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Now, I realize some people will use the expression "anti-American" (and its correlates) like a businessman in the seedier parts of Vegas uses a "love professional". Yet, what exactly DO they mean? They used that term a lot more, of course, back when people were still duped into being pro-war. Is it "you don't agree with me on issue du jour ergo you hate America"? Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"? Okay, I can see how DUMB people would make this kind of definition theirs, but, in general, I have to ask, what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

Now, I realize some people will use the expression "anti-American" (and its correlates) like a businessman in the seedier parts of Vegas uses a "love professional". Yet, what exactly DO they mean? They used that term a lot more, of course, back when people were still duped into being pro-war. Is it "you don't agree with me on issue du jour ergo you hate America"? Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"? Okay, I can see how DUMB people would make this kind of definition theirs, but, in general, I have to ask, what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

I'm anti American, just the shape of the country makes me sick. The differing climates and geological habitats, no urrgghh, I like Enlgand much better the landscape is nicer, no deserts for us thank you very much!

The AntiAmericans are a secret group of liberal godless feminazi commie baby-eating islamofacists, out to destroy Freedom(TM) and Democracy(TM). We....I mean they also want to completely oppress women, AND give women more rights than men.

I'm anti American, just the shape of the country makes me sick. The differing climates and geological habitats, no urrgghh, I like Enlgand much better the landscape is nicer, no deserts for us thank you very much!

Could you teach me the secret handshake?

The AntiAmericans are a secret group of liberal godless feminazi commie baby-eating islamofacists, out to destroy Freedom(TM) and Democracy(TM). We....I mean they also want to completely oppress women, AND give women more rights than men.

No... Anti-American is a group of liberal tree-hugging godless commies out to destroy American values, undermine the American nuclear family, corrupt the children by infecting them with homosexuality and taking away religion because they fear Christians.

I have to ask, what IS anti-American?
Some people simply can't accept that it's possible to disagree with something in American politics, or disagree with some American system, without being some kind of frothing-at-the-mouth knee-jerk US-hater.

I know it's been going on for a long time and it's always been easy, since America makes a nice big target, but in its current incarnation it probably stems from a backlash to all the "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric that we (the other 95.4% of the world's population) have had to put up with over the last few years.

I find it amusing and slightly frightening at the same time.

I mean they also want to completely oppress women, AND give women more rights than men.

Aww, what a cute paradox! What's its name?

*Pets it*

Here, fetch that stick that isn't there! :D

I find it amusing and slightly frightening at the same time.

I find it only frightening.

I find it only frightening.
The fright that I experience from it is just the residue of the shock, born of naiveté, that I experienced as a wide-eyed teen, when I realised that the world was full of stupid people, whose blinkered views and small-world outlook really didn't have anything to contribute to what is -- whether we like it or not -- a nascent global society.

The amusement is the bit that keeps me sane.

The fright that I experience from it is just the residue of the shock, born of naiveté, that I experienced as a wide-eyed teen, when I realised that the world was full of stupid people, whose blinkered views and small-world outlook really didn't have anything to contribute to what is -- whether we like it or not -- a nascent global society.

The amusement is the bit that keeps me sane.

What frightens me is that these people can vote, do vote and shape some politics.

What frightens me is that these people can vote, do vote and shape some politics.
Indeed.

It's this that always leads me -- whenever my thoughts turn to it -- to believe that some kind of meritocracy is the way to go... but then something else kicks in (common sense?) and I recognise that meritocracies come with their own set of problems, none of which I have an answer for. It's the curse of being one of life's analysts.. able to identify the problems but rarely able to posit sound solutions :(

Indeed.

It's this that always leads me -- whenever my thoughts turn to it -- to believe that some kind of meritocracy is the way to go... but then something else kicks in (common sense?) and I recognise that meritocracies come with their own set of problems, none of which I have an answer for. It's the curse of being one of life's analysts.. able to identify the problems but rarely able to posit sound solutions :(

Maybe mandatory IQ tests and the vote becomes as valuable, relatively, as the IQ number?

Could you teach me the secret handshake?

There is no handshake, it's more of a hoick-and-spit thing.:D

There is no handshake, it's more of a hoick-and-spit thing.:D

Ewww!

I don't wanna do THAT! Gross!

Ah well.

*Becomes a flag-waving, Bush-should-be-a-dictator, neocon moron.*

Maybe mandatory IQ tests and the vote becomes as valuable, relatively, as the IQ number?

Soo all of those good at passing tests get more power? Noooooo

Maybe mandatory IQ tests and the vote becomes as valuable, relatively, as the IQ number?

But who would administer the test? And how do you stop cheating when contestants are industry funded puppets with multi billion dollar wallets?

Now, I realize some people will use the expression "anti-American" (and its correlates) like a businessman in the seedier parts of Vegas uses a "love professional". Yet, what exactly DO they mean? They used that term a lot more, of course, back when people were still duped into being pro-war. Is it "you don't agree with me on issue du jour ergo you hate America"? Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"? Okay, I can see how DUMB people would make this kind of definition theirs, but, in general, I have to ask, what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

Typically it seems to be used in the context of "You don't agree with [Government Actions/War]"...

Just like people who keep rallying to bring the troops home, rallying for them to get their proper benefits when injured, but oppose the war and troop surges get the epithet "You don't support the troops" thrown at them.

I've had anti-american, you don't support troops crap thrown at me, but being a veteran myself, I always have the pleasure of informing them that I will always have more medals pinned to my chest then they will get arm-chair jockeying this excuse for a war/administration.

Maybe mandatory IQ tests and the vote becomes as valuable, relatively, as the IQ number?
I've always considered that such a sliding scale would lead to a group of high-IQ ringleaders recruiting a mass of low-IQ followers and whipping them up into an ideological frenzy to follow whatever they (the leaders) want, thus forming powerful voting blocks (sound like any other political systems we know?).

Seriously though, I just can't get myself behind any current 'measure' of intelligence. I don't trust IQ scores, at all. I have no idea how 'intelligence' should be measured... I know 'stupid' when I see it, but there seems to me to be something fundamentally unquantifiable about intelligence and, as I noted above, I've never even come close to something that I find acceptable as an answer.

Apologies, by the way, for derailing the thread but since it's your thread it should be OK :)

The AntiAmericans are a secret group of liberal godless feminazi commie baby-eating islamofacists, out to destroy Freedom(TM) and Democracy(TM). We....I mean they also want to completely oppress women, AND give women more rights than men.

So Thats who's been stealing and eating my babies... :( I want them back....

I'm sorry, I'm really tired.

Apologies, by the way, for derailing the thread but since it's your thread it should be OK :)

You are forgiven, my son... In nomine patri et fili et spirictu sancti...

Americans understand that nature must be respected. Anti-americans want to bulldoze it to raise oil profits.

Americans understand that you can't fit everyone into the same description. Anti-americans describe those who aren't themselves as "tree-hugging goddless commies".

Americans understand that being homosexual is as genetic as the color of your skin. Anti-americans hold onto the medieval myth that it's a choice.

Americans understand that there are huge, gaping flaws in every human religion. Anti-americans think that everyone who isn't a hardline christian is a tool of satan.

Americans understand that nature must be respected. Anti-americans want to bulldoze it to raise oil profits.

Americans understand that you can't fit everyone into the same description. Anti-americans describe those who aren't themselves as "tree-hugging goddless commies".

Americans understand that being homosexual is as genetic as the color of your skin. Anti-americans hold onto the medieval myth that it's a choice.

Americans understand that there are huge, gaping flaws in every human religion. Anti-americans think that everyone who isn't a hardline christian is a tool of satan.

Are you female by any chance?

If so, marry me? Not only it's a great post, yours is a cute sig. :D

I have to ask, what IS anti-American?
Hullo! *waves*

This is odd, because it seems to me that the people you call anti-American are the ones who throw the term around the most.

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Americans understand that nature must be respected. Anti-americans want to bulldoze it to raise oil profits.

Americans understand that you can't fit everyone into the same description. Anti-americans describe those who aren't themselves as "tree-hugging goddless commies".

Americans understand that being homosexual is as genetic as the color of your skin. Anti-americans hold onto the medieval myth that it's a choice.

Americans understand that there are huge, gaping flaws in every human religion. Anti-americans think that everyone who isn't a hardline christian is a tool of satan.

This is odd, because it seems to me that the people you call anti-American are the ones who throw the term around the most.

Americans understand that nature must be respected. Anti-americans want to bulldoze it to raise oil profits.

Americans understand that you can't fit everyone into the same description. Anti-americans describe those who aren't themselves as "tree-hugging goddless commies".

Americans understand that being homosexual is as genetic as the color of your skin. Anti-americans hold onto the medieval myth that it's a choice.

Americans understand that there are huge, gaping flaws in every human religion. Anti-americans think that everyone who isn't a hardline christian is a tool of satan.


Bwhahaahahahah shit! That's good thanks for the laugh!:D

Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"?

Yes. For more, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Unamerica and http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Anti-American

Americans understand that being homosexual is as genetic as the color of your skin. Anti-americans hold onto the medieval myth that it's a choice.

Entertaining ironic post, but even though it is in danger of derailing the thread, I find this part worrying. If you ascribe sexuality as being purely genetic, it opens up a whole can of worms.

I think that someone may have a higher chance of having a particular sexuality due to genes, but the way they are raised is significant. I can't imagine anyone "choosing" to be gay, due to the complications in life it brings. Potential social isolation, no children, potentially cut off from your family, etc. It can't be purely genetic either. I don't think anyone is born gay, but events in their upbringing, combined with some genes may make them gay.

If you say it is genes, and nothing else, does that mean alcoholics, drug addicts, annoying trolls, smart people, dumb people, etc are that way purely due to genes? You can't take the "gay gene" question purely in isolation. Either mental attributes are purely genetic or they are not, gayness can't get it's own special box.

Entertaining ironic post, but even though it is in danger of derailing the thread, I find this part worrying. If you ascribe sexuality as being purely genetic, it opens up a whole can of worms.

I think that someone may have a higher chance of having a particular sexuality due to genes, but the way they are raised is significant. I can't imagine anyone "choosing" to be gay, due to the complications in life it brings. Potential social isolation, no children, potentially cut off from your family, etc. It can't be purely genetic either. I don't think anyone is born gay, but events in their upbringing, combined with some genes may make them gay.

If you say it is genes, and nothing else, does that mean alcoholics, drug addicts, annoying trolls, smart people, dumb people, etc are that way purely due to genes? You can't take the "gay gene" question purely in isolation. Either mental attributes are purely genetic or they are not, gayness can't get it's own special box.

I tend to agree with it being a combination of nature(genetics) and nurture(enviroment)... Though it gets me much derision from others. To me it matters little if it is hard-wired or not, as long as it's a consensual activity between adults there should be no laws in penalty of it.

what IS anti-American?
It's simple physics: Anti-American plus pro-American equals substantial release of energy as they cancel each other out

Let us be serious on this matter at hand. The United States government has given us the freedom to express how we feel, including issues concerning the government. Just because we may not see eye-to-eye with the government, shouldn't make us obtain the label or status of an "Anti-American". I will use myself as an example. First of all, I believe in socialism. Second, I believe that Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, G.W.F. Hegel, just to name a few, were great people. Third, I believe that capitalism has more issues above any other economic structure. So in saying that, I feel I shouldn't be stigmatized because I (can't stress this enough) believe in something that the vast majority of society (i.e. The United States of America) doesn't believe in.

Plus, it is how and/or what a person says. This is what I say as an example and as a belief: "I am not for capitalism for numerous reasons: class system struggles, inequality, greed, etc.". But notice that I have pointed out the, so-called, "errors" of capitalism,(Once again, my belief) yet I still didn't speak out on my country. Why? Because, personally, me living in America is like a rocky mother-child relationship: You may hate how "she" operates and the rules "she" sets for you, but you must have love for your "mother" despite the bitterness you may possess. Even though there are flaws in our nation that we can do without, I never believed in hating this country.

So here is my point: To hate the methods of your country is reasonable, comprehensive, and makes you human. But to hate you're country, however, is down-right treacherous, absurd and makes you, in my book: Anti-American. That is what, I believe, the definition of an Anti-American. I am only speaking for me and anyone else that may believe this. I am not saying this is the right answer...this is just my belief. I am finished with the topic, but the next paragraph is an answer to a question some people may ask me. This may enlightened you.

Some may people ask me why I put so much emphasis on the word "believe" or "belief". Why? Because most people like to get so bent out-of-shape and take such great offense on what people believe in. If someone believes in Islam, let that be their belief in their religion. If someone is gay, lesbian or bisexual, let that be their belief in their sexual preference. Don't give people flak on their beliefs, because that is how the issues escalate and controversy comes into full bloom. So in closing, what all of us Americans (and the rest of world) need to do is to stop becoming defensive when other people's views comes knocking at our door. You may have your differences, but don't let your differences be the reason why you have such malice for them. Accept them for who they are.

So in believing and performing these actions, it will have us all achieve an equal basis with each other. That will truly make them and us reach our true potential. That is, dear comrades...is human.

Now, I realize some people will use the expression "anti-American" (and its correlates) like a businessman in the seedier parts of Vegas uses a "love professional". Yet, what exactly DO they mean? They used that term a lot more, of course, back when people were still duped into being pro-war. Is it "you don't agree with me on issue du jour ergo you hate America"? Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"? Okay, I can see how DUMB people would make this kind of definition theirs, but, in general, I have to ask, what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

A prime example of an anti-American is Bush. Ya get it?

Let's do basic reading comprehension:

Anti- meaning against or hate in this context

American meaning Americans.

You hate Americans. Easy enough to understand. People who continuously post derogatory comments about US Americans constitutes as Anti-American.

Let's do basic reading comprehension:

Anti- meaning against or hate in this context

American meaning Americans.

You hate Americans. Easy enough to understand. People who continuously post derogatory comments about US Americans constitutes as Anti-American.

Anti-Americanism (and, to a lesser extent, anti-semitism) is one of the few types of bigotry that is still acceptable to the left, it seems.

Let us be serious on this matter at hand. The United States government has given us the freedom to express how we feel, including issues concerning the government. Just because we may not see eye-to-eye with the government, shouldn't make us obtain the label or status of an "Anti-American". (snip)

Correct:
"It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine

I answer for Italy. Around here, each good left-wing man has to be anti-American. Which means, whatever USA may do, it will be stigmatized as evil. There is nothing intelligent in such a way to behave, but it is used as a tradition and as a distinctive seal. If you always say: "USA are the mystical body of Satan", you can be sure that any left party will love you and take care about you.

So sad...:(

Remember class, if you don't knuckle under to our Dear Leader Il Douche and the Glorious Bushevik party, then you're an anti-american, freedom hating hating, not God fearing dirty homo-commie pinko lesbian fag French beret wearing pansy Muslim Jihadist.

:p

Remember class, if you don't knuckle under to our Dear Leader Il Douche and the Glorious Bushevik party, then you're an anti-american, freedom hating hating, not God fearing dirty homo-commie pinko lesbian fag French beret wearing pansy Muslim Jihadist.

:p

Did you say Bushevik or Bullshivik? I always get those two confused (the similarity and all).

Anti-Americanism (and, to a lesser extent, anti-semitism) is one of the few types of bigotry that is still acceptable to the left, it seems.

1- As opposed to every OTHER bigotry, that is accepted by the Right.

2- I make a thread about morons that use "anti-American" as a buzz word to mean "dares to disagree with the Government". These same morons use "anti-Semite" as a buzz word to mean "disagrees with the actions of the Israeli government". You come in and claim the Left is anti-American without any substantiation but the fact that we were against the Iraq bloodbath, or are against the massacre of Palestinians, and so on.

3- Irony ensues.

I'm anti American, just the shape of the country makes me sick. The differing climates and geological habitats, no urrgghh, I like Enlgand much better the landscape is nicer, no deserts for us thank you very much!

Britain, ewwww, wet soggy country with gay marriage.

Britain, ewwww, wet soggy country with gay marriage.
Better than the US, though. In basically every way.

Sorry heikoku, I'm male.

And I interpreted "anti-american" as "people opposed to the American ideals" not "people who hate America". There's a difference, you know.

what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

Good question. Unfortunately, we (yes, I'm technically an American) live in a society where "America" means "the idea of America," and not the land, its inhabitants, and its government, and thus anti-anti-Americanism often consists of idealistic hyperbole because of this.

I MIGHT be considered "pro-America" in the context of the idealist definition (i.e., the one thrown around like a soccer ball by redneck presidents), but ANTI-America in the realist sense; that is, I oppose capitalism, and socialism---two major features of modern-day America, but I'm ALSO opposed to democracy (or democratic republicanism, as is the case here) in any way, shape or form, and this was obviously an essential part of this country's foundation.

But in sum, there's really two ways that one can be "anti-American," and one way (the realist way) is really not anti-American at all.

Did you say Bushevik or Bullshivik? I always get those two confused (the similarity and all).

Bushevik.

Though Bullshivik would work. ;)

I believe that Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, G.W.F. Hegel, just to name a few, were great people.

There are SOOOO many issues I have with your definition of "great." Lenin himself was a bourgeous liar, Marx's whole career was based on a genetic fallacy, and....okay, "Che" wasn't all that bad (except for the fact that his face has been ironically capitalized on by the very entities he was against---man, do I wanna hit anyone wearing a Che shirt) and, though I very much disagree with Hegel, without him Max Stirner wouldn't have written one of the single greatest books in the history of philosophy.

I think the simplest definition (and, by the way, by that one I used to be anti-American) is an inability to see or want to see good things about the US, on a people-level, an economic level a political level and a foreign policy level.

There's lots and lots and lots of bad things about the US. But there are also many good things about it. If you spend all your time ranting about the former while ignoring the latter, you probably qualify as "anti-American".

PATRIOT: He who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.

"Anti-American" means that someone has run out of logical and reasonable points to make and just wants the crowd on his side.

I think the simplest definition (and, by the way, by that one I used to be anti-American) is an inability to see or want to see good things about the US, on a people-level, an economic level a political level and a foreign policy level.

There's lots and lots and lots of bad things about the US. But there are also many good things about it. If you spend all your time ranting about the former while ignoring the latter, you probably qualify as "anti-American".

Perhaps, but someone's looking at the bad things out of context and labeling them as "anti-American" is just as crappy as ignoring the good things. The politicians love it when we, the people lob labels at one another. Divided we fall victim to shoddy political rhetoric and vote people into office who have no business being there.

Anti-american means you're not one of their controlled mindless dogs.

Anti-american means you're not one of their controlled mindless dogs.

Oh, push on little freedom fighter.:rolleyes:

I love it how hating Americans constitutes being one of the freethinkers, whereas hating any other group of people for no particular reason is seen as hate speech.

I am an American.

I don't support the troops. I think that the fact they are willing to shoot people because some guy in a suit tells them to is horrific. But because they are human beings, I want them to be brought home right now so that they can be reunited with their families and stop killing and being killed.

I am in favor of open borders. This country was was founded by immigrants, has always benefited from influxes of immigrants, heck, the AMERICAN DREAM is predicated on what immigrants are seeking when they come here. I think we need to find ways to make more people legal, not find ways to throw more people out.

I am anti-Freedom Fries, I don't say the Pledge of Allegience, I support gay marriage, I am disgusted by the Patriot Act, I don't respect our president... I could go on and on.

I am an American. The reason I can say these things is precisely because I am an American. In America, I am allowed to say what I think, feel what I want, and work towards making the world the better place I believe it can be.

The only anti-American is the person who would deny me those rights and insist that I must support what my country does blindly and with no thought to making it better.

I am an American.

And I don't consider people who disagree with our government to be anti-American.

I consider the brainless idiots who decide to dish out derogatory comments at all Americans. People who bash minute things; people who fail to see America as anything but "OMG we all suck teh Bush cockz!!"

I was once asked, on another on-line forum, if I thought America was the best country in the world, and I said no.

I said that because I'm from another country, and I naturally view my native country as the best, but by that time the other guy was off ranting and foaming at the mouth... sad.

I'm an american. i would say im against the current backward ideals that we assume are American. We are the land of the free. In the sense that as long as your not to free to be out of control of the government. I love the idea of democracy. unfortunatly the electoral college has denied that to us. the lives of the poor and the ones with money are so different and the ones who have the money dont see why the poor ones are so miserable and want change. we need better care for the people who lack money. the only freedom americans truely have is the freedom to be held down to be detained because we lack money which gives the people power in this country. for all of you living in other countries saying what anti-american is, you have no idea unless you live here. the caste system society that is a fake capitalistic government gives the people who dont seem like they can cause change power. everyday i go to high school i feel like i could be killed at any moment for the revolutionary thoughts i think and the want for true EQUALITY. that is the pressure and control that the government puts down on us. like if you stray from their path you are not worthy anymore and are taken out for the greater good. it shows that way in teenage cliques too, the preppy rich kids dont hang out with the poor kids because they are trained by their rich parents that we are lower and are not worthy of their attention.

The true definition of "Anti-American" is the disagreement with the backward American government and the want of radical change in the American society.

freedom, equality, and chivalry should be the things all countries strive for, not more power or influence.

Like my nationstates account says, "Live and Die for the Code" in Latin of course.

Oh, push on little freedom fighter.:rolleyes:

I love it how hating Americans constitutes being one of the freethinkers, whereas hating any other group of people for no particular reason is seen as hate speech.

Would you say, from my post above, that *I* hate America?

Oh, push on little freedom fighter.:rolleyes:

I love it how hating Americans constitutes being one of the freethinkers, whereas hating any other group of people for no particular reason is seen as hate speech.
No, what I mean is, when the term is used, it's almost always referring to someone you don't like, and, in politics, that's almost always someone who disagrees with you.

For example, if you protest the war in Iraq, a pro-war republican may say that you are 'un-American' or 'anti-American' or 'unpatriotic'.

Would you say, from my post above, that *I* hate America?

Did you even read my other post? I said disagreeing with the government != hating America.

Though from your post above, I can say that you like saying that you are an American. Obviously for some *yawn* "poetic" effect. Reminds me of annoying commercials or something like that.

The United States government has given us the freedom to express how we feel, including issues concerning the government.

Pro tip: Don't use that freedom of expression to type in red font on a white background. Not only does it make everyone immediately ignore whatever point you may have been trying to make, I'm pretty sure it's filed right next to "Shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater" under the Official List of Exceptions to the First Amendment.

The United States government has given us the freedom to Wrong

Anti-americans aren't anti americans. They oppose the government and/or the actions of said governement. Most europeans think of americans as lesser intelligent beings since they allow such horrendous atrocities to happen in their name or they feel sorry for the americans because they are obviously still being exposed to the same level of control as they were during the wonderfull years of the cold war.
Most europeans i think feel no hate or anger towards the people of america, but to some degree hold the government of the united states in contempt.
We're not anti-american, we're anti union.
We're texans.

Anti-americans aren't anti americans. They oppose the government and/or the actions of said governement. Most europeans think of americans as lesser intelligent beings since they allow such horrendous atrocities to happen in their name or they feel sorry for the americans because they are obviously still being exposed to the same level of control as they were during the wonderfull years of the cold war.
Most europeans i think feel no hate or anger towards the people of america, but to some degree hold the government of the united states in contempt.
We're not anti-american, we're anti union.
We're texans.

What I can see in Europe, as an European, is this: left winged parties with a communist tradition will always hate USA. It is what they are voted for. It is the part they play, because they still are connected with cold war communist parties and ideals.
In foreign politics, such feelings tend to vanish, because each European nation somehow needs USA, and will work against them only if they have economical reasons for doing this. A couple of examples: France was against Iraqi war, because France had several trade preferences with Iraq; Italy is, now by now, against a war in Iran, because Italy is Iran's first commercial partner.
Right winged parties will be with USA, simply to oppose to left wing.
Anyway, I can see a strong feeling of hate growing against USA. Each USA action is being examinated, to find something wrong. And this is really sad.
I feel no hate or anger against USA people, but I cannot feel too much love for them. I don't care about them, but only about their government's decision. And this is what most of people do around here.

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Did you even read my other post? I said disagreeing with the government != hating America.

Though from your post above, I can say that you like saying that you are an American. Obviously for some *yawn* "poetic" effect. Reminds me of annoying commercials or something like that.

So sorry to hear that you are bored by things people actually care about that don't sync up with what you believe.

I DO disagree with our government on many issues. I do not, however, hate America.

Calling someone "Anti-American" is almost universally a polemical statement, designed for the sole purpose of eliciting an emotional response from the audience. So, while, yes, there are a few genuine incidents where an individual can be called truly "Anti-American", the term has been so grossly misused as to be near totally worthless.

what IS anti-American? What does it entail?


Anti = against
American = People of the United States of America.

Anti-American = Against the people of the United States of America.

Anti = against
American = People of the United States of America.

Anti-American = Against the people of the United States of America.

Not necessarily people, just 'of or relating to', aye?

So sorry to hear that you are bored by things people actually care about that don't sync up with what you believe.

I DO disagree with our government on many issues. I do not, however, hate America.

Where did I indicate what I believe in (I can't find it in my post, maybe you can)? Where did I say you hate America? Methinks you should re-read my post.

Just a little tip: != means does not. I said disagreeing with the does not equate to hating America.

Americans call anyone who doesn't agree with their "war on random 3rd world countries" anti-americans...

I do?

Now, I realize some people will use the expression "anti-American" (and its correlates) like a businessman in the seedier parts of Vegas uses a "love professional". Yet, what exactly DO they mean? They used that term a lot more, of course, back when people were still duped into being pro-war. Is it "you don't agree with me on issue du jour ergo you hate America"? Is it "disagreeing with the American Government"? Okay, I can see how DUMB people would make this kind of definition theirs, but, in general, I have to ask, what IS anti-American? What does it entail? Do you have to go to special clubs? Secret handshakes?

Americans call anyone who doesn't agree with their "war on random 3rd world countries" anti-americans...

Americans call anyone who doesn't agree with their "war on random 3rd world countries" anti-americans...

I'll just call you a dumfook, for painting with such a broad brush, and in such an inaccurate fashion.

Oh, and because your name sucks too.

I do?

In that case, by the powers vested in me by the state of Confusion, I pronounce you... husband.

*Waits for anyone else to say "I do". They can be the wife.*