to work the entire relationship. He never even TRIED to call me, never wrote... nothing! No communication at all. Nerve of that guy...
Oh, i agree! Total one-way with him. Just goes on and on and on about himself, and his throng, and how busy he is.

Let him be lonely, I say. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and actually not be so deceitful and unfaithful.Oooh, dunno ... anyone that far gone while still being "omniscient"(give or take a bet with "satan" about Job or two)/"omnipotent" (give or take an iron chariot or two) is quite probably beyond the reach of just one lesson. I'm still advocating the spanking. *nods*

Why do you reject Shiva?

Why would you reject Shiva? He's a decent guy. Kinda quiet. Met him when I was picking oranges. Terrified of rattlesnakes, not that he's ever been on the same continent as a wild one.

because the fundamental self-betrayal of the human race is to submit its freedom to the ficticious demands of an imaginary god. Afraid to live by the strength of our own wills, we invent religion as a way of generating and then explaining our perpetual sense of being downtrodden and defeated in life.

Nicely put. *bows*

because the fundamental self-betrayal of the human race is to submit its freedom to the ficticious demands of an imaginary god. Afraid to live by the strength of our own wills, we invent religion as a way of generating and then explaining our perpetual sense of being downtrodden and defeated in life.

All I want is a Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me.
Just a Pepsi.

Best. Song. Ever.

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And I reject God because I feel that it is impossible to be moral and embrace an external source of absolute, irrational morality at the same time.

That and I really don't care what anyone, God included, thinks about me.

Which of the 37 billion different interpretations of "God" are we talking about ?
Which I assume also partly answers your question.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

I assume we are talking about Christianity since we are talking about sin, so I have to ask you, why accept God but reject his teachings?

Why are you the one to say who's sinning and who isn't? If you really believe in the Christian God you would have known that only God have the authority to judge people for sinning.

"Let the wicked be wicked"
"Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone"

If you really believe in Christianity, you will let God make the decision and sort out the good from the wicked on judgment day. Humans judging others as sinner had only lead to more sins. I think Jesus would be ashame to see the kind of stuff people do "in the name of God".

Besides, aside from talking about eternal heaven and hell, the earth is flat, an all pure God who somehow created all evil in this world, an all knowing God who created all suffering, an all powerful God that have no root in his own existence, we are also looking at a religion that believes in dragons and witchcraft and wizardry and decided to give up half their teachings simply for public appeals. The existence of Satan means that either God screw up, which means that he's not all knowing, or that God intended to make him that way, which means that he's not all pure.

So there's only 2 reasonable explanation, either the God of Christianity is fabricated, or that the church have no idea what they are saying and vastly misinterpreted God's message for the longest time. But in both of those cases the church can be nothing but wrong anyway.

I can keep going but I think I have said enough.

there is no god, much as there is no spoon. What there is is, in fact, more complicated than the most brilliant minds of our day can fully comprehend, let alone half a dozen ignorant, multi-thousand-year-dead biggots who didn't even treat their wives with the same respect as they would their dog.

And have you actually READ any religous text? at best it avoids anything to do with the real world and speaks of inter and intrapersonal relationships, at worst it tells you the world is younger than civilisation itself.

I reject god because it's a load of last night's partially digested foodstuffs.

The Magistrate, Deneb V

I reject god because it's a load of last night's partially digested foodstuffs.


Question is ... as dense as Randy's contribution, or Bono's?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

I thought that the Christian idea.

That is a question you ought to ask a liberal, not me.

That was quite good.

Anyway, they reject God because...they don't believe he exists. Duh. Why do you reject Gilfig, or Wiulio?

I don't believe in gods for the same reason I don't believe in faeries or gnomes.

So you are some god's lawyer? With a power of attorney and stuff?

And which one of the gods was that again?

Why do you reject God?
Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

So there's only 2 reasonable explanation, either the God of Christianity is fabricated, or that the church have no idea what they are saying and vastly misinterpreted God's message for the longest time. But in both of those cases the church can be nothing but wrong anyway.

Fair enough. :)

There are mainly three reasons because of which the West man finds it difficult to believe in God: Feuerbach, Marx and Freud. It is a long thing to explain, though.

There are mainly three reasons because of which the West man finds it difficult to believe in God: Feuerbach, Marx and Freud. It is a long thing to explain, though.

Ah, you're forgetting something fairly obvious : some people can and do think for themselves, and don't need some other entity to do it for them.
That doesn't take any time at all to explain.
And, you forgot Nietsche on your idolatry litany. ;)

I don't reject God. I reject His fan club. :)

I used to like them, then I got trampled by a group of rabid fan-peoples charging to the nearest "God Sighting". It turns out that it was only the local octogenarian, who had recently misplaced his razor. I still didn't get an appology. Very frustrating.

I don't reject God. I reject His fan club. :)

I don't reject God. I reject His fan club. :)Never a better context

God: You know, before I answer any more questions there's something I wanted to say. Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled... y'know... hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a religion! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're dressed! You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!

[ a crowd of shocked and dismayed worshippers.... ]

I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?

[ to "Ears" ] You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?

[ "Ears" hangs his head ]

I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't overinterpret scripture! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a religion dammit, IT'S JUST A RELIGION!

Charlie: Are- are you saying then that we should pay more attention to the Apocrypha?

God: NO!!! THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL!!! HEY, YOU GUYS ARE... THE LAMEST BUNCH... I'VE NEVER SEEN... [ walks away from podium ] I can't believe these people... I mean, I really can't understand what's....

There are mainly three reasons because of which the West man finds it difficult to believe in God: Feuerbach, Marx and Freud. It is a long thing to explain, though.

WTF? So you're saying without those three men there wouldn't be atheism in the world? Or at least popular atheism?

His package deal was terrible. Long and pricey investment terms with vague returns. And sole power to terminate the contract? Nuh-uh.

Now if he offered ROIs like this, it might be worth it.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0492.html

The residence laws need some work though.

There are mainly three reasons because of which the West man finds it difficult to believe in God: Feuerbach, Marx and Freud. It is a long thing to explain, though.

Hardly.

Anyway, Epicurus was beating the atheist drum two and a half millennia before any of those three. (Not to mention he managed to do it in less than 500 words).

-Get A Life speech- Never a better context

Yay! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzN8mGEqSc

Yay! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzN8mGEqSc

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It's the SHORT version! noooooooooooooooooooooo!

I laughed so hard. Until GMC Military Arms misinterpreted my point when i posted that, and he deleted my post in entirety. o.9

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

its not that i just reject god, i reject religion in general. Jesus, the apostles, walking on water, you know the entire shooting match. And furthermore, you have to believe in sin to take resposibility. Being a good moral human being, yes... sinner....not so much. BTW FRODO ROCKS THANK YOU! LOL:p

Nope. Not me. *points to the person beside him*

Hmm... I haven't quite rejected God, that would be impolite. God has been offered to me like, let's say, a book I can't really get into. But it would be rude to send it back, or sell it in a garage sale, so I keep God on my shelf. Sometimes I think about Him, but pretty much only in passing.

That is, of course, assuming you speak of the Christian God. I have my own, unique spirituality, but it has very little to do with Christianity.

Nope. Not me. *points to the person beside him*

*passes popcorn*

God has been offered to me like, let's say, a book I can't really get into. But it would be rude to send it back, or sell it in a garage sale, so I keep God on my shelf. Sometimes I think about Him, but pretty much only in passing.
Ooh, ooh - the "Finnegan's Wake" Analogy. Good. *bows*

*passes popcorn*
Thanks. *munches on popcorn* Who is this doG they are talking about?

Thanks. *munches on popcorn* Who is this doG they are talking about?

I am uncertain. But I have heard it is a bitch ;)

Thanks. *munches on popcorn* Who is this doG they are talking about?

I dunno, but it gets screamed about regularly by my neighbours and a few people who wander around by the bus terminals.

I don´t reject God, I am God. Much easier that way. :D

Well, I just see no evidence for any God. I still try to live an ethic life, and I am not missing anything, despite everything the Christians might say.

I am uncertain. But I have heard it is a bitch ;)
LOL.

I dunno, but it gets screamed about regularly by my neighbours and a few people who wander around by the bus terminals.
Is that because them doG pee on those waiting on the bus stop? By the way, who owns this doG?

Is that because them doG pee on those waiting on the bus stop? Not so much, they have these signs saying something about a blessing while they pilfer change ... i think, also, it's interchangeable with "the Man".
By the way, who owns this doG?Shareware. Beta. Still workin' the kinks.

You can't reject something that DOESN'T EXIST. ;)

Not so much, they have these signs saying something about a blessing while they pilfer change ... i think, also, it's interchangeable with "the Man".
Shareware. Beta. Still workin' the kinks.
You sure it isn't some malicious program that makes me send change to various seedy sites?

I don't reject God, but I don't believe in the concept of 'sinning'. I believe in a learning process, but there are still some rules of course. Some things you just can't do, but mostly the consequences are such that people hopefully learn that something isn't a good idea to do. But about which God are you talking? I think about the Christian one, but also there are so many flavours that it is not clear yet.

You sure it isn't some malicious program that makes me send change to various seedy sites?

You mean like "tithe.exe" ?

You mean like "tithe.exe" ?
Somehow that sounds more lewdly malicious.

Somehow that sounds more lewdly malicious.

Only the best kind. :cool:

Only the best kind. :cool:
Then why are your neighbors complainin'?

Then why are your neighbors complainin'?

They seem to have problems finding the "any key"

They seem to have problems finding the "any key"
"any key"? is that for rejectin' doG?

God who?

I don't reject G/god(s).

I just think their existence is completely irrelevant.

Ooh, ooh - the "Finnegan's Wake" Analogy. Good. *bows*

The what now? oO Have I been accidentally intelligent, or accidentally stupid? :p

I don't reject G/god(s).

I just think their existence is completely irrelevant.Until they smite you with a hail storm... :p

I certainly do not reject Odin and his one-eyed presence ;)

Thor however...

I just like the atheist lifestyle, eating babies, raping nuns, burning churches, it's all great fun.

I certainly do not reject Odin and his one-eyed presence ;)

Thor however...

That's it. Piss off the guy with the throwing hammer. He aims for the crotch, you know. :p

I just like the atheist lifestyle, eating babies, raping nuns, burning churches, it's all great fun.

Yay! :D

Yay! :D

No pie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM

ha, pie-fights, the atheists liturgy.

No pie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM

Having studied my various flaws in the mirror, I have come to the conclusion that god needs to take some night classes in design. If he wanted my loyalty, well, by god he should have given me a prettier face!

Having studied my various flaws in the mirror, I have come to the conclusion that god needs to take some night classes in design. If he wanted my loyalty, well, by god he should have given me a prettier face!Maybe he gave your face to you for this complaint? In advance, you know.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

More like believing in god absolves us from responsibility. Without god, it's up to us to act morally

Well, God's never asked me out, so I couldn't say I've rejected him as such. I'd be open to the possibility if he did it nicely and all, not with the whole angry lightning thing I've heard about.

Well, God's never asked me out, so I couldn't say I've rejected him as such. I'd be open to the possibility if he did it nicely and all, not with the whole angry lightning thing I've heard about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi0QfDDA1ZA

:)

Well, God's never asked me out, so I couldn't say I've rejected him as such. I'd be open to the possibility if he did it nicely and all, not with the whole angry lightning thing I've heard about.I'd like to say the same, but since I'm a shallow fucker, I'd like to know how the man God created in his image looked, before I agree to anything. Oh and, God, if you have one of those traditional Abrahamite hairstyles, don't bother asking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi0QfDDA1ZA

:)

Hehe :)

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

There is no way to reject 'God' because in order to reject him, you first need a belief in this entity, which is lacking in my case. Secondly, in order to believe one has sin, one must have a set of divinely inspired laws that lay the foundation of morality and thus, defining what is a sin, and for those laws to exist, 'God' must have dictated them. As these two conditions fail to exist, it is not possible to reject something that doesn't exist.

Further, one is absolving themselves of responsibility by believing in a god because for example with Calvinism, there is no freewill so then all the actions of the believer are not the believer's responsibility as they do not have freewill. Their actions are a result of their 'God'; how truly irresponsible.

What if the believe in Jesus or go to hell "crap" is real? Then the believers are going to heaven and the non-believers are going to hell. If not we all rot in the grave the same. And hell described by the bible is not a place were parties will happen.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?
I just love the more hedonistic end of life too much. Sorry. :fluffle:

That's it. Piss off the guy with the throwing hammer. He aims for the crotch, you know. :p

Yep, Thor aims for the huevos. That's why Dr. Doom wears three layers of hypertransdimensional adamantium vibranium codpieces.

@OP: If you "reject God", how is that absolving yourself of anything?

Now, joining a religion where the blood sacrifice of an innocent person, (who's willing to do it as long as he gets your total eternal obedience), gets you absolved for your sins...that's trying to get yourself absolved by having somebody else take the punishment for your actions. Why, without washing yourself in somebody else's blood, you'd have to own up to your own shit...

What if the believe in Jesus or go to hell "crap" is real? Then the believers are going to heaven and the non-believers are going to hell. If not we all rot in the grave the same. And hell described by the bible is not a place were parties will happen.
OMGPASCAL'SWAGER!
...IMO j00 would be scr00d if t3h Invisible Pink Unicorn existed. Pwnt.

What if the believe in Jesus or go to hell "crap" is real? Then the believers are going to heaven and the non-believers are going to hell. If not we all rot in the grave the same. And hell described by the bible is not a place were parties will happen.

Those aren't the only two options.

Might as well ask, what if this "Allah" stuff is real, better convert Islam just to be safe, by that logic.

Remember, being a "believer" in Jesus as a Messiah makes you the disbeliever in dozens of other religions.

If you want to buy into it to get into heaven, there are other religions with a paradise. To be consistent, you'd have to sign up for all of them, too.

http://catmas.com/images/2006/12/where-is-your-god-now-preview.jpg

it's cuz he smells... down there *points crotchward*

You have to wonder, if the divine sky kitty manifested, would people flee, or fill a football stadium with sand for it to shit in.
Les deux.

http://catmas.com/images/2006/12/where-is-your-god-now-preview.jpg

You have to wonder, if the divine sky kitty manifested, would people flee, or fill a football stadium with sand for it to shit in.

What if the believe in Jesus or go to hell "crap" is real? Then the believers are going to heaven and the non-believers are going to hell. If not we all rot in the grave the same. And hell described by the bible is not a place were parties will happen.

One the other side, what if for example the old Norse beliefs is right? Then all Christians will go to Hel(yes, it´s called Hel, not Hell). If Buddhism is right, then you won´t reach nirvana. If the UFO-guys are right, then I have no idea what will happen to everybody(probably something painful :D). And if the Atheists is right, everyone will just rotten. So, it´s not important what religion you believe in, you will go to some Hell whatever you do. There are at least 10,000 religions, so the chance for Christanity to be right is at the best(for the Christians) 1 chance on 10,000.
Conclusion: Don´t care about religion, your going to Hell whatever you do. Just party, you only got one life. :p

it's cuz he smells... down there *points crotchward*

Should we...you know...tell him?

I mean, on the one hand, you always want to help a guy out, so he can fix it, but...

I dunno, seems kinda weird to bring it up.

I dont reject god
i am god:fluffle::upyours::mad::(:gundge::):eek::cool::headbang:

One the other side, what if for example the old Norse beliefs is right? Then all Christians will go to Hel(yes, it´s called Hel, not Hell). If Buddhism is right, then you won´t reach nirvana. If the UFO-guys are right, then I have no idea what will happen to everybody(probably something painful :D). And if the Atheists is right, everyone will just rotten. So, it´s not important what religion you believe in, you will go to some Hell whatever you do. There are at least 10,000 religions, so the chance for Christanity to be right is at the best(for the Christians) 1 chance on 10,000.
Conclusion: Don´t care about religion, your going to Hell whatever you do. Just party, you only got one life. :p

Right now, there's a brilliant philsopher collaborating with a madly insightful mathematician, and they finally resolve all the beliefs of the world and reduce the conclusion to one word.

And they're looking at the screen, thinking "What the fuck is a Xenu?"

Why do you reject God?
Reject what?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility?

No.

Well?

Because the "God" concept is ridiculous on its face, because any god who would tolerate the evils of the world isn't a god I'm inclined to worship, and because there isn't the slightest evidence in favor of His existence.

And they're looking at the screen, thinking "What the fuck is a Xenu?"

Me, probably. I have long suspected that I am the meaning of life, the universe and everything. And my name will be 42. :D

I reject god because I'm not delusional.

5. "They've got it all wrong. Freedom of speech isn't the problem, religion is!" shouts DragonAtma at a local AA (Atheists Anonymous) meeting. "If religion were outlawed, this problem would solve itself. Just send them in for medical treatment. After all, anyone who believes in some big invisible dude who can do anything is clearly nuts."

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Okay, junior. I don't reject God wholesale. What I reject are sanctimonious fearmongers like you who claim to speak for Him. If rejecting God means rejecting your egregiously sinful pride and hypocrisy, then so be it. All that means is I reject God as YOU project him, and sonny, that's no sin.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?
Why do you reject Brahmin?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

How can you reject what doesn't exist?

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/4/41/No_More_Nails.jpg

I don't know what you're talking about, I'd never reject God. It's just, the big guy has never made a pass at me. I don't know if he's just too shy, or if I'm too ugly, or maybe he believed all those rumors about me being a slut and having herpes. Well, they're not true!
Maybe I should start wearing a pink miniskirt, do you think he'd notice me then?

I don't know what you're talking about, I'd never reject God. It's just, the big guy has never made a pass at me. I don't know if he's just too shy, or if I'm too ugly, or maybe he believed all those rumors about me being a slut and having herpes. Well, they're not true!
Maybe I should start wearing a pink miniskirt, do you think he'd notice me then?

Pink miniskirt? I'm noticing you. But I'm still not making a pass at you.

Even if I was 100% sure there was a god I still wouldn't worship it. Why worship anything? My parents gave life to me, and while I respect them (because they are decent parents), I do not give 100% unconditional love or respect, as no one should for anything.

Why does a god deserve any love or respect? As strange as it sounds, if someone created me, I certainly would never dedicate my whole life to them.

Even if I was 100% sure there was a god I still wouldn't worship it. Why worship anything? My parents gave life to me, and while I respect them (because they are decent parents), I do not give 100% unconditional love or respect, as no one should for anything.

Why does a god deserve any love or respect? As strange as it sounds, if someone created me, I certainly would never dedicate my whole life to them.Why would a god even demand such worship? Inferiority complex?

Why would a god even demand such worship? Inferiority complex?

Exactly! You're awesome, why do people at this forum hate you?

Why would a god even demand such worship? Inferiority complex?
What else is he going to do with his time? He's omniscient, so playing trivia games would be an exercise in futility and any movie he tried to watch would be automatically spoiled by his ability to see the future; omnipotence would make most sports get boring after a while; and he apparently frowns on masturbation, so that's out.

Exactly! You're awesome, why do people at this forum hate you?Eh? Who hates UB, if you don't mind me asking?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Why do you accept old wife's tales from the middle east as truth? Is it because you are so gullible you'll believe anything? Well?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Hmmmm. Accepting God means I get forgiven for my sins and absolved of all responsibility. Not accepting God means I'm not responsible to begin with. It's a win-win situation.

Funny, I had always thought that religious people sin much more than non-religious people do, from my point of view.

I'm a Jewish Agnostic. I don't think I reject God I would just like to see something closer to harder proof. After all if someone told me any random thing I wouldn't just believe it unless I was an idiot. Same with religion. Trust me if Jesus shows up at my doorstep and is all forgiving and loving as you make it sound wouldn't he offer me a choice to convert?

PS

Most of your Christian holidays are pagan and having nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th either.



You are right that the holidays that were made national are not the real dates. But the catholic church made it that way for what ever reason. The thing is the day does not madder. Fact that it is true does.

On other madders, alot of peoples excuse for not beliving in him is why does he not "Show him self to me" if he is real wouldn't he? Problem with that is no madder what you seen you most likly would not change your mind. I mean look at Jesus's time, When People SEEN HIM! and all he did, but yet they still killed him and did not follow him. that excuse is just an excuse.

Eh? Who hates UB, if you don't mind me asking?Jews, Christians, simple-minded people... :)

I'm a Jewish Agnostic. I don't think I reject God I would just like to see something closer to harder proof. After all if someone told me any random thing I wouldn't just believe it unless I was an idiot. Same with religion. Trust me if Jesus shows up at my doorstep and is all forgiving and loving as you make it sound wouldn't he offer me a choice to convert?

PS

Most of your Christian holidays are pagan and having nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th either.

Sorry, don't believe in, fear, worry about, worship, or recognize the existence of Satan anymore than God.


Just because you don't belive in there existence does not change the fact that there there.

Take a walk with me here, a little Idealic though.
OK if your right and there is no God and I was wrong, and I died what happens to me?????? Nothing
hmmm what if your wrong and there is a God? and you died? There is something to lose in this route.

Funny, I had always thought that religious people sin much more than non-religious people do, from my point of view.

of course, atheists don't know something like sin.

You are right that the holidays that were made national are not the real dates. But the catholic church made it that way for what ever reason. The thing is the day does not madder. Fact that it is true does.

On other madders, alot of peoples excuse for not beliving in him is why does he not "Show him self to me" if he is real wouldn't he? Problem with that is no madder what you seen you most likly would not change your mind. I mean look at Jesus's time, When People SEEN HIM! and all he did, but yet they still killed him and did not follow him. that excuse is just an excuse.

Please provide proof of Jesus being seen.

Just because you don't belive in there existence does not change the fact that there there.Wow.
Just because you don't believe in their existence does not change the fact that they're there.

Please provide proof of Jesus being seen.Or evidence at least.

Just because you don't belive in there existence does not change the fact that there there.

Take a walk with me here, a little Idealic though.
OK if your right and there is no God and I was wrong, and I died what happens to me?????? Nothing
hmmm what if your wrong and there is a God? and you died? There is something to lose in this route.

By that logic we should worship every god ever invented by man, just in case they turn out to be non-fiction.

OK if your right and there is no God and I was wrong, and I died what happens to me?????? Nothing
While you're right about the afterlife, you're still wrong in general because something does happen to you. By fearing and living your life according to a myth, you lose out because you have been unable to truly live free of the fear that your soul will possibly be tormented after you die.

Maybe. But really; I had to work the entire relationship. He never even TRIED to call me, never wrote... nothing! No communication at all. Nerve of that guy...



Let him be lonely, I say. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and actually not be so deceitful and unfaithful.


lol? He (should i uses this word)loves us all with all. That he sent his only born son to let us came back to him.
hmmmm

By that logic we should worship every god ever invented by man, just in case they turn out to be non-fiction.Well, why don't you?

I reject God for the same reason I reject Frodo Baggins.

*gasp*

FRODO LIVES!

Please provide proof of Jesus being seen.
What, like on a waffle or in the mold formations on a shower curtain? That happens every couple years, just do a Google search for "Jesus French toast" or "Jesus potato chip."

Maybe. But really; I had to work the entire relationship. He never even TRIED to call me, never wrote... nothing! No communication at all. Nerve of that guy...


.........Are you trying to turn His love for us into some perves sick thing?

The thing is the day does not madder. Fact that it is true does.Prove it.

On other madders, alot of peoples excuse for not beliving in him is why does he not "Show him self to me" if he is real wouldn't he? Problem with that is no madder what you seen you most likly would not change your mind. I mean look at Jesus's time, When People SEEN HIM! and all he did, but yet they still killed him and did not follow him. that excuse is just an excuse.Bollox. Prove your religion isn't make-believe and I'll accept it in a heartbeat.

Not that I'll start worshipping it. On the contrary, I'd do my best to sabotage it. After all, it's not some benign entity we're talking about, but a murderous monster without morals, mercy or regard for any life and liberty save its own. If such a beast exists, I consider it the duty of humanity to destroy it utterly.

I CAN SAFELY SAY:

If any or all of you, Truthy whole heartedly gave God and Jesus a chance to came into your heart you would learn the truth. But this aruging for the internet does not work, Before you will even heard what u have to you i have to help you and you seen soemthign different about me. That can't happen here. So i not going to spend any more time on this.

If you want to talk more about this with an open mind(or a chirstian who like to talk) My msn is sizzle45@hotmail.com

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?

Well, why don't you?

Hmmm...I think I'll start my day sacrificing prisoners of war to tzenxxxrrzzzthloth the sun god with eight heads, as I cut their throats I'll be facing mecca and praising Allah. Then I'll head to the church and confess to murder to a catholic priest while I try to clear my head and think of nothing and put on my magic mormon underwear. Then I'll...uhm...This crap is a full time job. I think I'll rather go without all that drivel and continue not believing.

.........Are you trying to turn His love for us into some perves sick thing?

Because there isn't anything more perverse and sick than relationships and maybe, dare is say it .... sex?

What, like on a waffle or in the mold formations on a shower curtain? That happens every couple years, just do a Google search for "Jesus French toast" or "Jesus potato chip."

That would be an image, not the actual guy.

Logical conclusion: what he did wasn't all that impressive.

on the other hand, if I had a friend who could turn water in wine I would constantly follow him.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?

Everything. Living your life in fear because if you piss off some imaginary sky friend, one slip up eternally damns you to Hell?

Fearing the unknown; that's why people who profit on terrorism win. As long as there is fear, they will win. Even if source is imaginary, if it creates fear, someone will capitalise off it.

On other madders, alot of peoples excuse for not beliving in him is why does he not "Show him self to me" if he is real wouldn't he? Problem with that is no madder what you seen you most likly would not change your mind. I mean look at Jesus's time, When People SEEN HIM! and all he did, but yet they still killed him and did not follow him.

Logical conclusion: what he did wasn't all that impressive.

By that logic we should worship every god ever invented by man, just in case they turn out to be non-fiction.

If you truthly put yourself and accept a god should not he reveal himself to you? I only found this in one religion:Chirstian, When i was saved it was not i just said a magicial prayer. I felt the holy spirt inner into me,So i don't have to belive in anything esle i found the truth and i am not secpial about it.

Any truth Chirstian can testy of his spirt enter into them. It is amazing when it happens. If you want prof only prof i cna give you is that when you truthly put you faith in Jesus and what he did and accept it you know he is real.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?

My self respect? My ability to think for myself? My lack of prejudice against those who commit "sins" that are not sins? My freedom to love everyone, even if they are gay or Muslim or (dare I say it?) liberals?

And at least an hour or two on Sunday mornings when I could be sleeping in.

By the way, my father was a minister, and was totally cool with me not believing in any gods. Why is it so important to you that I do?

i am not secpial about it.

you see, that's the problem, you're not secpial enough.

You should download a spell-checking (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3)plug-in.

If you truthly put yourself and accept a god should not he reveal himself to you? I only found this in one religion:Chirstian, When i was saved it was not i just said a magicial prayer. I felt the holy spirt inner into me,So i don't have to belive in anything esle i found the truth and i am not secpial about it.

Any truth Chirstian can testy of his spirt enter into them. It is amazing when it happens. If you want prof only prof i cna give you is that when you truthly put you faith in Jesus and what he did and accept it you know he is real.

Would this be when I say I've tried to accept God and failed so you tell me without even knowing me that I'm a liar or I haven't tried hard enough because that has happened a lot to me on this forum..

Yes. I reject God because I'm such a sinner, I want absolution and I just don't know what else to do. Please, anonymous internet fundie troll, help me out of my spiritual crisis. *breaks down, sobbing*

If you truthly put yourself and accept a god should not he reveal himself to you? I only found this in one religion:Chirstian, When i was saved it was not i just said a magicial prayer. I felt the holy spirt inner into me,So i don't have to belive in anything esle i found the truth and i am not secpial about it.

Any truth Chirstian can testy of his spirt enter into them. It is amazing when it happens. If you want prof only prof i cna give you is that when you truthly put you faith in Jesus and what he did and accept it you know he is real.


If you sacrifice 150 slaves to zxxxrentrezithothlllz the transexual sun god on top of the pumba pyramids at sunrise he will make rain for you. It's true because I know it in my heart.

That's great! Tell me, how many other religions did you try first?

Or since, for that matter.

Madder, by the way Lairen, is what we get when someone doesn't bother to check their own spelling.

If you truthly put yourself and accept a god should not he reveal himself to you? I only found this in one religion:Chirstian,

That's great! Tell me, how many other religions did you try first?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

No.

I reject the Judeao-Christian and Islamic god because his morals are to cock. Any divine being with total power which stands by and allows his own creation to cause hideous suffering for thousands of years isn't worth worshipping.

That, and I doubt the existence of any single super-powerful entity in the vein of the main religions. Jupiter, Thor, the spirits of the wood-gods, sure, but YWH? Nah.

In other words, there is no God - and if there is, S/He isn't worth worshipping.

What, like on a waffle or in the mold formations on a shower curtain? That happens every couple years, just do a Google search for "Jesus French toast" or "Jesus potato chip."

http://www.alittleleaven.com/images/2007/05/01/jesuspan.jpg

:)

The problem with Christianity is that it is not óne homogeneous religion. Christianity does in fact not exist: you are either Catholic, protestant, methodist, etcetera... not a Christian.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Why do you reject Eris? Is it because you fear freedom?

You have to wonder, if the divine sky kitty manifested, would people flee, or fill a football stadium with sand for it to shit in.

I'd find a truck load of catnip to get Divine Sky Kitty high.

The problem with Christianity is that it is not óne homogeneous religion. Christianity does in fact not exist: you are either Catholic, protestant, methodist, etcetera... not a Christian.

Not true. I'm a christian.

I reject God because the membership council deemed that he was not suitable for our club. It's nothing personal.

You are right that the holidays that were made national are not the real dates. But the catholic church made it that way for what ever reason. The thing is the day does not madder. Fact that it is true does.

On other madders, alot of peoples excuse for not beliving in him is why does he not "Show him self to me" if he is real wouldn't he? Problem with that is no madder what you seen you most likly would not change your mind. I mean look at Jesus's time, When People SEEN HIM! and all he did, but yet they still killed him and did not follow him. that excuse is just an excuse.

MATTER, MATTER! Dear gods, at least it's punctuated and capitalized in the right places . . .

Riddle me this one Batman: how is anyone's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) anyone else's business? Why follow Jesus rather than Moses, Mohammed, the Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Guru Nanak Dev, Bahá'u'lláh, or Krishna; especially when so many evangelicals actually seem more fond of quoting Paul rather than Jesus? Who got to decide that only those who follow an Evangelical Protestant sect count as Christian? If you truly seek converts, why berate and belittle those with defferent opinions or lifestyles under the guise of "saving their souls"? Why pretend to care about others?

how is anyone's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) anyone else's business?

Most religions have some kind of reward for converting/killing non-believers.

I assume you mean the christian "god". The reason why I reject him is because his message is anti-human. It rejects and disdains all those things that make us human, the things you term "sin". And, what with me being human, I'd rather my Gods be supportive of that.

Because he won't protect me from his so-called followers. I've never seen so much hate and narrow mindedness as I do from monotheistic religions. Okay, maybe I've seen lots of that elsewhere but from religions that claim peace and love that's terrible.

Religion should be a personal thing some say, but it just can't for me, especially when I'm disgusted by how some people who claim to follow a god act and speak. To add, lots of the holy texts by these religions have segments that promote cruelty toward other human beings.

Anyway, why do people need to be threatened by an invisible sky daddy to be nice to one another? Life is hard as it is, regardless of afterlife we shouldn't make it harder for anyone else.

Religion? About control? Certainly not! :rolleyes:

How dare you even imply that?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Actually, many (if not most) other non-montheistic religions have the idea of karma - even if not by that name, the idea is still there. You know, the idea of that you will pay for your sins in this life or the next. These people have no delusions of escaping responsibility from their sins. With this idea there is no escaping your mistakes, so you may as well get to work on fixing them and making the world a better place for the next generation because (via reincarnation) you're going to be in that next generation to live in the world you've created.

Who is dodging the bill on sin? The Christians. See, they don't believe in karma or it's iseas by any name. They believe that Jesus will absolve all their sins for free just so long as they worship him & his dad. So snort coke, bang hookers, rape your neighbors dog, it's all okay so long as you admit that you're a sinner before God, accept Jesus into your heart and tithe generously at church every Sunday. Oh, and don't worry about screwing up the world for future generations - you'll be off in heaven by then so it's not your problem.

It's always easiuer to just beg forgivance than to actually live up to one's mistakes, because the latter is to accept the burden of having to make up & be responsible, while the former is a "get out of Hell free" card & effectively permission to just keep screwing up.

Most religions have some kind of reward for converting/killing non-believers.

I know, but that doesn't change the fact that unless the true purpose of religion is control rather than "salvation" or "enlightenment" or "spiritual nourishment", there's no reason to stick one's nose into another's personal life. Religion? About control? Certainly not! :rolleyes:

I reject god, but not the Goddess. There are no rules anywhere, Eris prevails

Oh, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, hes a legend too ~OO~

And the Invisible Pink Unicorn

But god? Screw him. Miserable old bastard

I don't reject God. I believe he exists and that he is all powerful, I make a decision every day to follow my own selfish desires. While I'm not entirely happy this way, it is my choice. And that is the beauty of what has been offered us. It is a choice. If you choose to reject God, you're allowed. If you choose to despise him, well, you're allowed to do that as well. If you don't believe he exists, than so be it. It is you're choice.
It is entirely up to each and every individual what they want to do. Make your own desicions, and be content with each and every one because eventually you'll be held accountable.
Civilization revolves around accountability. If you believe that you just magically came into being one day I believe you're a foolish human being. We will be held accountable sooner or later. Seriously, think about it. It just makes sense. Your whole life people have been making sure that you 'tow the line'. It won't change Just because you're dead. You've been created, now you're just going to have to deal with it. Go ahead and pretend that there is just a big abyss full of nothing after death. But I firmly believe that if you look deep down inside your soul you will know that there is something after death.
As for me, I wish there wasn't (Life after death). I'm a mean man. I hold people accountable for their actions. I'll continue to hold people accountable, just because I can. Maybe someday I'll grow up and start to live my life accordingly. But for now....

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?Mental sanity. And freedom as a human.

Not true. I'm a christian.Your real first name is Christian?

Reject Gods? Never!

I worship Dionysus all the time.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

The Flying Spaghettie Monster would kill me if i did.

Reject Gods? Never!

I worship Dionysus all the time.

I kind of lean towards Loki.

I CAN SAFELY SAY:

Watch out for Thor's hammer. His right hand told me that he aims for the crotch.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?

Honestly?

I'd rather you be hit by his great lightning hammer than I. I mean, at least I have Odin on my side, but who do you have?

The old gods are so much cooler, arent they? And they make a lot more sense, thats for sure.

Seriously, I'd probably take Christianity more seriously if you people stopped trying to force me to

Reject Gods? Never!

I worship Dionysus all the time.In which manifestation? As the drunkard Bacchus or as the more serious Osiris of Hellenistic times?

I kind of lean towards Loki.

Dare I say it?

Blasphemer!

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

I don't believe in the idea of the Christian God because of the common Christian mantra (among some Christians) of "you either believe, word for word what the Bible says, or your going to rot in hell." and the whole "If you do anything that contradicts the Bible you are "sinning" and will get a free ticket to hell"

Your real first name is Christian?

Depends who is asking. :)

Depends who is asking. :)

Don't worry, we're not from the IRS.

Well, I'm not.


Oh, and I reject God because the Liberal Baby Eating Godless Commies Club have awesome parties.

Well, there's also the fact that someone matching my description and going by several different aliases is wanted in several states for a brutal string of tickle attacks on rural mail carriers. Not that there is any connection to me, of course. But you can never be too careful. ;)

Don't you hate when someone who looks like you goes around drawing police attention? Very incoveniencing.

Don't worry, we're not from the IRS.

Well, I'm not.



Well, there's also the fact that someone matching my description and going by several different aliases is wanted in several states for a brutal string of tickle attacks on rural mail carriers. Not that there is any connection to me, of course. But you can never be too careful. ;)

In which manifestation? As the drunkard Bacchus or as the more serious Osiris of Hellenistic times?

The "ecstasy, personal delivery from the daily world through physical or spiritual intoxication, and initiation into secret rites." one.

Jews, Christians, simple-minded people... :)

I'm a Christian. I don't hate you.

Okay, junior. I don't reject God wholesale. What I reject are sanctimonious fearmongers like you who claim to speak for Him. If rejecting God means rejecting your egregiously sinful pride and hypocrisy, then so be it. All that means is I reject God as YOU project him, and sonny, that's no sin.
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That's pretty much like me. I don't reject God at all. I just don't believe in the one projected by mankind (which includes the Bible, since it was written and revised by mankind), I believe in the one who I believe I know. And that God is rather different. And much more loving and forgiving and worthy of worship. And encompases the gods of all religions (aka, those are all of his/her/its various forms).

Riddle me this one Batman: how is anyone's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) anyone else's business? Why follow Jesus rather than Moses, Mohammed, the Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Guru Nanak Dev, Bahá'u'lláh, or Krishna; especially when so many evangelicals actually seem more fond of quoting Paul rather than Jesus? Who got to decide that only those who follow an Evangelical Protestant sect count as Christian? If you truly seek converts, why berate and belittle those with defferent opinions or lifestyles under the guise of "saving their souls"? Why pretend to care about others?
Hear hear!

BTW, apparently there is a brain module that results in our feeling religious/like we just had a religious experience/we just had an experience with a god(dess). So there is a biological reason for religion, and why some people feel more religious than others. Dogma, on the other hand, is just the inherent stupidity of most humans. Probably involving Us vs. Them.

Indeed. Especially when you are out there drawing your own. *nod*

Feckin look-a-likes. Stealin all my glory.

Don't you hate when someone who looks like you goes around drawing police attention? Very incoveniencing.

Indeed. Especially when you are out there drawing your own. *nod*

My self respect? My ability to think for myself? My lack of prejudice against those who commit "sins" that are not sins? My freedom to love everyone, even if they are gay or Muslim or (dare I say it?) liberals?

And at least an hour or two on Sunday mornings when I could be sleeping in.

By the way, my father was a minister, and was totally cool with me not believing in any gods. Why is it so important to you that I do?

The problem with chirstiany today is the chirstians think all they have to do is accepted him. They do not go any farther. So you see a lot of people calling themselfs chirstians but are just as bad as sinners. This causes conflict and people start looking down on what they see.

God wants us to love everyone but as i saaid before most chirstians think are not going bye what true chirstianity means. You also don't lose you ability to have choose. Most Chirstians don't go farther than accepting them. Just like your father didn't care if you followed God or not, that was his chose not God's.


Why it is important to me? Why should it not. If you really belive you found the truth and you could really save people why would you to belive.
God is just such a loving God, Even if there was not heaven or Hell and God was was still God. I would still choose him because the joy and love he gives in now day life is worth it. If you look at the world and really look at it from a outsider point of view. You see that humans naturaly do evil. Think about it, all the things people do. almost non of the thinngs they do is truthly for other people. There is some reason there doing it, something that they might benift. This world needs a savior. And Thank God HE sent Jesus. Now we all have a chance to have life more abundently.

My self respect? My ability to think for myself? My lack of prejudice against those who commit "sins" that are not sins? My freedom to love everyone, even if they are gay or Muslim or (dare I say it?) liberals?

And at least an hour or two on Sunday mornings when I could be sleeping in.

By the way, my father was a minister, and was totally cool with me not believing in any gods. Why is it so important to you that I do?

The problem with chirstiany today is the chirstians think all they have to do is accepted him. They do not go any farther. So you see a lot of people calling themselfs chirstians but are just as bad as sinners. This causes conflict and people start looking down on what they see.

fyi, i am not saying your dad was not a good chirstian. some times people do what they want to do and not allways what God wants to do. I have this problem to it is hard to do what God wants you to do. But i have to I love you and everyone esle not to follow him and i own it to him.

God wants us to love everyone but as i saaid before most chirstians are just saved by grace never go farther. Alot of what you think are what is makes a chirstian is not what makes one. Just what you seen from some "so-called Chirstians" which is what most are(over 80% are just Chirstians saved by grace) true chirstianity is a very close relationship. But all you do is have to accept him but there is so much more.

You also don't lose you ability to have choose. Most Chirstians don't go farther than accepting them they choose this God does not want this. Just like your father didn't care if you followed God or not, that was his chose not God's. God wants you to follow him and that is why your here and i am here. Because HE wants you to follow him.


Why it is important to me? Why should it not. If you really belive you found the truth and you could really save people and just be with the loving God why wouldn't i care? God is just such a loving God, Even if there was not heaven or Hell and God was was still God. I would still choose him because the joy and love he gives in now day life is worth it.

If you look at the world and really look at it from a outsider point of view. You see that humans naturaly do evil. Think about it, all the things people do. almost non of the thinngs they do is truthly for other people. There is some reason there doing it, something that they might benift. This world needs a savior. And Thank God HE sent Jesus. Now we all have a chance to have life more abundently.

you see, that's the problem, you're not secpial enough.

You should download a spell-checking (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3)plug-in.



Why should i be? If i know why i belive is truth why should I feel i am wrong. You also should be secpial. Are you sure there is no God?
Look around you, how complex the world is. This could not have just happened something had to make it I do not have to say it is my God But SOME THING HAD TO MAKE IT.

Faith is nothing but believing without adequate proof. Since when has it been a good idea to blindly believe a myth? This sort of behavior is the sort of thing that is only shared by cowards, and fools, and those who have been brainwashed since the time they were young. Please, for the sake of future generations, stop spreading this lie. Reject the myth of God. Let us stand on our own two feet and discover our own truth.

The old gods are so much cooler, arent they? And they make a lot more sense, thats for sure.

Seriously, I'd probably take Christianity more seriously if you people stopped trying to force me to

Thing is Were not trying to "force" you. We are trying to tell the word. But yall resist and some Chirstians don't no how to respond to that. They never went farther into there relationship with God and are just saved. So when you talk to them and they don't know what there doing or saying they end up hurting and not helping. This is my chirstianity will fall. But it suppose to end up like that sometime.

I also understand the fact about how the old church how they have to do hell fire peaching. It does not work. IT makes weak chirstians and also makes people think God is all about Jugment but it is not all about that it is about his love for us alll.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

To be absolutely honest, I had to 'reject' the Biblical 'god' because there's simply not a good enough reason to believe it exists.

Hell, reading the two sciptures, it's pretty obvious that the Christian 'god' and the Jewish 'god' are irreconcilable, so - why believe a book that tries to pretend they are 'one'?

Faith is nothing but believing without adequate proof. Since when has it been a good idea to blindly believe a myth? This sort of behavior is the sort of thing that is only shared by cowards, and fools, and those who have been brainwashed since the time they were young. Please, for the sake of future generations, stop spreading this lie. Reject the myth of God. Let us stand on our own two feet and discover our own truth.

It takes faith to belive in anything. You put faith in that there is no God. so Your own post is to you to.

How is that uh? I will answer with a qeastion my self.
Do you know everything there is to know about everything is this universe?
Hell No you must answer. all of humankinds know information would not even add up to 1% of everything. So how is it for you to say we are beliving a myth? when you don't know 100% of everything to be knowing your right. only Thing can be right is some thign that knows EVERYTHING. That thing would have to be called God.

Thing is Were not trying to "force" you. We are trying to tell the word. But yall resist and some Chirstians don't no how to respond to that. They never went farther into there relationship with God and are just saved. So when you talk to them and they don't know what there doing or saying they end up hurting and not helping. This is my chirstianity will fall. But it suppose to end up like that sometime.

I also understand the fact about how the old church how they have to do hell fire peaching. It does not work. IT makes weak chirstians and also makes people think God is all about Jugment but it is not all about that it is about his love for us alll.

SPELLING! SPELLING, dammit! And for fuck's sake, learn the difference between 'there' and 'their'. Lord and Lady, how can you expect anyone to take your seriously if you can't communicate your message well?

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

No, I reject God because people use religion to absolve themselves of actions that would be considered sins if secularism was a technical religion. Like abducting children and forcing them into an army: see Uganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda) or more specifically the Lord's Resistance Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army). Come on. No one can look at that objectively and realize it's inmoral, regardless of religion or lack thereof.

'Cause God epic phailed at dinner and a movie...

Personally, I believe in God/a god/gawd/creator/entity of origin.

I'm looking at the Hubble Ultra Deep Field and it is rather fascinating. So, regardless of how everything came about in this universe, it is still fascinating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Hubble_ultra_deep_field.jpg

SPELLING! SPELLING, dammit! And for fuck's sake, learn the difference between 'there' and 'their'. Lord and Lady, how can you expect anyone to take your seriously if you can't communicate your message well?

Thank You! That cannot be said enough about the NS forums! (Or religious fanatics who think the KJV of the Bible is the most beautifully written thing ever, yet have barely any ability to articulate themselves)

'Cause God epic phailed at dinner and a movie...

Personally, I believe in God/a god/gawd/creator/entity of origin.

I'm looking at the Hubble Ultra Deep Field and it is rather fascinating. So, regardless of how everything came about in this universe, it is still fascinating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Hubble_ultra_deep_field.jpg

I love that picture. :)

Thing is Were not trying to "force" you. We are trying to tell the word. But yall resist and some Chirstians don't no how to respond to that. They never went farther into there relationship with God and are just saved. So when you talk to them and they don't know what there doing or saying they end up hurting and not helping. This is my chirstianity will fall. But it suppose to end up like that sometime.

I also understand the fact about how the old church how they have to do hell fire peaching. It does not work. IT makes weak chirstians and also makes people think God is all about Jugment but it is not all about that it is about his love for us alll.

And yes, yes you are trying to force us. Okay, maybe not you, but evangelicals in general. how else do you explain attempting to make children say Christian prayers in school? Trying to make laws based on religious faith? Attempting to deny civil rights to people based on religious exclusion?

There are people (Father Andrew Greeley and Bishop Spong, to name two) who actually understand the message that Jesus taught, that the mission of the church (whatever church it may be) is to proclaim God's endless love for all humanity. They're in the minority as far as public figures among Christians.

I'm a Catholic, and I believe (sort of) in God. However, I don't believe in the church, or in religious warfare, or anything like that. Personally, I think Luther's beliefs were the best, as he took his guidance directly from the bible. However, there really can't be such thing as "faith in God". You see, all of the things that we know about God and his wishes have been told to us by the church. So, by faith, we mean faith in the church. The few people who have had actual faith in God have been such notable figures as Abraham, who God actually spoke to. (Or so the bible says) Abraham had faith in God himself, because God, not the church, made a pact with Abraham. However, people like Abraham's family, who didn't hear God or an angel speaking, merely had faith in Abraham.

Understand?

Also, I believe in there being a soul of some sort in each and every one of us, but I can't imagine each one of us just living for 70 years or so, out of infinity, and spending the rest of our time either being tortured or being surrounded by eternal wonderful land, AKA heaven. Wouldn't that get a little bit boring after a while? I'd say that one soul lives several thousand lives, or something. Kind of reincarnation really. I'm not really sure of my beliefs, but I think God's some kind of divine organiser, to decide where everybody goes, and such. The soul definitely can't die, anyway.

Also, quite a few of the people I'm friends with are atheists or simply have a different religion. And all of the people I know who do things like bullying, are rude, or are just not nice people, are Catholics who go to church every Sunday. I believe in the principles (e.g. do not kill, steal, etc.) of Christianity, but not the way it is often carried out. I think that the order of the commandments is a bit self-centred, (killing and stealing come in at about 4th or 5th and worship-God comes first), although I think that might have been messed about with by the bible-writers.

I've been wanting to get that out of my system for a long time.

I love that picture. :)

It is currently my desktop.

I wish my monitor was about 5 times larger so I could view it in all its glory.*

*I wish I could fly around space at will.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Because God is the Devil!

Conloach Donar

Why do you reject God?

I don't.

To expand on my previous post, I have another question: who is anyone to decide that their specific beleifs and interpretations are absolutely correct, and anyone with a viewpoint that differs in the slightest degree (even another christian, let alone an adherent of another religion) has "rejected God"? Are people truly as incapable of accepting disagreement as they seem? Religion is subjective, and believing with all your might that you have the objective truth does not make it so. All it accomplishes is making one appear extremely arrogant.

Before you can meaningfully ask "Why do you reject God?" you really have to explain what you mean by "God."

The nature of God (or, perhaps more precisely, the necessarily imperfect human attempts to understand the nature of God due to His infinite/etc nature) has been a major philosophical argument for, oh, let's see, millenia. I'm not sure how many people even pretend to have some clear understanding of what they mean when they say "God."

I can tell you one vague idea of God that I reject -- the "we're better than you club" version of God, the self-styled Christians whose literal fundamentalism means that adherence to dogma is more important than (as I understand them) basic Christian principles. If someone can, for example, out-of-hand condemn a rape victim who has an abortion as a soulless murderer, rather than exercise a little compassion, I'm not so sure how "Christian" that is.

More broadly speaking I have an issue with the evangelical viewpoint of "if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you will burn in Hell for all eternity." Under this view, morality itself has little to no meaning -- if I am a rational, conscientious person who has trouble accepting the idea that Jesus is the literal Son of God, but yet I hear this "believe or burn" argument enough.... well, honestly, it is *dangerous*.

Consider -- if I try to reach some religious revelation but just cannot bring myself to believe that Jesus is anything more than some historical figure who went around speaking in parables and saying wouldn't it be nice if we could all treat each other decently, but, I begin to seriously worry that my lack of faith will doom me.... Where does this leave me?

Tremendously liberated.

After all, I am going to Hell *anyway*. A life of virtue will hardly benefit me in any way, and it probably will just get me mocked by little red guys with pitchforks all the harder because of the sweet, sweet irony of a decent person going to Hell because I failed the Belief Test. Sure, there are the warm fuzzies you can get by doing good by others, but let's face it -- for short term temporal gain, Evil is more rewarding than Good. Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a goat -- if I'm going to get brutally punished forever, I might as well get punished for some really *good* sins.

This is what happens when you decouple perceived moral consequences and prescribed moral codes. If good people who don't Believe go to Hell, and bad people who do Believe go to Heaven, then why be good? I have met too many self-styled Christians who act as if being "Saved" is their immutable ticket into heaven, as though practicing simple basic ideas like compassion and tolerance are utterly extraneous and any careless lapse of judgment or blind disregard for the welfare of others can be ignored they either conform to dogma, or as long as you say you're really, really sorry when you're called on it.

If that's God, color me an atheist.

In Soviet Church, God rejects YOU! :D

In Soviet Russia, you reject Soviet Church's God.

I don't.

In Soviet Church, God rejects YOU! :D

It takes faith to belive in anything. You put faith in that there is no God. so Your own post is to you to.

How is that uh? I will answer with a qeastion my self.
Do you know everything there is to know about everything is this universe?
Hell No you must answer. all of humankinds know information would not even add up to 1% of everything. So how is it for you to say we are beliving a myth? when you don't know 100% of everything to be knowing your right. only Thing can be right is some thign that knows EVERYTHING. That thing would have to be called God.

I'm sure you're a nice, well-meaning person in real life. But you're in WAY over your head here.
You need to pay your dues before entering into debate with these people: learn your subject matter, study the arguments that came before (yours have been stated thousands of times already) and work on improving your communication skills.
Right now your just a peice of live meat being played with by the cats before they get bored and bite off your head. (been there, done that) :)

No, I reject God because people use religion to absolve themselves of actions that would be considered sins if secularism was a technical religion. Like abducting children and forcing them into an army: see Uganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda) or more specifically the Lord's Resistance Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army). Come on. No one can look at that objectively and realize it's inmoral, regardless of religion or lack thereof.

Thats no reason to reject god (or God whatever your preferance, and yes there is a big differance.) That is a reason to reject religion. There is still an idea of god, or in my opinion god (not an idea, a noun.) I think the problem comes from religion taking god and making the idea of god to be God, where people refer to the god that they can not understand to be a invisable father figure. They can't concieve of a god that is as the Christians say the Holy Spirit without also thinking of god as a man figure. Many religions say god/God is in everyone but they all seem to in the end make that presence a third party that watches over them, and rarely mention the god that exists (in my opinion) in all of us whatever it may be. My guess is those same people have trouble with theoretical physics as well. they just can't get their mind around things that they are unfamiliar with, and then over the generations these people have perverted perfectly good beliefs into humanity damaging religions.

There is an area of your brain in the cerebral cortex that is only there to create the belief in humans in a higher power. If you stimulate it with a magnetic field or electricity, you will have the most spiritual experiance you can imagine, whether you believe in God or not. You can come up with reasons why this region of the brain developed through evolution, but you can also then believe that evolution was guided by their being god.

If this didn't make sense to you pay attention to the capitalization.

If you truthly put yourself and accept a god should not he reveal himself to you? I only found this in one religion:Chirstian, When i was saved it was not i just said a magicial prayer. I felt the holy spirt inner into me,So i don't have to belive in anything esle i found the truth and i am not secpial about it.

Any truth Chirstian can testy of his spirt enter into them. It is amazing when it happens. If you want prof only prof i cna give you is that when you truthly put you faith in Jesus and what he did and accept it you know he is real.

That's funny, when I go to meditate in nature, and ask my own questions and I find my own answers in meditation and nature, I get the same feeling, and this was without the Holy Bible. Hmmm....is God dicking us around?

The old gods are so much cooler, arent they? And they make a lot more sense, thats for sure.

Seriously, I'd probably take Christianity more seriously if you people stopped trying to force me to

Oh I know, I actually enjoy reading the Poetic Eddas and the Prose Eddas. Odin and Thor rocks. :D

The problem with chirstiany today is the chirstians think all they have to do is accepted him. They do not go any farther. So you see a lot of people calling themselfs chirstians but are just as bad as sinners. This causes conflict and people start looking down on what they see.

fyi, i am not saying your dad was not a good chirstian. some times people do what they want to do and not allways what God wants to do. I have this problem to it is hard to do what God wants you to do. But i have to I love you and everyone esle not to follow him and i own it to him.

God wants us to love everyone but as i saaid before most chirstians are just saved by grace never go farther. Alot of what you think are what is makes a chirstian is not what makes one. Just what you seen from some "so-called Chirstians" which is what most are(over 80% are just Chirstians saved by grace) true chirstianity is a very close relationship. But all you do is have to accept him but there is so much more.

You also don't lose you ability to have choose. Most Chirstians don't go farther than accepting them they choose this God does not want this. Just like your father didn't care if you followed God or not, that was his chose not God's. God wants you to follow him and that is why your here and i am here. Because HE wants you to follow him.


Why it is important to me? Why should it not. If you really belive you found the truth and you could really save people and just be with the loving God why wouldn't i care? God is just such a loving God, Even if there was not heaven or Hell and God was was still God. I would still choose him because the joy and love he gives in now day life is worth it.

If you look at the world and really look at it from a outsider point of view. You see that humans naturaly do evil. Think about it, all the things people do. almost non of the thinngs they do is truthly for other people. There is some reason there doing it, something that they might benift. This world needs a savior. And Thank God HE sent Jesus. Now we all have a chance to have life more abundently.

My dad was a fine Christian. He took Jesus at his word when he said "love your neighbor as yourself", a sentiment I can get behind, by the way.

I do not agree with you, however, that this world needs a savior. I think a good number of the problems this world has involve people claiming "my god/saviour is better than yours". I know that some humans do evil, and some do good, many regardless of their religious proclivities. I also know that religion certainly does not prevent evil. I like how Nobel prize winning physicist Steven Weinberg puts it, “With or without [religion] you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.”

As far as god wanting anything from me, I find the idea preposterous. Why would an omnipotent being (if there were such a thing) care two figs for anything I do one way or the other? It is entirely illogical to assume that burning bulls on an alter (which USED to be how your god wanted you to proceed) or singing hymns on Sunday morning, or any of that is of any use/interest to an infinite power.



And by the way, I realize that English is probably not your first language, but you seriously need to work on your spelling. It is Christian, not Chirstian.

And yes, yes you are trying to force us. Okay, maybe not you, but evangelicals in general. how else do you explain attempting to make children say Christian prayers in school? Trying to make laws based on religious faith? Attempting to deny civil rights to people based on religious exclusion?

There are people (Father Andrew Greeley and Bishop Spong, to name two) who actually understand the message that Jesus taught, that the mission of the church (whatever church it may be) is to proclaim God's endless love for all humanity. They're in the minority as far as public figures among Christians.

I love Spong... he so often has such good stuff to say. And he says it in ways that make perfect sense for the non-religious too!

I love Spong... he so often has such good stuff to say. And he says it in ways that make perfect sense for the non-religious too!

I have no idea who that is, but I like him already because of that name. :p

'Cause God epic phailed at dinner and a movie...

Personally, I believe in God/a god/gawd/creator/entity of origin.

I'm looking at the Hubble Ultra Deep Field and it is rather fascinating. So, regardless of how everything came about in this universe, it is still fascinating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Hubble_ultra_deep_field.jpg

It is pictures like that which convince me that there is no way at all that the Christian God could possibly exist, or be in the slightest bit important to anyone if he somehow does.

The universe is so vast we cannot comprehend its scope. Pictures like that, with so many galaxies we can't count them, begin to give me an inkling of what eternity might possibly be like. The scale of this picture makes me realize that if I were a single electron in a single cell in a human body, I would have a billion times more significance there than I do as a human in the universe.

And if, somehow, one entity created all of that, it makes as much sense for him to be aware of what I do as it does for me to monitor all the electrons in all the cells in my body. So no, no Christian God. And as far as I am concerned, no other gods either, and no need for them. The universe is an amazing place all on its own without me having to create fictional characters to manipulate it. I will take what I CAN know about it over what someone wants me to worship that I CAN'T know about any day.

Look around you, how complex the world is. This could not have just happened something had to make it I do not have to say it is my God But SOME THING HAD TO MAKE IT.

Complexity is in the eye of the beholder. You know the travelling salesman problem? It's quite complex, mathematically speaking, but humanity does it all the time without thinking about it.

On the other hand, something as simple as gravity had been misunderstood for generations because people only thought and never put anything to the test. Silly ancient greek philosophers never did bother to actually try to drop two rocks with different weight and see what would happen.

So no, it is not a given that something had to make the university, because it is not a given that it is complex, nor is actually even necessary to have external forces to make an internal change.

(I apologize for not 'quoting.')

Originally Posted by Lairen

"Thing is Were not trying to "force" you. We are trying to tell the word. But yall resist and some Chirstians don't no how to respond to that. They never went farther into there relationship with God and are just saved. So when you talk to them and they don't know what there doing or saying they end up hurting and not helping. This is my chirstianity will fall. But it suppose to end up like that sometime.

I also understand the fact about how the old church how they have to do hell fire peaching. It does not work. IT makes weak chirstians and also makes people think God is all about Jugment but it is not all about that it is about his love for us alll."

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First off, sure, you're not trying to "force" people to believe. You're trying to "convert" them. Totally different. Christianity will fall, you say? Good.

Wait, wait, wait. You say that the "hell fire peaching" doesn't work? Well, ignoring the spelling error, wasn't that what you were trying to do earlier, saying that "hmmm what if your wrong and there is a God? and you died? There is something to lose in this route." That sounds like (a mild version of) "hell fire" preaching.

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"How is that uh? I will answer with a qeastion my self.
Do you know everything there is to know about everything is this universe?
Hell No you must answer. all of humankinds know information would not even add up to 1% of everything. So how is it for you to say we are beliving a myth? when you don't know 100% of everything to be knowing your right. only Thing can be right is some thign that knows EVERYTHING. That thing would have to be called God."

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God knows everything? Ha! Don't make me laugh. Well, answer this, then? If God was omnipotent, then why'd he get so angry and cause that flood? You know, the one that lasted forty days and forty nights? If he was <i>really</i> omnipotent, then he would have known that the world would be full of sin and such before he even created the first human. So, no, God does not know "EVERYTHING."

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"If you look at the world and really look at it from a outsider point of view. You see that humans naturaly do evil. Think about it, all the things people do."

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How many people have been killed in the name of God?

And no, humans do not "naturaly do evil." I'm sorry, but no. Humans are inherently neutral, with tendencies neither toward "good" or "evil." Genetics has a small part to play in people's personalities, but mostly people are shaped by their surroundings, and come out with a blank slate. Humans are not naturally "evil," and it is asinine that you would even suggest something like that.

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And I'm not even going to bother even mentioning about spell-checkers/grammar-checkers. I think that dead horse has pretty much been beaten already.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

Why do you assume I reject God?

I have no idea who that is, but I like him already because of that name. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong

Read up on him, he is a pretty radical guy with some very good ideas.

In soviet Russia, God reject you! (I'm sorry if someone beat me to it)

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

I didn't reject him.. in fact, when he asked me out, I even made the reservations and offered to pick him up. He said he'd make his own way there and meet me at 7:00, but at TEN FRIGGING THIRTY I was still sitting there alone, with a cold plate of food, waiting for him to show. So I left, and he never called or anything. I was even worried about him for a little while, until I heard about him running around town with some tarty guitar player.

Faith is nothing but believing without adequate proof. Since when has it been a good idea to blindly believe a myth? This sort of behavior is the sort of thing that is only shared by cowards, and fools, and those who have been brainwashed since the time they were young. Please, for the sake of future generations, stop spreading this lie. Reject the myth of God. Let us stand on our own two feet and discover our own truth.

Before you can meaningfully ask "Why do you reject God?" you really have to explain what you mean by "God."

The nature of God (or, perhaps more precisely, the necessarily imperfect human attempts to understand the nature of God due to His infinite/etc nature) has been a major philosophical argument for, oh, let's see, millenia. I'm not sure how many people even pretend to have some clear understanding of what they mean when they say "God."

I can tell you one vague idea of God that I reject -- the "we're better than you club" version of God, the self-styled Christians whose literal fundamentalism means that adherence to dogma is more important than (as I understand them) basic Christian principles. If someone can, for example, out-of-hand condemn a rape victim who has an abortion as a soulless murderer, rather than exercise a little compassion, I'm not so sure how "Christian" that is.

More broadly speaking I have an issue with the evangelical viewpoint of "if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you will burn in Hell for all eternity." Under this view, morality itself has little to no meaning -- if I am a rational, conscientious person who has trouble accepting the idea that Jesus is the literal Son of God, but yet I hear this "believe or burn" argument enough.... well, honestly, it is *dangerous*.

Consider -- if I try to reach some religious revelation but just cannot bring myself to believe that Jesus is anything more than some historical figure who went around speaking in parables and saying wouldn't it be nice if we could all treat each other decently, but, I begin to seriously worry that my lack of faith will doom me.... Where does this leave me?

Tremendously liberated.

After all, I am going to Hell *anyway*. A life of virtue will hardly benefit me in any way, and it probably will just get me mocked by little red guys with pitchforks all the harder because of the sweet, sweet irony of a decent person going to Hell because I failed the Belief Test. Sure, there are the warm fuzzies you can get by doing good by others, but let's face it -- for short term temporal gain, Evil is more rewarding than Good. Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a goat -- if I'm going to get brutally punished forever, I might as well get punished for some really *good* sins.

This is what happens when you decouple perceived moral consequences and prescribed moral codes. If good people who don't Believe go to Hell, and bad people who do Believe go to Heaven, then why be good? I have met too many self-styled Christians who act as if being "Saved" is their immutable ticket into heaven, as though practicing simple basic ideas like compassion and tolerance are utterly extraneous and any careless lapse of judgment or blind disregard for the welfare of others can be ignored they either conform to dogma, or as long as you say you're really, really sorry when you're called on it.

If that's God, color me an atheist.


This is the problem. But why let youself fall into it. Don't let though childish chirstians destory your well-being. Be an exmple for them, you see things alot like i do. And me being a Chirstian it hurts to see this. I myself have almost cryed many times because of the emotional strain from what i see and that i understand what i see. I don't like using hell to get people saved. His love is more important being saved form hell is just gain.

This is the problem. But why let youself fall into it. Don't let though childish chirstians destory your well-being. Be an exmple for them, you see things alot like i do. And me being a Chirstian it hurts to see this. I myself have almost cryed many times because of the emotional strain from what i see and that i understand what i see. I don't like using hell to get people saved. His love is more important being saved form hell is just gain.

Well... hence the beginning of my post... "what do you mean by 'God'?"

I spoke to what seems to be the most loudly trumpeted version, at least in my experience here in the US. I would certainly like to think the grim evangelical vision is not the most common conception of God... but outside of that idea, what am I being asked to accept?

I have to say I certainly sympathize with Mirkai's sentiments:
I didn't reject him.. in fact, when he asked me out, I even made the reservations and offered to pick him up. He said he'd make his own way there and meet me at 7:00, but at TEN FRIGGING THIRTY I was still sitting there alone, with a cold plate of food, waiting for him to show. So I left, and he never called or anything.

I was raised in a religious, though hardly fundamentalist, background, and I looked for something that people called "God," and I have to say I just haven't found anything quite like that. It's not a matter of me looking at something sitting out there and rejecting it. It's a matter of not having any reason to believe anything is out there, other than an all-too-human yearning to find something.

Is it because you sin so much you want to absolve yourself of all the responsibility? Well?

At first, it was because it was too unreal to believe. But now I have another reason. You.

If God, under any form or interpretation, is worthy of worship, He/She/It/Them doesn't demand it.

If God demands worship, He/She/It/Them isn't worthy of it.

And if He/She/It/Them punishes for acts which do not harm others (and offending you because "gays are icky" does NOT count), you guessed it, not worthy of worship again.

Any god is supposed to be GOOD, not hateful and evil. And a god that punishes Ghandi for not worshiping Him is EVIL. Something that either does not exist or should be fought against.

If God, under any form or interpretation, is worthy of worship, He/She/It/Them doesn't demand it.

If God demands worship, He/She/It/Them isn't worthy of it.Well, the biblical god craves and begs to be worshiped.

Well, the biblical god craves and begs to be worshiped.

Which means He probably was misinterpreted. Or doesn't exist.

Which means He probably was misinterpreted.How do you mean that?

How do you mean that?

Mis-represented.

Mis-represented.Mis-representing what and how? How is the biblical god mis-represented when he wants to be worshiped?

Mis-representing what and how? How is the biblical god mis-represented when he wants to be worshiped?

For one, the Old Testament; the Torah was oral for a great portion of history. The first part, Jahwist was only compiled as a written document in 850 BCE and added to the Torah, which makes up the OT around 400 BCE. Yet the faith and its tales are over 6000 years old. When you have oral tradition, something gets lost as the stories are retold... so the misrepresentation comes from the fact that the fractured books of the Torah; the OT are based on an oral tradition, where something may have been lost a long time ago.

For one, the Old Testament; the Torah was oral for a great portion of history. The first part, Jahwist was only compiled as a written document in 850 BCE and added to the Torah, which makes up the OT around 400 BCE. Yet the faith and its tales are over 6000 years old. When you have oral tradition, something gets lost as the stories are retold... so the misrepresentation comes from the fact that the fractured books of the Torah; the OT are based on an oral tradition, where something may have been lost a long time ago.I give no credit to the story of any mysterious "oral tradition". And the faith you refer to is definitely not 6000 years old.

"any key"? is that for rejectin' doG?

More like different methods of employment/ecstasy of doG.

The what now?You know, where someone buys/procures a novel or book that everyone considers to be of high intellectual content/value, even though no one really takes the time to actually read it, it's kept in social prominence as a reference or topic of conversation ... like on the coffee table. :p
oO Have I been accidentally intelligent, or accidentally stupid? :p
I would say, if someone else here hasn't already, that you probably don't want to critique your intelligence based on discourse with posters like myself. :D
Don't worry about it

Maybe he gave your face to you for this complaint? In advance, you know.

Good for you. I've run down that alley m'self. *bows*

I dunno, seems kinda weird to bring it up.

I'll do it. 'sides, i'm not graced with much tact anyway, as anyone here could easily attest.

or maybe he believed all those rumors about me being a slut and having herpes.
Hey, you can thank your agent for that ad saturation.

If God, under any form or interpretation, is worthy of worship, He/She/It/Them doesn't demand it.

If God demands worship, He/She/It/Them isn't worthy of it.
Catch-22 strikes again. *nods*

And if He/She/It/Them punishes for acts which do not harm others (and offending you because "gays are icky" does NOT count), you guessed it, not worthy of worship again.

Any god is supposed to be GOOD, not hateful and evil. And a god that punishes Ghandi for not worshiping Him is EVIL. Something that either does not exist or should be fought against.
I've never in my life understood why some people think they can get other people to worship their god by portraying him/her/it/they as, essentially, spiritual extortionist(s)

Wow.
Just because you don't believe in their existence does not change the fact that they're there.


Just because you're paranoid DOESN'T mean they're not really after you.

lol? He (should i uses this word)loves us all with all. That he sent his only born son to let us came back to him.
hmmmm

I'm gonna say this out of mercy, a word you should be acquainted with:
Don't go down this route here.
Unless you're a masochist, and if, enjoy!

What, like on a waffle or in the mold formations on a shower curtain? That happens every couple years, just do a Google search for "Jesus French toast" or "Jesus potato chip."

How about a Jesus sexual appendage?
I gots links, but i'm working on my "tact".

If such a beast exists, I consider it the duty of humanity to destroy it utterly.
Fuck yeah. *bows*

Missed ya too, Sim.
:)

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE IF YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE?

Dignity, self-respect, reason, sensibility ... oh yeah, my "soul".

Honestly though, you should consider that there's a few people here who've already given "him" a chance. More than one. Our sympathies simply aren't so easily bought.

Hmmm...I think I'll start my day sacrificing prisoners of war to tzenxxxrrzzzthloth the sun god with eight heads, as I cut their throats I'll be facing mecca and praising Allah. Then I'll head to the church and confess to murder to a catholic priest while I try to clear my head and think of nothing and put on my magic mormon underwear. Then I'll...uhm...This crap is a full time job. I think I'll rather go without all that drivel and continue not believing.

Totally sigworthy.

Good for you. I've run down that alley m'self. *bows*There is nothing above good circular temporal reasoning. :p

I grew out of the imaginary friends phase. :)