NationStates Jolt Archive

After another shouting match at the television, watching bits of my spit fly and hit talking government heads, I sat down disillusioned again. There is an election here in Australia due to be held in the next few months, and while the opposition has had a large lead over the government for many months, the cold-hearted conservative, mud-slinging pieces of shit in our current government will stoop to anything to win, and may well do so.

I've been thinking, just as a fun hypothetical of course, would it be possible to stage a coup in a developed, democratic country such as Australia- and be successful? I don't see how it could be without majority support from the military, and I wouldn't see that happen.

But what do you think?

Has is ever happened before?

All the time. They're called lobby groups.

i don't think it could happen in Australia...i am from Australia My self....it COULD not happen here as our army is out of the Country fihting for George W Gump...so No...it ant possible.:sniper:

After another shouting match at the television, watching bits of my spit fly and hit talking government heads, I sat down disillusioned again. There is an election here in Australia due to be held in the next few months, and while the opposition has had a large lead over the government for many months, the cold-hearted conservative, mud-slinging pieces of shit in our current government will stoop to anything to win, and may well do so.

I've been thinking, just as a fun hypothetical of course, would it be possible to stage a coup in a developed, democratic country such as Australia- and be successful? I don't see how it could be without majority support from the military, and I wouldn't see that happen.

But what do you think?

Has is ever happened before?

I'm an Australian and a proud member of the Liberal Party, before you start calling people "mud-slinging pieces of shit" I suggest you look at the party(ALP) you support.

i don't think it could happen in Australia...i am from Australia My self....it COULD not happen here as our army is out of the Country fihting for George W Gump...so No...it ant possible.:sniper:

See, this is why I'm considering leaving instead of going through the difficult process of re-education... Much of which, apparently, will include basic English education.

I'm an Australian and a proud member of the Liberal Party, before you start calling people "mud-slinging pieces of shit" I suggest you look at the party(ALP) you support.
To be fair, mud-slinging is pretty much the only thing the liberals have still going for themselves.

That being said, that comment today by Rudd about how he wants "terrorists" to "rot for the rest of their lives" is just as bad. Pure lowest common denominator...I have a feeling this election will once again be fought about the bogan vote.

Which, by the way, brings us neatly to the topic at hand. You'd target the bogans, the unemployed, the white and otherwise coloured trash. Tell them other people are to blame for their failings and they'll flock to you.

That being said, that comment today by Rudd about how he wants "terrorists" to "rot for the rest of their lives" is just as bad. Pure lowest common denominator...I have a feeling this election will once again be fought about the bogan vote.

That was his only option. Costello, Downer and Howard all came out today to specifically try and make Rudd sound weak on terrorism where they had no right to. What makes me even sicker about the whole situation is that the ALP's immigration minister's speech last night is one of the few things that I'm actually happy about, but instead of being seen as the righteous thing it should be, instead we get blood-thirsty assholes using it for political gain. Downer, somehow, again twisted this into another question "about Mr Rudd's credibility". I think he's said that line about 100 different times this year about 10 different events and he is yet to have a point (or score points).

I'm an Australian and a proud member of the Liberal Party, before you start calling people "mud-slinging pieces of shit" I suggest you look at the party(ALP) you support.

Would you like to draw up a tally board for mud-slinging since Rudd took leadership of the ALP? I really don't think you do. Especially the glee that people like Abbott, Costello and Downer take in it.

Hypothetically in an imaginary country like Australia it would be very hard to stage a coup without the UN or other countries stepping in unless it was engaging in something like ethnic cleansing.

Start your own party. If the name tells people you hate all foreigners, love Vegemite, beer and AC/DC, you can't lose. Especially if you go for the flannel and stubbies look instead of the more traditional suit and tie. It's time we had political leadership with the same interests as the common Australians

But stay away from the Ford vs Holden debate! It'll only bring you trouble!

...yeah. Australia as a whole is a little bit retarded. But there's nowhere i'd rather live.

The only way I could see a coup d'etat in a developed country like Australia succeed would be if you had the support of the armed forces and the United States, specifically the CIA. Thier specialty is deposing un-cooperative democratically elected governments in favour of sycophantic dictators, after all.

As far as the UN is concerned, a coup d'etat is generally regarded as a state's internal affair, however the General Assembly always tends to call for a swift return to democracy.

Hypothetically in an imaginary country like Australia it would be very hard to stage a coup without the UN or other countries stepping in unless it was engaging in something like ethnic cleansing.

Do you mean "with the", as in they'd only step in if there was ethnic cleansing going on? They don't usually violate other country's sovereignty when there is a coup. But then again the coups are usually in developing countries so it isn't as prominent on anyone's agenda.

The only way I could see a coup d'etat in a developed country like Australia succeed would be if you had the support of the armed forces and the United States, specifically the CIA. Thier specialty is deposing un-cooperative democratically elected governments in favour of sycophantic dictators, after all.

Yeah, but I don't really see an Australian government uncooperative with the US in the works any time soon.

Yeah, but I don't really see an Australian government uncooperative with the US in the works any time soon.

Yeah well we're not talking about a coup in Australia specifically. Australia is just an example of a developed nation we're using. We're discussing how to go about a coup d'etat in a developed country.

That's a fairly simple process, honestly.

1. Neuter foreign intelligence. (Particularly the USA)
2. Develop convincing ways of spinning the issue to the U.N.
3. Get massive military support.
4. ???????
5. COUP!

There is a very easy way to deal a terminal blow to any centralized national government, even in a developed nation and all it requires are some springs and a little plutonium. But I'm not going to tell you how to put it all together because you're a filthy hippie commie jackle. :p

After another shouting match at the television, watching bits of my spit fly and hit talking government heads, I sat down disillusioned again. There is an election here in Australia due to be held in the next few months, and while the opposition has had a large lead over the government for many months, the cold-hearted conservative, mud-slinging pieces of shit in our current government will stoop to anything to win, and may well do so.

I've been thinking, just as a fun hypothetical of course, would it be possible to stage a coup in a developed, democratic country such as Australia- and be successful? I don't see how it could be without majority support from the military, and I wouldn't see that happen.

But what do you think?

Has is ever happened before?

You live in Australia. Why even bother having a coup? Just do what this guy (http://www.huttriver.net/) did.

It's not easy to have a coup in a nation with a stable government, unless you have lots of cash. Either that, or you better be one good speaker, you have to captivate people, make them love you, but respect you. You have to unite your nation against a common foe, though the foe itself isn't relevant. It's all about keeping people under control.

Of course, having a coup in a nation with a less powerful government would be a lot easier and with some decent skills (like being able to avoid assasination and being a good liar and speaker) you might have a chance of success that's not represented with scientific notation.

Would you like to draw up a tally board for mud-slinging since Rudd took leadership of the ALP? I really don't think you do. Especially the glee that people like Abbott, Costello and Downer take in it.

I think you confuse legitimate politiking with mud-slinging.

How long have the ALP attacked John Howard for his age, do you recall the time when they mocked him in the house for having a hearing impairment?

There's playing the game, then there's playing the man. Yes the line is finely trodden at times by both sides but the ALP, especially the left faction/s are especially bad.

I think you confuse legitimate politiking with mud-slinging.

How long have the ALP attacked John Howard for his age, do you recall the time when they mocked him in the house for having a hearing impairment?

There's playing the game, then there's playing the man. Yes the line is finely trodden at times by both sides but the ALP, especially the left faction/s are especially bad.

Legitimate? *howls with laughter*
The stripper "story" had been going around the Press Gallery for six months and nobody had reported on it because it doesn't constitute news. The Coalition wanted it out so they tacked on a made-up story about him getting kicked out for inappropriate behaviour to Glenn Milne (who else?) in order to justify it as publishable material. How is that legitimate in any form? Not to mention how the Coalition tried to manipulate it yet again to make it look and sound like a problem when it clearly wasn't. Same thing happened with the Burke affair where Costello and Downer drone on about "credibility" when they aren't actually referring to any incident that has any relevance at all. But they hope by continually ramming home this baseless garbage that people will start accepting it, though it doesn't look like they have yet.

And no I don't recall the hearing aide incident you refer to. I assume, therefore, it either happened more than three years ago or the ALP didn't try to use it at all like the Coalition do and send their soldiers on Lateline and all the other shows asking "well if John Howard hasn't seen fit to tell us about the hearing problem, what else isn't he telling us? This all goes back to his credibility..." etc.

Not that I condone any sort of behaviour like criticising someone for using a hearing aide. Both major parties are in the shitter as far as I'm concerned, but while Labor just wallow around in it, the Coalition throw it.

I think you'd have to have a very dissatisfied population before you could stage a successful coup in a developed nation.

10 steps to a succesful coup:
step 1 build grassroot support and charity organizations to spread influence
step 2 start your own political party centered around a powerful economy and fair wages
step 3 have as many soliders join your cause as possible
step 4 have the support of the US or china
step 5 have riots every day about the current goverments faults, and add more
step 6 have popular support first for a coup
step 7 take all important territories and imprison all enemies
step 8 start a new goverment
step 9 defeat loyalist forces
step 10 enforce on your promises