NationStates Jolt Archive


Ahh so that's how they're getting it....

Wilgrove
12-10-2007, 17:17
Like I've been saying since Columbine, it's not the video games, it's not the movies, it's not Marylin Manson, it's all about the parents. The reason these kids can get their hands on guns, and then go shoot their classmates is that they have crappy parents! Problems in the home most of the times (not all) equals to problem everywhere else.

Prosecutor: Mom bought assault rifle for boy

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The mother of a 14-year-old boy accused of planning a "Columbine-type" event at a high school was arrested Friday morning, prosecutors said.

Michele Cossey, 46, of Plymouth Meeting was charged with six criminal counts in connection with buying her son firearms and bomb-making equipment, including a .22-caliber handgun, a .22-caliber rifle and a 9mm semiautomatic rifle.

The charges are unlawful transfer of a fiream, possession of a firearm by a minor, corruption of a minor, endangering the welfare of a child and two counts of reckless endangerment.

A search of the boy's home Wednesday outside Philadelphia turned up the rifle, about 30 air-powered guns, swords, knives, a bomb-making book and videos of the 1999 Columbine High School attack.

Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor Jr. said the weapons were plainly visible in the boy's bedroom.

During a hearing Friday in juvenile court, a judge ruled authorities could continue to hold the teen during their investigation.

The judge also ordered psychiatric and educational achievement evaluations for the youth, who was taken into custody Wednesday night.

The teen was charged as a juvenile with solicitation to commit terror and other counts and was being held at a youth facility.

As Cossey sat sobbing in the courtroom before the hearing, Castor walked over to her and informed her that he had a warrant for her arrest. He told her to go after the hearing to his office on a lower floor of the courthouse, where the warrant was served.

Cossey is not alleged to have helped plot any attack, Castor said Thursday night.

"I don't see any evidence that leads me to conclude that she knew that this attack was planned or anything of that nature," Castor told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."

But he said he thinks charges against her are justified.

"I think you have a parent who has fallen down on the job in supervising the child, perhaps indulgent on the child because she knows he has issues," he said before her arrest.

Police also found seven hand grenades, four of them operational, said Joe Lawrence, deputy chief of the Plymouth Township police. The teenager said the two .22-caliber weapons were stored at a friend's house.

If the teen is found delinquent, he could face long-term detention and counseling. The boy's father also could face criminal charges pending an investigation, police said.

In addition to the weapons, authorities found a hand-painted Nazi flag and videos about the Columbine shootings, Castor said.

"It is my judgment that this individual considered that something to be glorified and was doing so," he said.

Two students opened fire at Columbine in Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999. They killed 13 people and wounded 23 others before killing themselves.

School officials said police acted on a tip from a Plymouth Whitemarsh High School student and his father. They said they believe the tip was prompted by Wednesday's shooting at a school in Cleveland, Ohio, in which a 14-year-old killed himself after wounding two teachers and two other students.

In the Pennsylvania case, police say they received the tip at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday and took the youth into custody at his home around 10. He was "nonchalant" when arrested, Lawrence said.

The grenades were made with plastic casings that authorities believe the boy bought on the Internet, Lawrence said. The operational hand grenades included black powder, BBs and a fuse believed used in fireworks. The boy was making the grenades in his bedroom, Lawrence said.

Police also found 30 weapons that fire BBs and the 9 mm semiautomatic rifle with a magazine that could hold 30 rounds of ammunition.

Castor said officials do not think others were involved.

"We have no information at this point that leads us to think this is other than an isolated individual who was trying to recruit others to help," he said.

"The boy who gave the tip was one who was trying to be recruited," he added. "He was a friend of the boy in the loosest terms."

Plymouth Whitemarsh High officials said the boy is not a student at the school.

"This was a youth in the community who has not been enrolled in school since spring of 2006," said Dave Sherman, spokesman for the school.

The public high school in Plymouth Meeting has 1,591 students in grades nine through 12. Classes were canceled because of the incident, school officials said Thursday.

Plymouth Township is about 15 miles northwest of Philadelphia.
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/12/student.arsenal/index.html)
Troglobites
12-10-2007, 17:23
Sometimes it might just be the kid. But parents are far more likely to enforce or enable than TEH EBEEL MEDIA.

"He ma'am your kid's mutilating small animals."
EchoVect
12-10-2007, 17:25
Like I've been saying since Columbine, it's not the video games, it's not the movies, it's not Marylin Manson, it's all about the parents. The reason these kids can get their hands on guns, and then go shoot their classmates is that they have crappy parents!

Here here!, Amen, True That and all that rot........

Now if you can just convince the pop-psych nitwits who insist that there's no such thing as personal responsibility................
Khadgar
12-10-2007, 17:27
You mean shitty parenting leads to school shootings? Go figure.

And hey Mom bought the weapons legally, except the grenades, which I'm fair certain are illegal regardless.

I saw it on the Man hating bitch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace) last night. The kid has a kama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29) in his collection, her and the "expert" thought it was a knife.

Idiots.
Khadgar
12-10-2007, 17:31
Here here!, Amen, True That and all that rot........

Now if you can just convince the pop-psych nitwits who insist that there's no such thing as personal responsibility................

Gods what does that say about Shrubya's parents raising such a coke addled boozer?
The_pantless_hero
12-10-2007, 17:34
Cpt Obvious to the rescue!

I figured this out when the mother of one of the Columbine kids looked like a crackwhore.
Neo Art
12-10-2007, 17:41
To say, or even presume, that violence has any one factor is absurd.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
12-10-2007, 18:12
Those kids are lucky, all I ever got for Christmas was a knife and some duct tape.
Khadgar
12-10-2007, 18:16
Those kids are lucky, all I ever got for Christmas was a knife and some duct tape.

My parents never let me play with weapons, ever since my cousin shot his brother three times in the eye.
Kryozerkia
12-10-2007, 18:30
My parents never let me play with weapons, ever since my cousin shot his brother three times in the eye.

But they would have let you if it had only been twice, right? ;) Third time's the charm! :p
Khadgar
12-10-2007, 18:43
But they would have let you if it had only been twice, right? ;) Third time's the charm! :p

It was just a BB gun! Damned cousins ruin everything. All the other kids got to go hunting, I wasn't even allowed to have a knife!
Kryozerkia
12-10-2007, 18:51
It was just a BB gun! Damned cousins ruin everything. All the other kids got to go hunting, I wasn't even allowed to have a knife!

"...you'll shoot your eye out! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Story#Plot_summary)" ;)
The Brevious
13-10-2007, 09:37
Those kids are lucky, all I ever got for Christmas was a knife and some duct tape.

You don't carry the grudge gracelessly. They merely wanted you to be a survivor.
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Of sorts. Or maybe inflictor. Perhaps it would've been clearer had they also given you some rope, extra small bills, sunglasses and chloroform.
Domici
13-10-2007, 14:33
Gods what does that say about Shrubya's parents raising such a coke addled boozer?

Not as much as what going golfing the day after their daughter died says about them.
The Sentient Coalition
14-10-2007, 03:25
I've seen pictures of the 'arsenal' that this kid had, looks rather fishy if the worst things they're talking about are a .22 rifle and pistol, and a '9mm rifle'. Dosen't make much sense since they were showing pics of shotguns, AK's, bolt actions...

Jesus, 14 year olds can't just walk into stores and buy this stuff. Even if it was no questions asked you don't just have the kind of money needed to buy that stuff. Parents might not have been knowingly supporting a shooting, but at some point you have to ask, 'gee what does johnnie need with 14 shotguns?'
The Brevious
14-10-2007, 03:30
Not as much as what going golfing the day after their daughter died says about them.

Yeah, but *what* a swing!
Layarteb
14-10-2007, 04:46
Yes but if we blamed the parents it would mean they would actually have to accept responsibility and why should that happen when scapegoats are abundant. Come on people think with your ass not your head!
Katganistan
14-10-2007, 05:21
I think the parents, as well as the teen, should all have to undergo psych exams.

The parents should then have to go to parenting class and learn the magic word, "No."

The kid should get counseling for the persecution he perceives.
Wilgrove
14-10-2007, 05:39
I think the parents, as well as the teen, should all have to undergo psych exams.

The parents should then have to go to parenting class and learn the magic word, "No."

The kid should get counseling for the persecution he perceives.

and I should get all of his cool guns! :D