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I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Aviation/DSCF0714.jpg

These two pictures I actually consider the best of the batch that I have.

I don't think you are ugly. You kinda remind me of Dustin Hoffman though, and some people don't like him. I think if someone says you are ugly it's because they are insecure or rude and either way you should probably just ignore them.

Absolutely horrendous!
Freak! MONSTER! UGLY BASTARD!

Is that what you wanted to hear?

I was just going to post the attention whoring sign :p

(ps, i was just messing with those names. You are not ugly. Granted, yes your facial features are not desirable in some people's eyes, but I don't think you are ugly. Ugly is like....The love child of James Carville and Brittney Spears' vagina.

Ugly comes from the inside.

No you aren't. I know it probably sounds like bullshit, but unless someone is an ugly person (ugly inside) I don't find them to be ugly. Likewise someone that is generally easy on the eyes.. I can find to be ugly if they are ... ugly.

(ps, i was just messing with those names. You are not ugly. Granted, yes your facial features are not desirable in some people's eyes, but I don't think you are ugly. Ugly is like....The love child of James Carville and Brittney Spears' vagina.

Ew. Nah, not ugly, but you have better hair than me... :(

Let's trade.

I won't say yes or no. To be truthful you aren't very "well formed" at all. Now that may be my problem, I have OCD and love symmetry. But your acne looks like it's under control, I didn't see much wrong with your ears either.

It really isn't my call anyway, I like pussy.

But you know what, I regretfully shaved my beard off yesterday, and after looking at you I feel much better about myself. At least I'll look good again in 2 weeks.

Proceed to flame me, everyone else, since I was honest and didn't lie out my ass like you all did.

An asymmetric face which might put some people off but not ugly.

I won't say yes or no. To be truthful you aren't very "well formed" at all. Now that may be my problem, I have OCD and love symmetry. But your acne looks like it's under control, I didn't see much wrong with your ears either.

It really isn't my call anyway, I like pussy.

But you know what, I regretfully shaved my beard of yesterday, and after looking at you I feel much better about myself. At least I'll look good again in 2 weeks.

Proceed to flame me, everyone else, since I was honest and didn't lie out my ass like you all did.
Way to give the knife a little extra twist.

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You are not ugly. You're like, a Surrealist portrait.

Seeing as I don't know you, I can't say if you're ugly or not. There are shallow people out there that would look at your picture and go "OH MY GOD!!" but because I don't know what you're like, I can't really answer. Besides, beauty is skin deep, but ugly (think Paris Hilton's attitude here) goes clear to the bone. Assuming you're a nice person, I wouldn't call you ugly if it were the only adjective in the world.

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly.

If I went through all that, I would look a good deal worse for the wear. So, by that reasoning, I don't know what to say.

No, I wouldn't say that you are particularly attractive but not ugly. I think average is a better and more realistic word.

You look like you just got the crap kicked out of you in a fist fight.

How you look ugly or not, I could care less though. That's for you to decide.

Ugly, no. I'd be lying if I said that there were absolutely no traces of the condition you were born with, though.

Given the pictures you posted of yourself as a child in an earlier thread, the reconstruction that's been done is amazing. What are you worried about, though -- didn't you say a while back you have a girlfriend?

TBH, if I did this, the only thing that would come of it is more and more depression for me. I question your motivation.

However, to answer, no.

I don't understand. Were you in an accident where you destroyed your face and because of that had to have all that surgery? Or were you born with facial issues and have had surgery to counter it?...Or? Well, what? How can we possibly answer the question if you are ugly or not if you don't give us any insight.

Your jaw is a bit off, but I have a fairly large overbite so who am I to tell people how their jaws look, eh? :p

As for your acne? It wasn't bad at all. I probably wouldn't have noticed if you didn't point it out.

But if you are that concerned about your looks, you could always get a badass mask (http://www.dvdfuture.com/images/upload/kingdom_of_heaven.jpg) like this guy, or go for the V (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CRU4418lg.jpg) look.

And of course... No matter how ugly you may feel... Well...

Things could always be worse (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CRU4418lg.jpg).

Ugly, no. I'd be lying if I said that there were absolutely no traces of the condition you were born with, though.

Given the pictures you posted of yourself as a child in an earlier thread, the reconstruction that's been done is amazing. What are you worried about, though -- didn't you say a while back you have a girlfriend?

I actually haven't talked to her in about two weeks, e-mails, texts, phone calls, basically anything short of sending a message pigeon, telegraph, and telegrams and nothing, so yea.

No you aren't. I know it probably sounds like bullshit, but unless someone is an ugly person (ugly inside) I don't find them to be ugly. Likewise someone that is generally easy on the eyes.. I can find to be ugly if they are ... ugly.

I agree.

There's a lot of girls I know that my friends think or hot, but after getting an insight to their personalities their attractiveness just plummets.

I wouldn't say ugly. Slightly misshapen, perhaps, but as Kat said, the surgery accomplished amazing things.

No, the only ugly parts, I think, are your current political opinions, and you've shown more than once that you're willing to change, so I have hope of those changing to beauty yet. ;)

I actually haven't talked to her in about two weeks, e-mails, texts, phone calls, basically anything short of sending a message pigeon, telegraph, and telegrams and nothing, so yea.

Well, if it's just a matter of falling out of touch, fall back IN touch. ;)

Well, if it's just a matter of falling out of touch, fall back IN touch. ;)

All that's left is going to her house and that would seem creepy lol. I left her e-mails, voice mails and messages on IM. IMHO, the ball is in her court now, she knows I want to talk to her.

I don't understand. Were you in an accident where you destroyed your face and because of that had to have all that surgery? Or were you born with facial issues and have had surgery to counter it?...Or? Well, what? How can we possibly answer the question if you are ugly or not if you don't give us any insight.
Well?

I won't say you're ugly. But I won't candy coat things either. I don't see anything wrong with you, to be truthful. You have a face, you have two arms, to legs, a body... I think ugly is much more then just an unfortunate face.

People who address you as such, are afraid of differences, or are offended by you. I'm not saying that I'm in the same boat as you are, but I've had my share with ignorant people. And it's a tough battle. But in all honesty, what you keep in your mind, what you think of yourself is what really sticks with you, be it negative or not. Aka, you're your worse enemy if you let negative things and lables get to you.

All that's left is going to her house and that would seem creepy lol. I left her e-mails, voice mails and messages on IM. IMHO, the ball is in her court now, she knows I want to talk to her.

Oh, I misunderstood you originally. Yeah, it's up to her now. I hope it works out.

Well?

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Reading is FUNdamental.

no you arent ugly. but you are obviously "wrong". as in its obvious that something was wrong that needed fixing.

the more serious problem is that you arent attractive. that first glance attractivenss requires that symmetry that your face doesnt have.

that seems kinda harsh but all it really means is that a girl has to get to know you before she will be attracted to you. the lucky handsome guys have girls want them before they speak one word to them.

there are many many people in your category. the vast majority end up in loving relationships because when push comes to shove, it IS what is inside that matters. a girl who wants something serious learns to look past first impressions.

Well?

*sigh*

I was born with Goldenhar Syndrome, it's a deformity of the jaw, ears, and other parts of my body, it's not genetic and they really haven't found the cause for it. Although it is related to Gulf War Syndrome (from the first one).

As for the lovely scar on my right side. That was from a blotched surgery that a doctor did with only one x-ray. Yea, saying he was under prepared for that surgery is an understatement.

More info on Goldenhar (http://www.google.com/search?q=Goldenhar+Syndrome&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

No, I'm gonna have to go with saying that you're not ugly. I'm not going to lie, you're not prettiful, and you probably never will be. But, I can't say anything about that, seeing as how I'm fat, I've got more body hair than Chewbacca, I've got glasses thicker than your Granny's, my feet are too big, I've got a scar in the middle of my head, and I could keep going with that list.

Now, I'm also going to make a comment that may seem cliche, but I truly believe it. That is the comment that no one can be truly called ugly for what they look like on the outside, because Genesis says that man was created in God's image. God made you precisely as He did for a reason. It could have been a number of things. Perhaps it was to keep you humble about your physical appearance, because that will bring Him glory. Maybe it was something totally different. But I really and truly believe that God knew what He was doing, and made you as He did for a good reason, whether we understand it or not.

Sven <><

No, I'm gonna have to go with saying that you're not ugly. I'm not going to lie, you're not prettiful, and you probably never will be. But, I can't say anything about that, seeing as how I'm fat, I've got more body hair than Chewbacca, I've got glasses thicker than your Granny's, my feet are too big, I've got a scar in the middle of my head, and I could keep going with that list.

Now, I'm also going to make a comment that may seem cliche, but I truly believe it. That is the comment that no one can be truly called ugly for what they look like on the outside, because Genesis says that man was created in God's image. God made you precisely as He did for a reason. It could have been a number of things. Perhaps it was to keep you humble about your physical appearance, because that will bring Him glory. Maybe it was something totally different. But I really and truly believe that God knew what He was doing, and made you as He did for a good reason, whether we understand it or not.

Sven <><

I just wrote a rather long and mean-spirited rant in reply to this, but fuck it. If you want to believe that go for it.

To think there's girls I know whose lives have been 'difficult' because they're only judged on their looks.

As Rita Hayworth complained - Men go to bed with Gilda, they wake up with me

The relationship you will have should be more genuine than that, so there's always a relative means of looking at situations.

no, your not ugly. The only thing is your face is not symmetrical, which is just a first impression thing. After looking at your pictures a couple of times, you really do look fine. i mean that.

Dude, you have a condition. We may be a bunch of dicks and jerks, but fucking hell man, we're not going to call someone who has a condition ugly and not feel like shit bags, because if we said that we would be. I haven't seen that photo of what you looked like before hand, but it seems like your rapidly approaching 'normal.'

But yeah, what are we going to say? Do you really expect us to call a guy with a deformity ugly? That'd be pretty dick. You know it's there, after the surgeries it's not really that bad. The non-deformed parts of your face are normal. You're not a pretty boy, but you had to know that already.

If your chick dumped you it's not because you're ugly-do you think that she didn't know what you looked like until two weeks ago? That's dumb. Whatever reason she's doing what shes doing, it's not because of your face-she knew about that before hand and didn't have a problem with it.

I just wrote a rather long and mean-spirited rant in reply to this, but f*** it. If you want to believe that go for it.

I will, and thank you for your restraint. I won't try to make you believe it, as long as you don't try to stop me. Either way, this is the wrong thread to have a debate about this.

I will, and thank you for your restraint. I won't try to make you believe it, as long as you don't try to stop me. Either way, this is the wrong thread to have a debate about this.

Just a few things:

1) It is NSG (welcome); every thread turns into a debate about religion or politics if given enough time.
2) I wasn't trying to convert you or something, just going to point out all of God's other great work. Never mind but.
3) You don't have to censor swear words on NSG, except in thread titles.

*sigh*

I was born with Goldenhar Syndrome, it's a deformity of the jaw, ears, and other parts of my body, it's not genetic and they really haven't found the cause for it. Although it is related to Gulf War Syndrome (from the first one).

As for the lovely scar on my right side. That was from a blotched surgery that a doctor did with only one x-ray. Yea, saying he was under prepared for that surgery is an understatement.

More info on Goldenhar (http://www.google.com/search?q=Goldenhar+Syndrome&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

I'd beat the doctor's ass or at least get some cash out of em...after reading up on the condition you had/have and looking over a series of images I must say the reconstructive work you've had done is good..I don't know how bad off you were compared to some of the images I saw with people with the same condition but you look fine or normal..I don't really judge other males as looking ugly or good looking...but things....could be a lot worse..and I don't think you have anything to be ashamed of..as for the scars and the ladies...tell em you wrecked your Harley or something..they'll dig that..;)...

and I see the second pic with the plane..are you a pilot..training to be one?...that would be cool

As for the rest of us who are fortunate enough to not have such problems we should thank our lucky stars

I'd say average. At least you aren't covered with tattoos and piercings.

As Rita Hayworth complained - Men go to bed with Gilda, they wake up with me


WhatwhatWHAT!?
I would so totally do Rita leftrightsidewaysforesandafters. Back in the day, anyway.
That would include both going to bed with her AND waking up with her.

I'd say average. At least you aren't covered with tattoos and piercings.

Fuck that, tattoos and piercing are t3h sex. Girls with septum rings and sleeves = <fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap>

Wilgrove, you're certainly not stunning, but you're not hideous either. Have you considered growing a beard though? If you trim it right it might somewhat disguise the asymmetry of your jawline.

Just a few things:

1) It is NSG (welcome); every thread turns into a debate about religion or politics if given enough time.
2) I wasn't trying to convert you or something, just going to point out all of God's other great work. Never mind but.
3) You don't have to censor swear words on NSG, except in thread titles.

I don't have to, I choose to.

And the fact that other threads turn into these debates doesn't make that right, so I think it appropriate to avoid it here if it is possible.

I don't have to, I choose to.

If you don't want to swear, don't. Don't half-assedly swear and pretend the little stars make it somehow morally different. :)

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Damn you. I haven't been flying in over a year, much less in a fancy Piper (Warrier?). Got my licence on a 52 and haven't flown since.... :( Thanks for making me feel like crap. Oh well, can't be that ugly man, chicks dig pilots. ;)

Damn you. I haven't been flying in over a year, much less in a fancy Piper (Warrier?). Got my licence on a 52 and haven't flown since.... :( Thanks for making me feel like crap. Oh well, can't be that ugly man, chicks dig pilots. ;)

It's a Piper Cherokee 180E. I love the Cherokee 180s. I actually plan to buy one when I get out of Grad School. :D

If you don't want to swear, don't. Don't half-assedly swear and pretend the little stars make it somehow morally different. :)

Hence my not swearing. I was quoting someone, that means you don't leave out words. So I didn't, I just edited it. Besides, swearing or not swearing isn't a Biblical matter for me- I don't see it as sin anywhere, although I could be missing something. I just choose not to use that language, due to the fact that it offends some people.

It's a Piper Cherokee 180E. I love the Cherokee 180s. I actually plan to buy one when I get out of Grad School. :D

Snazzy. I'd love to have a Starduster Too. Make going home so much more entertaining and classy.

Honest people would tell you that you are actually ugly. It might be hard to hear, but anyway you should be used to it by now. People on this forum won't probably tell you because they think by preaching bullshit like "Beauty comes from the inside" will be called honesty with you.

However, I'm telling you this from a majority's point of view. From mine, if I ever saw you in the street, I wouldn't even react. I mean, you're not horrifying at all! You don't even come out of a crowd.

Some cases are far worse.

Hence my not swearing. I was quoting someone, that means you don't leave out words. So I didn't, I just edited it. Besides, swearing or not swearing isn't a Biblical matter for me- I don't see it as sin anywhere, although I could be missing something. I just choose not to use that language, due to the fact that it offends some people.

I had actually forgotten about your post when I typed that... It's just a general pet-peeve of mine. The little stars don't make it somehow less offencive, or morally different, they're self-deception. Anyways, if it's something someone else said, stars or no stars, you didn't say it.

Snazzy. I'd love to have a Starduster Too. Make going home so much more entertaining and classy.

Oh those are awesome aircrafts. I chose the Cherokee 180 because I like their performance and handling. They are easy to handle and very forgiving. and plus you can load that thing up to max weight and still be able to take off. You got to love the Lycoming O-360 engine.

What I actually plan to do is get a Cherokee 180 at cheap price. Then have it rebuilt from the ground up. I want the air frame to be renewed, the engine to be rebuilt. I want everything at zero (or close to it), and then have a custom paint job, custom panel, and custom interior. It will be "my" airplane. I know this will set me back a bit, but it will be worth it! :D

Once you get me started on airplanes and aviation you can't get me to stop hehe.

Man, your gonna need some serious coin for that. I gotta get out of here (nowhere) and to somewhere where I can start flying again. A licence isn't much good if you don't use it. Think that's what I'll spend next summer doing, just go flying for a couple weeks, building hours.

Man, your gonna need some serious coin for that. I gotta get out of here (nowhere) and to somewhere where I can start flying again. A licence isn't much good if you don't use it. Think that's what I'll spend next summer doing, just go flying for a couple weeks, building hours.

LOL, I know. I would just go ahead and save up money for a new aircraft, but they don't make Cherokees 180 anymore, the nearest one is a Warrior 161, but it has a 160hp, and I want 180hp.

I know that rebuilding the engine will run me about $13,000, repaint will run from 8k to 13k. I don't know about interior work or rebuilding yet.

I recommend a mask.

Not because you need it, girls just love the Phantom look.

...the phantom look with the mask on, I mean. :p

I recommend a mask.

Not because you need it, girls just love the Phantom look.

...the phantom look with the mask on, I mean. :p

Why not the Jim Carrey mask, sheesh!
I could see Wilgrove in a dapper banana zoot-suit.

I recommend a mask.

Not because you need it, girls just love the Phantom look.

...the phantom look with the mask on, I mean. :p

I would rather have the Jason Voorhees mask or something like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/metalogic130x130copyog3.jpg

Which is basically a bandanna with dark glasses. It's a Matrix Online reference. :p

Ugly? No. Curious-to-small-children? Yes.

But fuck that, man! You can fly! I am grovelling at your feet. How much did it cost you, can you fly twin-engine craft, how long did it take you, do you glide, errr... yeh... I have more questions like that. :p

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Aviation/DSCF0714.jpg

These two pictures I actually consider the best of the batch that I have.


Symmetrical features are supposed to be the standard for beauty. Your features are not symmetrical, but, while that means they aren't classically handsome, they are interesting and not ugly - add to that a good personality and intelligence and you are, in my estimation, considered attractive.

Wilgrove, you look fine.

The way I see it is that if you're okay with your apperance, others will be okay with it too.

And if a girl or guys or whatever rejects you because of your looks, fuck them. It just shows them from the beginning how much of a total bitch and/or asshole they are. Personaly, I have had more then one girl reject me because of my physical apperance, and I am glad they did because it shows they are a total bitch and not worth my time.
And I would like you to think the same way. :D

And if a girl or guys or whatever rejects you because of your looks, fuck them. It just shows them from the beginning how much of a total bitch and/or asshole they are. Personaly, I have had more then one girl reject me because of my physical apperance, and I am glad they did because it shows they are a total bitch and not worth my time.
And I would like you to think the same way. :D

Ridiculous. They are not a bitch or an asshole because they didn't find you attractive. They were honest. All you have to do is remember that beauty is a subjective concept and it won't get to you. While they don't find you attractive others do.

But yeah, what are we going to say? Do you really expect us to call a guy with a deformity ugly? That'd be pretty dick. You know it's there, after the surgeries it's not really that bad. The non-deformed parts of your face are normal. You're not a pretty boy, but you had to know that already.

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Why should I feel bad to say that I, personally, don't find someone attractive because of a deformity?

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!
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You don't look bad at all (Although taking your picture during a flight might not have been the best idea. I don't know anyone who looks their best then)

Wilgrove, you look fine.

The way I see it is that if you're okay with your apperance, others will be okay with it too.

And if a girl or guys or whatever rejects you because of your looks, fuck them. It just shows them from the beginning how much of a total bitch and/or asshole they are. Personaly, I have had more then one girl reject me because of my physical apperance, and I am glad they did because it shows they are a total bitch and not worth my time.
And I would like you to think the same way. :D

Ludicrous; beauty is subjective, I fail to see why somebody who does not consider you beautiful is an asshole.

And yes, you're ugly.

To both Dundee-Fienn and Chris.
I'm not saying that they are bitches for not finding me attractive. I'm just saying the only reason why they rejected me is because of looks, seeing how I was set up on blind dates and two of them said no without even having a conversation with me.
All wells. My current girl says I'm cute and I say she's very lucky indeed.
And yes, you're ugly.
Thanks, totally apprecate it.

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Aviation/DSCF0714.jpg

These two pictures I actually consider the best of the batch that I have.

You don't have to do this. Some lines of the above people will hurt you.

And how you look, isn't that important as well.

Look at Paris Hilton. She's is extremely ugly, but she's making a lot of fun.

To both Dundee-Fienn and Chris.
I'm not saying that they are bitches for not finding me attractive. I'm just saying the only reason why they rejected me is because of looks, seeing how I was set up on blind dates and two of them said no without even having a conversation with me.
All wells. My current girl says I'm cute and I say she's very lucky indeed.

Thanks, totally apprecate it.

Get over it. If you don't conform to people's personal expectations if beauty, who are you to force yourself upon them?

And you're welcome.

I'm just saying the only reason why they rejected me is because of looks

Nothing wrong with that. If looks are a major factor in deciding if the girl fancies someone or not - so be it.

All wells. My current girl says I'm cute and I say she's very lucky indeed.

Congrats :)

And for my personal opinion on your looks - assuming you are the OP - I consider you unpleasant on the eyes, and somewhat doubt that more surgery would remedy that. If that makes your whole existence meaningless and futile is up to you - but I would suggest not ;)

You're ugly. Like anyone and everyone.
Someone could say it better than me (i'm italian, sorry for my english) and someone has already.
I had a girlfriend who told me "he's handsome but he's an a**hole, you're ugly but you're fun-loving and enjoyable" ... i loved that!! eheh ... it made me feel free, she had been honest to me and that's what counts in relations.
And i can't list all the ugliest things my friends said about my ex-girlfriend ... eheh ... i couldn't see that uglyness in her ... i was flying and that was all ...
So, again, ugly or not, it's subjective, but not fundamental.
You're ugly?! Be interesting!
You're stupid?! Be funny!
There's plenty of things to do in order to be well.
And always remember what we Lapalamian say (in real life my grandma told me):
The importance of a being, is in the smiles he/she leaves behind while walking

I've seen far, far worse. As somebody said earlier, its the slight asymmetery thats probably the offputting factor for some.

Depends.
Has anyone tried to sell you to a travelling Victorian freak show or wanted to exhibit you in front of a bunch of morbid physicians in London?

If not then no, you're not ugly .

Honestly, considering the condition you were born with, you look pretty good.

And someone said you look like Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, you do.

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Aviation/DSCF0714.jpg

These two pictures I actually consider the best of the batch that I have.

Yes, you are. In my humble opinion all (okay 99%) men are ugly. It's easy comparison of population where one half is all beautiful and the other is not.

and yeah, this is just an opinion

Honestly, considering the condition you were born with, you look pretty good.
damning him with faint praise there.
And someone said you look like Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, you do.
All he now needs to do is parctise his, "I'm walking here! I'm walking here!" and of course the, "ahhh! ahhh! ahhh!" (with appropriate arm-head-smacking gestures) and Wilgrove'll be set.

Yes, you are. In my humble opinion all (okay 99%) men are ugly. It's easy comparison of population where one half is all beautiful and the other is not.

and yeah, this is just an opinion


And you are a so called lesbian russian discus thrower? :)

No, Wilgrove, you're not ugly. You won't attract shallow people, but would you really want to?

TBH, if I did this, the only thing that would come of it is more and more depression for me. I question your motivation.You're just silly.

Wilgrove, you're certainly not stunning, but you're not hideous either. Have you considered growing a beard though? If you trim it right it might somewhat disguise the asymmetry of your jawline.I was going to suggest growing facial hair, as well.

And you are a so called lesbian russian discus thrower? :)

No. I'm a man. And I consider myself quite ugly compared to basically any woman. I try to avoid mirrors.

Indeed, I've always considered myself an ugly bastard. I have a great suspicion of men who consider themselves good looking. Gay men are allowed to, but a straight man preening himself I always thought weird....Men who get manicures in particular....bad sign.

Indeed, I've always considered myself an ugly bastard. I have a great suspicion of men who consider themselves good looking. Gay men are allowed to, but a straight man preening himself I always thought weird....Men who get manicures in particular....bad sign.

of what?

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Aviation/DSCF0714.jpg

These two pictures I actually consider the best of the batch that I have.

Your facial features are not ugly per se. You face and body are distorted due to surgery, which naturally does not enhance your features. All-in-all, you're no Quasimodo

of what?

wanting to be properly groomed.

It is apparently wrong for a man to want to be clean and groomed.

wanting to be properly groomed.

It is apparently wrong for a man to want to be clean and groomed.

Strange. I get manicures and keep myself looking respectable because I don't think anyone would want a scruffy student type examining them physically

Strange. I get manicures and keep myself looking respectable because I don't think anyone would want a scruffy student type examining them physically

my husband gets manicures because he feels it makes him look more "put together" and thus more professional. He also shaves daily and gets hair cuts, and takes showers and matches his clothes which are tailored to fit him. Apparently though, all of this makes him "gay" and apparently that is bad.

*is frustrated*

my husband gets manicures because he feels it makes him look more "put together" and thus more professional. He also shaves daily and gets hair cuts, and takes showers and matches his clothes which are tailored to fit him. Apparently though, all of this makes him "gay" and apparently that is bad.

*is frustrated*

Are you frustrated because he's gay :confused:

no, I am frustrated because people keep starting rumors that he is gay.

I was just kidding :)

Are you frustrated because he's gay :confused:

no, I am frustrated because people keep starting rumors that he is gay.

Are you frustrated because he's gay :confused:

No. She's frustrated by the double-stupidity of people somehow thinking you can guess sexuality based on whether or not you are clean... and compounding that nonsense with the assertion that one of the orientations (that they have just arrived at), would be considered a bad thing.

... a straight man preening himself I always thought weird [it's a] bad sign.

Yes. We're dangerous. Even more so if we can think in italics.

Depends.

How do we define "ugly"?

If we go by the conception of "not physically or aesthetically pleasing", then you are ugly. I am not trying to be offensive at all, just stating a point. You, by your look at those pictures, are not physically atractive to me, so I am entitled to say that in my opinion, you qualify as ugly. I wouldn't engage in any sexual activity with you, as an example of what I mean, due to a lack of visual motivation.

However, your actual looks means a sacrifice for you, instead of oh so many people that seems to be physical atractive without paying a penny or a sweatdrop for it, and given your condition, you look pretty well. What you have done and suffered to look as you look today, means something. And that means a lot. I'm sure out there are lots and lots of women who can value that.

I'm not dwelling into how beautiful you can be in the inside, because that doesn't have anything to do with physical appearance, or visual beauty. I'm trying to remain objective commenting just in your looks, as shown in the photos you provided. To state if you, as a whole, are beautiful or ugly, would need that I know you deeply, and that prerequisite hasn't been met yet. I'm pretty sure that you, as oh so many human beings, have many, many positive traits that make you someone to love, to adore and cherish.

I'm trying to be as sincere as I can, I hope you don't take this as some kind of attempt to mistreat, humiliate, insult, or understimate you.

1) For some reason I feel sorry for you *hugs*

2) As for girls, don't worry. Wait a while, they'll soon give up the hair-bleaching, wife-beater t-shirt wearing moron in favour of someone who isn't exactly a work of art but has a great personality and qualities which make a long term relationship workable.

Belive me, I don't females who are in their thirties who look back at the so-called 'hot guys' they hooked up with and ask, 'what the hell was I thinking?!"

3) Mate you're not ugly - meet me and your self esteem will be boosted by 1000%

wanting to be properly groomed.

It is apparently wrong for a man to want to be clean and groomed.

Real men don't take showers. All women dig real men.

Real men don't take showers. All women dig real men.

eh?

Yes you are ugly, but not fugly. I wouldn't expect you to be a chip n dails dancer in the futre, but I don't think that you'll turn heads either. Maybe normal is a better word.

eh?

They have to because of the layers of dirt on them. Without digging, you can't reach the naughty bits.

No, you're not ugly.

They have to because of the layers of dirt on them. Without digging, you can't reach the naughty bits.

I take it that is also the explanation as to why some women feel the need to have large extended fingernails...they're really for burrowing...it all makes sense now

No. You're not a stunner, but you're not hideous either. It's evident that you have a condition, but that doesn't necessarily = ugly. Besides, outer beauty is way overrated.

eh?

It's true. Real men don't take showers, clip their fingernails, get haircuts that cost more than $5 or shave regularly. They also don't buy clothes that cost more that $10.

Wilgrove, quit trying to get me to have sex with you. I already said yes.

It's true. Real men don't take showers, clip their fingernails, get haircuts that cost more than $5 or shave regularly. They also don't buy clothes that cost more that $10.

Most of my clothing is becoming government issued...my haircuts and shaving are free...

I would prolly be lying if I'd say that I won't stare at you. However, I would ask you questions about what happened or about your condition (which I believe I had read somewhere in the bowels of this thread...).

No, Wilgrove, you're not ugly. You won't attract shallow people, but would you really want to?

I actually have a weird and sick fantasy where I take the shallow people and pretty much do a retro version of the surgery that I've had. Which is basically my jaw and ear surgery done backwards. :D

I actually have a weird and sick fantasy where I take the shallow people and pretty much do a retro version of the surgery that I've had. Which is basically my jaw and ear surgery done backwards. :D

kinky devil

Wilgrove, quit trying to get me to have sex with you. I already said yes.

LOL! Ok that made my day.

*gives slice of cheese cake*

No. She's frustrated by the double-stupidity of people somehow thinking you can guess sexuality based on whether or not you are clean... and compounding that nonsense with the assertion that one of the orientations (that they have just arrived at), would be considered a bad thing.


No, shes just frustrated because shes a bit thick. It was quite clear that it was straight men who were preening I was on about. Guessing the sexuality of somebody by such habits was never mentioned.

I actually have a weird and sick fantasy where I take the shallow people and pretty much do a retro version of the surgery that I've had. Which is basically my jaw and ear surgery done backwards. :D

Just remember Wilgrove, beauty fades but dumb is forever......at least you aren't stupid. ;)

I still think you look like Dustin Hoffman though.

No, shes just frustrated because shes a bit thick.


I was going to respond to this in some way... but you effectively did it for me.


It was quite clear that it was straight men who were preening I was on about. Guessing the sexuality of somebody by such habits was never mentioned.

The curious thing is - you still don't seem to realise what you said. Your own words, and yet, apparently, they elude you. I think it says more about you, than it does about Smunkee.

I have a great suspicion of men who consider themselves good looking. Gay men are allowed to, but a straight man preening himself I always thought weird....Men who get manicures in particular....bad sign.

Reads fairly clear to me. Any straight man I ever knew who had manicures turned out to be a treacherous bastard. ("bad sign" may not have been clear, in fairness).

Reads fairly clear to me. Any straight man I ever knew who had manicures turned out to be a treacherous bastard. ("bad sign" may not have been clear, in fairness).

But such behaviour would be okay in gay men.

Thus - well-groomed men are either evil and straight, or vain and gay. The idea that you can tell is implied. The idea that it would be a 'bad' sign doesn't help your case.

The curious thing is - you still don't seem to realise what you said. Your own words, and yet, apparently, they elude you. I think it says more about you, than it does about Smunkee.

To be fair, most of it wasn't his words, he'd only made it to 'bad sign' before Smunkee jumped in with one of the worst ways to end that sentence.

From what I've seen, you seem to have a fair amount of disposable income and time on your hands, as well as a private plane. So, really, provided you can stay this side of the elephant man you shouldn't have to worry.

But such behaviour would be okay in gay men.

Thus - well-groomed men are either evil and straight, or vain and gay. The idea that you can tell is implied. The idea that it would be a 'bad' sign doesn't help your case.


Not what I was getting at all. However, as you like it. I'm sure herself can get the lowdown from Big White Jesus In the Sky.......

Not what I was getting at all. However, as you like it. I'm sure herself can get the lowdown from Big White Jesus In the Sky.......

I'm not sure it was Big White Jesus In the Sky that was failing to express himself clearly...

Ah well. Nice dodge. You make ridiculous comments (or fail to express yourself clearly... whichever story we choose to believe), and it's not your fault... it's because Smunkee is a Christian?

If you're going to keep digging, I can probably lend you a shovel.

I know that I am sure as hell opening up a can of worms, but it appears that despite four jaw surgery, and at last count, six ear surgeries, and putting on soap to keep the acne, blackheads, zits, pimples at bay, a lot of people still think I'm ugly. Which I usually respond to with a very sarcastic rant that tears them down like tissue paper, however as if I needed another blow to the way I see myself in the mirror every morning, I want to see if I'm really that ugly. Why NSG, because I know you guys will be honest, and you better be!

In the first one you look kind of beaten up. Of course, you're on what looks like an airplane, so its very possible you were.

But overall? You look fine.

Above the jaw/mouth area you look totally fine to my eyes, I wouldn't say you were the most beautiful person I'd ever seen in my life but I prefer women anyway.
Anyway, as has already been said about a million times, the inner beauty counts far more than the outer so don't worry about how you look, and those who mock your looks are just insecure in their own looks and spewing shit at the easiest target.... although I haven't seen any evidence of your personality you don't seem unpleasant, so for now I know who I'd rather spend my time hanging out with.

Thus - well-groomed men are either evil and straight, or vain and gay.

That describes Hollywood nicely.

Appearance won't open every door and make everyone attracted to you but it makes it a lot easier. Things like personality and actions are more important.

Indeed, I've always considered myself an ugly bastard. I have a great suspicion of men who consider themselves good looking. Gay men are allowed to, but a straight man preening himself I always thought weird....Men who get manicures in particular....bad sign.

Oh do grow up. Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us take pains to look decent?

Perfect brutal honesty.

You're not gorgeous. But you're a long way from hideous. I'd place you on the low side of average. Slightly asymetrical. And Smukee's right. You definitely remind me of Dustin Hoffman.

We'd all like to believe that only the inside counts. But life shows us that's not true. Beautiful people get treated better. When comes down to it, it may be easier to get laid if you're stunning. And harder to form a long term attachment. I wouldn't worry.

I'd date you, except you're way too conservative for me and you probably are aware I'm a nutcase.:D

Looks can't make you ugly. They can make you pretty, but ugly is a personality defect.

So your not the most desirable person from your looks. Hottest girl I know is a (pardon mwa french) bitch. Sure she gets to do modeling photos and blah de blah... doesn't change the fact that she hasn't had a boyfriend in 5 years cause they take her have her dump her.

Heck that aint the life I want.

You aren't ugly. You aren't attractive either. So, really I think you're "normal looking". The final decision on your looks is up to you. *nods*

I actually have a weird and sick fantasy where I take the shallow people and pretty much do a retro version of the surgery that I've had. Which is basically my jaw and ear surgery done backwards. :DLol. Have you ever seen the movie 'The Dentist'? The idea you're talking about seems similar.

I don't have to, I choose to.


Haha, lame!

I really don't think it matters if you are ugly, some of the best, funniest people I know are uglier then you and I sometimes wish I could be them. Looks isn't everything, if you accept your deformity and laugh it off you'll most likely lead a happier life.

In my opinion, yes you are ugly.

Having said that, the only thing making you ugly, in my mind, is your twisted face. I imagined you with a more usual faceshape but the same features and thought you'd be alrite.

As for people saying being beautiful on the inside is more important or that it makes you truly beautiful, probably the shallowist thing I've ever heard, and also only said by ugly people (at least in my experience).

I'm not intending to be a dick or anything, but I tend to come off that way. I think after 4 jaw surgeries and 6 on your ears, you look better than anyone else who has been handed down that kind of misfortune. The recovery must have been painful and enduring.

I will say in full honesty that, from a neutral point of view, your appearance catches the eye and the ignorant probably shit on you all the time. If I saw you, I'd figure you probably had a bunch of surgery and that it's not my place to judge.

And with that...I shall leave.

Way to give the knife a little extra twist.


OP is asking for an honest opinion. There's no reason to pad it. OP's had a poor hand dealt to him. No reason to be cruel either though.

In my opinion, yes you are ugly.

Having said that, the only thing making you ugly, in my mind, is your twisted face. I imagined you with a more usual faceshape but the same features and thought you'd be alrite.

As for people saying being beautiful on the inside is more important or that it makes you truly beautiful, probably the shallowist thing I've ever heard, and also only said by ugly people (at least in my experience).

I'm not sure I understand why that would be considered shallow. The whole point is that beauty would be more than just skin deep, i.e. not shallow.

As for people saying being beautiful on the inside is more important or that it makes you truly beautiful, probably the shallowist thing I've ever heard, and also only said by ugly people (at least in my experience).

I is confuzed?

In my opinion, yes you are ugly.

Having said that, the only thing making you ugly, in my mind, is your twisted face. I imagined you with a more usual faceshape but the same features and thought you'd be alrite.

As for people saying being beautiful on the inside is more important or that it makes you truly beautiful, probably the shallowist thing I've ever heard, and also only said by ugly people (at least in my experience).

Yep. Its a comfort blanket to those who look like the back end of a bus.

It is also idealistic as fuck: would you rather go out with an unbfugly girl with a nice personality, or a hottie who's a bitch?

Yep. Its a comfort blanket to those who look like the back end of a bus.

It is also idealistic as fuck: would you rather go out with an unbfugly girl with a nice personality, or a hottie who's a bitch?

You don't find the rear ends of buses even the least bit..stimulating?

That would depend where the so-called date is going.

You don't find the rear ends of buses even the least bit..stimulating?

That would depend where the so-called date is going.

I'm more of an articulated lorry man myself:D

And, perhaps. I'd still rather be seen in attractive company than the company of the ugly, but then I'm not really one for the commonplace, downtrodden and ugly and all that anyway.

Haha, lame!

Umm... Thank you for the depth of your response, and all the explanation you put into it.

My decision comes from my personal convictions. Is actually being someone who lives my life according to said beliefs and convictions lame? Am I to be taunted because I am actually trying to show Christ in my life? :confused:

In Christ,
Sven <><

Umm... Thank you for the depth of your response, and all the explanation you put into it.

My decision comes from my personal convictions. Is actually being someone who lives my life according to said beliefs and convictions lame? Am I to be taunted because I am actually trying to show Christ in my life? :confused:

In Christ,
Sven <><

Yeah. Shut up Jesus-freak.

I'm more of an articulated lorry man myself:D

And, perhaps. I'd still rather be seen in attractive company than the company of the ugly, but then I'm not really one for the commonplace, downtrodden and ugly and all that anyway.

Hrm.. I'm not sure I walk that side of the street.

I suppose. Wouldn't you being drunk all the time kind of mellow out your perception anyhow? I mean, seeing through a stained-glass haze of vodka is bound to make everyone look like Jesu..er.. his mom.

Hrm.. I'm not sure I walk that side of the street.

I suppose. Wouldn't you being drunk all the time kind of mellow out your perception anyhow? I mean, seeing through a stained-glass haze of vodka is bound to make everyone look like Jesu..er.. his mom.

Strangely, drink makes me more introspective, moody and depressive.

Vodka's for noobs anyway! I've found Orange Liquer!!!! It tastes like Calpol but it gets you hammered:D

Strangely, drink makes me more introspective, moody and depressive.

Vodka's for noobs anyway! I've found Orange Liquer!!!! It tastes like Calpol but it gets you hammered:D

Odd. Not that I have any idea whatsoever, being as I don't drink.

:p

Odd. Not that I have any idea whatsoever, being as I don't drink.

:p

How terribly responsible of you....:D

Strangely, drink makes me more introspective, moody and depressive.

Vodka's for noobs anyway! I've found Orange Liquer!!!! It tastes like Calpol but it gets you hammered:D

Tastes like Calpol?
WHERE CAN I FIND THIS ELIXIR??
*finds capslock key*

...is it wrong to love Calpol?

How terribly responsible of you....:D

Key word. :(

Tastes like Calpol?
WHERE CAN I FIND THIS ELIXIR??
*finds capslock key*

...is it wrong to love Calpol?

Nope. I definitely don't drink it when nobody's at home....:D

And this magic elixir resides in a French hypermarche near Hesdin if I remember correctly.

All of this is from the New American Standard Bible.


Triple Threat!!!

Yeah. Shut up Jesus-freak.

Why, thank you. You've paid me the highest compliment I can be paid. Incidentally, you have also just fulfilled Scripture, as well.

Jhn 15:18 "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before {it hated} you.

Jhn 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

1Jo 3:13 Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.

All of this is from the New American Standard Bible.

In Christ,
Sven <><

Why, thank you. You've paid me the highest compliment I can be paid. Incidentally, you have also just fulfilled Scripture, as well.

Jhn 15:18 "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before {it hated} you.

Jhn 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

1Jo 3:13 Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.

All of this is from the New American Standard Bible.

In Christ,
Sven <><


Wonderful. Truly stirring to see such wilful ignorance of reality.

Actually, given that Christianity seems to object, in varying degrees, to pretty much everything not a part of a monogamous, heterosexual marriage, where do you get off telling me the world hates you? But for religion, the world would be a bloody happier place.

Wonderful. Truly stirring to see such wilful ignorance of reality.

Actually, given that Christianity seems to object, in varying degrees, to pretty much everything not a part of a monogamous, heterosexual marriage, where do you get off telling me the world hates you? But for religion, the world would be a bloody happier place.

Because there is no monopoly on hatred. I know Christians that completely fail to hate anyone... not even the homosexuals and polyams of the world. On the other hand, I know people who are willng to pour vitriol on anyone who dares to claim the mantle of Christianity.

Hatred is unregulated. Apparently, there is more than enough for everyone.

As for people saying being beautiful on the inside is more important or that it makes you truly beautiful, probably the shallowist thing I've ever heard, and also only said by ugly people (at least in my experience).

Your experience isn't worth pissing on, I'm afraid.

Of the people I know that say that regularly, one used to be a pageant princess, and another was a catwalk model... maybe not everyones cup of tea, but 'professionally' pretty enough to kick holes in your little raft.

Wonderful. Truly stirring to see such wilful ignorance of reality.

Actually, given that Christianity seems to object, in varying degrees, to pretty much everything not a part of a monogamous, heterosexual marriage, where do you get off telling me the world hates you? But for religion, the world would be a bloody happier place.

Well, as you sit here and criticize me, calling those of my faith intolerant, are you not being intolerant of my faith? It is you who are willfully ignorant of the fact that there is in fact absolute truth, including about morality.

I would rather not continue this debate on this thread, but if you would like to create a new thread, I would be more than happy to discuss more on this point with you there, as long as you send me a link.

Yours in Christ,
Sven <><

yes you are. semetry is the key to being pretty. youre not horrendous like Brian peppers, but if youre face aint semetrical then your ugly. (Srry for the spelling. i cant spell.)

I would rather not continue this debate on this thread, but if you would like to create a new thread, I would be more than happy to discuss more on this point with you there, as long as you send me a link.

Thank you.
Also, you keep signing off the same way, "Yours in Christ...". Why not just put that in your signature?

We'd all like to believe that only the inside counts. But life shows us that's not true. Beautiful people get treated better.

I disagree. I'm hardly pretty. The difference in how I've been treated in life-as-we-know-it-jim has been entirely dependent on my self-image. Our assessments of ourselves are self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thank you.
Also, you keep signing off the same way, "Yours in Christ...". Why not just put that in your signature?

You're entirely welcome. There is a time and place for debating some things.
And that is not how I always sign things, I use variations of it in different situations, and depending on how I feel.

His,
Sven <><

Wilgrove my final answer to your question- I would tap that ;)

Yeah, you are pretty ugly. No point dancing around that one. But so what? I'm not good at sport, and that is a feature many people find to be attractive. My best mate isn't that intelligent, my wife has small breasts, my dad is balding, and my mum is dead (damned unattractive). A friend of mine simply cannot deal with women, he gets all choked up. He is a great guy, but he just can't be himself. Andaras Prime has a small penis, yet he doesn't let it stop him trolling.

All of this shit impacts on how attractive you are according to the courts of populism, yet none of it amounts to shit. Why? Because aggregate demand in the love market is an abstracted figure that has little to nothing to do with those that actually do love you for who and what you are. Why bother about why people you don't know may or may not value you, and instead focus on why the ones that you do know value you.

I'm hardly pretty.And you'll find people disagreeing with you there. :)

I'm too sexy for my shirt

I'm too sexy for my shirt

Hey baby, my shirt's chaffing me. Mind if I take it off?
...
Ohhh man, now my pants are chafing me!
*picture link denied*

I'm too sexy for this thread
Well, you can't top something like that.

I'm too sexy for this thread

In normal relationships, looks are not a big factor, they are just easily described. Unfortunately, in short encounters and acquaintances such as in business, looks go a long way in people's first impressions. But as someone said already, your own self-image is as important as others image of you in affecting how things turn out.

To the OP: You're just a person, I'd want to get to know you before making any judgements.

I'm not sure I understand why that would be considered shallow. The whole point is that beauty would be more than just skin deep, i.e. not shallow.

It's normally only considered deeper because less people appreciate inner beauty and the ones that don't seem slow, or because people assume outside beauty is in the eye of the beholder and inside isn't for some reason.

It's the same as, wanting intelligence in a future partner, and thinking it makes you better than someone who doesn't. Normally described as being "deeper" than they are. When, in my opinion, only appreciating intelligence and "inner beauty" over stupidity and "outer beauty" is where shallowness comes in, because you're not looking past the basic social rules of "intelligence good" and "beauty not important". I always thought one can find "deep" things in any person, or thing even, no matter it's eliteness or looks, it just depends how you look at it.

I don't think shallow=bad and deep=good either. Plus it's all an opinion, and it probably isn't a universal rule, there are going to be exceptions I would think.

Your experience isn't worth pissing on, I'm afraid.

Of the people I know that say that regularly, one used to be a pageant princess, and another was a catwalk model... maybe not everyones cup of tea, but 'professionally' pretty enough to kick holes in your little raft.

That's why I said "In my experience". I don't know who's is worth pissing on.

And you'll find people disagreeing with you there. :)

:o

I think you're just after mah crazy tiger style. :D

I'm too sexy for this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIdlKd9zdQ

Patrick Stewart is sexier, sorry.

I disagree. I'm hardly pretty. The difference in how I've been treated in life-as-we-know-it-jim has been entirely dependent on my self-image. Our assessments of ourselves are self-fulfilling prophecy.When the library's not about to toss me off the computer I'll have to look some things up. But there are several studies that show that even in daycare, more attractive children are treated better and also rated as being smarter and more honest by the workers.

I'm hardly pretty.You look pretty good when your facial hair (and head hair) is trimmed.

Yes your ugly. But that being said, your uglyness seems to be result of accident or disease and not just "natural uglyness" and for some women(the excessivly compassionate/nurture/mothering/healing type) that will buy you a free pass so to answer your real unstated question, yes it should still be possible to get laid under certian circumstances.

Yeah. Shut up Jesus-freak.

What did one wurst say to the other?
Knock it off, brat.

I disagree. I'm hardly pretty. The difference in how I've been treated in life-as-we-know-it-jim has been entirely dependent on my self-image. Our assessments of ourselves are self-fulfilling prophecy.

Someone's been Star Trekkin across the universe.... ;)

What did one wurst say to the other?
Knock it off, brat.



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to answer your real unstated question, yes it should still be possible to get laid under certian circumstances.
He did that already. There was a thread about it!

There's a place where you can get your "facial personality test (http://similarminds.com/face/start.php)." It won't say how attractive you are, but might explain, say, you peter pan complex.

I'm a Christian, and as I such I second what many of the people have already said (whether we all follow the same worldview or not) Beauty is an issue of the heart. Don't listen to the poll, good buddy. I'd bet my bottom dollar that 100% of the people who said yes are getting a big kick out of being total jerks...

God doesn't care what you look like on the outside- so why should you?

I'm a Christian, and as I such I second what many of the people have already said (whether we all follow the same worldview or not) Beauty is an issue of the heart. Don't listen to the poll, good buddy. I'd bet my bottom dollar that 100% of the people who said yes are getting a big kick out of being total jerks...

God doesn't care what you look like on the outside- so why should you?

Because we live in a godless world

God doesn't care what you look like on the outside- so why should you?

Because we deal with other people in daily life. People who do care and turn him down for it. One can preach all they want about "how beauty is on the inside" and "other things can compensate" but the fact remains that most people will in practice only see the looks.
Which the OP I fear will have to live with. It isn't fair, it isn't nice - but such is life.

of course you arent!!!!!:fluffle:

I dunno man. I would say you aren't attractive by any means or by normal (American) standards, but neither am I. I can understand your desire to look more uniform as everyone else in order to function smoothly with others, but there is no reason why you should try to make yourself perfect or worry if you are or are not attractive.

Whoever has the gumption to tell you that you are ugly is either being honest in their opinion, or they are simply assholes. However, you should define yourself by you accomplishments and hobbies and not by your facial symmetry.

Keep on keepin' on.

PS - I am one chubby SOB, but the girls dig me because of other reasons that don't have to do with my attractiveness.