NationStates Jolt Archive


Not giving a toss about whether a particular sexuality is a choice is a choice

Multiland
07-10-2007, 14:48
So how about everyone chooses not to give a toss? :)
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 14:52
But see, if people believe that I've chosen to be asexual, they call it "repression". I haven't chosen it, it's just how I am. Maybe if more people accepted my orientation at all in the first place, instead of assuming that all people must have sexual desires or we're somehow not human...because I've encountered that sort of attitude before and it's really alienating.
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 15:18
Actually, I am going to give a fucking toss. Do you not understand how painstakingly hard the gay rights movement has been working to make the fucking homophobes understand that they're sexuality is legitimate, not some degenerate perverted choice like they think.

Although your right in a sense, even if it is a choice, people should still have the fucking right to stick their dicks in other peoples poo holes.
Intangelon
07-10-2007, 15:21
So how about everyone chooses not to give a toss? :)
WARNING: The following is a Class One set-up. Please choose your punchline carefully.



What if they gave a toss and nobody came?
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 15:23
WARNING: The following is a Class One set-up. Please choose your punchline carefully.



What if they gave a toss and nobody came?

OK, that wasn't too bad, i'll let you off.
Intangelon
07-10-2007, 15:26
OK, that wasn't too bad, i'll let you off.

Oh -- well...thank you very much! I'm getting all feverish and excited at the mere PROspect of some hot, steamy...oh, wait.

You said let me off.

Sorry.
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 15:33
Oh -- well...thank you very much! I'm getting all feverish and excited at the mere PROspect of some hot, steamy...oh, wait.

You said let me off.

Sorry.

Damn, you're on fire today!

Ha! I challenge you to find any innuendo in that statement!
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 15:34
But see, if people believe that I've chosen to be asexual, they call it "repression". I haven't chosen it, it's just how I am. Maybe if more people accepted my orientation at all in the first place, instead of assuming that all people must have sexual desires or we're somehow not human...because I've encountered that sort of attitude before and it's really alienating.

I'll be honest, Chandy...the idea of someone not having any sexual desires whatsoever is extremely confusing to those of us with sexual desires, because we've had these desires our entire lives in one form or another. Hell, a large number of the decisions we make daily are influenced by those desires.

Of course I know you're telling the truth and I am all for you being treated equally. I just want you to understand why we can find it so confusing, that's all.
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 15:42
I'll be honest, Chandy...the idea of someone not having any sexual desires whatsoever is extremely confusing to those of us with sexual desires, because we've had these desires our entire lives in one form or another. Hell, a large number of the decisions we make daily are influenced by those desires.

Of course I know you're telling the truth and I am all for you being treated equally. I just want you to understand why we can find it so confusing, that's all.

It makes sense to not be able to understand it or to be confused by it. I was confused to find out that most people have some sort of feeling that I'll never feel or be able to understand, and like you said, it influences a lot of most peoples' decisions. So of course it would be confusing to both sexuals and asexuals. It's just when people take that confusion and to resolve it use explanations like, "Oh, they're broken" or "Oh, they're repressed", or "Oh, they must be lying" because they can't accept that something that doesn't fit in with their view of people that it annoys me.

Confusion is fine. That's why we have to talk about it, not just deny that the other side exists, because asexuals can't really understand what sexuals are feeling, and vice versa.
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 15:46
It makes sense to not be able to understand it or to be confused by it. I was confused to find out that most people have some sort of feeling that I'll never feel or be able to understand, and like you said, it influences a lot of most peoples' decisions. So of course it would be confusing to both sexuals and asexuals. It's just when people take that confusion and to resolve it use explanations like, "Oh, they're broken" or "Oh, they're repressed", or "Oh, they must be lying" because they can't accept that something that doesn't fit in with their view of people that it annoys me.

Confusion is fine. That's why we have to talk about it, not just deny that the other side exists, because asexuals can't really understand what sexuals are feeling, and vice versa.
Exactly! Working together is what we should do. Confusion can be settled through education and proper cooperation.
Intangelon
07-10-2007, 15:53
Damn, you're on fire today!

Ha! I challenge you to find any innuendo in that statement!

Nah, you got me there. The Boss (http://www.brucespringsteen.net/songs/ImOnFire.html), however....
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 15:53
Exactly! Working together is what we should do. Confusion can be settled through education and proper cooperation.

Lol, sorry to be a bastard, but do you realise how cheesy that sounds? :D
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 15:55
Lol, sorry to be a bastard, but do you realise how cheesy that sounds? :D

It's good cheese, and even if so, that's irrelevant. It was well meant and it's the truth.
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 16:00
No no no. What I was saying is that it shouldn't matter whether sexuality is a choice or not, people should be accepted for who they are without the need for gay rights campaigners

Yeah ok, I've just recovered from a hangover and am really angry at the moment for some reason, sorry if I sounded too harsh.
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 16:00
Exactly! Working together is what we should do. Confusion can be settled through education and proper cooperation.

Yes. :)

It's good cheese, and even if so, that's irrelevant. It was well meant and it's the truth.

Agreed :)
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 16:00
Although your right in a sense, even if it is a choice, people should still have the fucking right to stick their dicks in other peoples poo holes.
Gee. You sure know how to make things sound romantic. :rolleyes:
Multiland
07-10-2007, 16:02
Actually, I am going to give a fucking toss. Do you not understand how painstakingly hard the gay rights movement has been working to make the fucking homophobes understand that they're sexuality is legitimate, not some degenerate perverted choice like they think.

Although your right in a sense, even if it is a choice, people should still have the fucking right to stick their dicks in other peoples poo holes.

No no no. What I was saying is that it shouldn't matter whether sexuality is a choice or not, people should be accepted for who they are without the need for gay rights campaigners
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 16:04
It makes sense to not be able to understand it or to be confused by it. I was confused to find out that most people have some sort of feeling that I'll never feel or be able to understand, and like you said, it influences a lot of most peoples' decisions. So of course it would be confusing to both sexuals and asexuals. It's just when people take that confusion and to resolve it use explanations like, "Oh, they're broken" or "Oh, they're repressed", or "Oh, they must be lying" because they can't accept that something that doesn't fit in with their view of people that it annoys me.

Confusion is fine. That's why we have to talk about it, not just deny that the other side exists, because asexuals can't really understand what sexuals are feeling, and vice versa.
Personally, it's a bit like the "chocolate factor". Allow me to explain.

I love chocolate, with a vengeance. Now I know some people don't love chocolate, and that baffles me, and I can't help but wonder if they really know what they're missing out by not eating chocolate.

That's the kind of disbelief I think you face. People just can't believe someone could not like something as utterly delicious and lovable as chocolate.

Except that I, being enlightened and accepting of difference, just figure out anyone who doesn't love chocolate is leaving more chocolate for me to eat. :D
Hydesland
07-10-2007, 16:21
Gee. You sure know how to make things sound romantic. :rolleyes:

Hey, what can I say? I'm a realist.
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 16:24
Gee. You sure know how to make things sound romantic. :rolleyes:
How would you phrase it, then? I don't think I've ever actually heard a romantic way of talking about anal sex. (Not that I don't think it's possible, because I do, and I am honestly curious.)
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 16:27
Personally, it's a bit like the "chocolate factor". Allow me to explain.

I love chocolate, with a vengeance. Now I know some people don't love chocolate, and that baffles me, and I can't help but wonder if they really know what they're missing out by not eating chocolate.

That's the kind of disbelief I think you face. People just can't believe someone could not like something as utterly delicious and lovable as chocolate.

Except that I, being enlightened and accepting of difference, just figure out anyone who doesn't love chocolate is leaving more chocolate for me to eat. :D

It is kind of like that, except add in the fact that it's something that is considered extremely important by the majority of people.
Intangelon
07-10-2007, 16:29
It's good cheese, and even if so, that's irrelevant. It was well meant and it's the truth.

The Smoked Gouda Asexuality Convocation!

Or, if you prefer acronyms:

Consensus Has Elected to Demand we Deem Asexuality Reasonable
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 16:29
How would you phrase it, then? I don't think I've ever actually heard a romantic way of talking about anal sex. (Not that I don't think it's possible, because I do, and I am honestly curious.)

Something along the lines of:

"If someone wants to show their love for their partner, they can do so in any way both consider appropriate and satisfying, no matter the form this show of love takes".

It has the added benefit of being inclusive of anything that might be considered "improper" by the "holier-than-thou"s. Like S&M, oral sex, anal sex, fetishes, and what-have-you.
Intangelon
07-10-2007, 16:30
It is kind of like that, except add in the fact that it's something that is considered extremely important by the majority of people.

TOO important in too many ways, if you ask me.
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 16:30
It is kind of like that, except add in the fact that it's something that is considered extremely important by the majority of people.

Are you implying chocolate is not considered extremely important by the majority of people? :eek:
Hamilay
07-10-2007, 16:33
Something along the lines of:

"If someone wants to show their love for their partner, they can do so in any way both consider appropriate and satisfying, no matter the form this show of love takes".

It has the added benefit of being inclusive of anything that might be considered "improper" by the "holier-than-thou"s. Like S&M, oral sex, anal sex, fetishes, and what-have-you.

Just to be a nuisance here, what about that guy who was looking for people to kill him for sexual arousal for himself and his partner and got his wish?

Yeah, vague, but I saw an article about it somewhere. Maybe I'll try and find it,
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 16:36
Something along the lines of:

"If someone wants to show their love for their partner, they can do so in any way both consider appropriate and satisfying, no matter the form this show of love takes".

It has the added benefit of being inclusive of anything that might be considered "improper" by the "holier-than-thou"s. Like S&M, oral sex, anal sex, fetishes, and what-have-you.

That works! Thank you.
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 16:36
Are you implying chocolate is not considered extremely important by the majority of people? :eek:

Well... I haven't heard about anyone being executed for preferring one type of chocolate over another...

TOO important in too many ways, if you ask me.

Yes.
Kyronea
07-10-2007, 16:37
The Smoked Gouda Asexuality Convocation!

Or, if you prefer acronyms:

Consensus Has Elected to Demand we Deem Asexuality Reasonable

Heee...
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 17:04
The Smoked Gouda Asexuality Convocation!

Or, if you prefer acronyms:

Consensus Has Elected to Demand we Deem Asexuality Reasonable

Nice. :)
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 17:07
Well... I haven't heard about anyone being executed for preferring one type of chocolate over another...

You obviously don't live in the nation of Skaladora :p
Chandelier
07-10-2007, 17:12
You obviously don't live in the nation of Skaladora :p

Obviously not. :p
Cameroi
07-10-2007, 17:22
So how about everyone chooses not to give a toss? :)

i choose "not to give a toss"! to me there is only one issue involved and that is a dominant self ritiousness harrassing an innocent and harmless minority. and to me, that kind of self ritiousness, is far more sinful/evil, then any so called "unnatural act" (which there isn't anything unnatural about at all, just not the most common sort of sexual gratifiction among non-human spieces, but certain not unheard of nor unobserved. if anything is "unnatural", it is monogamous merrage among primate speceis, including humans. reguardless of the sexuality involved).

and this don't have a damd thing to do with believing or not believing in something big, friendly and nontangable either.

=^^=
.../\...
Lunatic Goofballs
07-10-2007, 18:00
It doesn't matter if it's a choice. *nod*
Silliopolous
07-10-2007, 18:19
To be honest, it never ceases to astound me that some people are willing to take time away from thinking about their own orgasms to worry about the orgasms of perfect strangers.

I suppose there might be a jealousy issue in some cases, assuming a lack of personal orgasms coupled with a strong desire for them, but really - that problems would still be best solved by worrying about your own.

It's not even a matter for me about caring how other people pleasure themselves, it's that the issue never crosses my mind unless someone else feels the need to expound upon their preference - in which case I nod politely and fail completely to give a damn.
Cameroi
07-10-2007, 18:27
To be honest, it never ceases to astound me that some people are willing to take time away from thinking about their own orgasms to worry about the orgasms of perfect strangers.

I suppose there might be a jealousy issue in some cases, assuming a lack of personal orgasms coupled with a strong desire for them, but really - that problems would still be best solved by worrying about your own.

It's not even a matter for me about caring how other people pleasure themselves, it's that the issue never crosses my mind unless someone else feels the need to expound upon their preference - in which case I nod politely and fail completely to give a damn.

i think you hit it precisely. whatever the pretentions of dominant pseudo-religious self-ritiousness to the contrary.

=^^=
.../\...
Skaladora
07-10-2007, 18:40
So you're telling me the best way to solve our problems is to have people like Fred Phelps laid?

Talk about an impossible task :headbang:
Bolol
07-10-2007, 19:01
Actually, I am going to give a fucking toss. Do you not understand how painstakingly hard the gay rights movement has been working to make the fucking homophobes understand that they're sexuality is legitimate, not some degenerate perverted choice like they think.

Although your right in a sense, even if it is a choice, people should still have the fucking right to stick their dicks in other peoples poo holes.

That's pretty much where I'm coming from. In MY mind, it really shouldn't matter if it is a choice or not, so long as no harm is done.

But I do think it's an actual sexuality, not a choice, and certainly NOT a mental disorder as I have heard many say (They removed it from the DSM decades ago you dumb bastahds, TOO late in my opinion).