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You have to love Mike Huckabee. I mean, how can someone be more obtuse unless they are intentionally trying to be as hypocritical as possible? He blasted Hillary for Moveon.org and used the Right's boogeyman (George Soros) of course. Then the next day he says Rush calling REAL SOLDIERS who happen to disagree with him "fake soldiers" is just fine and dandy. I personally believe that both are free speech and should be allowed. Both Rush's words and he moveon.org add are vile and I am personally offended by each. Any thoughts on how high this ranks on the hypocritometer?

PS- I'm not running from my thread, I just need sleep and will see if it's still there in the morning.

plus i heard criticizing generals in us history is nothing new.

so it is merely another example of pollies kneeling down and
calling the country Myanmar

You have to love Mike Huckabee. I mean, how can someone be more obtuse unless they are intentionally trying to be as hypocritical as possible? He blasted Hillary for Moveon.org and used the Right's boogeyman (George Soros) of course. Then the next day he says Rush calling REAL SOLDIERS who happen to disagree with him "fake soldiers" is just fine and dandy. I personally believe that both are free speech and should be allowed. Both Rush's words and he moveon.org add are vile and I am personally offended by each. Any thoughts on how high this ranks on the hypocritometer?

PS- I'm not running from my thread, I just need sleep and will see if it's still there in the morning.

this is not hypocrisy. This is straight up doublethink.

Colbert skewered this pretty well. (http://images.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=109225&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/the_word/index.jhtml&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true)

Can't do better.

Remember, when the rightwing does it, it is is good and when the leftwing does it, it is bad.

Colbert skewered this pretty well. (http://images.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=109225&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/the_word/index.jhtml&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true)

Can't do better.

Worst video player ever. Jesus.

Worst video player ever. Jesus.

Yeah, I'm not a fan.

Quote taken out of context. Anyone caught playing soldier when he was never a soldier deserves to be called a fake soldier.
Provide the context, then. I have doubts.

Quote taken out of context. Anyone caught playing soldier when he was never a soldier deserves to be called a fake soldier.

The context was that of veterans of the Iraq war who made clear they were against it, and Rush was calling them phony soldiers because of it, since he seems to have this stupid idea that all soldiers always support wars no matter what.

That said, Huckabee was right in that Rush had full rights to say that. Of course, MoveOn.org also had full rights to say what they did and thus Huckabee ought to be called on his hypocrisy. Just remember that while he might be hypocritical, Rush really did have the right to say what he said. It was idiotic, like most everything he says, but he has full right to say it.

For Rush, I don't deny that his comments were targeting some who didn't deserve to be targeted, and were somewhat stupid to say, but I also think people against him purposefully try to make what he said worse than it is. Believe me, I hate Rush and all right-wing radio hosts, but it's pretty ignorant to think liberals aren't loving this oppurtunity to attack him.

For MoveOn, every politician fails, because no one stood up and said "It is an ad by a site with an agenda, what is everyone so shocked about?"

The context was that of veterans of the Iraq war who made clear they were against it, and Rush was calling them phony soldiers because of it, since he seems to have this stupid idea that all soldiers always support wars no matter what.

That said, Huckabee was right in that Rush had full rights to say that. Of course, MoveOn.org also had full rights to say what they did and thus Huckabee ought to be called on his hypocrisy. Just remember that while he might be hypocritical, Rush really did have the right to say what he said. It was idiotic, like most everything he says, but he has full right to say it.

It's not so much hypocrisy as it is opinion. 2 people may do similar things for different reasons, you aren't a hypocrite if you favor the one you agree with. It's human to be biased.

It's not so much hypocrisy as it is opinion. 2 people may do similar things for different reasons, you aren't a hypocrite if you favor the one you agree with. It's human to be biased.

Nyet. This is not a case of specific opinions. He was stating that Rush had a constitutional right to free speech regardless of how false that speech might have been whereas he said that MoveOn.org was nigh treasonous for the same kind of speech. That is hypocrisy.

Nyet. This is not a case of specific opinions. He was stating that Rush had a constitutional right to free speech regardless of how false that speech might have been whereas he said that MoveOn.org was nigh treasonous for the same kind of speech. That is hypocrisy.
No, he didn't say that MoveOn.org was being treasonous, he said that MoveOn.org was accusing General Pterodactyl of treason. There is a difference of magnitude between what MoveOn.org printed and what Rush said. Calling someone a phony soldier is childish, yes, but not a criminal allegation.

Huckabee's comments weren't hypocritical, and last night's episode of the Colbert Report was pathetic and unfunny. This has been another episode of, Things You Should Know, But Apparently Didn't.

Remember, when the rightwing does it, it is is good and when the leftwing does it, it is bad.
Really? I thought it was the other way around. See, whenever a Democrat says something blantantly racist or sexist or otherwise offensive it may not even make it to the 6 o'clock but if a Republican does it that soundbite will either be replayed every 3 minutes for a week on everything but Fox News (who will do everything in their power to burry the story) or what is actually said will be ommitted from the coverage completely and in its place will be a commentary on it.

Now I'm not saying that Moron.org should have been censured for what it did, that is the first link in the chain of tyranny, but baseless accusations of treason are pretty fucking stupid and they're more of an annoyance now than anything else. My advice, pack up the current site and start a new one because I've just stopped caring about what they say and do and I know I'm not alone.

Now I'm not saying that Moron.org should have been censured for what it did, that is the first link in the chain of tyranny
Down with freedom of speech!

Nyet. This is not a case of specific opinions. He was stating that Rush had a constitutional right to free speech regardless of how false that speech might have been whereas he said that MoveOn.org was nigh treasonous for the same kind of speech. That is hypocrisy.

Anyone with a brain can see MoveOn isn't treasonous. Generally I want to say both incidents are insignificant, but it's hard to get me to care, so I'll give my personal views anyway.

Rush: I hate him anyway. In this particular instance I think he made a typical idiotic rightwing comment, and shouldn't be so shocked that he's being attacked over it.

MoveOn: I think that someone had the rhyme for like a year and really wanted to use it. I do believe Patreaus is trying to decieve us and is treasonous, and am shocked at the outcry over a rhyme that it probably took a MoveOn writer a year to come up with.

Go forth dear conservatives, flame-ith me now-ith.

No, he didn't say that MoveOn.org was being treasonous, he said that MoveOn.org was accusing General Pterodactyl of treason. There is a difference of magnitude between what MoveOn.org printed and what Rush said. Calling someone a phony soldier is childish, yes, but not a criminal allegation.

Huckabee's comments weren't hypocritical, and last night's episode of the Colbert Report was pathetic and unfunny. This has been another episode of, Things You Should Know, But Apparently Didn't.

I said nigh treasonous, Fiddlebottoms.

Down with freedom of speech!
From Hell's Heart, I Stab At Thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!*KA-BOOM*

I am outraged by the feigned outrage from both sides.

Rush Limbaugh is the last person who should be judging a soldier for what he is or isn't. I mean didn't he miss Vietnam due to a cyst in his ass?

Worst video player ever. Jesus.

Worst comedian ever. Colbert.

Both sides will always bicker with one another, that's true liberty. But when slander and libel begin to dominate media, then it is up to those individuals to pursuit legal action against their defacers. Government should not get involved by censure to either party, it is a restriction on the concept of free speech.

Worst comedian ever. Colbert.

he may be a bad comedian,
but his political commentary is usually dead on

Rush Limbaugh is the last person who should be judging a soldier for what he is or isn't. I mean didn't he miss Vietnam due to a cyst in his ass?

Em, so?

Worst comedian ever. Colbert.
You can bitch about that when he does standup; this political commentary shit is hilarious. Especially when all the dipshit conservatives think he is actually conservative.

he may be a bad comedian,
but his political commentary is usually dead on

"Dead" would be a better definition.

"Dead" would be a better definition.

You do realize that Stephen Colbert is not a conservative, right? That Colbert Report persona is a created personality designed to mimic Rush, Hanity, O'Riley, etc....

"Some people have compared replacing cabinet members in this administration to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic........ I say, no..... This administration is not sinking.... It is SOARING!........ It is like rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg."

Quote taken out of context. Anyone caught playing soldier when he was never a soldier deserves to be called a fake soldier.

Umm No. The caller and he agreed that "soldiers coming back from Iraq and speaking out against the war...(Rush interrupts) "Yeah, the fake soldiers."

During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh characterized service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers." Limbaugh said to a caller that "[t]here's a lot" that people who favor U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "don't understand" and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, " 'Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.' ... 'Save the -- keep the troops safe' or whatever," adding, "[I]t's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people." Limbaugh's caller replied, "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." Limbaugh interjected, "The phony soldiers." The caller, who had earlier said, "I am a serving American military, in the Army," agreed, replying, "The phony soldiers."

FACTS vs. FICTION

FICTION: Limbaugh's comments referred to only one soldier

FACT: During his September 28 broadcast, responding to criticism of his comments, Limbaugh claimed that rather than speaking generally of soldiers who support withdrawal from Iraq, he was "talking about one soldier with that 'phony soldier' comment." Later in the program, he asserted, "[E]verybody involved in this knows full well I was talking about one genuine, convicted, lying, fake soldier," referring to Jesse MacBeth, who pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs for pretending to be an injured Iraq war veteran. But as the September 26 transcript makes clear, Limbaugh actually referred to "phony soldiers," plural. Responding to the caller's statement that supporters of withdrawal "like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media," Limbaugh responded, "The phony soldiers" [emphasis added].

FICTION: Limbaugh's comments occurred
during a discussion about Jesse MacBeth

FACT: On the October 2 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, while purporting to give viewers "some background" on Limbaugh's comments, co-anchor Megyn Kelly reported: "Rush originally used this term 'phony soldiers' when he was talking about a guy named Jesse MacBeth. ... Limbaugh was making the point that this guy was basically a 'phony soldier,' and he was trying to say that sometimes people on the left use 'phony soldiers' like this to make their points." But contrary to Kelly's assertion that "Rush originally used this term 'phony soldiers' when he was talking about" MacBeth, Limbaugh did not mention MacBeth on the September 26 broadcast of his radio show until 1 minute and 50 seconds after he used the phrase "phony soldiers." After Limbaugh used the phrase, the caller he was speaking with went on to discuss the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, with Limbaugh responding. Limbaugh then thanked the caller for calling, and the caller is not heard again on the broadcast. Only after this did Limbaugh bring up MacBeth on his September 26 show.

FICTION: Limbaugh's comments referred
to a group of actual military imposters

FACT: During his September 28 broadcast, following his repeated assertions that he had been referring to "one soldier," a caller asked, "But you did say 'soldiers' in plural, though, didn't you?" Limbaugh replied: "Yes, because there have been a number of these people, but they were not active duty -- I was not talking about anti-war, active duty troops. I was talking about people who've been exposed as frauds who never served in Iraq but claimed to have seen all these atrocities, [unintelligible]." Limbaugh repeated this explanation during his October 2 broadcast, describing MacBeth as "the man I was referring to and others like him as 'phony soldiers.' " However, this explanation is inconsistent with his statements earlier in his September 28 program -- noted above -- that he had been talking about "one soldier." Indeed, the transcript (subscription required) of the September 28 broadcast that is posted on Limbaugh's website shows him asserting: "I was talking about one soldier with that phony soldier comment, Jesse MacBeth [italics, bold, and underline in original]."

FICTION: Limbaugh played the "entire"
segment to explain his remarks

FACT: On his September 28 broadcast, Limbaugh purported to air the "entire" September 26 segment in which he referred to "phony soldiers" to prove that "Media Matters ... selectively choose[s] what they want to make their point." In fact, the clip he then aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35 seconds of the 1 minute and 50 second discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment and his reference to MacBeth, the full audio of which can be heard here. Prior to airing the edited clip, Limbaugh said: "Here is, it runs about 3 minutes and 13 seconds, the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy." After the clip ended, Limbaugh stated: "That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website Media Matters generated this story."

Further, the transcript (subscription required) of his September 28 broadcast posted on Limbaugh's website does not make clear how much time elapsed between Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" remark and his discussion of MacBeth -- or even that it omitted any part of the conversation: Limbaugh's transcript does not provide any notation or ellipsis to indicate that there is, in fact, a break in the transcript of the September 26 clip he used.

Similarly, during the October 2 edition of Fox News Live, after Fox News aired a brief clip of Limbaugh's September 26 "phony soldiers" comment, Carrie Lukas, director of policy for the conservative Independent Women's Forum, asserted, "If you go on for another, about 30 seconds, you hear Mr. Limbaugh start talking about Jesse MacBeth."

FICTION: Limbaugh did not call Rep. Jack Murtha a "phony soldier"

FACT: During the "Strategy Session" segment on the October 2 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, conservative talk show host Bill Bennett claimed that Limbaugh "did not call [Rep.] Jack Murtha [D-PA] a 'phony soldier.' " Bennett asserted that instead, Limbaugh "took Jack Murtha on, on the merits of the argument." In fact, during his September 28 broadcast Limbaugh stated:

LIMBAUGH: I was talking about a genuine phony soldier. And by the way, Jesse MacBeth's not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in The New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines at Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?

According to Murtha's biography on his congressional website, Murtha joined the Marines in 1952 and volunteered for service in Vietnam, where he was awarded the Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts.

FICTION: Limbaugh didn't compare wounded Iraq vet to suicide bomber

FACT: On his October 4 radio show, Limbaugh asserted that he "didn't call" wounded Iraq veteran Brian McGough "a suicide bomber" on his October 2 show and said he was "grateful" for McGough's service. McGough appeared in an ad released by VoteVets denouncing Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comment. In the ad, McGough says to Limbaugh, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service." Limbaugh said on October 2: "[T]his is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into." Several media outlets have noted Limbaugh's comments, reporting that Limbaugh compared or likened McGough to a suicide bomber, including the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, and ABCNews.com. Further, FoxNews.com reported that "Limbaugh decried the ad by the group that he linked to MoveOn.org, figuratively saying VoteVets is treating McGough like a suicide bomber."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200710060005?f=h_top

There a link to the Rush trnscript as well as audio of the actual conversation. You don't want to believe me or mediamatters then listen and read for yourself, then decide. It's what I did.

Umm No. The caller and he agreed that "soldiers coming back from Iraq and speaking out against the war...(Rush interrupts) "Yeah, the fake soldiers."

RUSH ARCHIVE: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.

CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.

RUSH: The phony soldiers.

Interrupted? WRONG!!! I can post the clip to. I can also post additional information. Sorry I cannot provide a link for it is on his members only website.

Em, so?

Rush Limbaugh is the phony so many of the most adamant warhawks are. He never fought a war yet expects other people to die for the cause he believes in.

Interrupted? WRONG!!! I can post the clip to. I can also post additional information. Sorry I cannot provide a link for it is on his members only website.

so why don't you go ahead and post a clip, rather than expecting us to take you on your word?

so why don't you go ahead and post a clip, rather than expecting us to take you on your word?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092607/content/01125113.guest.html

I can only post the transcript. I'm afraid I cannot post the clip for you need a membership to listen to it.

Em, so?

So, someone who got a deferment for an anal cyst calling a soldier who served in a war and is now against that war a "fake soldier" is just a dick move. It denigrates the sacrifice that these people have been willing to make for their country. He backpeddled and said, well uh I was talking about this one guy" when the caller clearly stated they were talking about soldiers who come back and now oppose the war. Really, follow the Mediamatters link to the official transcripts and the audio link. Listen for yourself and then decide.

So, someone who got a deferment for an anal cyst calling a soldier who served in a war and is now against that war a "fake soldier" is just a dick move.

Except that Limbaugh never claims to be a soldier.

It denigrates the sacrifice that these people have been willing to make for their country. He backpeddled and said, well uh I was talking about this one guy" when the caller clearly stated they were talking about soldiers who come back and now oppose the war. Really, follow the Mediamatters link to the official transcripts and the audio link. Listen for yourself and then decide.

Just to annoy the left even more:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100107/content/01125111.guest.html

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092807/content/01125106.guest.html

Oh and Liuzzo? Was this on mediamatters:

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/09/rush-limbaugh-phony-soldiers-flap-abc.html

In an explosive new twist to the flap over Rush Limbaugh and the "phony soldiers" controversy, it has emerged that ABC News used similar language and the same context in a news segment that aired two days before his comments. As a result, serious doubt should be cast upon those who are pushing for the talk titan's censure.

CALLER: I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, what these people don't understand, is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is not possible because of all the stuff that's over there, it would take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so.

RUSH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. The next guy that calls here I'm going to ask them, "What is the imperative of pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out?" I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "When's he going to bring the troops home? Keep the troops safe," whatever.

CALLER: Yeah.

RUSH: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.

CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.

RUSH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.

RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.

CALLER: A lot of people.

RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.

CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.

RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.

CALLER: Right.


RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.

Not until this point does he mention anything about Jessie MacBeth. The caller was talking about soldiers who talk to the media and Rush called them fake soldiers. Does he really expect everyone to believe that every single soldier who has come back from Iraq is in favor of the war? Really? That's either being obtuse to the enth degree of intentionally ignorant.

I also suggest that you look at the other links I provide. Guess what? He was not the first to use it. Alwell...I already know you hate conservatives so I cannot wait to see how you handle the fact that ABC News had a story on it before Rush Limbaugh said anything about it.

I also suggest that you look at the other links I provide. Guess what? He was not the first to use it. Alwell...I already know you hate conservatives so I cannot wait to see how you handle the fact that ABC News had a story on it before Rush Limbaugh said anything about it.
In fact, civilians posing as veterans has been such a problem recently that Congress passed the Stolen Valor Act in 2005 to criminalize the actions of 'phoney soldiers'. Apparently the number of fake Navy Seals and Army Special Forces veterans had grown to obscene proportions...

One can only wish that John Kerry could have been charged under the new law...

In fact, civilians posing as veterans has been such a problem recently that Congress passed the Stolen Valor Act in 2005 to criminalize the actions of 'phoney soldiers'. Apparently the number of fake Navy Seals and Army Special Forces veterans had grown to obscene proportions...

One can only wish that John Kerry could have been charged under the new law...

Legally...Kerry could not be charged under the act for he did legally serve in Vietnam and won his medals (though his purple hearts can be disputed)..

The phony soldiers being talked about by Rush and others are those who did not serve. Those are the ones that Rush was talking about.

This is why I never click on Media matters. They never tell the whole story behind the quote.

The bile that comes from both the left and the right are extremely disturbing. If you continue to read the caller describes WMD and all sorts of other stuff are that has just been drilled into the ground and debunked. If you want to call chlorine bombs WMD, then call white phospherous and depleted uranium munitions that the US uses WMD as well. It's time for a little intellectual honesty here. For Rush to insinuate an presume that all Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors are happy to be there and gung-ho about this war is just flat out stupid. You'll find a large contingent of people who have been there and done that, who are not in favor of the war and the CinC. Most of them will not speak for fear of breaking ranks, but believe me they are out there. Anytime someone makes a sweeping general statement you have to know that person is a jackass.

I posted a larger version of the transcript here and actually listened to the audio. If somehow Rush thought he was talking about someone else it was merely in his head and not coming out of his mouth. Both are instances of free speech and should be protected. As far as Moveon.org and Rush's comments re: them and Petreus...Look a what he has said about Generals who haven't "fallen in line" with the party game.

watch this ad from votevets.org (real soldiers) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnQ5Pvc6nE

http://www.youtube.com/user/votevets

MSNBC with Joe Scraborough-Hardly liberal

Legally...Kerry could not be charged under the act for he did legally serve in Vietnam and won his medals (though his purple hearts can be disputed)..
The phony soldiers being talked about by Rush and others are those who did not serve. Those are the ones that Rush was talking about.

This is why I never click on Media matters. They never tell the whole story behind the quote.

Where' the "Not this shit again?" photo when I need it.

In fact, civilians posing as veterans has been such a problem recently that Congress passed the Stolen Valor Act in 2005 to criminalize the actions of 'phoney soldiers'. Apparently the number of fake Navy Seals and Army Special Forces veterans had grown to obscene proportions...

One can only wish that John Kerry could have been charged under the new law...

Really, now you're just being patently dishonest. You know damn well Kerry served in Vietnam and was cited several times for his valor. I don't care much for the Junior Senator from Mass either, but I won't sink to the level of lying about his service. I'd expect a little more respect out of you considering that you say you are a vet. If you work to dishonor one of us then you are dishonoring all of us Sir.

Legally...Kerry could not be charged under the act for he did legally serve in Vietnam and won his medals (though his purple hearts can be disputed)..

The phony soldiers being talked about by Rush and others are those who did not serve. Those are the ones that Rush was talking about.

This is why I never click on Media matters. They never tell the whole story behind the quote.
Just his Purple Hearts? How about the Silver Star? But I know that he couldn't be prosecuted, that part was just wishful thinking...

But the problem with fake soldiers and sailors has been around for quite a while. Media Matters isn't factually complete, thus they are biased. I notice that they don't mention the 9/26/2007 ABC World News broadcast where Charles Gibson spoke about phoney soldiers. And I wouldn't expect them to, Gibson's comment was directed at the same group of people that Rush Limbaugh's was... Phoney soldiers that never served.

The bile that comes from both the left and the right are extremely disturbing. If you continue to read the caller describes WMD and all sorts of other stuff are that has just been drilled into the ground and debunked.

So I guess the IED explosion that had WMD in it was a hoax uh?

As to everything else, I see you still have not wrapped your mind around the fact that Rush was not going after actual soldiers but those who PRETEND TO BE SOLDIERS AND CONDEMN THE FUCKING WAR!!

Really, now you're just being patently dishonest. You know damn well Kerry served in Vietnam and was cited several times for his valor. I don't care much for the Junior Senator from Mass either, but I won't sink to the level of lying about his service. I'd expect a little more respect out of you considering that you say you are a vet. If you work to dishonor one of us then you are dishonoring all of us Sir.
I served with far more valor that John Kerry and all I got was a Navy Achievement medal. Sour grapes? Maybe, but the man is just dishonest.

Just his Purple Hearts? How about the Silver Star? But I know that he couldn't be prosecuted, that part was just wishful thinking...

But the problem with fake soldiers and sailors has been around for quite a while. Media Matters isn't factually complete, thus they are biased. I notice that they don't mention the 9/26/2007 ABC World News broadcast where Charles Gibson spoke about phoney soldiers. And I wouldn't expect them to, Gibson's comment was directed at the same group of people that Rush Limbaugh's was... Phoney soldiers that should never served.

Precisely.

This concludes the debunking of Media Matters in regard to phoney soldiers comment made by Rush and ABC.

So I guess the IED explosion that had WMD in it was a hoax uh?

As to everything else, I see you still have not wrapped your mind around the fact that Rush was not going after actual soldiers but those who PRETEND TO BE SOLDIERS AND CONDEMN THE FUCKING WAR!!

Nice to see you keeping your cool under fire Corny. Looking for another deletion are we? Interesting, who reported that this type of IED attack happened? Oh, that's right, a caller on the Rush Limbaugh show. No official reports, nothing from the white house, nothing from the CIA, nothing from State, just a guy calling in on the Rush Limbaugh show. Well, that's overwhelming evidence there Corny, I'll just take back all I said. If this were happening do you think the Bush White House would be silent on it? The question is rhetorical.

As for the bolded part what you meant to say was "You still haven't accepted my opinion as truth that this is what he was talking about." I read the transcript, I listened to the audio. He doesn't say a thing about a single about specifics until a full 2 minutes later. I mean, I'm sure Rush is glad you are a fan, but let's be serious here.

Anyhow, isn't this thread about Mike Huckabee?

I served with far more valor that John Kerry and all I got was a Navy Achievement medal. Sour grapes? Maybe, but the man is just dishonest.

You still lied. You claimed he didn't serve with honor. And really, how the hell do you know whether he served with valor or not? You were there? Let's take the combat reports and the soldiers who were there's opinion over yours. Mmkay? The full reports regarding each of his citations used to be online, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is an research. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you can smear a libel him.

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Nice to see you keeping your cool under fire Corny. Looking for another deletion are we?

Nice attempt at flamebaiting. If I was looking to get deleted, I would have directed an even more venomous post directly at you. I didn't so to say that I am looking for another deation is false and a potential flamebait.

Interesting, who reported that this type of IED attack happened? Oh, that's right, a caller on the Rush Limbaugh show.

Oh wait. A soldier that was in Iraq. And then there is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0307/analysis/analysis-220307.htm

It also denotes additional attacks using WMD. So um yea...

This concludes another debunkation of lies.

It does? Because you and Myrm agree? Let's go home everybody, these two have got it covered. We don't need to debate anymore, the overlords have weighed in.

so prove the ABC story wrong. Better yet, prove that Rush attacked those who were actually in the military.

Precisely.

This concludes the debunking of Media Matters in regard to phoney soldiers comment made by Rush and ABC.

It does? Because you and Myrm agree? Let's go home everybody, these two have got it covered. We don't need to debate anymore, the overlords have weighed in.

I served with far more valor that John Kerry and all I got was a Navy Achievement medal. Sour grapes? Maybe, but the man is just dishonest.

Yeah, how dare he disagree with you, eh? You're wishing he was prosecuted for THAT, not for "serving or not".

Ok, so are we in agreement that using white phosporous and depleated uranium are WMD attacks as well? Then that would mean we are guilty of this as well. Come on Corny, you're trying to reach and say chlorine attacks contitutes WMD. Wow, those are some small straws.

Um considering that chlorine is a chemical and used in gas attacks...yes it is a WMD!

White Phospherus is not actually a WMD unless it is used illegally against civilians ON PURPOSE. As to depleted uranium. That I will not comment on because of the fact that I have not investigated it.

Nice attempt at flamebaiting. If I was looking to get deleted, I would have directed an even more venomous post directly at you. I didn't so to say that I am looking for another deation is false and a potential flamebait.



Oh wait. A soldier that was in Iraq. And then there is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0307/analysis/analysis-220307.htm

It also denotes additional attacks using WMD. So um yea...

This concludes another debunkation of lies.

Ok, so are we in agreement that using white phosporous and depleated uranium are WMD attacks as well? Then that would mean we are guilty of this as well. Come on Corny, you're trying to reach and say chlorine attacks contitutes WMD. Wow, those are some small straws.

Nice attempt at flamebaiting. If I was looking to get deleted, I would have directed an even more venomous post directly at you. I didn't so to say that I am looking for another deation is false and a potential flamebait.



Oh wait. A soldier that was in Iraq. And then there is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0307/analysis/analysis-220307.htm

It also denotes additional attacks using WMD. So um yea...

This concludes another debunkation of lies.

oh look who's Mr. Sensitive now. YOU TYPED IN ALL CAPS WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN ON THE WEB AS YELLING. Therefore saying you were not keeping your cool is pretty accurate. Or are you going to claim you didn't do that now?

oh look who's Mr. Sensitive now. YOU TYPED IN ALL CAPS WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN ON THE WEB AS YELLING. Therefore saying you were not keeping your cool is pretty accurate. Or are you going to claim you didn't do that now?

Oh look. I never used all caps in the post you quoted.

Now prove that what ABC said about Phoney Soldiers and Rush Limbaugh said about phoney soldiers is talking about those that are serving in the military currently and not about those who have never served in the military.

so prove the ABC story wrong. Better yet, prove that Rush attacked those who were actually in the military.

I already posted the links and the transcript info. Read it for yourself. As far as the ABC story goes I never made any mention of that and I'm not going to debunk it. If I had used it as a premise for my argument then I might feel the need to do so. But because you are trying to attribute it to me by force I will not.

White Phosphorous used in Iraq by US (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm)

Us uses depleted Uranium in Iraq (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml)

more (http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/11023)

Um considering that chlorine is a chemical and used in gas attacks...yes it is a WMD!

White Phospherus is not actually a WMD unless it is used illegally against civilians ON PURPOSE. As to depleted uranium. That I will not comment on because of the fact that I have not investigated it.

...what the fuck? No, I mean really, what the fuck? A WMD stops being a WMD as long as we don't intentionally kill innocent people with it.

now here I thought a weapon. of. mass. destruction. had to do with the potential of the weapon. You know, that whole "capable of causing mass destruction" part. The question of who is ...well...massively destroyed as a result of its use seems to me to be entirely irrelevant as to the question of its capacity.

A WMD means weapon of mass destruction. This is a designation of capacity, of capability, of that weapons ability to cause, you guessed it, mass destruction. It doesn't magically transform into something depending WHERE it's deployed. Either it has the potential to cause mass destruction, or it does not. Saying that it's not a WMD when WE use it is the height of preposterousness.

It may not be a war crime to use white phosphorus on enemies as opposed to innocent civilians, but the designation of a WMD has nothing to do with target, and everything to do with potential.

I award you 0 points.

So I guess the IED explosion that had WMD in it was a hoax uh?

As to everything else, I see you still have not wrapped your mind around the fact that Rush was not going after actual soldiers but those who PRETEND TO BE SOLDIERS AND CONDEMN THE FUCKING WAR!!

Oh Corny, why do you make it so easy? Say you didn't type in all CAPS NOW WILL YOU?

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Nice to see you keeping your cool under fire Corny. Looking for another deletion are we? Interesting, who reported that this type of IED attack happened? Oh, that's right, a caller on the Rush Limbaugh show. No official reports, nothing from the white house, nothing from the CIA, nothing from State, just a guy calling in on the Rush Limbaugh show. Well, that's overwhelming evidence there Corny, I'll just take back all I said. If this were happening do you think the Bush White House would be silent on it? The question is rhetorical.


Working as an intel analyst in Iraq there were reports of an IED or two using munitions containing mustard gas. Most likely the munitions used containing the mustard gas were extremely old and the Iraqi's had lost track of them. That's what we figured anyway. Even if this was an honest to God WMD, it's hardly the grave danger Bush had presented.

Working as an intel analyst in Iraq there were reports of an IED or two using munitions containing mustard gas. Most likely the munitions used containing the mustard gas were extremely old and the Iraqi's had lost track of them. That's what we figured anyway. Even if this was an honest to God WMD, it's hardly the grave danger Bush had presented.

Oh Dear Lord Sir, don't try making any sense. Your logic has thrown me into a tizzy. Good show Sir.

I already posted the links and the transcript info. Read it for yourself. As far as the ABC story goes I never made any mention of that and I'm not going to debunk it.

In that case, you just lost the entire debate. I posted the story and you totally ignored it because it violates everything you believe is true. You cannot debunk it becaus eyou cannot debunk it. Congratulations, you lose.

As to the transcripts, I have read it and heard him speak them. I also heard him go after those who did not serve in the military. Now let us get past the Media matters bullshit and actually think.

I want you to prove that Rush's statements was a slur against those who currently serve and oppose the war instead of against those who are against the war but never served even though they claim they have.

Um considering that chlorine is a chemical and used in gas attacks...yes it is a WMD!

White Phospherus is not actually a WMD unless it is used illegally against civilians ON PURPOSE. As to depleted uranium. That I will not comment on because of the fact that I have not investigated it.

I don't know if you are aware, but most of thw world considers White Phosporous used against human beings to be illegal. The US has not signed that treaty, but it doesn't make it any more right. White
Phosphrous is supposed to be used in tracer rounds and such. The link I gave you shows that the US is using it in battle. White Phosphorous is a chemical that causes the melting of skin. So it's basically equivelent to chlorine. Thank you thank you, you're far too kind.

In that case, you just lost the entire debate. I posted the story and you totally ignored it because it violates everything you believe is true. You cannot debunk it becaus eyou cannot debunk it. Congratulations, you lose.

As to the transcripts, I have read it and heard him speak them. I also heard him go after those who did not serve in the military. Now let us get past the Media matters bullshit and actually think.

I want you to prove that Rush's statements was a slur against those who currently serve and oppose the war instead of against those who are against the war but never served even though they claim they have.

1. Did I ever bring up the ABC story?

2. I believe the ABC story

3. The links provided are evidence enough of my claims. You disagree that is what his intent was. You're aguing intent, I'm arguing the actual transcripts.

4. I've provided evidence of White Phosphorous and Depleted Uranium which you have chosen to ignore because...?

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have --

CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know --

LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.

CALLER 1: No, I'm not.

LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is -- the truth is the truth, Mike.

CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.

[...]

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but --

LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question --

CALLER 1: -- seriously, how long do we have to stay there --

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!

CALLER 1: -- to win it? How long?

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.

CALLER 1: And that is what?

LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long -- just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.

CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever --

LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't --

CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take.

LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.

CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

LIMBAUGH: You bet.

CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have --

CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know --

LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.

CALLER 1: No, I'm not.

LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is -- the truth is the truth, Mike.

CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.

[...]

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but --

LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question --

CALLER 1: -- seriously, how long do we have to stay there --

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!

CALLER 1: -- to win it? How long?

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.

CALLER 1: And that is what?

LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long -- just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.

CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever --

LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't --

CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take.

LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.

CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

LIMBAUGH: You bet.

CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

Sorry to quote myself, but in this exchange he calls the guy on the phone a liar and says he is not a Republican and is in essence a phony soldier. It's too hard for Rush to fathom that a man could be a soldier and a Republican and be against the war. So if we want to argue if Rush is capable of a "phony soldier" comment we can see here he just did it. Now whether the guy on the phone was real or not, Rush immediately blew him off because "how in the hell could someone be aq Republican and a soldier and question the prosecution of the war?"

PS-Real Soldiers Against the War (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/so-im-a-phony-soldier_b_66175.html)

so prove the ABC story wrong. Better yet, prove that Rush attacked those who were actually in the military.

The ABC story is true and I have never denied it. So what are we arguing that for again? You see it your way and I see it mine. Rush took the opportunity, as he frequently does, to paint all those who disagree with him as wrong and phony. It's a scorched Earth strategy that works when you're hanging around with all the boys that agree with everything you say. A guy walks in and says you're wrong and you all gang up on him. It makes for good hunting, but not good debate.

I present the transcripts and the audio as evidence he did just this, as well as his past track record with making inflammatory statements for the sake of making them.

Summary: Rush Limbaugh has called the MoveOn.org "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" advertisement "contemptible" and "indecent," but months earlier, on his radio show, he told his audience that he had a new name for Senator Chuck Hagel: "Senator Betrayus." Though Limbaugh has taken exception to accusations that he has attacked the patriotism of his political opponents, the "Senator Betrayus" remark is one of several instances in which Limbaugh has done so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjW5-KywT4

Wow. Apparently, even retired Generals aren’t off-limits for the Fat Bastion of Hate, Rush Limbaugh! Man. Are there any soldiers that Rush Limbaugh likes? Is it only the ones who love him, adore him, and love George Bush’s failed illegal occupation of a sovereign nation in a country that did not attack us on 9/11 and who did not have an Army, Navy, or Air Force to defend itself from us? I think it is.

Poor Fat Bastion of Hate. He doesn’t like the fact that a 4-star General, Wesley Clark, is asking for Armed Forces Radio to take his fat ass off the air in Iraq, so our soldiers won’t have to hear the garbage, lies, deceits, and the other hateful crap that comes out of his mouth 5 days a week (sometimes 3 days because he’s doing drugs and is hungover? Could be. Who knows with this “recovering” drug addict!). So, what does the Fat Bastion say in response to this on his show today? He calls General Clark an ‘ignoramus moron’. Wow!

If you are a soldier and you speak out against Ass Limbo, you get called a ’suicide bomber’ too. If you speak out against George Bush’s illegal occupation and you join a liberal group to speak truth to power, you’re considered a ‘phony soldier’.

Is there an end to Limbo’s criticism of our soldiers…past and present? Doesn’t appear to be!

I don’t have the audio, because I refuse to join his Hate Site to obtain it. He called Wesley Clark an ‘ignoramus moron’ and if I’m not mistaken, he said this in 2nd hour of his program today on Thursday, October 4, 2007.

This is the evidence before you my fine gentleman and ladies. Wear a cup!

Does this guy ever quit?

Rush Smears 12-Yr Old: ‘They Filled His Head With Lies Just As They Have Some Of These Soldiers’
Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted the right wing has been orchestrating a coordinated effort to smear a 12 year old recipient of SCHIP. These conservatives have been propagating baseless “facts” to suggest that young Graeme Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government.

Rush Limbaugh has joined in the smear campaign. On his radio show yesterday, Rush introduced his hit job on Graeme by saying, “I had some rudimentary information on this two weeks ago, and it wasn’t enough for me to trust going with. But since then, it has been verified, and most of it’s been verified by a ‘Freeper’ at Free Republic.” Apparently, a posting by a “freeper” is all Rush needs for confirmation.

Rush proceeded to recycle the myths that Graeme and his sister must be fat-cat recipients of government welfare because they attend “one of Baltimore’s expensive private schools” and own a house in a decent neighborhood. As we noted yesterday, Graeme has a scholarship to the private school. His sister’s tuition is covered by the state due to her brain injuries, and the house was purchased for $55,000 in 1991 when the neighborhood was not as safe as it is today.

Limbaugh then tried to draw a parallel between Graeme and his “phony soldiers” remark:

So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters (such as the Frosts) be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target. That’s where I and my buddies in talk radio come in. We are a thorn in their side because we represent the truth they are trying to hide, the truth that they are lying about, and they have to do something about it — and they have to do that by lying. […]

They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12-years-old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.

Listen to it:


The real “bottom line” is: Rush propagates baseless information from a “freeper” to attack a 12-year old, fails to determine the facts for himself, and then accuses others of not being able to “rely on truth to make their case.”

When right-wingers attack soldiers who disagree with them on Iraq or kids who disagree with them on health care, that is indeed where Rush and his “hate radio” buddies “come in.” The right-wing attack machine personally assaults anyone for daring to disagree.