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Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

Don't know if it changes anything but they found rotting fruit with maggots with the deceased animals.

Sounds more like a Caribbean barbecue gone wrong.

Probably someone not affiliated with Santeria (which I think I've never heard about) or Wicca - Probably somebody who read the Satanic Bible and didn't understand it very well who did it.

The Satanic bible?? Does such a thing exist?? I was not aware Satanists had Bibles. :eek:

Probably someone not affiliated with Santeria (which I think I've never heard about) or Wicca - Probably somebody who read the Satanic Bible and didn't understand it very well who did it.

Probably just some random nutters. Wicca is pretty big on not harming people, so I can't see them rushing to sacrifice animals.

The Satanic bible?? Does such a thing exist?? I was not aware Satanists had Bibles. :eek:

ever heard of the Codex Gigas or Devil's bible

The Satanic bible?? Does such a thing exist?? I was not aware Satanists had Bibles. :eek:

Well, it's just named that. I wouldn't really call it "a Bible" in that sense - It's very short, very badly written (IMO) and full of BS by a now dead guy called Lavey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

did the republicans do any campaigning in the area? :p

also do maggots eat fruit now?

Somehow this comes to mind:

http://www.nearingzero.net/extrat/screenres/extrat004.jpg

It sounds like its possibly a bunch of morons who think theyre great coz theyre 'satanists!' Or it may have been different black voodoo clans. Or just some sick joke

It sounds like its possibly a bunch of morons who think theyre great coz theyre 'satanists!' Or it may have been different black voodoo clans. Or just some sick joke

Yeah, this.

Neither wiccans not LaVeyan satanists are fans of animal sacrifice and torture. You need one of the Abrahamic religions for that (though they sacrifice in a different way) or devilworshippers.

Neither wiccans not LaVeyan satanists are fans of animal sacrifice and torture. You need one of the Abrahamic religions for that (though they sacrifice in a different way) or devilworshippers.

Or people who aren't doing it for religious reasons.

It probably was PETA.

Much more likely than Wiccans.

Or people who aren't doing it for religious reasons.

True. But just cutting a throat is usually not enough fun for people who get a kick out of torture.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.


It probably was PETA.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

wiccans of certain stripes sometimes think that they can cast spells. (probably those who watch reruns of "charmed") if that is witchcraft then there you go. the answer is "mostly not".

and i dont think that wiccans ever do animal sacrifice. which doesnt prevent some unconnected idiot from thinking they do and giving it a try in their name.

santeria is not wicca. its more like voudon. a blend of catholicism and native african religion cooked together in the carribean sun. its my understanding that the animal sacrifices are not always eaten. i dont know why or why not.

do you have cubans or other carribean islanders in your neighborhood?

or it might just be some creepy neighborhood kid working his way up to serial killer.

Unfortunately, the police in your town are talking out of their asses. Because someone on your police force saw some episode of Law and Order or something where a Santeria animal sacrifice was the main issue, he now assumes that this is what a mutilated animal carcass means. He is wrong. He might as well claim that it was space aliens.

Wiccans do not practice animal sacrifice. Santeria does but consumes the meat afterwards. It is possible that it is someone who knows nothing about either but THINKS that animal sacrifice will make them a witch, a Satanist or some other practitioner of magick. It is probably more likely that it was some sick person or persons just screwing around for the hell of it.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm is a good place to get an overview of the Wiccan religion, and if you are interested, they also have a good bibliography to get you started on further research.

One thing to keep in mind about Wicca (or witchcraft, as yes, some practitioners do interchange the words) is the Wiccan Rede, which is to Wicca what the Ten Commandments are to Christianity. The Rede says "An' harm it none, do what thou will." which basically means you may do whatever you would like to do, as long as you don't hurt anyone. Wiccans believe that whatever harm you do will come back to you three fold (or seven fold, or twelve fold depending on your particular branch of Wicca) and so animal sacrifices, which are quite harmful, are right out.

I, myself, am not a practicing Wiccan, but I have done a great deal of research, so I may be able to answer any other questions you have.

As someone who was a practising wiccan and has been involved with a Satanist I can tell you that that is total BS.

Wicca, as has been stated follows the number one rule of "An it harm none, do what thou will." There are no wiccan rituals or spells that call for any type of animal sacrifice, offerings of harvests and produce yes, but animal sacrifice no. As to the question about wicca/witchcraft - wicca is a kind of witchcraft, just like Anglicans are Christians. So just as someone may identify themselves as both an Anglican and a Christian, whilst others may use Christian to refer only to other denominations and Anglican as themselves, some will treat the terms interchangeably, whilst others treat them separately.

Satanists on the other hand, well, there are some who do practise animal sacrifice, but not that many, and the real hardcore and true to ideal ones tend not to. However the amount of mutilation you described doesn't sound right for a true satanic ritual - which is generally more focused on demon conjuring and blood-letting. If it was a satanic act, it was most likely done by wannabe Satanists who actually have no idea what the real principals are and think its just about destruction and "evil" as it is usually portrayed by the media.

Most likely it was a bunch of repressed kids lashing out at society and doing something to push the boundaries.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

I practiced Wicca for a time. It is not a religion that practices blood sacrifice in any form. The closest they might come to a blood sacrifice is to give blood to the local blood bank in the name of the Goddess. Some do eat meat, however, and when Wiccans eat, they give thanks to what they've eaten for providing nourishment for them and give a small portion to the Goddess.

Wicca and witchcraft are often used interchangeably. But they are not always the same thing - a witch to a Navajo has a very different meaning than it does to a Scot, for instance. It's best to use Wicca and Wiccan and not witch and witchcraft just because of the confusion that can be caused.

Neither Satanists or Wiccans practice any form of animal sacrifice. Satanist will only kill an animal for food, in self- defence or as an act of mercy. Although I can't speak for Wiccans, I have know several, and have learned a lot about Wicca, and from what I've learned they have the same attitude.

Psycho kids (of all ages) playing at evil and trying to shock themselves and others, all to often might. Perpertrators of ritual animal sacrifice have, by their actions, proven themselves to be less deserving of life than their victims.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

Etymologically "wicca" and "witchcraft" are interchangeable terms... The modern term "witch" derived from the Middle-English term Wiche, again from an Old-English word "wicce" which was a direct latinization of an late Brythic word used for particular practitioners of naturalist religions amongst the Celts.

Wicce(OE) is what was modernized as "Wicca" for use as a name for the religion. Though Wicca is a new religion, merely adopting aspects of certain Celtic naturalist religions, and not a direct progenitor.

EDIT: It's also of note that while human sacrifice was practiced by some groups of Celts in the northern regions of Britania, animal sacrifice was not common amongst any Celtic tribes... And Wicca, following its naturalist origins in the Celtic religions, does not have sacrifice as a component of it's ceremonies. Contrary to what may be falsely stated by particular radical Christian sects and their adherents...

It was Voodoo maaaaaaaaan!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice

True. But just cutting a throat is usually not enough fun for people who get a kick out of torture.

Does it matter if it's for religion or sadistic fun? Same result. If your religion involves sacrifice and sick rituals, you should be persecuted by sane society.

I am sad to say that I used to practice Wicca. I have since become a Christian, but I know that in the time that I practiced it, I never once saw in a book or saw in any experience of mine even one thing that said to sacrifice animals, or anything else for that matter. The premise of anything I studied preached love and respect toward all things. Now I'm not sticking up for this practice, because I believe that the only way to heaven is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but from my knowledge, no nothing like that is practiced in mainstream Wicca. Then again, that isn't to say that people aren't doing it in the name of Wicca either....

Psycho kids (of all ages) playing at evil and trying to shock themselves and others, all to often might. Perpertrators of ritual animal sacrifice have, by their actions, proven themselves to be less deserving of life than their victims.

Being a teen, and very much into dark concepts of life, I am shocked at how cruel some others my age can be. I would never torture an animal for fun, I don't even eat meat.

Whoever killed the animals are probably sick bastard, and the police who links this up to Wicca or Satanism is a dumb ass. I have friends who are Wicca, I've been to "public" viewing of Wicca rituals, and I've studied Wicca, there's no animal sacrifice in their religion. People who think they kill animals are the same people who think Jack Chick, Fred Phelps and whoever the hell that gay preacher is, is the ultimate authority on Christianity.

Well, as the resident occultist of NSG, I say no. I also say I came too late on this thread, and I agree with most of what has been said about the issue.

Who do you think did it?????

ever heard of the Codex Gigas or Devil's bible

No.

Who do you think did it?????

Practitioners of Voodoo or Santaria (more likely the former, since the carcases of the animals were not consumed).

Or as a prank.

Or, possibly some cultish operation be twisted individuals not directly associated with any formal religion.

Cult of Chthulhu

Professor Plum, in the back yard, with the hedge trimmers.

My vote goes to derranged teen who's father didn't hug them enough. *nods*

It was the poultry version of the French Revolution

It was Voodoo maaaaaaaaan!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice

Let's check the Magic 8-ball...

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/8balldie.jpg

:eek:

Being a teen, and very much into dark concepts of life, I am shocked at how cruel some others my age can be. I would never torture an animal for fun, I don't even eat meat.

Sadly enough, it is the shockingly cruel who get in the news and screw up reality for the rest. Happens in Satanism, Wicca, Christianity etc.

Wicca doesn't usually go in for animal sacrifice. Druids occasionally do, but I can't think of any major druidic holidays that have recently occurred, and they're usually pretty polite about cleaning up after themselves.

Probably it was some kids who thought it would be cool to pretend they were sacrificing their souls to the devil, or thought that's what "witchcraft" was all about.

There was animal sacrifice at my niece's naming ceremony in August (2 sheep). It's not that uncommon.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

Animal sacrifice has no place in Wicca. It has a place in some revivalist pagan groups, but the animal is supposed to be eaten afterwards. i.e. the preparation of food has as much religious significance as the communal dinner afterwards.

There was animal sacrifice at my niece's naming ceremony in August (2 sheep). It's not that uncommon.

Did you eat the sheeps?

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

Please close your account.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

I'm not Wiccan, but I know a ton about Wicca (having temporarily converted over the summer and then back to atheism... don't ask please). Wiccans practice witchcraft, and a LOT of Wiccans do. However you don't have to be Wiccan to practice witchcraft.

Wiccans could not have done it, since this violates their religion and most non-Wiccans wouldn't even do this. Santerians however... I have no idea what Santerians are.

It could have been a sick joke, but I find it highly unlikely that any Wiccans did it.

It was me, I only eat food I kill myself. :)

Professor Plum, in the back yard, with the hedge trimmers.

The most plausible answer yet.

Day late and a dollar short, but . . .

Wiccans do not practice blood sacrifice, neither do most modern varieties of Satanist. Or, despite what one poster said, most (not all) modern varieties of druid. Followers of Vodoon and Santeria normally consume the corpse as part of a communal feast, the only time I'm aware of that they would not is if they meant to use the sacrifice as a vessel to transfer someones disease or curse to in order to rid them of that disease or curse, however it sounds like more animals were found than would normally be needed for that. I suppose that if the ceremony were interrupted they may have ran to avoid being discovered (animal sacrifice is against the law in many areas) but I think it was more likely that it was some nutters playing at Devil Worship. Among other things if it were Santeria or Vodoon they would most likely have found veves made from substances like flour, ground red brick, and corn meal.

the pics showed 6 bodybags of goats and chickens

Hey Animal Farm is coming true...those goats and chickens were clearly capitalist running dog elements who had to be eliminated by the pigs to clear the way for true socialism. Good old comrades Snowball and Napoleon.

hmmm ban on witchcraft sounds like a good idea for an UN resolution.

burn 'em I say, burn 'em all at the stake

*has peasant riots in the nation of ptolemai*

Did you eat the sheeps?

The plural is sheep, not sheeps.

*peasants run amock, carrying torches*

Does it matter if it's for religion or sadistic fun? Same result. If your religion involves sacrifice and sick rituals, you should be persecuted by sane society.

Yeah true, like eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ! Sickening!

Yeah true, like eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ! Sickening!

Erm... except that it isn't 'physically' the body and blood of a long dead man. So whether or not it is believed to be that, it isn't.

Unfortunately for PETA, US federal courts on the east coast ruled that religious cults have a first amendment right to engage in animal sacrifice.

(Goes to find article).

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=18342

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DE1339F937A15750C0A964958260&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FM%2FMidler%2C%20Bette

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/politics/animal-sacr.html

http://www.ndsn.org/july93/animal.html (they ruled against banning ritual animal sacrifice)

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1993/9/1993-9-05.shtml

http://online.sfsu.edu/~biella/santeria/dec1.html

This is an example of the Supreme Court telling the state it has to bend over backward to accomodate religious people. Same with the Native American church that was found to have a first amendment right to smoke the banned peyote.

Ban Wicca, I like this plan.
I believe everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, unless it's as stupid as "Wicca".

I mean c'mon, at least other religions have more of a foundation than:
"Invented in order to win a bet."

Ban Wicca, I like this plan.
I believe everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, unless it's as stupid as "Wicca".

I mean c'mon, at least other religions have more of a foundation than:
"Invented in order to win a bet."
You may be thinking of Scientology.

Practising wiccan, studied a large number of different 'traditions' - like the others have said before inthe thread - no wiccan's don't believe in animal sacrifice. THough there is history in some traditions of wiccans deeming a need so great that they have sacrificed - willingly, knowingly, joyously - themselves. ( and before you critize - what do you think Christ's sacrifice was?)

Satanists true to the precepts of mainstream Satanism don't either, but again there are always deluded wannabes.

Voudoun and Santaria does do animal sacrifice, but the 'real' ones eat what they sacrifice unless there is a deliberate reason within the intent of the ceremony that prevents this. Sounds like too large a number of dead bodiesas well, so I'd say 'wannabes' of either stripe.

Cruelity and sick kicks are cruelity and sick kicks wether you try to claim it as religious ritual or not

Ban Wicca, I like this plan.
I believe everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, unless it's as stupid as "Wicca".

I mean c'mon, at least other religions have more of a foundation than:
"Invented in order to win a bet."

Yea....you're thinking of Scientology, not Wicca.

Unfortunately for PETA, US federal courts on the east coast ruled that religious cults have a first amendment right to engage in animal sacrifice.

(Goes to find article).

Just curious, is Islam now considered a cult? Because several of my students were telling me about how their family is going to sacrifice a sheep for Eid -- one third of which is cooked for a big family dinner, one third of which is given to friends, and one third of which is given to be distributed to the poor.

Just curious, is Islam now considered a cult? Because several of my students were telling me about how their family is going to sacrifice a sheep for Eid -- one third of which is cooked for a big family dinner, one third of which is given to friends, and one third of which is given to be distributed to the poor.

I do not understand this. It seems that any group that engages in animal sacrifice or non "mainstream" rituals is considered occultic.

But I'm not so sure if it was an animal sacrifice cause of the number of animals and what people have said about wicca, santeria and satanism. It's possible it was a stalker sending a message to his stalkee or some sick practical joke by teenagers or college students. In which case, I don't think the first amendment would do much to protect them.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

Could possibly be some form of Santeria, but it would be rare of them not to consume the meat. Wiccans don't perform animal sacrifices as far as I know, though. The police, as usual, are being morons.

Update:

There was 3 goats and several chickens involved that were victimized and for some reason, the maggots were actually inside the fruit.

Just curious, is Islam now considered a cult? Because several of my students were telling me about how their family is going to sacrifice a sheep for Eid -- one third of which is cooked for a big family dinner, one third of which is given to friends, and one third of which is given to be distributed to the poor.

Not a cult, they've always done that. They sacrafice a goat, and the meat is either eaten by everyone there, or given to the poor, or something like that. It's a long standing tradition, although it usually only happens at Eid al Adha, which is the celebration of Ibrahim's willingness to sacrafice that which was most dear to him to Allah. I'm not too sure it's common place for Eid al Fitr, which is this weekend.

People like to mix the terms religion and cult without understanding that there are modern social connotations between them. And people also like to differentiate the two as one bad, one good, without realising they mean the same thing.

Now I hate Wicca at least as much, likely more, then the next person, but honestly, even I know they don't do animal sacrafice. Neither do Satanists. It might just be sick little kids trying to get kicks or be "cool".

But has anyone considered the idea that a trick driver carrying freshly slaughtered meet between two butcher shops bit into his apple as he drove, saw maggots, totally freaked out and almost lost control of his truck, but in the process of swerving to regain control the back doors to the truck opened and out flew the freshly slaughtered meet that was supposed to go to another butcher to be processed, and he chucked the rotten fruit out the window in a panic? Seems the most plausible of all the options minus the stupid kids one.

Not a cult, they've always done that. They sacrafice a goat, and the meat is either eaten by everyone there, or given to the poor, or something like that. It's a long standing tradition, although it usually only happens at Eid al Adha, which is the celebration of Ibrahim's willingness to sacrafice that which was most dear to him to Allah. I'm not too sure it's common place for Eid al Fitr, which is this weekend.


Now I hate Wicca at least as much, likely more, then the next person, but honestly, even I know they don't do animal sacrafice. Neither do Satanists. It might just be sick little kids trying to get kicks or be "cool".



I was brought up in Lancashire and sacrificing the goat for Eid al Fitr was quite common. And for a while controversial because people did the butchering at home. I believe that has been banned.

As for Wicca - well Lancashire has more than it's fair share of witches and always has had. There is no animal sacrifice. Some people who follow a Celtic branch will have a samain meal that consists of meat - but that is a celebration of the end of one year and the beginning of another. And you could say it was a ritual sacrifice but only in the same sense that a turkey dinner for thanksgiving or Christmas is a ritual sacrifice.

The samain meat eating was originally due to the fact not many animals would be kept through the winter. So at the end of the year those for slaughter were chosen, killed and fresh meat eaten.

I don't think it was Wiccans. If you found a trash pile of Twinkie wrappers, clove cigarette butts, and receipts for over-priced pieces of fake crystal, then it would be Wiccans.

Just curious, is Islam now considered a cult? Because several of my students were telling me about how their family is going to sacrifice a sheep for Eid -- one third of which is cooked for a big family dinner, one third of which is given to friends, and one third of which is given to be distributed to the poor.

So everybody happy - except the sheep of course. Halal slaughter can be quite animal unfriendly.

Now I hate Wicca at least as much, likely more, then the next person, but honestly, even I know they don't do animal sacrafice. Neither do Satanists. It might just be sick little kids trying to get kicks or be "cool".

Hate Wicca? Why?

Every year millions of turkeys are ritually sacrificed to celebrate the birth of Jesus...

Not a cult, they've always done that. They sacrafice a goat, and the meat is either eaten by everyone there, or given to the poor, or something like that. It's a long standing tradition, although it usually only happens at Eid al Adha, which is the celebration of Ibrahim's willingness to sacrafice that which was most dear to him to Allah. I'm not too sure it's common place for Eid al Fitr, which is this weekend.

People like to mix the terms religion and cult without understanding that there are modern social connotations between them. And people also like to differentiate the two as one bad, one good, without realising they mean the same thing.

Now I hate Wicca at least as much, likely more, then the next person, but honestly, even I know they don't do animal sacrafice. Neither do Satanists. It might just be sick little kids trying to get kicks or be "cool".

But has anyone considered the idea that a trick driver carrying freshly slaughtered meet between two butcher shops bit into his apple as he drove, saw maggots, totally freaked out and almost lost control of his truck, but in the process of swerving to regain control the back doors to the truck opened and out flew the freshly slaughtered meet that was supposed to go to another butcher to be processed, and he chucked the rotten fruit out the window in a panic? Seems the most plausible of all the options minus the stupid kids one.

At the end of a cul de sac? The animals were discovered behind some bushes then pulled onto the street by animal control to be tagged and bagged.

Every year millions of turkeys are ritually sacrificed to celebrate the birth of Jesus...

I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are terrible ones.

I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are terrible ones.

and yet you do, just do what I do. Just convince yourself that everyone else are idiots and are only after their own personal gain, you know be cynical, and life will get a whole lot easier, or you'll have a heart attack. Either way you'll get some ice cream.

At the end of a cul de sac? The animals were discovered behind some bushes then pulled onto the street by animal control to be tagged and bagged.


The truck driver had obviously been playing too much Rallisport challenge, or CMR, and was probably drunk, or high, or both at the time.

Stranger things have happened.

(...) or you'll have a heart attack. Either way you'll get some ice cream.

I think that's for tonsillitis.

Witchcraft may or may not involve sacrifices, Wicca does not. They are not the same.

I think that's for tonsillitis.

Grrrrr... no. :(

For tonsillitis they wouldn't give me ice cream because it is milk based, which causes excess phlegm production. They gave me sherbet. And jello. I hate sherbet. And am not terribly fond of jello.

Witchcraft may or may not involve sacrifices, Wicca does not. They are not the same.

What is your source for that info?

Every year millions of turkeys are ritually sacrificed to celebrate the birth of Jesus...

I thought that was to celebrate the English conquest of north america

Is the Devil's work.

I thought that was to celebrate the English conquest of north america
There's Western countries outside the US as well, and lacking Thanksgiving, the poor people there are forced to slaughter their turkeys at christmas ;)

Is the Devil's work.

Satire?

KJV Exodus 22:18

18. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Ok, but have you ever actually studied the Wiccan faith, or did you just get all of your life lessons from "Dark Dungeons" (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp)?

Satire?
KJV Exodus 22:18

18. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Any wiccans here? I was wondering if witchcraft involved animal sacrifice because they found some mutilated dead goats and chickens with their heads chopped off at the end of my street and the police are saying that either Santeria or wiccans were involved.
Wikipedia says that Santerians eat the animals after they are sacrificed though. And I doubt wiccans did it but I was wondering if there were any wiccans on here who could enlighten me.

Also am I being presumptous in thinking witchcraft and wicca are the same thing? I've heard some people in the past use the terms interchangeably.
And I've heard other people use them seperately as if they were different things.

yeah, wiccan here, family wiccan since before it was called that. Wiccans don't sacrifice animals, although sometimes (rarely) menstrual blood is used for a charm or spell. Wiccans call their craft 'witch' but don't think 'wicked of west', think more willow. Blessed be.

What is your source for that info?

Witchcraft is a term that covers any sort of 'low magic', regardless of the religious connections of it. Wicca is a religion founded in the 1950s.

Cult of Chthulhu

Stupid fucks, since Cthulu doesn't piddle around with penny-ante bullshit. That's more serious business with that fella.

Did you eat the sheeps?
The sheep were not, eaten, no.