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In the thread I participated in yesterday, a subject was brought up briefly concerning human unity. My question is: is Human Unity possible? Or are the cultures of the world so completely different that there is no way for us ever to be united. (Short of some Independence Day shit; but as soon as we kicked alien ass we would be back to our old ways I'm sure.) I think the end of archaic practices involving religion would be a step in the right direction for human unity, but I want your opinion. Is it possible?



[Oh, and I don't need any One World Order stuff, that shits retarded. I just mean basic human unity, you know, NO MORE WAR. No more genecide, or racism.]

Nope it will never happen. Well perhaps it will but I'd be counting in the 100 of thousand years.

Give it time. Racist, bloodthirsty people will just die off. Sexual selection, ya know.

Give it time. Racist, bloodthirsty people will just die off. Sexual selection, ya know.

Hopefully, but with all the inbreeding they may last just long enough to...

Nope it will never happen. Well perhaps it will but I'd be counting in the 100 of thousand years.

Well. Thats depressing. :(

Give it time. Racist, bloodthirsty people will just die off. Sexual selection, ya know.

Wouldn't that have to assume that genetics are the cause of bigotry?

Wouldn't that have to assume that genetics are the cause of bigotry?

Yeah it would, another solution would be to take children away from their racist, retarded, redneck parents and raise them in an atmosphere where they can be away from all the brainwashing bigotry.

[Reeducation is too strong a word for it, but I guess that is what it is.]

Here in Sweden, murderers never have problems finding girls. Hopefully, that doesn´t mean we´re all going to be racist, bloodthirsty people in a couple of decades. :D

No, you'll all just be batshit insane. :)

Give it time. Racist, bloodthirsty people will just die off. Sexual selection, ya know.

Here in Sweden, murderers never have problems finding girls. Hopefully, that doesn´t mean we´re all going to be racist, bloodthirsty people in a couple of decades. :D

Has there been any indication in the last -- say 10,000 years -- that the trend is toward more peaceful existence? I don't think so. I'd say we were more likely to exterminate ourselves in the next 10,000 years than we are likely to live peacefully with each other.

I suppose your probably right, but here we like happy thoughts.

Has there been any indication in the last -- say 10,000 years -- that the trend is toward more peaceful existence? I don't think so. I'd say we were more likely to exterminate ourselves in the next 10,000 years than we are likely to live peacefully with each other.

I think the end of archaic practices involving religion would be a step in the right direction for human unity
I suppose language is archaic, too. And so is drawing! Who needs a pencil and paper when you can get a computer program to do it for you?

Or am I just leaping to conclusions, and reading things where there aren't things on your quotes? I can never tell on this forum.

I suppose language is archaic, too. And so is drawing! Who needs a pencil and paper when you can get a computer program to do it for you?

Or am I just leaping to conclusions, and reading things where there aren't things on your quotes? I can never tell on this forum.

What does writing have to do with anything? By archaic practices I mean all the ritualism and the megalomania involved with some religions. (*cough* the Catholic Church. They think they are so much better than everybody else.) I figure humans have evolved well past the point where we need religion.

Writing and drawing are some of the oldest practices of humans, probably as old as religion itself.

Also, I have never, not once, seen any data to suggest that Humans have 'evolved' past religion. In fact, new research has shown that Humans may have a natural tendency towards religion. Humans may not need religion (the point is moot) but Humans certainly want religion. For there to be an evolutionary tendency for mass amounts of Humans to want religion, then it must serve some purpose.

Writing and drawing are some of the oldest practices of humans, probably as old as religion itself.


Archaic means outdated more than simply old

What does writing have to do with anything? By archaic practices I mean all the ritualism and the megalomania involved with some religions. (*cough* the Catholic Church. They think they are so much better than everybody else.) I figure humans have evolved well past the point where we need religion.

Then why is religion so pervasive?

There will always be difference, and there will always be social grouping. People just move from one concept of social group to another. Of course with every social grouping there will always be conflicts. Just look at the extreme liberals vs the extreme conservatives? Hard to think they will get along with each other anytime soon.

Then why is religion so pervasive?

Because we allow it to be.

Nope it will never happen. Well perhaps it will but I'd be counting in the 100 of thousand years.

You need nothing more then one strong maniacal world leader to make it happen. Hey Hitler almost did it! Though, no one said unity had to be a good thing. Honestly though, the only way it would effectively ever happen is through war. Then again, almost every great nation has been born out of war..

You need nothing more then one strong maniacal world leader to make it happen. Hey Hitler almost did it! Though, no one said unity had to be a good thing. Honestly though, the only way it would effectively ever happen is through war. Then again, almost every great nation has been born out of war..

True. But if humanity does not learn how to control its collective temper than we are all doomed.

I have no need or wish to be united with the whole world. I am happy with just the European Union.

No, you'll all just be batshit insane. :)

We have been that since 1814. :D

I have no need or wish to be united with the whole world. I am happy with just the European Union.

I didn't mean we had to be united politically, but united in the sense that we as a species must work to preserve our own existence and finally put an end to the international pissing contest that has been going on for thousands of years.

We have been that since 1814. :D

That explains alot. ;)

Give it time. Racist, bloodthirsty people will just die off. Sexual selection, ya know.I'm afraid you're being quite naive there. In two regards; firstly, regarding the extent of such sexual selection - as long as there are such people to go along with each other, they won't diminish much. And secondly, such behavior stems from basic human nature, of which it'd most likely take quite a bit of engineering to change in terms of basic human behavior and instinct enough for people to stop displaying such behavior as a cultural phenomenom that sparks anew as much as it wanes. It's not as simple a matter as a breed of "bad" people among a breed of better people; such stuff can arise almost anywhere given the right conditions. Most, almost, or perhaps even all people are born with everything they'd need to potentially become the most vile, ironically termed "inhuman", beings imaginable.

What does writing have to do with anything? By archaic practices I mean all the ritualism and the megalomania involved with some religions. (*cough* the Catholic Church. They think they are so much better than everybody else.) I figure humans have evolved well past the point where we need religion.

I doubt we will ever be at that point. Because of our ability to question, what is.., humans require faith in something for balance. Whether it be the idea of science, or god we need to belive in something to balance the desire to question who and why we are.

I didn't mean we had to be united politically, but united in the sense that we as a species must work to preserve our own existence and finally put an end to the international pissing contest that has been going on for thousands of years.

What pissing contest are you refering to?

Jesus saves and redeems cash prizes.

It like a childish game only our existence hangs in the balance.

Naaaaa I don't belive it does.

What pissing contest are you refering to?

For thousands of years humans have made war on each other for the dumbest of reasons. Some do it for fun, some just because they can (BUSH!) some because thier simply bored. I refer to that as an international pissing contest; one where humans are constantly competeing to be better than everyone else. It like a childish game only our existence hangs in the balance.

I doubt we will ever be at that point. Because of our ability to question, what is.., humans require faith in something for balance. Whether it be the idea of science, or god we need to belive in something to balance the desire to question who and why we are.

Maybe. Why do we need an answer for our existence though. Most likely it was because some micro-organism got lucky and over millions of years has evolved to dominate the planet. (God didnt' put us here for sure, at least thats what I think)

For thousands of years humans have made war on each other for the dumbest of reasons. Some do it for fun, some just because they can (BUSH!) some because thier simply bored. I refer to that as an international pissing contest; one where humans are constantly competeing to be better than everyone else. It like a childish game only our existence hangs in the balance.

If we have been doing it for thousands of years our existance seem to do pretty well. :)

Jesus saves and redeems cash prizes.

Then he owes me some cash.

If we have been doing it for thousands of years our existance seem to do pretty well. :)

This is true, but name another point in history when we had the ability to wipe ourselves out entirely. In anciet times right up to the early 1900's we had the ability to destroy a lot of stuff but we couldn't destroy ourselves. Now we have thermonuclear weapons and other fun toys that can destroy the planet in minutes.

All we need is one crazy asshat nutjob in power and we're finished.

We have become too complacent. An average joe doesnt have to worry about basic needs like food, sleep, shelter etc. That frees up a lot of time to think about how different the other average shmoe is...

The only way we can be temporarily united is if we have a common enemy( say religion) That might be something to work towards.

I just hope we're still around in my lifetime...

Nope it will never happen. Well perhaps it will but I'd be counting in the 100 of thousand years.It could happen, but it would have to happen by force - of intellect as well as the physical kind. Say, mad scientists taking over the world. Doesn't seem a likely course of history at this point, but you can always hope. ;)

This is true, but name another point in history when we had the ability to wipe ourselves out entirely. In anciet times right up to the early 1900's we had the ability to destroy a lot of stuff but we couldn't destroy ourselves. Now we have thermonuclear weapons and other fun toys that can destroy the planet in minutes.

All we need is one crazy asshat nutjob in power and we're finished.

Yeah, but we survived the Cold War, didn´t we? So we will probably survive a couple of more years. ;)

Because we allow it to be.
B.S. Who is 'we'? The government? Society?

UNITE HUMANITY!

(i.e., agree with me.)

But seriously, if history is any guide, it is not the idea of a united human race that is the big problem. It is people deciding they are actually great enough to do it.

I'm sure we'll either learn to tolerate each other or exterminate ourselves.

At first only a couple superpowers had nukes now more and more nations are getting them. A couple superpowers could act responsibly but when a lot of nations get nukes someone will either use them or leak to the black market and sooner or later.

At first very few laboratories had the capacity to genetically engineer bacteria and viruses but gene technology is becoming more widespread and resource efficient. Sooner or later the technology will be so cheap and common that any biology student could engineer a global killer virus.

I think we will keep discovering more and more ways to exterminate ourselves and then those ways will become cheaper and more widespread with time. A couple hundred years from now it will be possible to wipe out humanity with equipment most people could afford. If by that time there are still even a few who would want to do that then we are doomed.


"Global unity" is a contradiction though, "world peace" is a better term for it. The difference between those who are united and those who are not is that the united ones are in the team/club/group/gang while the others are outsiders. If everyone are in the club then there is no club. If there is global unity then there is no unity at all.

The only possibility for human unity is when Satan returns to rule the world. Then we'll be too busy learning how to become Gods to bother hurting each other overmuch. There won't be any Jews though(they'll all be dead.) Oh well guess you can't please everybody...would you really want to though?

Here's to humanities Godhood!:D

I sincerely doubt that humanity will ever stop it's infighting before nature or our own stupidity finish us off as a species.

Shame really...

[Oh, and I don't need any One World Order stuff, that shits retarded. I just mean basic human unity, you know, NO MORE WAR. No more genecide, or racism.]

Short of one world order unity is impossible. Especially not under a democratic government. Can you even begin to imagine how many political parties we would have and the instability that would result?

I hope not.

I thought about this a little lately and decided that whilst human unity it might be nice, it's too much of putting all your eggs in one basket. If this one world government or culture or whatever it is gets unpleasant, you're in a spot of trouble.

True. I think human unity would be easier if there weren't so many of us. 6 million is a hell of a lot easier to unite than 6-7 billion.

I hope not.

Don't tase me bro!

Ah, I love that! [refering to your sig]

I thought about this a little lately and decided that whilst human unity it might be nice, it's too much of putting all your eggs in one basket. If this one world government or culture or whatever it is gets unpleasant, you're in a spot of trouble.

No more war or racism or genocide wouldn't count as unity IMO. Many countries have at least two of the three at least internally but remain not really united.

I thought about this a little lately and decided that whilst human unity it might be nice, it's too much of putting all your eggs in one basket. If this one world government or culture or whatever it is gets unpleasant, you're in a spot of trouble.

No more war or racism or genocide wouldn't count as unity IMO. Many countries have at least two of the three at least internally but remain not really united.

Your right. I probably confused a lot of people because of that. When it comes right down to it, I was wondering if humanity as a species in and of itself could ever be united. Not neccesarily (spelled wrong) under a common banner but really just as a species, as a people. Thats why I added the part about the end of war and racism and ethnic cleansing (Genocide).