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I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Nobody said you had free speech. This is a (mostly benevolent) dictatorship ruled by Max Barry and those he delegates to enforce his laws. You want free speech, go make your own forum.

Free speech doesn't exist here.

No shit. Were you under the impression that this was a government run forum?

Help, help, I'm being oppressed! Fight the power! (http://farm.tucows.com/images/2006/06/internet_tough_guy_magazine.jpg)

You don't actually see how 'scumsucking godless vermin' is slightly more vitriolic than 'religious nutcases' ?

You can talk about anything, or say anything that doesn't:

1. Flame another poster/posters.
2. Advocate mass slaughter/murder or people or races.
3. Talk about paedophelia
4. Involve images of Swastikas
5. Involve images or text that exceeds as PG-13 standard.

I've also never seen anyone refer in general to conservatives as "religious nutcases", typically it's alot more specifically directed than that.

And it seems absurd to refer to "liberals" in general as "scumsucking godless vermin" considering there are many religious liberals on here.

Edit: After some research

I can see why you have been banned in the past. Multiple instances of directing derogatory comments at SPECIFIC people. Calling liberals in general something is one thing; you did in fact break specific rules when you refer to specific people on these forums as "moron", "idiot", "vermin", "minion", etc...

Epic failure on your part.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Live with it. These people make the forum, they can run it as they choose. I'm mostly conservative and it doesn't bother me. If you don't like it, come up with interesting and amusing insults. I'm sure they'd let you off.

"I am a dignified poster, not some fox-faced vagabond in and over-fancy hat!"

Your intellect appears to be suffering from a premature dotage. A dose of veracity may correct the flaw.

"Take care, you dung-hill cocks!"

...or, you know, maybe you could try just acting like a rational adult? Is it really so very hard to say, "I disagree with your position, and here's why" rather than "You are all scumsucking godless vermin!"

Further, I'm not sure where you got the idea that a privately-owned website has to grant you some sort of right to "free speech." Speaking of which, calling the mods "pinheads" is probably a bad idea. In fact, calling anyone a pinhead is probably a bad idea, which takes us back to that whole "rational adult" thing.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Scumsucking godless vermin sounds so much more volatile than religious nutcase.

And if you don't like it here, then you can leave?:confused:

Find a more conservative forum, where all they do is flame liberals & centrist.

Read the FAQs:
http://www.nationstates.net/39770/page=faq

Q: It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?

A: Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Did you see your moderation thread, they let you off but archdoile (sp?) accidently banned you I think.

The great thing about a Liberal circle jerk is;

1) You can do it with the lights on.
2) No one gets all preachy at the end.
3) No one claims to have been "way too wasted".

Live with it. These people make the forum, they can run it as they choose. I'm mostly conservative and it doesn't bother me. If you don't like it, come up with interesting and amusing insults. I'm sure they'd let you off.

"I am a dignified poster, not some fox-faced vagabond in and over-fancy hat!"

Your intellect appears to be suffering from a premature dotage. A dose of veracity may correct the flaw.

"Take care, you dung-hill cocks!"

Here are a few more examples:

You narcissism has painted a deceitful portrait which has mislead you: you are in fact, bereft of wisdom.

Overzealous verbal frippery does not adequately compensate for your inherent lack of perception.

I once thought myself obtuse; thankfully, your example of possibilities has greatly reinforced my vanity.

Here are a few more examples:

You narcissism has painted a deceitful portrait which has mislead you: you are in fact, bereft of wisdom.

Overzealous verbal frippery does not adequately compensate for your inherent lack of perception.

I once thought myself obtuse; thankfully, your example of possibilities has greatly reinforced my vanity.

Or made-up medical terms, like analocuphelia... It's a condition where ones vision is obstructed by their own rectum... Though I do honestly believe this condition runs rampant amongst those in political occupations.

[quote]it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference,/quote]
I think you just proved why the rule isn't hypocritical.

Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.


You fight the power! You *do* have the right to free speech, at all times! Its granted by the U.S. constitution to everybody in the universe. But why just fight it here on Nationstates?

Go see a movie, and halfway though, yell "Fire" at the top of your lungs. Its your constitutional right!

Go to the airport and tell everybody you have a bomb. No one can stop you from expressing anything you want.

Blast your radio as loud as you can at 2:30 in the morning. If the neighbors don't like it, they are tyranical bozo's.

Go exercise those rights, tiger. Right now. Go!

I've seen them come, and I've seen them go. Only one thing remains;

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/tacos.jpg

:D

http://www.unomaha.edu/whatsup/2006/img/0417_bigpic.jpg

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.


I've seen them come, and I've seen them go. Only one thing remains;

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/tacos.jpg

:D

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/bandofclowns.gif

I'm hit!!!

http://www.unomaha.edu/whatsup/2006/img/0417_bigpic.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/bandofclowns.gif

You can talk about anything, or say anything that doesn't:

1. Flame another poster/posters.
2. Advocate mass slaughter/murder or people or races.
3. Talk about paedophelia
4. Involve images of Swastikas
5. Involve images or text that exceeds as PG-13 standard.


Is it okay to have images of the murderous ideology of communism?:headbang:

Is it okay to have images of the murderous ideology of communism?:headbang:

I don't believe the "ideology" itself is murderous. Please return when you have taken appropriate pains to confront the correct tome on the matter.

Free speech, like communism, is a red herring.

I can't recall any instance where I have called anyone a "religious nutcase" or "scumsucking godless vermin." Interestingly enough, neither have I ever been moderated in any way.

To summarize:


Behave as an adult
Ignore those who don't
???
Profit!/Free Speech!

[quote]it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference,/quote]
I think you just proved why the rule isn't hypocritical.


Of for goodness sake, isn't it obvious? A nutcase is a box designed to hold edible seeds, while scumsucking is a behaviour engaged in by snails, which are invertebrates, and of course invertebrates are referred to as vermin, although this can include rodents, too, but I think it is clear that classifying people as atheistic snails is just too low a blow.

Yes, yes, I know, technically they rasp the scum before they suck it, but really, expecting the moderators to be that familiar with the feeding behaviour of land snails is just silly. Scumsucking it is.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/tacos.jpg
Taco Log!?!

I did not know such beautiful things existed...

You can talk about anything, or say anything that doesn't:

1. Flame another poster/posters.
2. Advocate mass slaughter/murder or people or races.
3. Talk about paedophelia
4. Involve images of Swastikas
5. Involve images or text that exceeds as PG-13 standard.
With the exception of #5, I've done all of those over the years, sometimes even in the same post, yet I've never suffered any disciplinary action. Since I argue from a libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist perspective most of the time, I'd say the problem isn't a liberal bias, but people who just don't know when they've overstepped their bounds and should quietly scurry away.

You know, I feel like it's worthwhile to quote Kat's post giving Dixie his three-day ban here:

Let's talk about logic and common sense.
You have had explained patiently to you that calling people idiots is flaming and against the rules: fact.

You have just flamed a moderator: fact.

YOU have stated that calling people idiots is not flaming if it's true: fact.
Our rules state that is not the case and it is not acceptable: fact.
You have exhibited a pattern of this behavior with absolutely no visible intent to change it: fact.

You have just gotten a three day vacation for refusing to abide by the standards of behavior that everyone on the board is expected to abide by and which were pointed out to you specifically. Fact.

Hopefully when you return you will have absorbed what debate and civil behavior constitutes. Namecalling ain't it.

I don't believe the "ideology" (communism) itself is murderous.

Well, certainly not more than fascism.

The hammer and sickle should probably join the swastika in the Bad Image box.

And that stupid monotone image of Che. Oh, that is so trite and commercialized.

Taco Log!?!

I did not know such beautiful things existed...
I don't see what's supposed to be so exciting about it. Maybe if it were actually a giant, crunchy tortilla shell with slots cut into it . . .

Taco Log!?!

I did not know such beautiful things existed...

Not a "log," but rather a multiple independently targeted mobile taco launcher.

Is it okay to have images of the murderous ideology of communism?:headbang:

What would be an "image of the murderous ideology of communism"?

Wow, two pages of responses, and not one person actually defends free speech! I see a lot of gross mischaracterization, even though I clearly stated that my remarks were generalized statements, not directed at any individual. I never referred to a poster as "godless scumsucking vermin" and the remark was made in contrast to "religious nutcases" who it appears is anyone right of Howard Stern. And YES, I find "religious nutcase" just as insulting and vitriolic as "godless scumsucking vermin" would be to a liberal... so it's the same thing! I don't have a problem with these generalizations, as long as we are all allowed to use them. My problem is, when a moderator decides that MY generalizaion is against the rules, while his liberal buddies aren't breaking the rules by doing the exact same thing.

The attitudes reflected in the responses here, proves my point. This place is nothing more than a liberal circle jerk. You all want to sit around bashing conservatives and republicans, while claiming you are giving them a fair forum to discuss the issues of the day. You have no intention of being fair or impartial, you simply want to continue stroking your liberal egos and bashing anything that differs from your twisted leftist viewpoint. You will use this forum to prop up your left-wing lunacy, while browbeating anyone who dares to interject a conservative viewpoint, and you have the able assistance of the moderators in doing this. It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

Then go, Dixieanna. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying you must post here. Find a forum, or create one, that you like.

Or continue to engage in flaming, flamebaiting and trolling, and have us shut the door behind you.

Or decide to post in a civil and rational manner.

Really, all up to you.

BTW, this would be the pertinent part of the Rules you seem to be missing:

The One Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784641&postcount=3)
Forbidden Actions: Forums

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

Flamebait: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.

I've been here quite some time. While I have seen some examples of mod bias (oh god, black helicopters outside mah windows!), I've never been banned, deleted, etc. etc. This is my original account...well, sort of, since my original account is back on the old server with all the others.
The best way to avoid the 'liberal circle jerk' is to...y'know, not act hostile. People get defensive when you run up in their face and say, "HOMG UR LIBRUL FAGT" and so forth.
*shrug*
Take a deep breath, and let the moderation (the Buddhist kind, not the B&hammer kind) flow.

Also, 'cirlce jerk' is possibly one of the most annoying phrases in the world. Couldnt you have used some more entertaining word choice? Like 'wankfest', or 'fellatio orgy' or something. Circlejerk is a tired phrase and deserves its rest.

Snip.

1- The mere fact that you call liberal viewpoints "lunacy" while calling conservative ones "viewpoints" shows how credible you are. Not.

2- If I take you on in a debate without ANY, but any AT ALL, flaming, you will likely still lose to me. And if I abide by the rules while you do not, the same will happen. As it will in any scenario. Especially when you are way, WAY quicker to use "scumsucking faggots" to mean ALL liberals than I am to use "religious nutcases" to mean SOME conservatives. Whether that's an indication of how good I am at debate, how bad you are or both is for you to decide. But the fact remains, I've bound myself to rules of even form and rhyme when arguing in this forum. And I won. I've studied Discourse Analysis, and graduated at Language and Literature. I can, if I feel like it, point out every fallacy, down to the kind, that is wrong with the notion that church and state shouldn't be separated. I have DONE so, and I have done so about other viewpoints. While using the form of a quote by William Shakespeare, or announcing (and coming through) that I'd argue only with rhetorical questions, and even using a song, or haikus. So you go ahead and tell me everything you think I need to know about "level of debate". By all means.

Nobody said you had free speech. This is a (mostly benevolent) dictatorship ruled by Max Barry and those he delegates to enforce his laws. You want free speech, go make your own forum.

Damn straight it's not free speech, in any sense of the word. It's a liberal soapbox, where all conservatives are squelched and ridiculed off the board, or banned for "breaking the rules" when they dare challenge one of you people. I don't need to make my own forum, there are plenty of fair and impartial political forums out there, and that's where I stay most of the time. I don't really give a crap if this forum stays just like it is, it's no skin off my nose, but I would think the administrators would want to have somewhat of a reasonabl, fair, and impartial forum of ideas... maybe not.

The attitudes reflected in the responses here, proves my point. This place is nothing more than a liberal circle jerk. You all want to sit around bashing conservatives and republicans, while claiming you are giving them a fair forum to discuss the issues of the day. You have no intention of being fair or impartial, you simply want to continue stroking your liberal egos and bashing anything that differs from your twisted leftist viewpoint. You will use this forum to prop up your left-wing lunacy, while browbeating anyone who dares to interject a conservative viewpoint, and you have the able assistance of the moderators in doing this. It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

I've seen the mods go after left-wingers, one of the more notable ones being Fass when he has one of his little ranty tirades that goes beyond moderately disgruntled.

The only reason there ever appears to be a bias is because "left-winger" tend to sugar-coat their insults more.

If you consider it unfair then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

While I support you in your battle against bias in any form, you probably should tone it down a bit.

The mere fact that you call liberal viewpoints "lunacy" while calling conservative ones "viewpoints" shows how credible you are. Not.

He's sort of like a mirror-version of UB, isnt he?

He's sort of like a mirror-version of UB, isnt he?

I don't think arguing with him would be worth it even for amusement.

Then go, Dixieanna. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying you must post here. Find a forum, or create one, that you like.

Or continue to engage in flaming, flamebaiting and trolling, and have us shut the door behind you.

Or decide to post in a civil and rational manner.

Really, all up to you.

BTW, this would be the pertinent part of the Rules you seem to be missing:

I understood the rules the first time I read them, and I am not missing anything. I gave a response to a poster who chastised conservatives as "religious nutcases" by using the same exact generalization directed at liberals. Suddenly, I have a moderators interjecting their bias, and claiming I broke the rules. Then I get banned from the forum completely, for several days the first time, and for a day this last time. It seems to me, certain political views can be expressed here without fear of reprisal, and others have to walk a tight rope and hope they don't "offend" some liberal.

In the first incident, I called someone a "moral coward" which was an accurate statement. It wasn't intended to be an insult, just an accurate assessment, when someone says they oppose something, but don't feel compelled to speak out against it, that is "moral cowardice" and the characterization is true. I am sorry it's true, I wish it weren't, the world would be better off without moral cowards, but they do exist. Just as you would point out when someone was being "racist" or "a religious nutcase", it isn't a put down if it's the truth.... it may hurt feelings, but it's true. Of course, this being the Libreal Mecca it is, we are all concerned with hurt feelings! UNLESS THEY ARE CONSERVATIVE ...Right?

I don't think arguing with him would be worth it even for amusement.

*Points to sig and nods sagely*

While I support you in your battle against bias in any form, you probably should tone it down a bit.

I quite agree.

I've still yet to recieve even a passing explanation of why I, quite rightly if I'm honest, get banned for flaming Greater Trostia, but he gets a warning for the self-same offence.

Of course, this being the Libreal Mecca it is, we are all concerned with hurt feelings! UNLESS THEY ARE CONSERVATIVE ...Right?

Right. Because there are no conservatives on this board, none. They've all been muzzled and sent packing off to some Liberal Gitmo land. And there are no liberals getting slapped for flaming and trolling, none. Liberals get rewarded and we actually fly them to the Cayman Islands on our dime just to show how much we appreciate them.

Why is it that tough-minded conservative realists always seem to be the biggest cry-babies?

Right. Because there are no conservatives on this board, none. They've all been muzzled and sent packing off to some Liberal Gitmo land. And there are no liberals getting slapped for flaming and trolling, none. Liberals get rewarded and we actually fly them to the Cayman Islands on our dime just to show how much we appreciate them.


I still wish to point out Ardchoille gave out unequal judgements, and did so with nothing more than an arbitrary "Because I say so". Explain why Trostia can call somebody any number of infamatory names, but any response warrants a ban.

In the first incident, I called someone a "moral coward" which was an accurate statement. It wasn't intended to be an insult, just an accurate assessment, when someone says they oppose something, but don't feel compelled to speak out against it, that is "moral cowardice" and the characterization is true. I am sorry it's true, I wish it weren't, the world would be better off without moral cowards, but they do exist. Just as you would point out when someone was being "racist" or "a religious nutcase", it isn't a put down if it's the truth.... it may hurt feelings, but it's true. Of course, this being the Libreal Mecca it is, we are all concerned with hurt feelings! UNLESS THEY ARE CONSERVATIVE ...Right?

My victim.

First of all, you claiming a statement about someone's "moral cowardice" is true doesn't make it true. With that in mind, you have no evidence to say he is being a moral coward. The concept of morality doesn't stop where YOUR morality ends. So, yes, you were flaming him. Because unless you can measure morality in practice, you were offending him. Without proof.

Second of all, if I said you're annoying and defended it with the fact that you are, indeed, annoying me (You aren't, I find you funny, not annoying, yet.), I would be, for all intents and purposes, flaming you. Even if the statement is "true".

Third of all, you used the "scumsucking vermin" thing as a poor attempt at obfuscation. I never claimed that all conservatives are religious nutcases (I know at least one that isn't). YOU, on the other hand, feigned fury at my "generalization" and "repaid it" by making one yourself.

Now.

Do you feel any need to humiliate yourself further?

I'll take "Not yet out of the closet" for one hundred, Alex.

The answer is, "because they hide their own insecurities by attacking others."

Why is it that tough-minded conservative realists always seem to be the biggest cry-babies?

That's correct!

*:Edited for humor.

the pinhead moderator

:eek:

HE HATH INSULTED OUR MIGHTY MODS!!!!!!

*Backs away from epic ban he is about to receive*

I understood the rules the first time I read them, and I am not missing anything. I gave a response to a poster who chastised conservatives as "religious nutcases" by using the same exact generalization directed at liberals. Suddenly, I have a moderators interjecting their bias, and claiming I broke the rules. Then I get banned from the forum completely, for several days the first time, and for a day this last time. It seems to me, certain political views can be expressed here without fear of reprisal, and others have to walk a tight rope and hope they don't "offend" some liberal.

In the first incident, I called someone a "moral coward" which was an accurate statement. It wasn't intended to be an insult, just an accurate assessment, when someone says they oppose something, but don't feel compelled to speak out against it, that is "moral cowardice" and the characterization is true. I am sorry it's true, I wish it weren't, the world would be better off without moral cowards, but they do exist. Just as you would point out when someone was being "racist" or "a religious nutcase", it isn't a put down if it's the truth.... it may hurt feelings, but it's true. Of course, this being the Libreal Mecca it is, we are all concerned with hurt feelings! UNLESS THEY ARE CONSERVATIVE ...Right?

If you truly have been the victim of such systematic unfairness, surely you could provide us some links (and/or quotes) so that we can all see the injustice for ourselves.

Otherwise you are expecting us to simply take it on faith that you have been treated wrongly and are not paranoid or delusional.

Given that I am a liberal that once got warned for flamebaiting a conservative, I have to say I won't simply take your allegations at face value.

Wow, two pages of responses, and not one person actually defends free speech!

Ok. You have a story, concept and game created by an Australian running on a British server? Where does the American rules of free speech come into play?

The mods grant latitude and as others have pointed out there are rules that must be obeyed.

There is no liberal conspiracy at play. The mods have actual lives and actually do other things then to worry about some Religous conservative might be posting something on the boards.

My problem is, when a moderator decides that MY generalization is against the rules, while his liberal buddies aren't breaking the rules by doing the exact same thing.

Prove it.

The attitudes reflected in the responses here, proves my point. This place is nothing more than a liberal circle jerk.

Oh nooes! He is on to us! Ban him Kat! Ban him before he lets people know!

You all want to sit around bashing conservatives and republicans, while claiming you are giving them a fair forum to discuss the issues of the day. You have no intention of being fair or impartial, you simply want to continue stroking your liberal egos and bashing anything that differs from your twisted leftist viewpoint. You will use this forum to prop up your left-wing lunacy, while browbeating anyone who dares to interject a conservative viewpoint, and you have the able assistance of the moderators in doing this. It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

Why do you stay then?

I still wish to point out Ardchoille gave out unequal judgements, and did so with nothing more than an arbitrary "Because I say so". Explain why Trostia can call somebody any number of infamatory names, but any response warrants a ban.

Have you tried asking Ardchoille why you were banned?

Oh nooes! He is on to us! Ban him Kat! Ban him before he lets people know!

And yes, ironic about how it's all about muzzling the conservatives when they're still shouting from the treetops, eh?

Have you tried asking Ardchoille why you were banned?


It's a thought you know....:D

There is bugger all difference in the linked thread (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534235&page=2) between my suggesting he flames, and his doing the same, except that he used the veb "insult" as opposed to "flame". But does that matter to Ardchoille? Noooooooooo... after all, why concern oneself with being objective when one has arbitrary powers. I cannot help but feel he truly is a grade A fuckwit.

Well, certainly not more than fascism.

The hammer and sickle should probably join the swastika in the Bad Image box.

And that stupid monotone image of Che. Oh, that is so trite and commercialized.

http://cache4.spreadshirt.net/users/393000/392979/motives/392979_1536129_big.gif

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Don't like, don't post. See? Problem solved.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

I agree, I respectively say that this forum was created for IMPARTIAL debate, ergo if it does not do that it is not fulfilling it's purpose. The FAQ and rules say so and they were instated by Max Barry himself. And secondly on forums everyone must follow the rules including the moderators and founder. That way the non-moderators see the mods being a good example and do not wish to break rules. Another benefit from this is the system works the way it's supposed to thus making things go more smoothly. When we stray away from the rules that were ordained by reasonable caring thinkers it only causes complications whether or not one it of a position of authority.

I agree, I respectively say that this forum was created for IMPARTIAL debate, ergo if it does not do that it is not fulfilling it's purpose. The FAQ and rules say so and they were instated by Max Barry himself. And secondly on forums everyone must follow the rules including the moderators and founder. That way the non-moderators see the mods being a good example and do not wish to break rules. Another benefit from this is the system works the way it's supposed to thus making things go more smoothly. When we stray away from the rules that were ordained by reasonable caring thinkers it only causes complications whether or not one it of a position of authority.

Once more:

The One Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784641&postcount=3)
Forbidden Actions: Forums

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

Flamebait: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.

This isn't a Democracy, darling.

This isn't a Democracy, darling.

Democracy or not no liberal, conservative, martians or anyone here has the right to disagree in an uncivil way which I've seen a lot of liberals doing. All disagreeing must be civil.

Oh nooes! He is on to us! Ban him Kat! Ban him before he lets people know!

Making fun of this man with the qords I quoted above in response to a differing opinion is uncivil.

It's a thought you know....:D

There is bugger all difference in the linked thread (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534235&page=2) between my suggesting he flames, and his doing the same, except that he used the veb "insult" as opposed to "flame". But does that matter to Ardchoille? Noooooooooo... after all, why concern oneself with being objective when one has arbitrary powers. I cannot help but feel he truly is a grade A fuckwit.

1) Link broken.
2) Calling Ardchoille a Grade A fuckwit has magically caused me to cease to be curious about why you were banned.

1) Link broken.
2) Calling Ardchoille a Grade A fuckwit has magically caused me to cease to be curious about why you were banned.

Wonder if he can pull a rabbit out of his hat too.

Welcome to the internet. You have the ability to speak providd one does not break the rules.

Dixieanna,

oops... (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13100402&postcount=3)

Even the Mods can make a mistake. but there are procedures to get such mistakes corrected. putting up a thread like this is NOT one of em.

the mods are human and they do have lives outside of NSG. A claim that I yet, cannot prove but I'll take their word for it. :p

HE HATH INSULTED OUR MIGHTY MODS!!!!!!

*Backs away from epic ban he is about to receive*

Just as an aside, I get really annoyed with this sort of post. Do a bit of research, especially in the Moderation forum. I think you'll find that the mods are, as a rule, far more thick-skinned about insults against the mods than we are about insults against other players.

One of the reasons we get selected for this job is our ability not to take most of that crap personally. In a job where unfounded claims of bias and corruption are common as dirt, that's a critical job skill.

No, sorry, it was untrue, but if you want to lie about human life, you'll lie about anything.

Science says it is a living organism at the point of conception. Again, you can attempt to muddy the water and pretend otherwise, but you are a liar and an idiot, as you have proven already.

It's nice to see you recant that idiotic statement. As far as disputing it, I don't know how else to dispute an idiot... your toe is not a living human organism, a fetus is.

3. Science does indeed have a definition of life, you moron.

Would you like to continue pretending you were banned for your viewpoints or for making "generalizations," or would you perhaps like to admit that you flamed other posters now?

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

I understand your point, and you're right about liberals viciously attacking conservatives on NSG, and that they (the libs, not the mods) don't allow it the other way around.

But I think what the mods are objecting to is you using the words "scumsucking" and "vermin" when describing liberals, not merely speaking critically of liberals in general. It's okay not to agree with liberals, they just don't want you using words like those.

Though frankly IMO "nutcases" is almost, if not altogether, as bad.

Would you like to continue pretending you were banned for your viewpoints or for making "generalizations," or would you perhaps like to admit that you flamed other posters now?

Thank you.

I was certain Dixieanna wasn't telling us the real story, but didn't want to wade through Dixieanna's past myself.

This should (but no doubt will not) put an end to this whining about bias.

In a job where unfounded claims of bias and corruption are common as dirt, that's a critical job skill.

*is severely tempted to rework the above sentence and then sarcastically post "fixed"*

This thread is truly fascinating, from a psychological standpoint at least. It proves just how little logical argument actually counts for in some people's minds. No matter how many times people quote the rules Dixie breaks or point out that his moral American standards do not apply here, he continues with his nonsensical rants. He even takes the fact that no one agrees with him to mean that something is wrong with the whole website, rather than with him. Is anyone else fascinated by the inner workings of his mind?

The great thing about a Liberal circle jerk is;

1) You can do it with the lights on.
2) No one gets all preachy at the end.
3) No one claims to have been "way too wasted".

4) Dixieanna can be in the middle! WooT!

This thread is truly fascinating, from a psychological standpoint at least. It proves just how little logical argument actually counts for in some people's minds. No matter how many times people quote the rules Dixie breaks or point out that his moral American standards do not apply here, he continues with his nonsensical rants. He even takes the fact that no one agrees with him to mean that something is wrong with the whole website, rather than with him. Is anyone else fascinated by the inner workings of his mind?
Believe it or not, there's a few in every generation here.
Also ... anyone seen Deep Kimchi/Whispering Legs/Remote Observer/*significant othername* in a while?

Believe it or not, there's a few in every generation here.
Also ... anyone seen Deep Kimchi/Whispering Legs/Remote Observer/*significant othername* in a while?
I like you. Wanna cover yourself with disinfectant, then have sloppy make-outs?

I like you. Wanna cover yourself with disinfectant, then have sloppy make-outs?
Oh, Guy like .... :D
This guy's probably CRAWLING with parasites!
Guy: So, do you see a sexy blonde in Guy's future?
Diane Warwicke: No.
Guy: How about a shapely brunette with large breasts?
Diane: You? I don't think so.
Guy: What should Guy do?
Diane: Use your hand.
Guy: *GASP!* Ohhh! Guy like!
Vic: Looks like Guy will be doing some palm reading of his own.

Perhaps ... just perhaps ... haremmasters/mistresses of the Zilam 4 (5?) are willing to take on an apprentice?

Oh, Guy like .... :D
This guy's probably CRAWLING with parasites!


Perhaps ... just perhaps ... haremmasters/mistresses of the Zilam 4 (5?) are willing to take on an apprentice?
I've never had sloppy make-outs in my life because I'm a severe germophobe and no one has been willing to do the disinfectant thing until you.
Please don't mention parasites, especially in white writing that reminds me of tapeworms.

I've never had sloppy make-outs in my life because I'm a severe germophobe and no one has been willing to do the disinfectant thing until you.Well, i've had my share of stinging sensations, so the disinfectant-in-the-sensitive-parts thing sounds kinda titillating. As far as the sloppy part ... isn't it usually? o.9

Please don't mention parasites, especially in white writing that reminds me of tapeworms.That reminds me of House, which is in itself somewhat titillating as well.
http://www.housemd-guide.com/season3/314insensitive.php

Well, i've had my share of stinging sensations, so the disinfectant-in-the-sensitive-parts thing sounds kinda titillating. As far as the sloppy part ... isn't it usually? o.9
That reminds me of House, which is in itself somewhat titillating as well.
http://www.housemd-guide.com/season3/314insensitive.php
I can't stand to watch House, it makes me physically sick.

I can't stand to watch House, it makes me physically sick.

Then watch Cameron. That's a good enough reason for me.

Then watch Cameron. That's a good enough reason for me.
Which one is Cameron?

Which one is Cameron?

The bleeding heart hot intelligent sweetie who made a confusing and although oft-awkward attempt to pry open House's ventricles for some kind of compassion. Then she gave up and quit.

The bleeding heart hot intelligent sweetie who made a confusing and although oft-awkward attempt to pry open House's ventricles for some kind of compassion. Then she gave up and quit.
But I don't like the womantypes. To be honest, I'm not especially crazy about the mantypes either. It's all so sticky and messy and unpleasent.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Let's see what really happened with at least one of your bans. The following all comes from the same thread:

Science says it is a living organism at the point of conception. Again, you can attempt to muddy the water and pretend otherwise, but you are a liar and an idiot, as you have proven already.


You said a fetus is human life, like your big toe is human life. That is equating the two. It's nice to see you recant that idiotic statement. As far as disputing it, I don't know how else to dispute an idiot...

You don't like being proven wrong, and that is understandable, this is a forum, and most forum idiots are defiant when proven wrong. I understand completely. Good night.

Compulsory decisions on "what society needs" are almost universally based on collective moral judgement to some degree. I'm sorry if that flies comfortably over your head, but it is the truth.

A living human organism is created at point of conception. A new human life. Complete with everything you and I have, with no requirement except development time. It is a human, it is in the state of being, therefore, it is a Human Being. It is in its expected developmental stage of life, just as I am and you are obviously not. In fact, I would be careful, they might pass a bill that it's okay to kill off retarded people next... I'd hate for you to be victim of your own avocations some day.

Dixieanna, you were doing fine until you got to this bit:In fact, I would be careful, they might pass a bill that it's okay to kill off retarded people next... I'd hate for you to be victim of your own avocations some day.


Please read, learn and inwardly digest the contents of this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023), the One-Stop Rules Shop.

Pay special attention to this part in the FORBIDDEN ACTIONS section:

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming.

And if you read on to the section about flamebaiting, don't think you were flamebaited, because you weren't.

I've taken this long to explain it to you because you're new. No-one will bother explaining it next time, so don't have a next time. Too many "next times" can lead to a "last time".

Scroll back a couple of pages and read the in-depth article posted. I have indeed supported everything I have said. You and your idiot minions have not supported any of your illogical and irrational viewpoints. You continually contradict yourselves, stating first, it is not alive, then saying it is alive, just not viable, then back to 'not alive' again. Then you say it isn't human life, but can't tell us what kind of living organism it would be. None of your points make any sense, from a scientific standpoint, or from a logical standpoint. And I venture to bet, about 90% of the 'argument' here from your side, is coming from adolescents who don't have the first clue about science or biology. You are just parroting pro-abortion pablum you've read somewhere, and refusing to acknowledge basic biological facts.

I didn't call NERVUN an idiot minion, read it again. And it is not an insult if it is true. People who want to argue that something living is not yet a life, are idiots. People who claim a living organism inside a human womb is not human, are idiots. I can't help that, I am just stating the truth about them. NERVUN is indeed wrong, but the others who have made the ridiculous statements outlined above, are idiots.

Ad hominem.
Honestly, your tactic seems to be "my opinion is fact, if you disagree you're an idiot, I'm not listening to you and I am winning!"

Not very mature. Well tell me what isn't fact, Mr. Maturity?

A human fetus is human... FACT!
A living human fetus is alive.... FACT!
It is in a state of being.... FACT!

What the hell is "my opinion" about this? It seems to me, "my opinion" is common sense and logic, and you want to differ from that. This is fine, let's just put you on record disagreeing with common sense and logic! I have no problem with that! My points have been well made, and backed with plenty of credible information, your points... well, don't even make sense, and defy logic and science.

I didn't come up with the definition of being, or define the state of being. I simply posted it on a message board, and had morons and idiots breaking their necks to disagree with it. I'm sorry logic escapes you.

Let's talk about logic and common sense.
You have had explained patiently to you that calling people idiots is flaming and against the rules: fact.

You have just flamed a moderator: fact.

YOU have stated that calling people idiots is not flaming if it's true: fact.
Our rules state that is not the case and it is not acceptable: fact.
You have exhibited a pattern of this behavior with absolutely no visible intent to change it: fact.

You have just gotten a three day vacation for refusing to abide by the standards of behavior that everyone on the board is expected to abide by and which were pointed out to you specifically. Fact.

Hopefully when you return you will have absorbed what debate and civil behavior constitutes. Namecalling ain't it.

But I don't like the womantypes. To be honest, I'm not especially crazy about the mantypes either. It's all so sticky and messy and unpleasent.

I suppose that might depend on your approach, which makes it good to remember the disinfectant. :)

I suppose that might depend on your approach, which makes it good to remember the disinfectant. :)
If I ever get over my fear of physical contact, I'll call you up some time, sugar;)

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Wow, two pages of responses, and not one person actually defends free speech! I see a lot of gross mischaracterization, even though I clearly stated that my remarks were generalized statements, not directed at any individual. I never referred to a poster as "godless scumsucking vermin" and the remark was made in contrast to "religious nutcases" who it appears is anyone right of Howard Stern. And YES, I find "religious nutcase" just as insulting and vitriolic as "godless scumsucking vermin" would be to a liberal... so it's the same thing! I don't have a problem with these generalizations, as long as we are all allowed to use them. My problem is, when a moderator decides that MY generalizaion is against the rules, while his liberal buddies aren't breaking the rules by doing the exact same thing.
The attitudes reflected in the responses here, proves my point. This place is nothing more than a liberal circle jerk. You all want to sit around bashing conservatives and republicans, while claiming you are giving them a fair forum to discuss the issues of the day. You have no intention of being fair or impartial, you simply want to continue stroking your liberal egos and bashing anything that differs from your twisted leftist viewpoint. You will use this forum to prop up your left-wing lunacy, while browbeating anyone who dares to interject a conservative viewpoint, and you have the able assistance of the moderators in doing this. It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

Again, let us see if the record supports your assertion that there is a double-standard under which you are punished for generalizations and liberals are not:

I think the post in question is this one:
A recent Pugh Research study shows that 51% of Americans oppose abortion, and 79% oppose late-term (partial birth) abortion. Although it was stated that the rebublican candidate was 'pro-abortion', I have never met anyone who admitted they were 'pro-abortion'. Even the most devout liberal NOW supporter, doesn't consider themselves 'pro-abortion', so how can a conservative presidential candidate claim to be?

Oh, I am sure the liberal scumsucking vermin out there are drooling over the prospects of fracturing the conservative vote, just as the previous poster indicated it would suit him fine to just abolish the conservative vote and give Democrats the election. Well, we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship, and we all have a say in this issue, not just liberal heathens.

Why are conservatives constantly referred to as "religious nutcases"? Is this some lame attempt to stigmatize conservatives? And why is it, everytime someone speaks up for their religious beliefs, they are deemed a "nutcase" by Godless liberal scum? There is nothing "nutty" about worshiping a God, in fact, 95% of the world population, believes in some form of God. It seems to me, the real 'nutcases' are those who have chosen to not believe in God.

This post was reported to the Moderators (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539767)-- who replied in the following way:

He's not flaming anyone. There doesn't appear to be any trolling going on. It actually appears to be a rant against perceived liberal bias in the thread and elsewhere, and it's mild flamebait at best.

I don't see any reason for mod intervention. Feel free to debate him, of course.

I'm not quite sure why anyone would report "liberal heathens" and not "religious nutcases". Same shit, different producer.

Dixieanna, Fris got there first (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13100314&postcount=2). I suppose you're learning, since you didn't flame anyone specifically this time.

Still, please ponder this, which is addressed not just to you, but to all posters: "liberal", "heathen" and "Godless" (or "godless") are fair descriptions of the positions held by some people on these forums. So are "conservative", "Christian", "pro-choice" or "pro-life" and a whole string of political labels.

Everyone may apply these labels to people who think differently from them, unless the people concerned make it clear that they consider them inappropriate.

But they are not "vermin" or "scum" or "morons" or whatever other form of abuse occurs to you. They are living human beings. You need not respect their opinions, but you must, on these forums, treat the people themselves politely.

(I notice the term "moral coward" appearing in posts, too. Consider that in some cases it may have taken considerable moral courage to reach the opinion they now hold.)


So not only were you NOT banned for your anti-liberal generalizations, but also the Mods explained that such labels would be treated equally.

So what was your complaint again?

If I ever get over my fear of physical contact, I'll call you up some time, sugar;)

Yay!
Ever seen Police Squad:The Naked Gun?

I don't know about you but this board definitely seem way more liberal than conservative to me. Although personally I don't see the problem since I made many anti liberal comments just to even the odds and I never gotten banned for it.

Speaking of which, calling the mods "pinheads" is probably a bad idea. In fact, calling anyone a pinhead is probably a bad idea

Unless of course you are actually talking to pinhead!

This is a (mostly benevolent) dictatorship ruled by Max Barry and those he delegates to enforce his laws. You want free speech, go make your own forum.

As I stated in a post of mine (now it's in Kryozerkia's sig, iirc), some people are under the impression that this forum is ruled by KGB officers. Love it or leave it, you know.;)

Something I've noticed: It's always the people who seem incapable of not breaking the rules that have a major problem with them.


What an odd coincidence. :rolleyes:

Something I've noticed: It's always the people who seem incapable of not breaking the rules that have a major problem with them.


What an odd coincidence. :rolleyes:

Aha! Gotcha! You're the real identity of Captain Obvious - your secret has been unveiled now!

Aha! Gotcha! You're the real identity of Captain Obvious - your secret has been unveiled now!

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/captainobvious-30189.jpg

Captain Obvious, away!

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.


Pfff. They banned me 100 times. After a while I can return.

The mods are bad, but not that bad.

And are you prepared to read all those ridiculous stuff we are writing? Especial the topics you are not interested in? They have to.

And not for a day or a week, but for some decent time?

Look, sometimes they are really not fair. But so is life.
And most of the time they are doing a great job.

Maybe you can create a t-shirt ‘All the Nationstates Forum Mods are homosexuals’ and wear it when you go to high school.

As I stated in a post of mine (now it's in Kryozerkia's sig, iirc), some people are under the impression that this forum is ruled by KGB officers. Love it or leave it, you know.;)

"I bet most of NSG trolls will take the deletion of DCD as the proof that this forum is full of godless commies and ruled by KGB officers to boot."

This is the quote you're looking for, I believe.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech.
Well, there's your problem right there. You don't have any right to free speech here. This is Max's house. You abide by the rules or you leave.

And as for all the whining about the supposed anti-conservative bias, get over yourself. There's plenty of loud, assertive conservative posters around here. You were unable to participate in a grown-up debate and threw a tantrum that got you banned. Just because you don't have self-control doesn't mean all conservatives lack it.

This is the quote you're looking for, I believe.

It is. Thank you.

Just because you don't have self-control doesn't mean all conservatives lack it.

Bottle, do me a favor and add to your sig "shiatsu mistress of NS General". You're GOOD!

So what was your complaint again?

Maybe this will be his next one. :p

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1545/framedxo2.jpg

Well, there's your problem right there. You don't have any right to free speech here. This is Max's house. You abide by the rules or you leave.

And as for all the whining about the supposed anti-conservative bias, get over yourself. There's plenty of loud, assertive conservative posters around here. You were unable to participate in a grown-up debate and threw a tantrum that got you banned. Just because you don't have self-control doesn't mean all conservatives lack it.

Heh yeah I don't hate Tories, I'm not Torieist, some of my best friends are Tories!

Well, there's your problem right there. You don't have any right to free speech here. This is Max's house. You abide by the rules or you leave.

And as for all the whining about the supposed anti-conservative bias, get over yourself. There's plenty of loud, assertive conservative posters around here. You were unable to participate in a grown-up debate and threw a tantrum that got you banned. Just because you don't have self-control doesn't mean all conservatives lack it.

For a forum with an anti-conservative bias, I find it odd that we have a conservative mod.

For a forum with an anti-conservative bias, I find it odd that we have a conservative mod.

*Walks around the jungle a few days looking for said mod. Spots him in a village.*

Dr. HotRodia, I presume?

*Walks around the jungle a few days looking for said mod. Spots him in a village.*

Dr. HotRodia, I presume?

The giant transforming robot himself.

I don't believe the "ideology" itself is murderous. Please return when you have taken appropriate pains to confront the correct tome on the matter.

You dont believe it?? Give me a "good" example of a communist state?
It doesnt matter how it looks on the paper it matters the way its applied...communism always turned bad. Not a single good example. Please return when you have taken appropriate pains to confront the true reality of communism.:headbang:

In my humble opinion the "hammer and sickle" and the "Che's mug" should be alongside with swastika in the list of forbidden things.

You dont believe it?? Give me a "good" example of a communist state?
It doesnt matter how it looks on the paper it matters the way its applied...communism always turned bad. Not a single good example. Please return when you have taken appropriate pains to confront the true reality of communism.:headbang:

In my humble opinion the "hammer and sickle" and the "Che's mug" should be alongside with swastika in the list of forbidden things.

With the amount of people capitalism has either actively killed in South American dictatorships or starved to death, well, everywhere, I'll accept this idea if you also ban dollar bills.

I keep getting banned from this forum because the pinhead moderator apparently doesn't give a rip about free speech. There are all sorts of double standard rules here, like... it's okay to refer to conservatives in general, as "religious nutcases", but it's not okay to refer to liberals in general, as "scumsucking godless vermin." I fail to see the difference, and I have been booted from the forums twice now, for making a generalized statement, not directed at any individual.

I've read the forum rules, and I have not broken them, yet the mods continue to rule with an iron fist, and insist I conform to their double standard here. I wonder if they realize how they are tainting their board by being prejudiced and censoring viewpoints they don't like? It is no wonder all you find here is one liberal after another, bashing on conservatives and patting each other on the back. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it! Free speech doesn't exist here, this is not a fair an impartial forum, and I will speak out against this tyranny until they ban me completely.

Wahh, liberals never get in touble http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13107441#post13107441

You've been Pwned

I keep trying to convince people that Southerners can be decent, civil, educated and open-minded. Then some wonderful person like Dixieanna will come and destroy all my hard work in one fell swoop. :(

If the mean 'ol liberals make you cry, try a different playground. While there are more liberals here than you are doubtless used to, if you can't stand to be disagreed with, crawl back into whatever backwoods little hole you came out of. We like our conservatives a little tougher and less whiny.

Yes, I'm being insulting. But notice I did it nicely. :p

I keep trying to convince people that Southerners can be decent, civil, educated and open-minded.

But do they have all their teeth? :p

I've never had sloppy make-outs in my life because I'm a severe germophobe and no one has been willing to do the disinfectant thing until you.
Please don't mention parasites, especially in white writing that reminds me of tapeworms.

Out of curiosity, are you RPing Hannelore from Questionable Content (if so, you should probably be informed that this is not an RP forum), or did you pick that name because of your similar issues?

Wow, two pages of responses, and not one person actually defends free speech! I see a lot of gross mischaracterization, even though I clearly stated that my remarks were generalized statements, not directed at any individual. I never referred to a poster as "godless scumsucking vermin" and the remark was made in contrast to "religious nutcases" who it appears is anyone right of Howard Stern. And YES, I find "religious nutcase" just as insulting and vitriolic as "godless scumsucking vermin" would be to a liberal... so it's the same thing! I don't have a problem with these generalizations, as long as we are all allowed to use them. My problem is, when a moderator decides that MY generalizaion is against the rules, while his liberal buddies aren't breaking the rules by doing the exact same thing.

The attitudes reflected in the responses here, proves my point. This place is nothing more than a liberal circle jerk. You all want to sit around bashing conservatives and republicans, while claiming you are giving them a fair forum to discuss the issues of the day. You have no intention of being fair or impartial, you simply want to continue stroking your liberal egos and bashing anything that differs from your twisted leftist viewpoint. You will use this forum to prop up your left-wing lunacy, while browbeating anyone who dares to interject a conservative viewpoint, and you have the able assistance of the moderators in doing this. It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

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As a person that'd describe themselves as a (semi) conservative libertarian (although I'm registered as a Republican, so I can vote in the primaries), I'd like to say that maybe you should re-read the rules and follow them.

Damn straight it's not free speech, in any sense of the word. It's a liberal soapbox, where all conservatives are squelched and ridiculed off the board, or banned for "breaking the rules" when they dare challenge one of you people. I don't need to make my own forum, there are plenty of fair and impartial political forums out there, and that's where I stay most of the time. I don't really give a crap if this forum stays just like it is, it's no skin off my nose, but I would think the administrators would want to have somewhat of a reasonabl, fair, and impartial forum of ideas... maybe not.

All that you said about this forum is simply not true.

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That's fucking great! I LOVE THAT PICTURE!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

YOU WIN THIS THEAD!!

I don't think arguing with him would be worth it even for amusement.

It COULD be amusing enough (especially if LG was the one debating him :D).

That's fucking great! I LOVE THAT PICTURE!!

YOU WIN THIS THEAD!!

Thank you. I'm here all week. Enjoy the show. :D

Thank you. I'm here all week. Enjoy the show. :D

Yay! I dub thee Court Jester. :) Wear it with honour.

Dixieanna, you just don't get it.

Rather, you refuse to get it.

I know why.

You listen to Rush Limbaugh and his continuous claims of being persecuted by the "drive by media" while he takes continuous non-sequitur potshots at anyone who dares disagree with him. You have the same base rhetorical style of "I'm right, you're a moron" that he and his cronies do, and while it's depressing, it's hardly surprising.

I listen to Rush and fellow "oppressed minorities" Lars Larson, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly because NPR cedes the dial to music between 9am and 4pm. I listen to them to hear the ad hominem and post hoc ergo propter hoc nonsense they spew to their rabid fans. They continue to spew it even when someone they invite on as a guest who is nominally on their side actually says they "respect Hillary's political savvy" -- like the man who was on the show Thursday who was a Republican, but not the foaming conservative boilerplater Sean was expecting. Every time the guy (I can't remember his name, and I can't see a way to search the show's archives online) tried to espouse a more moderate opinion about any Democrat, Hannity would try to load another mischaracterization into the guy's mouth, and he was having none of it.

BOTH SIDES are rife with bias and misinformation. I think MoveOn.org's Petreus/Betray Us ad was incredibly stupid and uncalled for. But for the right to complain that Rush is getting singled out for his "phony soldiers" comment is ludicrous.

Dixieanna, you've simply got to open your ears and listen to something else, even if it's only to hear what the "enemy" is saying so that you might be better informed as to what your own radio heroes are talking about.

I'll pray for you.

Are you guys really that blind, if NSG was a chemical mixture it would be homogeneous. :eek::(


Anyone who has a differing opinion from liberalism gets it while lefties can get away with murder. I think Max wanted and environment of equality and one without radical bias for NSG.

Care to offer some proof of this bias? The OP's claims have been rather thoroughly trashed. My guess is you have no better evidence.

All that you said about this forum is simply not true.

Are you guys really that blind, if NSG was a chemical mixture it would be homogeneous. :eek::(


Anyone who has a differing opinion from liberalism gets it while lefties can get away with murder. I think Max wanted and environment of equality and one without radical bias for NSG.

Are you guys really that blind, if NSG was a chemical mixture it would be homogeneous. :eek::(

You realize you're saying this to one of the more conservative posters on NSG, right?


Anyone who has a differing opinion from liberalism gets it while lefties can get away with murder.

Then why haven't you been banned yet?

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As a person that'd describe themselves as a (semi) conservative libertarian (although I'm registered as a Republican, so I can vote in the primaries), I'd like to say that maybe you should re-read the rules and follow them.

[sarcasm]Wow you are quite the civil and rule abiding poster! I'd bet that if he[Dixieanna] posted an irrelevant and insulting picture with a semi-troll below it like you did you wouldn't report him and get him banned.[sarcasm/]

Wow, two pages of responses, and not one person actually defends free speech!

Well, as has been said, but bears repeating, none of us is under the delusion that a privately owned forum is required to provide free speech, and all of us have read the clearly posted rules.

Were you to be addressing an issue where free speech was an actual concern, I think you would find most of us are somewhat rabid supporters.

It's disgusting that you people even think of this as a fair venue.

Which one of us ever claimed it was? Not that it doesn't, in my opinion, come pretty darned close!

However, your claim of liberal bias is not only unsubstantiated by observable fact, but also badly expressed and, in fact, swerves dangerously close to being in violation of those same clearly posted rules.

So no, sorry. No support for you. Nothing is better than free speech; except maybe a nice MLT. Mutton, lettuce, and tomato... but you are asking, nay demanding, something that simply does not apply here.

Anyone who has a differing opinion from liberalism gets it while lefties can get away with murder. I think Max wanted and environment of equality and one without radical bias for NSG.

Whine, whine, whine. That's all you do. If what you said was true, explain Fass and Dobbs, both fairly left on the political spectrum. Both banned.

For that matter, explain why you haven't been banned.

You've just got a victim complex.

Are you guys really that blind, if NSG was a chemical mixture it would be homogeneous. :eek::(


Anyone who has a differing opinion from liberalism gets it while lefties can get away with murder. I think Max wanted and environment of equality and one without radical bias for NSG.

I've never "gotten it", and I'm not liberal (I'd consider myself libertarian). I'm Roman Catholic Christian, I support firearms ownership, eating meat, violent video games, and allowing people to drive whatever car or truck they want. However, some things I don't support are an amendment on the banning of gay marriage (because what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms isn't my business, and it doesn't negatively affect me if gay marriage is allowed), the death penalty (because it costs more to kill a convicted felon than house them for the rest of their lives), and a ban on abortion (as I'm a man, I have no say on what a woman does with their body).

[sarcasm]Wow you are quite the civil and rule abiding poster! I'd bet that if he[Dixieanna] posted an irrelevant and insulting picture with a semi-troll below it like you did you wouldn't report him and get him banned.[sarcasm/]

First off, the picture was meant as a joke (I tend to do that, because I think I'm hilarious). Second off, how was what I said trolling? I merely suggested that he refer to and follow the rules, as he continues to break them.

You dont believe it?? Give me a "good" example of a communist state?

Yugoslavia under Tito.

My parents lived in Skopje for a while, back when Tito was in power. Doesn't sound too bad to me, especially given the country's limited resources.

"scumsucking godless vermin"

Hmm. I actually do not consider that insulting at all. The scumsucking is a bit silly, but not an insult. The godless is a compliment. Vermin is a bit insulting to the actual vermin, seeing how us civilised humans treat our resources, but not to me.

So... *pets the op*. There there, some people do not think you are evil spawn from hell :)

This is a liberal forum for liberals to bash conservatives while calling themselves impartial and fair.

While I did not mind the scumsucking godless vermin, as I posted above, I do mind being called a liberal in the American context. Please educate yourself about political systems to learn there exist thousands of ideologies that are NOT US liberal or US conservative.

I keep trying to convince people that Southerners can be decent, civil, educated and open-minded. Then some wonderful person like Dixieanna will come and destroy all my hard work in one fell swoop. :(

If the mean 'ol liberals make you cry, try a different playground. While there are more liberals here than you are doubtless used to, if you can't stand to be disagreed with, crawl back into whatever backwoods little hole you came out of. We like our conservatives a little tougher and less whiny.

Yes, I'm being insulting. But notice I did it nicely. :p


So, basically what I have gleaned from your retort, and the continued reminders that this forum doesn't offer free speech, is... This is a liberal forum for liberals to bash conservatives while calling themselves impartial and fair. The rule is, you can be as rude and obnoxious toward others as you like, so long as it is done nicely and against a conservative. All social conservatives are religious nutcases, so it is truth not insult, while no liberal is godless... (they all worship Max Barry!)

Is that it?


GREAT! Now I completely understand why this game is so bland and one dimensional, as well as the accompanying forum. Glad to have that understanding, good day!

I think one of the main reasons that you see the bent on NationStates that you do is that moderators tend to boot people that disagree with them over people that agree with them. It isn't that some people don't deserve the boot....it's that others that DO deserve to be booted never are because of their stance.

Out of curiosity, are you RPing Hannelore from Questionable Content (if so, you should probably be informed that this is not an RP forum), or did you pick that name because of your similar issues?

*was/is wondering same thing*

I think one of the main reasons that you see the bent on NationStates that you do is that moderators tend to boot people that disagree with them over people that agree with them. It isn't that some people don't deserve the boot....it's that others that DO deserve to be booted never are because of their stance.

Right, which is why leftists like DCD and Fass have been DEATED off of this board, one permanently.

Oh 23-post-wonder, thou art truly a sage of NS Lore. :rolleyes:

Right, which is why leftists like DCD and Fass have been DEATED off of this board, one permanently.

Oh 23-post-wonder, thou art truly a sage of NS Lore. :rolleyes:

Deus Malum, DON'T confuse the issue with FACTS!! ;)

Deus Malum, DON'T confuse the issue with FACTS!! ;)

I generally try not to, dear, but every now and then one of them slips through.

I'll try harder to stick to rhetoric next time :)

Right, which is why leftists like DCD and Fass have been DEATED off of this board, one permanently.

Oh 23-post-wonder, thou art truly a sage of NS Lore. :rolleyes:

QFT...

I believe there is a subset of the new rightist members attempting to create this idea that NSG is run and operated by lefist, employs leftist mods, and has some personal bias and/or grudge against anything remotely resembling "the right".

None of this is true, but they need to feel that they're being oppressed...

Yesterday I got (rightly) warned by Ardchoille for attacking in a somewhat harsh way a guy that claimed gays should be burned at a stake.

Detail: The guy in question was an ultra-conservative. I'm an ultra-liberal by Brazilian standards, where the mainstream conservative party is a bit to the left of the Democrats.

And yet, Dixie keeps going "wah, unfair treatment".

I think he thinks we'll be unfair until we become Stormfront. A forum to which he's very free to go, if he wishes.

QFT...

I believe there is a subset of the new rightist members attempting to create this idea that NSG is run and operated by lefist, employs leftist mods, and has some personal bias and/or grudge against anything remotely resembling "the right".

None of this is true, but they need to feel that they're being oppressed...

Heh, it's almost a critique of American politics right now. The far right trying to paint everyone who isn't as far right as they are as far left.

Right, which is why leftists like DCD and Fass have been DEATED off of this board, one permanently.

Oh 23-post-wonder, thou art truly a sage of NS Lore. :rolleyes:


What exactly does it have to do with them? I never said that no left-leaning posters have ever been given the boot.

Oh yes, 23-post-wonder....because the number of posts since returning to nationstates means what exactly? That's right: nothing, and you know it.

That is the whole reason I left NationStates the second time. The first, I just had too many demands on my time, so I left until I had more free time. The second time, I witnessed a couple instances of two posters saying the same thing.....only one got booted each time, but in neither case could the moderator be convince to boot the one they agreed with.

Even if I had never posted under the previous names, the number of posts means absolutely nothing compared to the content. I mean, you have thousands of posts and still don't have anything more useful to say than making fun of others based on number of posts????

I think one of the main reasons that you see the bent on NationStates that you do is that moderators tend to boot people that disagree with them over people that agree with them. It isn't that some people don't deserve the boot....it's that others that DO deserve to be booted never are because of their stance.

Not only have "leftists" been perma baned before but the mods but the political viewpoints of the mods themselfs are all over the board

That is the whole reason I left NationStates the second time. The first, I just had too many demands on my time, so I left until I had more free time. The second time, I witnessed a couple instances of two posters saying the same thing.....only one got booted each time, but in neither case could the moderator be convince to boot the one they agreed with.


I would need to see links to be convinced of this happening... I've been subject to mod discipline before, and I don't believe what you're saying.

Snip.

Your premise is that the mods will ban people for disagreeing with them.

Okay.

Katganistan, which is somewhat to the left in the spectrum, is here claiming (rightly so) that there is no such bias.

You're disagreeing with her, as you likely do on most issues.

And yet... You're still here.

And there goes your premise.

It's cute when they act like that.

I could go a step further, Heikoku.

There is, by his own admission, a conservative mod on NSG. Loveable, curmudgeonly Transformer-guy.

How have the other, more leftist mods not banded together to ban him for disagreeing with them? Is it because a rip in the time-space continuum would for?

Or, more realistically, because the premise is patent bullshit.

I could go a step further, Heikoku.

There is, by his own admission, a conservative mod on NSG. Loveable, curmudgeonly Transformer-guy.

How have the other, more leftist mods not banded together to ban him for disagreeing with them? Is it because a rip in the time-space continuum would for?

Or, more realistically, because the premise is patent bullshit.

I'm not the only conservative on the squad, or even the most conservative...just the one who's more open to debating my political views in General.

There are some NS Mods who happen to be more liberal in their politics, some who tend to be more moderate, and some who tend to be more conservative, some who tend to be more libertarian, etc. There's not an overwhelming majority that I can see.

So you're right, the premise is bullshit.

I'm not the only conservative on the squad, or even the most conservative...just the one who's more open to debating my political views in General.

There are some NS Mods who happen to be more liberal in their politics, some who tend to be more moderate, and some who tend to be more conservative, some who tend to be more libertarian, etc. There's not an overwhelming majority that I can see.

So you're right, the premise is bullshit.

You're preaching to the choir.

Now convince the whiny-con crowd of that.

Snip.

Awww, but I WANT a rip in the space-time continuum! :(

You're preaching to the choir.

Now convince the whiny-con crowd of that.

I was trying to, mate. Information without confrontation generally works better for convincing folks, and you provided me with a good opportunity to slip the information in there.

Awww, but I WANT a rip in the space-time continuum! :(

Find a conservative Mod on MoveOn.org?

Snip.

Hey, Hotrodia, do me a favor? You're a conservative, I'm a liberal, we both want Dixie to shut up. Ban me for some 2 minutes (and make sure it doesn't show on my record)?

I'll even give you an idealized excuse to ban me "for being liberal".

Here:

"Uhm, I think Kerry should have been elected."

Heikoku, why do you support the murder of homosexual people, and the enslavement of Japanese?

Heikoku, why do you support the murder of homosexual people, and the enslavement of Japanese?

o_o...

I don't, and I don't. Heikoku is composed of Hei (peace) and koku (country). Where exactly have you got the crazy notion that I defend either? Unless that's a thinly-veiled attempt at flaming or flamebaiting me, right in front of the mods.

o_o...

I don't, and I don't. Heikoku is composed of Hei (peace) and koku (country). Where exactly have you got the crazy notion that I defend either? Unless that's a thinly-veiled attempt at flaming or flamebaiting me, right in front of the mods.


Yes you do. I figure, if you can claim the authority to determine what I have to say, then I have the authority to determine what you have to say.

Nowhere have I ever said that mods boot people for their political beliefs....yet you somehow get the crazy idea that I do. What is worse is that you claim something that is just not true.

You have a choice, you can stick to what has actually been said....or you can continue to make things up, in which case those are the things that I am making up for you.

o_o...

I don't, and I don't. Heikoku is composed of Hei (peace) and koku (country). Where exactly have you got the crazy notion that I defend either? Unless that's a thinly-veiled attempt at flaming or flamebaiting me, right in front of the mods.

It's probably another vain, self-righteous attempt to get banned so he can whine about being banned by the mods again. You know, like the people who cut themselves before going to protests, so that when they get pushed around in the crowd they can flick open the wounds and bitch about how either the cops, or the protesters injured him.

Which is why I'm dubbing this particular class of conservatives the whiny-con. I invite the rest of you to join me.

Snip.

Then what DID you say?

Edit: Oh, right. You DID say that. Ah well.

I think one of the main reasons that you see the bent on NationStates that you do is that moderators tend to boot people that disagree with them over people that agree with them. It isn't that some people don't deserve the boot....it's that others that DO deserve to be booted never are because of their stance.

Yes you do. I figure, if you can claim the authority to determine what I have to say, then I have the authority to determine what you have to say.

Nowhere have I ever said that mods boot people for their political beliefs....yet you somehow get the crazy idea that I do. What is worse is that you claim something that is just not true.

You have a choice, you can stick to what has actually been said....or you can continue to make things up, in which case those are the things that I am making up for you.

Wow. You do realize you said this ONE PAGE back, right? And that we can very easily see that post?

So either you're suffering from Memento-esque short-term memory problems, or you've decided to stoop to lying.

Like I said, Deus, if you actually bothered to read my posts, is that they boot people they disagree with more than people they agree with for the same offense.

So either you don't care about what I actually said, or you are not capable of the reading comprehension part.

Like I said, Deus, if you actually bothered to read my posts, is that they boot people they disagree with more than people they agree with for the same offense.

So either you don't care about what I actually said, or you are not capable of the reading comprehension part.

Have any evidence?

Sorry upward, but when i left last year, i didn't feel that the forum was important enough for me to save information about the forums on my computer for use at some later date. I brought it to the attention of mods then, and they didn't care, so I doubt they would care now.

Like I said, Deus, if you actually bothered to read my posts, is that they boot people they disagree with more than people they agree with for the same offense.

So either you don't care about what I actually said, or you are not capable of the reading comprehension part.

You mentioned some vague tendency of one over the other. So either you don't understand that, since you claim they "boot people they disagree with more than people they agree with for the same offense." you imply very heavily that they have a bias towards one over the other, or you're being intentionally obtuse.

Sorry upward, but when i left last year, i didn't feel that the forum was important enough for me to save information about the forums on my computer for use at some later date. I brought it to the attention of mods then, and they didn't care, so I doubt they would care now.

The data is still in existence if it was posted... you would not have to had saved it

Either way I really did not expect any cohesive display of evidence ... at least any that stood up to the light of day.

Sorry upward, but when i left last year, i didn't feel that the forum was important enough for me to save information about the forums on my computer for use at some later date. I brought it to the attention of mods then, and they didn't care, so I doubt they would care now.

So, you couldn't provide even names of people that this happened to?

You can conveniently complain of mod bias, claim to witness it, but provide absolutely no corroborating evidence past claims....

This is not surprising.

I blame Neo Citron.

I'm not the only conservative on the squad, or even the most conservative...just the one who's more open to debating my political views in General.

There are some NS Mods who happen to be more liberal in their politics, some who tend to be more moderate, and some who tend to be more conservative, some who tend to be more libertarian, etc. There's not an overwhelming majority that I can see.

So you're right, the premise is bullshit.

OMG! WHY HAVE I NOT YET ANNIHILATED YOU?!!!!

Oh, that's right -- 'cause actually though we disagree politically, I happen to think pretty highly of you.

Hmmm, I wonder who Grebc possibly could be, since s/he keeps mentioning being here formerly but doesn't reveal his/her former nation, or provide anything resembling a starting point for demonstrating their assertion that mods boot those whom they disagree with.

OMG! WHY HAVE I NOT YET ANNIHILATED YOU?!!!!

Oh, that's right -- 'cause actually though we disagree politically, I happen to think pretty highly of you.


That'd be pretty epic though. Mods having a civil war. Not that I'm advocating one, but it'd be epic to see.

That'd be pretty epic though. Mods having a civil war. Not that I'm advocating one, but it'd be epic to see.

No no! If the Mods fight, then they might get a divorce, and who would get custody of all us Generalites? It is too gruesome to comprehend!

OMG! WHY HAVE I NOT YET ANNIHILATED YOU?!!!!

Oh, that's right -- 'cause actually though we disagree politically, I happen to think pretty highly of you.

Hmmm, I wonder who Grebc possibly could be, since s/he keeps mentioning being here formerly but doesn't reveal his/her former nation, or provide anything resembling a starting point for demonstrating their assertion that mods boot those whom they disagree with.

LIAR!

We all know there is only one mod and the rest are puppets!

It's part of the conspiracy!

http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/shifty.gif

:eek:

Who's the mod? and who are the puppets?

And which came first, the chicken or the egg? :confused:



*EDIT* I think the fact that my post comes before Kat's proves my point! Ha! Or something!

LIAR!

We all know there is only one mod and the rest are puppets!

It's part of the conspiracy!

http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/shifty.gif

:eek:

Who's the mod? and who are the puppets?

So, basically what I have gleaned from your retort, and the continued reminders that this forum doesn't offer free speech, is... This is a liberal forum for liberals to bash conservatives while calling themselves impartial and fair. The rule is, you can be as rude and obnoxious toward others as you like, so long as it is done nicely and against a conservative. All social conservatives are religious nutcases, so it is truth not insult, while no liberal is godless... (they all worship Max Barry!)

Is that it?


GREAT! Now I completely understand why this game is so bland and one dimensional, as well as the accompanying forum. Glad to have that understanding, good day!

You have some gall to post in this thread without answering the posts by me and Poliwancraca that show you are lying about how you have been treated by the Mods. Such as this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106616&postcount=64), this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106867&postcount=80), and this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106908&postcount=83).

Your claims of a vast liberal conspiracy have not only not been documented by you, they have also been shown to be false.

But, if you hate this Forum so much, don't play here.

Sorry upward, but when i left last year, i didn't feel that the forum was important enough for me to save information about the forums on my computer for use at some later date. I brought it to the attention of mods then, and they didn't care, so I doubt they would care now.

So the answer is NO, you don't have any evidence.

Perhaps if you tell us you were, we can look any alleged evidence up for ourselves. I think it likely your claims will prove no more true than Dixieanna's lies.

:eek:

Who's the mod? and who are the puppets?

There are no mods in NSG. You're actually an advanced series of bot written by the great guru Max Barry himself.

That ice cream cake you had on your 12th birthday party? Memory implants to make you seem more real. You're a construct along with all the others put together to enforce Maxtonian law and order.

:p

The rule is, you can be as rude and obnoxious toward others as you like, so long as it is done nicely

lol wut

So, basically what I have gleaned from your retort, and the continued reminders that this forum doesn't offer free speech, is... This is a liberal forum for liberals to bash conservatives while calling themselves impartial and fair.

WRONG!

The rule is, you can be as rude and obnoxious toward others as you like, so long as it is done nicely and against a conservative.

Tell that to Fass who just got himself deated.

All social conservatives are religious nutcases, so it is truth not insult, while no liberal is godless... (they all worship Max Barry!)

Is that it?

Nope

GREAT! Now I completely understand why this game is so bland and one dimensional, as well as the accompanying forum. Glad to have that understanding, good day!

So long.

QFT...

I believe there is a subset of the new rightist members attempting to create this idea that NSG is run and operated by lefist, employs leftist mods, and has some personal bias and/or grudge against anything remotely resembling "the right".

None of this is true, but they need to feel that they're being oppressed...

And why veterans tend to shy away from them because of this victim complex.

Heh, it's almost a critique of American politics right now. The far right trying to paint everyone who isn't as far right as they are as far left.

This may shock everyone but...

QFT

It's probably another vain, self-righteous attempt to get banned so he can whine about being banned by the mods again. You know, like the people who cut themselves before going to protests, so that when they get pushed around in the crowd they can flick open the wounds and bitch about how either the cops, or the protesters injured him.

Which is why I'm dubbing this particular class of conservatives the whiny-con. I invite the rest of you to join me.

I'm in.

This may shock everyone but...

QFT

My jaw just hit the floor :D

So, basically what I have gleaned from your retort, and the continued reminders that this forum doesn't offer free speech, is... This is a liberal forum for liberals to bash conservatives while calling themselves impartial and fair. The rule is, you can be as rude and obnoxious toward others as you like, so long as it is done nicely and against a conservative. All social conservatives are religious nutcases, so it is truth not insult, while no liberal is godless... (they all worship Max Barry!)

Is that it?


GREAT! Now I completely understand why this game is so bland and one dimensional, as well as the accompanying forum. Glad to have that understanding, good day!

I resubmit proof that you are wrong.

Wahh, liberals never get in touble http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post13107441
You've been Pwned

I resubmit proof that you are wrong.

Wahh, liberals never get in touble http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post13107441
You've been Pwned

Dead link, FYI.

This may shock everyone but...

QFT

Sure shocked me. o_o

There are no mods in NSG. You're actually an advanced series of bot written by the great guru Max Barry himself.

That ice cream cake you had on your 12th birthday party? Memory implants to make you seem more real. You're a construct along with all the others put together to enforce Maxtonian law and order.

:p

You know, I kinda wanna go watch Blade Runner right now...

You have some gall to post in this thread without answering the posts by me and Poliwancraca that show you are lying about how you have been treated by the Mods. Such as this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106616&postcount=64), this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106867&postcount=80), and this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13106908&postcount=83).

Your claims of a vast liberal conspiracy have not only not been documented by you, they have also been shown to be false.

But, if you hate this Forum so much, don't play here.

Woohoo, pwnd again. Last time someone was pounded like this it involved a boat and a white trash rocker steering with his winkie.

Dead link, FYI.

That was kind of you Sir. Anyhow, my link was to the moderation about Fass been deleted. Proving once again that Dixiana is FOS. Now that's not a flame because he is in fact FOS. It has been shown to him by many in this very thread that the facts are contrary to his assertions.

Oh, and Dix, I'm a moderately slight right leaning Libertarian and no liberal at all. I've found NSG to be a vey fair place and have been mod warned only once. I sure as hell deserved it too. If you can play by the rules you can hold any viewpoint you want. We also reserve the right to respond and disprove you with evidence. If you have already left NSG then farewell. I'm sure someone here will miss you.

LIAR!

We all know there is only one mod and the rest are puppets!

It's part of the conspiracy!

http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/shifty.gif

Teh Furst Kommandment of NSGism: "I am the Lord thy Mod. Though shalt not take any other Mods before me."

;)

That was kind of you Sir. Anyhow, my link was to the moderation about Fass been deleted. Proving once again that Dixiana is FOS. Now that's not a flame because he is in fact FOS. It has been shown to him by many in this very thread that the facts are contrary to his assertions.

Oh, and Dix, I'm a moderately slight right leaning Libertarian and no liberal at all. I've found NSG to be a vey fair place and have been mod warned only once. I sure as hell deserved it too. If you can play by the rules you can hold any viewpoint you want. We also reserve the right to respond and disprove you with evidence. If you have already left NSG then farewell. I'm sure someone here will miss you.

It's all good. That's what I kind of figured it pointed to, but as it was a dead link, it seemed prudent to point it out for your benefit. Either to put in a working link, or explain the content of the link. *nod*

Does anyone remember when the red arrow claimed the mods had kidnapped max barry in some type of neoconservative plot?

I think one of the main reasons that you see the bent on NationStates that you do is that moderators tend to boot people that disagree with them over people that agree with them. It isn't that some people don't deserve the boot....it's that others that DO deserve to be booted never are because of their stance.

You haven't been here long enough to know who has been booted for what. I suspect you're either Dixieanna outright, or you're a friend who's been told to come in here and get all defensive. Wah, on both counts.

What exactly does it have to do with them? I never said that no left-leaning posters have ever been given the boot.

But you implied the living hell out of that idea, for sure.

Oh yes, 23-post-wonder....because the number of posts since returning to nationstates means what exactly? That's right: nothing, and you know it.

That is the whole reason I left NationStates the second time. The first, I just had too many demands on my time, so I left until I had more free time. The second time, I witnessed a couple instances of two posters saying the same thing.....only one got booted each time, but in neither case could the moderator be convince to boot the one they agreed with.

Even if I had never posted under the previous names, the number of posts means absolutely nothing compared to the content. I mean, you have thousands of posts and still don't have anything more useful to say than making fun of others based on number of posts????

You're right in that the number of posts has nothing to do with much of anything but how often you hit "Submit Reply". However, the length of your stay -- September 2007 -- makes it easy to relegate you to the trash-heap of uninformed and inexperienced whiny-cons and n00berals.

Sorry upward, but when i left last year, i didn't feel that the forum was important enough for me to save information about the forums on my computer for use at some later date. I brought it to the attention of mods then, and they didn't care, so I doubt they would care now.

TRANSLATION: "I was never here before and I'm inventing this stuff using my anus as a test tube."

Had you been here before for any decent length of time (say, longer than a month), you'd know that proof of your horseshit would be easy to find. But you must know at least that much, because you're not giving any names or incidents which could indeed be looked up and verified. So even if you ARE telling the truth, it's impossible to believe you because you've not even done something as simple as give us a name or a time period to research in order to determine whether or not you have a valid point.

Therefore, we are FORCED to assume you to be completely full of shit. And your attitude makes that assumption a pleasure to make.

Does anyone remember when the red arrow claimed the mods had kidnapped max barry in some type of neoconservative plot?

Seriously?

Everyone knows this is a Circle Jerk of Liberal Speech run by the ONE mod......

My jaw just hit the floor :D

hehe.

Everyone knows this is a Circle Jerk of Liberal Speech run by the ONE mod......

I'm sorry, but I must..

OH MY GOD IT'S NEO K!!!!!

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

You know, I kinda wanna go watch Blade Runner right now...

*quietly places a tin-foil unicorn on Deus Malum's piano...*

You haven't been here long enough to know who has been booted for what. I suspect you're either Dixieanna outright, or you're a friend who's been told to come in here and get all defensive. Wah, on both counts.



But you implied the living hell out of that idea, for sure.



You're right in that the number of posts has nothing to do with much of anything but how often you hit "Submit Reply". However, the length of your stay -- September 2007 -- makes it easy to relegate you to the trash-heap of uninformed and inexperienced whiny-cons and n00berals.



TRANSLATION: "I was never here before and I'm inventing this stuff using my anus as a test tube."

Had you been here before for any decent length of time (say, longer than a month), you'd know that proof of your horseshit would be easy to find. But you must know at least that much, because you're not giving any names or incidents which could indeed be looked up and verified. So even if you ARE telling the truth, it's impossible to believe you because you've not even done something as simple as give us a name or a time period to research in order to determine whether or not you have a valid point.

Therefore, we are FORCED to assume you to be completely full of shit. And your attitude makes that assumption a pleasure to make.

AHEM. Chill.

I'm sorry, but I must..

OH MY GOD IT'S NEO K!!!!!

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Yes, it is I. Now back to topic.

Does anyone remember when the red arrow claimed the mods had kidnapped max barry in some type of neoconservative plot?

>.>

<.<

nope, nope, didn't hear that, nope not one smidgen of info... nope, I didn't hear that...


the mods are our friends, the mods care for us. We love our friend the mods.