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Good for New Zealand. I can't see any countries going along with it, but still, good show.


Oh snap, what's the penalty for thread theft?

New Zealand has joined an international push at the United Nations to seek abolition of the death penalty worldwide, Prime Minister Helen Clark said Wednesday.

The resolution at the U.N. — co-sponsored by countries including Brazil, East Timor, Gabon, Mexico, the Philippines and Portugal — will ask countries to impose a moratorium on executions as a first step toward abolition of the death penalty, she said.

Some 90 nations have abolished the death penalty for all crimes, 131 have done so in law or in practice and 66 retain it.

"Capital punishment is the ultimate form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment," Clark said in a statement marking World Day Against the Death Penalty. "The death penalty violates the right to life ... it is known to have been inflicted on the innocent," she added.


(link (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/10/asia/AS-GEN-New-Zealand-Death-Penalty.php))

The chances of this getting anywhere are virtually nil, but congratulations to those countries for raising the issue and trying.

yeah... sadly that'll sink like a turd in many places. not least the US...

It's from the UN, the US may as well not hear about it.

yeah... sadly that'll sink like a turd in many places. not least the US...

at the very least it will make an interesting U.N meeting

though I do have to say good on Brazil there turning into some sort of goodies

edit: do I see a connection? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7037038.stm)

I wish our idiot leaders would back it.

at the very least it will make an interesting U.N meeting

though I do have to say good on Brazil there turning into some sort of goodies

edit: do I see a connection? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7037038.stm)

Argh, damned Poland! Can't we just let the Germans invade again? It'd be for the best.

not even Germany wants eastern Europe anymore :p

How about the Russians? Relive the good old Iron Curtain days?

edit: do I see a connection? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7037038.stm)

Apparently, yes.

Poland's government is seriously starting to piss me off with its "we're ultra-conservative and we can veto the rest of the EU, haha!" approach.

Argh, damned Poland! Can't we just let the Germans invade again? It'd be for the best.

not even Germany wants eastern Europe anymore :p

Good deal NZ. The sooner the death penalty is gone, the better.

I wish our idiot leaders would back it.

Many of them do. They just don't have a majority... Yet. ;)

Many of them do. They just don't have a majority... Yet. ;)

Yup, and when it finally does happen, that'll be a great day, indeed, even with the bitching the general populace is sure to give. This is one of those things where it's not a majority rule matter, though.

Yup, and when it finally does happen, that'll be a great day, indeed, even with the bitching the general populace is sure to give. This is one of those things where it's not a majority rule matter, though.

Nah, it's easy to spin it for the bogan crowd.

"Imagine is Schapelle had have got the death sentence!"

The crowd would break out in applause and some "dey took our jorbs!" chants.

ahh...no-one's gonna listen to NZ now, ever since they got booted from the RWC. again.

The chances of this getting anywhere are virtually nil, but congratulations to those countries for raising the issue and trying.

No, I think there are good chances, it only takes a plain majority in the UN General Assembly.

The resolution at the U.N. — co-sponsored by countries including Brazil, East Timor, Gabon, Mexico, the Philippines and Portugal — will ask countries to impose a moratorium on executions as a first step toward abolition of the death penalty, she said.

Iirc, the moratorium is an italian proposal (Prodi cabinet), supported by the EU (EU banned death penalty), with Portugal and Germany (current and previous country presiding the EU) as strong co-supporters.

It'll get a majority in the General Assembly. It won't go down well with the US in the UNSC. It'll be vetoed.

(link (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/10/asia/AS-GEN-New-Zealand-Death-Penalty.php))

The chances of this getting anywhere are virtually nil, but congratulations to those countries for raising the issue and trying.

Hm. Well, good for them.:)








(Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, they can go to hell.)

Argh, damned Poland! Can't we just let the Germans invade again? It'd be for the best.

Poland are new to this EU game.They will soon learn that when the other countries start doing the same with the devopment money earmarked for them that they will have to pull their heads in.

We really have to retain the death penalty for some things.

It'll get a majority in the General Assembly. It won't go down well with the US in the UNSC. It'll be vetoed.

Heh. China would be much more annoyed.

I wish our idiot leaders would back it.

Sure. AFTER the Bali Bombers are killed.

(link (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/10/asia/AS-GEN-New-Zealand-Death-Penalty.php))

The chances of this getting anywhere are virtually nil, but congratulations to those countries for raising the issue and trying.

They aren't going to get anywhere. And thank God they won't.

Argh, damned Poland! Can't we just let the Germans invade again? It'd be for the best.

You know, Wartheland, Danzig, Ostpreussen, Pomerania, and Stettin are rightful German territories? There's your casus belli. :rolleyes:

Oh while you're at it get Elsass and Lothringen back...

Nah, it's easy to spin it for the bogan crowd.

"Imagine is Schapelle had have got the death sentence!"

The crowd would break out in applause and some "dey took our jorbs!" chants.

What does this have to do with the NZ? :confused:

Schapelle is an Aussie, not a Kiwi.

We really have to retain the death penalty for some things.

Eh... no. We abolished it 26 years ago over here.

It'll get a majority in the General Assembly. It won't go down well with the US in the UNSC. It'll be vetoed.

there's no way in hell it will be abolished in the US. The UN can go shove its resolutions up its ass.

We really have to retain the death penalty for some things.

Really? HAVE? there seems to be no data that supports a NEED for the death penalty

there's no way in hell it will be abolished in the US. The UN can go shove its resolutions up its ass.

Effectively yes as they have 0 power for enforcement.

What I find ironic is that many of the people who bitch at the UN not having any bite are those that would be dead set against them stepping in when we are in the wrong, like now.

Effectively yes as they have 0 power for enforcement.

What I find ironic is that many of the people who bitch at the UN not having any bite are those that would be dead set against them stepping in when we are in the wrong, like now.

Well I'm glad the UN is a powerless joke. And I don't believe the death penalty is wrong under certain circumstances.

What I find ironic is that many of the people who bitch at the UN not having any bite are those that would be dead against them stepping in when we are in the wrong, like now.

Well, when have anti-UN ranters ever been consistant or logical?

Eh... no. We abolished it 26 years ago over here.

Yeah, but the French penal system is a joke.

Yeah, but the French penal system is a joke.

Oh? How so? Do entertain us with your insights.

Oh snap, what's the penalty for thread theft?
Death!

The death penalty is always a conflict for me. I dread the thought of an innocent man dying.

Then I think of a recent event were an animal used his car to knock down a 12 year, grab her, punched her in the head several times and then tried to rape her.

We really have to retain the death penalty for some things.

Really? Why?

I would be against reinstating the death penalty in Britain if it was proposed, but I'm not really bothered if other countries do it.

Nowbody cares what Australia Jr. thinks.

Now I do hate the idea of the government deciding who lives and who dies but here's something for all the anti-DP folks to mull over: how is a cop using deadly force any different from the death penalty? One requires evidence confirming guilt, provides sufficient time for appeal, and is supposed to be reserved for only for the worst offenders and those that still pose a threat to society while the other is often an unwarranted and excessive act perpetrated by aggressive hotheads charged with protecting and serving the community but who often cause more disruptions than they deal with.

Can wombats do anything but whine? So far that's the only sound I've heard them make.

Nowbody cares what Australia Jr. thinks.

Now I do hate the idea of the government deciding who lives and who dies but here's something for all the anti-DP folks to mull over: how is a cop using deadly force any different from the death penalty? One requires evidence confirming guilt, provides sufficient time for appeal, and is supposed to be reserved for only for the worst offenders and those that still pose a threat to society while the other is often an unwarranted and excessive act perpetrated by aggressive hotheads charged with protecting and serving the community but who often cause more disruptions than they deal with.

Can wombats do anything but whine? So far that's the only sound I've heard them make.

A cop is generally only supposed to use deadly force in self-defense. And arrested criminals are not still a threat to society...with the whole being arrested thing.

how is a cop using deadly force any different from the death penalty?

Simple.

A policeman (or, generally, one man) kills another man to prevent him from killing other people, or in self-defence: this is a justified killing.

One kills another man who wasn't threatening his or someone else's life (maybe, because he was already in a safe jail, or had no weapons etc): this is murder.

The State should not murder, because the State has laws against murder.

Good for New Zealand


Bad for New Zealand.

The death penalty is not barbaric; rather, its absence is.

Simple.

A policeman (or, generally, one man) kills another man to prevent him from killing other people, or in self-defence: this is a justified killing.

One kills another man who wasn't threatening his or someone else's life (maybe, because he was already in a safe jail, or had no weapons etc): this is murder.

The State should not murder, because the State has laws against murder.

It's not murder if the thing being killed has renounced its right to life--which is the case with murderers, rapists, kidnappers, thieves, burglars, trespassers, and vandals.

Death!
*flees to New Zealand*
Nowbody cares what Australia Jr. thinks.
:rolleyes:

[snip]
Other people got this already
Can wombats do anything but whine? So far that's the only sound I've heard them make.
:rolleyes: Way to add to the discussion.
The State should not murder, because the State has laws against murder.
*nitpicks*
Murder is illegal killing. if the death penalty is legal, it cannot be murder.
It's not murder if the thing being killed has renounced its right to life--which is the case with murderers, rapists, kidnappers, thieves, burglars, trespassers, and vandals.
The exact same list you rolled out last time there was a death penalty thread. Do you have a big list of things you post and just copy and paste, with a little editing so it fits in the thread?

The death penalty is not barbaric; rather, its absence is.

Utterly absurd.

We can all toss out meaningless snippets like that. A melon is not a fruit; rather, a potato is!

Meh, one world legal system would be bound to fail. Some countries can abolish the death penalty, but they shouldn't interfere in other countries legal systems.

Each legal system must be a representation of the culture and will be different in different regions, punishments will be different, crimes will be different. The death-penalty is a country-by-country issue, not a world one.

at the very least it will make an interesting U.N meeting

though I do have to say good on Brazil there turning into some sort of goodies

edit: do I see a connection? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7037038.stm)

Ah, Poland. The Kansas, Alabama and Georgia of Europe.

A melon is not a fruit; rather, a potato is!

Them's fightin' words.