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They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

However fratricide is not that unusual a crime in stressed situations, unfortunately.

yup.

both are Semites

and both languages are Semitic languages

No shit.

No shit.

Yup.

But I bet most of us living in the US don't know that.

They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

This is far from new news...

This is far from new news...

It's new to me.

It's new to me.

You missed the Ishmael and Issac?

All humans descend from the same genetic stock, I fail to see how this means I shouldn't kill them.

I would never kill my brother.

If you're willing to think of it like that, humans are all practically genetically identical, save for a few really miniscule changes, here and there. Best not be killing any humans from now on!

both are SemitesJews have not mingled with others during their time in Europe?

If you're willing to think of it like that, humans are all practically genetically identical, save for a few really miniscule changes, here and there. Best not be killing any humans from now on!

Ok. But I didn't kill a lot humans last week!

You missed the Ishmael and Issac?

This is kind of a funny irony. Here we have a basic historical fact (the genetic link, not necessarily the biblical tale supporting it) which happens to be known to every bible thumping Christian fundamentalist in the US.

But much of the rest of the world is ignorant of it.

Especially in the middle east, where Jews are considered European even though about a million of them were thrown out or driven out of other middle eastern nations.

Lesson: never be surprised when people dismissed as ignorant turn out to know things you don't.

Of course, even if Jews were acknowledged to be of middle eastern descent, it wouldn't help the situation. After all, the Q'uran itself names Israel as the home of the Jews, and THAT hasn't helped, either.

Ok. But I didn't kill a lot humans last week!

Excellent! Now keep that pattern up for a whole month, and maybe, just maybe we can make a pacifist out of you yet! :p

If you're willing to think of it like that, humans are all practically genetically identical, save for a few really miniscule changes, here and there. Best not be killing any humans from now on!In other news: water is wet!!

Anyway, you say this like the reason not to kill people is because they're biologically similar to you. IIRC 52% of the genetic makeup of a Zebra is identical to that of a human being. Now I may be a vegan, but even the genetic makeup of salad is similar to that of a human being. Not that I can remember how similar, but I'm fairly confident it's in the double digit percentage.

Jews have not mingled with others during their time in Europe?Probably not very many of the ones who stayed in the Middle East ;)

Jews, Muslims, and Christians follow many of the same basic precepts, this has never stopped any of them from hating on each other.

Person 1: I like strawberry ice-cream
Person 2: I prefer chocolate ice-cream
Person 1: Die mothafucker!

In other news: water is wet!!

Anyway, you say this like the reason not to kill people is because they're biologically similar to you. IIRC 52% of the genetic makeup of a Zebra is identical to that of a human being. Now I may be a vegan, but even the genetic makeup of salad is similar to that of a human being. Not that I can remember how similar, but I'm fairly confident it's in the double digit percentage.

Well, yes. This is why I am not a farmer. I can't stand to see those poor veggies being brutally slaughtered on their way to their brother's plates. I only eat synthetically produced dirt, my self.

In other news: water is wet!!

Anyway, you say this like the reason not to kill people is because they're biologically similar to you. IIRC 52% of the genetic makeup of a Zebra is identical to that of a human being.

I knew it! I swear I will never murder a Zebra.

Cows, chickens, pigs... what can I say, I am inconsistent, you are doomed.

I knew it! I swear I will never murder a Zebra.

Cows, chickens, pigs... what can I say, I am inconsistent, you are doomed.

I want to kill something. Today!

What a motherfuckin' shock.

If you're willing to think of it like that, humans are all practically genetically identical, save for a few really miniscule changes, here and there. Best not be killing any humans from now on!

...These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live...

This is kind of a funny irony. Here we have a basic historical fact (the genetic link, not necessarily the biblical tale supporting it) which happens to be known to every bible thumping Christian fundamentalist in the US.

But much of the rest of the world is ignorant of it.

Especially in the middle east, where Jews are considered European even though about a million of them were thrown out or driven out of other middle eastern nations.

Lesson: never be surprised when people dismissed as ignorant turn out to know things you don't.

Of course, even if Jews were acknowledged to be of middle eastern descent, it wouldn't help the situation. After all, the Q'uran itself names Israel as the home of the Jews, and THAT hasn't helped, either.

Not using it to bolster fundamentalist christians, because my feeling of their ilk is well documented. But I was bringing it up from the point that that particular story has been well documented through the Bible, Koran and through general lore that the two are related "tribes" for quite some time.

It further shows how absurd it is to claim the title of "Semite" upon jews but ignore it upon arabs. If you're anti-arab, you're an antisemite as well

It further shows how absurd it is to claim the title of "Semite" upon jews but ignore it upon arabs. If you're anti-arab, you're an antisemite as well

Words mean what we use them to mean. Anti-Semite has come to mean "anti-jewish" in general conversation, so that is what it means, regardless of the actual anthropological delineation of semitic culture and genetics. Just like, when we say "Butler" we do not mean "The man in charge of the booze" even though the word originated from "Bottler". And telephones still have "Dial tones" but no dials! (And cell phones have
ring tones- but nothing actually rings!) Meanings shift, life goes on, ten generations from now who knows what "mouse" will mean?

They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

What else is new? For Pete's sake, even the Old Testament™ mentions this.

...These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live...

well yeah, but thats looking at a very very small portion of the total genetic info that goes into making humans.

And the English are basically German, didn't stop a couple of major wars.

Anybody want to see a real fight, try watching siblings settling a will.

Actually that's what the Israel-Palestine thing is all about, settling a will, with the west serving as Israel's high powered lawyer.

All humans descend from the same genetic stock, I fail to see how this means I shouldn't kill them.
You shouldn't kill them, not all of them, anyway. Just enough to use them in fear tactics to subjugate the rest's wills. By the way, when I am king you will be first against the wall. Can't tolerate a threat like your insanity, sorry dude.

...These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live...
Like this matters.....Scandinavians have tons in common with each other genetically, but they've been owning each other. Same for Germans and Austrians..or the people that make up present day Italy...ect

Anyway, most American Jews are highly mixed with non-Jewish Whites...as the intermarriage rate in America between White Jews and Non-Jewish Whites has been claimed by Jewish sources to be around 50%.

However, more importantly...Jews and Arabs couldn't be more different, culturally. Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe and it's colonies for around 2000 years....they don't have a Middle Eastern culture nor value system, but rather one more aligned with the European enlightenment and Western traditional liberalism.

However, more importantly...Jews and Arabs couldn't be more different, culturally. Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe and it's colonies for around 2000 years....they don't have a Middle Eastern culture nor value system, but rather one more aligned with the European enlightenment and Western traditional liberalism.Yep. Jews are rather a religious group. Just as they were when they went into the diaspora.

However, more importantly...Jews and Arabs couldn't be more different, culturally. Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe and it's colonies for around 2000 years....they don't have a Middle Eastern culture nor value system, but rather one more aligned with the European enlightenment and Western traditional liberalism.

....which explains why they treat the Arabs they occupy like shite, thanks bunches.

Actually that's what the Israel-Palestine thing is all about, settling a will, with the west serving as Israel's high powered lawyer.

And the Palestinians have their scummy little friends, the Arab states, who've been trying to take advantage of them, in order to get in on a share of the benefits of the inheritance.

anyone seen a good phylogenetic tree of human ethnic groups recently?

Words mean what we use them to mean. Anti-Semite has come to mean "anti-jewish" in general conversation, so that is what it means, regardless of the actual anthropological delineation of semitic culture and genetics. Just like, when we say "Butler" we do not mean "The man in charge of the booze" even though the word originated from "Bottler". And telephones still have "Dial tones" but no dials! (And cell phones have
ring tones- but nothing actually rings!) Meanings shift, life goes on, ten generations from now who knows what "mouse" will mean?

I don't care... It's perverse. It excludes other semites, so it is a prejudiced usage of the word.

I don't care... It's perverse. It excludes other semites, so it is a prejudiced usage of the word.

Even more so, given that Arab bashing is far more common than Jew bashing.....

Even more so, given that Arab bashing is far more common than Jew bashing.....

In this day and age it is much more common in the western world. Jew bashing is "wrong", arab bashing is "ok". Anyone who uses the term "Sand-N#$^%$" in place of "Arab" is anti-semitic.

Mitochondrial Eve was so black, when she went to night school, teacher marked her absent.

Words mean what we use them to mean. Anti-Semite has come to mean "anti-jewish" in general conversation, so that is what it means, regardless of the actual anthropological delineation of semitic culture and genetics.
Words mean what their etymology says they mean. People who use them differently are simply incorrect.

If anti-semitic refers only to anti-jewish, how do I describe actual anti-semitism? There's no better word for it than anti-semitism.

Mitochondrial Eve was so black, when she went to night school, teacher marked her absent.As if "Mitochondrial Eve" actually meant anything...
And what about real Eve/Hawwah/Nintu?

As if "Mitochondrial Eve" actually meant anything...

it does..

....which explains why they treat the Arabs they occupy like shite, thanks bunches.
Oh, lol...let's play this game. Let's feel bad for the Arabs and how the Israelis treat the Arabs. Hah....:
https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Arab-World-plus-Iran.bmp
Excuse me while I go cry for how badly the Israelis are treating the Arabs.

If anti-semitic refers only to anti-jewish, how do I describe actual anti-semitism? There's no better word for it than anti-semitism.

Anti-Arab or Anti-Muslim would usually suffice.

Oh, lol...let's play this game. Let's feel bad for the Arabs and how the Israelis treat the Arabs. Hah....:
Excuse me while I go cry for how badly the Israelis are treating the Arabs.

ooh, can we play this game for apartheid era south africa too?

ooh, can we play this game for apartheid era south africa too?


Of course we can! And its a very valid parallel too, isn't it?

Anti-Arab or Anti-Muslim would usually suffice.
But Muslim is a much broader category (there are many non-semitic muslims - Indians, Persians and Bosnians, for example). And Arab excludes Jews, who should count in the semitic group.

If I want to describe the dislike of semites, that being the group of Jews and Arabs, anti-semitic is exactly the right word for that.

Looking at that earlier link to the map of the middle east, and thinking back to the the bible stories...

Did it really take Moses 40 years to get from Egypt to Israel? That sounds like a journey this cabbie took me on after a late night home from the pub.

And as if anyone with half a brain couldn't spot that Israelis and their surrounding neighbors have similar genetic traits, they even have similar customs for fecks sake.

Not all Israelis are the pasty skinned Jews with thick american accents you see on fox TV whining about Palestinians launching rockets at the houses they have illegally built on occupied land.

Oh, lol...let's play this game. Let's feel bad for the Arabs and how the Israelis treat the Arabs. Hah....:
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Excuse me while I go cry for how badly the Israelis are treating the Arabs.

Well, looking at the map I really wonder why the US didn't just give half of a state to immigrant Jews in 1947...

it does..not really...

Look up 'mitochondrial eve' on wikipedia, please.

not really...

how exactly do you come to think that?

No shit.

QFT

Yes, they are both Semitic.

I am genetically related to everyone here...unless some of you are human.

In this day and age it is much more common in the western world. Jew bashing is "wrong", arab bashing is "ok". Anyone who uses the term "Sand-N#$^%$" in place of "Arab" is anti-semitic.

You've obviously not spent much time in Indiana, where if you're not good old fashioned white Christian you get your equal amount of bashing. God do I hate this idiotic fucking state....*sigh*

But anyway...calling Arabs and Jews similar strikes me as odd. Granting Judaism an ethnic designation rather than strictly religious, being Arab is a linguistic identification that has a fairly broad range. I mean, there are Jewish Arabs, these aren't exclusive identifiers. And Iraqis and Egyptians are fairly distinct peoples, even though they are both Arab. Jewish = religio-ethnic group identifier; Arab = linguistic-ethnic group identifier, with a good deal of emphasis on the linguistic. o.O

Of course we can!

sweet! dibs on being the poor put-upon white south africans.

I went back in time and shagged Mitochondrial Eve.

Whose your daddy now?

I am.

You've obviously not spent much time in Indiana, where if you're not good old fashioned white Christian you get your equal amount of bashing. God do I hate this idiotic fucking state....*sigh*

But anyway...calling Arabs and Jews similar strikes me as odd. Granting Judaism an ethnic designation rather than strictly religious, being Arab is a linguistic identification that has a fairly broad range. I mean, there are Jewish Arabs, these aren't exclusive identifiers. And Iraqis and Egyptians are fairly distinct peoples, even though they are both Arab. Jewish = religio-ethnic group identifier; Arab = linguistic-ethnic group identifier, with a good deal of emphasis on the linguistic. o.O

"Jew" isn't actually an ethnic descripter. "Hebrew" is actually the ethnicity. The equivalent to "Arab" is "Hebrew", but the issue here is both Arabs and Hebrew ethnic groups are part of the "Semite" family. Arabic is the language descripter, though not all nations which speak arabic are Arabs (ex: Iranians and Pakistanis).

They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

Common linguistic one too. There's a lot of common Etymology with Hebrew and Arabic.

"Jew" isn't actually an ethnic descripter. "Hebrew" is actually the ethnicity. The equivalent to "Arab" is "Hebrew", but the issue here is both Arabs and Hebrew ethnic groups are part of the "Semite" family. Arabic is the language descripter, though not all nations which speak arabic are Arabs (ex: Iranians and Pakistanis).

o.O Iranians speak Farsi, if I'm not mistaken and Urdu is the language of Pakistan. You seem to be equivocating Muslim and Arab. I refer to Judaism being considered an ethnicity because, well, there are a lot of sociologists who categorize it as such and it's arguable that it is closer to an ethnicity than simply a religion, having a distinct culture attributed directly to the "Jewish" identification and nothing else.

Yes, Palestinians and Jews are just basically the same old Canaanites which have been living in the Holy Land for all this time!

Can’t we just export all Jews and Arabs to the moon?

Imagine there are no Jews or Arabs
It's easy if you try
No 911 below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no war anymore
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no Jews and Arabs too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

We should export all countries and cultures to the moon that do not behave according my standards.

Yes, Palestinians and Jews are just basically the same old Canaanites which have been living in the Holy Land for all this time!However, Jews went away. Because the couldn't get along. As usual.
Btw neither Israelites not later Jews were Canaanites.

However, Jews went away. Because the couldn't get along. As usual.
Btw neither Israelites not later Jews were Canaanites.


So instead of using anti-semitism to refer to Jew-bashing, we could just say UBism when we meant Jew-bashing and anti-semitism would mean arab-bashing......Certainly everyone here would know what we meant.....

So instead of using anti-semitism to refer to Jew-bashing, we could just say UBism when we meant Jew-bashing and anti-semitism would mean arab-bashing......Certainly everyone here would know what we meant.....Judaism deserves to be fought. In all its manifestations. Just as any other fake belief system.

Judaism deserves to be fought. In all its manifestations. Just as any other fake belief system.


However, Jews went away. Because the couldn't get along. As usual.


Aha....yeah....aha....yeah.....

So instead of using anti-semitism to refer to Jew-bashing, we could just say UBism when we meant Jew-bashing and anti-semitism would mean arab-bashing......Certainly everyone here would know what we meant.....

What about simply "Anti-Jewish"... It's simple, accurate and to the point.

What about simply "Anti-Jewish"... It's simple, accurate and to the point.


No argument there from me.....

o.O Iranians speak Farsi, if I'm not mistaken and Urdu is the language of Pakistan. You seem to be equivocating Muslim and Arab. I refer to Judaism being considered an ethnicity because, well, there are a lot of sociologists who categorize it as such and it's arguable that it is closer to an ethnicity than simply a religion, having a distinct culture attributed directly to the "Jewish" identification and nothing else.

Judaism cannot be an ethnicity, otherwise it would not be an "-ism". You could attribute "Jew" towards ethnic use, but not an associated "-ism". I think if sociologists are attempting to claim "Judaism" as an distinct culturo-ethnic group, they have failed in realizing that there is not a single unified "Judaism" culture, rather there are several flavors of "Judaism" religions.

Btw neither Israelites not later Jews were Canaanites.

space jooze ftw!

duh of course were related to each other what idiot doesn't that, its in the bible, koran, torah

duh of course were related to each other what idiot doesn't that, its in the bible, koran, torahhave you in fact read any of these books?

space jooze ftw!well, if they remain in space, yes.

duh of course were related to each other what idiot doesn't that, its in the bible, koran, torah


They say a lot of things.

They say a lot of things.But it all comes down to "die, ye infidels!"...

Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks are genetically the SAME people, and that didn't stop them from slaughtering each other.

Former Yugoslavia, Middle East, India-Pakistan -- these conflicts aren't about genetics, they're about religion. That's a much tougher nut to crack.

They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

I don't believe this crap for a second. First of all, 'Jews' are a diverse group. Absurd and irrelevant study.

They may have their differences but Jews and Arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back thousands of years.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/742430.stm

I would never kill my brother.

Reminds me of what Chris Rock said: who ever you hate will end up in your family

Jews have not mingled with others during their time in Europe?

So, maybe the Jews are Semites anymore?

It further shows how absurd it is to claim the title of "Semite" upon jews but ignore it upon arabs. If you're anti-arab, you're an antisemite as well



THIS is the key issue to this thread.

Maybe we've heard "people of the middle east" hate Jews,
they are anti-semites.

This is where we can knock-down some of the McCarthy-esque charges
of anti-semitism.

This is kind of a funny irony. Here we have a basic historical fact (the genetic link, not necessarily the biblical tale supporting it) which happens to be known to every bible thumping Christian fundamentalist in the US.

But much of the rest of the world is ignorant of it.

Especially in the middle east, where Jews are considered European even though about a million of them were thrown out or driven out of other middle eastern nations.

Lesson: never be surprised when people dismissed as ignorant turn out to know things you don't.

Of course, even if Jews were acknowledged to be of middle eastern descent, it wouldn't help the situation. After all, the Q'uran itself names Israel as the home of the Jews, and THAT hasn't helped, either.

Well put.

This doesn't make too much differance either way; political differances and affiliations have, for a long time now, been more important then actual race.

have you in fact read any of these books?all three, OWNED!!