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We are oddballs, which I'm sure is normal on this forum, but one of our
oddities is that we really enjoy questioning/doubting "orthodox"
American-doctrine stuff like "Man walked on the Moon", and the like. It is
hard to know whether to expose our kids to the debate, or just pretend we
believe the standard story on things and not confuse them.

...

O_o

P.S. Wait, if we convince you of being silly, does that count as solving your problem?

We are oddballs, which I'm sure is normal on this forum, but one of our
oddities is that we really enjoy questioning/doubting "orthodox"
American-doctrine stuff like "Man walked on the Moon", and the like. It is
hard to know whether to expose our kids to the debate, or just pretend we
believe the standard story on things and not confuse them.

first off I'd begin by examining why you question/doubt such things, and whether you do it for the sake of being "odd" or whether you have legitimate intellectual reasons. And whether it would be intellectually honest to pass to your children.

I can't help it if you are indoctrinated with hogwash. I just want to know what the right way to tell my children the truth is.

the irony, it burns!

I can't help it if you are indoctrinated with hogwash. I just want to know what the right way to tell my children the truth is.

...Wait, let say, hypothetically, you aren't telling your kids the truth? Can you be sure? Is it any less indoctrinating to make sure they follow your viewpoint?

I can't help it if you are indoctrinated with hogwash. I just want to know what the right way to tell my children the truth is.

I can't help it if you are indoctrinated with hogwash. I just want to know what the right way to tell my children the truth is.

let them read this page! (http://www.phys.psu.edu/~scalise/misc/crackpot/)

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Dinaverg. Besides, I have intellectual reasons for believing what I do. What are your "intellectual" reasons for believing the things you do?

*was named* :D

Umm...depends, what things exactly? And, considering you put it in scare quotes, what do you mean by intellectual?

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Dinaverg. Besides, I have intellectual reasons for believing what I do. What are your "intellectual" reasons for believing the things you do?

Yeah....sure you do. It's the hallmark of the conspiracy theorist to believe that despite mountains of evidence to the contrary they are the ones who have finally uncovered "the truth"

the irony, it burns!

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Dinaverg. Besides, I have intellectual reasons for believing what I do. What are your "intellectual" reasons for believing the things you do?

let them read this page! (http://www.phys.psu.edu/~scalise/misc/crackpot/)
I don't let my children read internet sites, they are full of lies.

*was named* :D

Umm...depends, what things exactly? And, considering you put it in scare quotes, what do you mean by intellectual?

it's not my word, you should ask Neo whatever what he means by intellectual.

what mountains of evidence? do you believe everything your president says?

You know, forget teaching your kids...I'm not entirely convinced you should be having kids. And considering the only claim you have said you disagree with is the moon landing, there are mountains of proof of that.

We are oddballs, which I'm sure is normal on this forum, but one of our
oddities is that we really enjoy questioning/doubting "orthodox"
American-doctrine stuff like "Man walked on the Moon", and the like. It is
hard to know whether to expose our kids to the debate, or just pretend we
believe the standard story on things and not confuse them.

You could always have your kids listen to Coast to Coast A.M. for all their news.

Yeah....sure you do. It's the hallmark of the conspiracy theorist to believe that despite mountains of evidence to the contrary they are the ones who have finally uncovered "the truth"

what mountains of evidence? do you believe everything your president says?

that's flaming.

Hmm? I find that unlikely...

But I digress, this thread should get interesting. Good way to up the pages. :p

You know, forget teaching your kids...I'm not entirely convinced you should be having kids.

that's flaming.

that's my favorite show!

OK, whose puppet are you? You're just too cute to be real.

that's my favorite show!

Well, problem solved, wot?

srsly though, relative to your amount of presented evidence, it makes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_landing a veritable mountain.

You could always have your kids listen to Coast to Coast A.M. for all their news.

that's my favorite show!

well, it's baiting then, or trolling.

*shrug* Uncomplimentary, no doubt, but I expect it takes more than that...

well, it's baiting then, or trolling.

it would be hard to bait a troll, non? Unless you're laboring under the misapprehention that a random person shows up with no post count, ludicrus claims and a complete inability to post in a cohesive mannor and starts off with an obviously controversial and quite misguided position of "the moon landing was faked"

I mean come on, this has puppet written all over it.

And, to point, if this posted is for real, I think my opinion that, based on the behavior he has demonstrated, he is far too irrational to be a good parent is a perfectly valid one.

Hmm? I find that unlikely...

But I digress, this thread should get interesting. Good way to up the pages. :p

well, it's baiting then, or trolling.

This timewarping is making my head hurt.

that's my favorite show!

Then it's highly likely you'll recognize an indigo child if you have one. If that ends up being the case, the child will be teaching you and not the other way around.

First, it does not matter whether the conspiracy theory is correct or not. As long there are not enough people who believe it, the theory will have no effect whatsoever.

Second, when enough people believe the conspiracy theory, it will have real-world effects, whether it is correct or not. By then it will have ceased to be a conspiracy theory and will have become a social fact.

So boys and girls, stop wasting your time with these theories, as they are fun but useless. :D

you should let your children be indoctrinated with societal truths.

when they are older they can decide for themselves what is true and what isnt.

It doesn't matter whether the moon landing was real or not, because this *spreads digital hands in a gesture to encompass all of the internetz* is fake.

A sham. There is no evidence that the internet exists... pfft.. You really shouldn't believe any of the six senses, including common sense. For goodness sake people, are you all just going to listen to the Presidente!? Why? What makes you want to believe in reality and forego misguided swan-dives into illusion? What is wrong with you people....and your....lies...

It doesn't matter whether the moon landing was real or not, because this *spreads digital hands in a gesture to encompass all of the internetz* is fake.

A sham. There is no evidence that the internet exists... pfft.. You really shouldn't believe any of the six senses, including common sense. For goodness sake people, are you all just going to listen to the Presidente!? Why? What makes you want to believe in reality and forego misguided swan-dives into illusion? What is wrong with you people....and your....lies...
The President???!!!??? Come on now? You believe the president exists? Are you kidding me? The president is a hoax!

We are oddballs, which I'm sure is normal on this forum, but one of our
oddities is that we really enjoy questioning/doubting "orthodox"
American-doctrine stuff like "Man walked on the Moon", and the like. It is
hard to know whether to expose our kids to the debate, or just pretend we
believe the standard story on things and not confuse them.
Get to Above Top Secret. They like this kind of mindless shite there.

The President???!!!??? Come on now? You believe the president exists? Are you kidding me? The president is a hoax!

A Ho...Ho...Hoax!
Just like Santa M.T.A.E Clause.

People here really are mean. :(
Yeah, sorry.

People here really are mean. :(

this is the internet, it's a cold hard place that doesn't suffer fools.

this is the internet, it's a cold hard place that doesn't suffer fools.
I lol'd.

I think its just like santa claus or the easter bunny. If it was me, Id let them grow up believing all of the stuff that they taught us in fifth grade text books just to keep the spirit of american patriotism. Then when they come of age, they will probably just figure it out on their own anyway.

People here really are mean. :(

Meaner to people who pose "questions" that are simply designed to stir up trouble than to those who have reasonable and well considered concerns.

If you actually needed advice on this sort of issue, I am SURE you could have found a better way to ask. And if you wanted to say "I think the moon landing was faked, what do you think?" the best way to say it would have been "I think the moon landing was faked, what do you think?". That might actually have provoked an interesting discussion.

But yeah, we are gonna be mean to people who start off the way you did. Sorry there, bud, but that is how it goes. And if you don't have a thick enough skin to slough that off, perhaps you need to consider a second trip to grade school where they teach you about this whole moon landing thing. I am sure that the second grade teacher will be nicer to you when you tell her you think this is all a hoax. And you might get milk and cookies out of it too.

Meaner to people who pose "questions" that are simply designed to stir up trouble than to those who have reasonable and well considered concerns.

If you actually needed advice on this sort of issue, I am SURE you could have found a better way to ask. And if you wanted to say "I think the moon landing was faked, what do you think?" the best way to say it would have been "I think the moon landing was faked, what do you think?". That might actually have provoked an interesting discussion.

But yeah, we are gonna be mean to people who start off the way you did. Sorry there, bud, but that is how it goes. And if you don't have a thick enough skin to slough that off, perhaps you need to consider a second trip to grade school where they teach you about this whole moon landing thing. I am sure that the second grade teacher will be nicer to you when you tell her you think this is all a hoax. And you might get milk and cookies out of it too.
why do you think I asked if I didn't want to know? is there some game here where people ask questions they don't want the answer to? this indeed is a stupid place if that goes on.

why do you think I asked if I didn't want to know? is there some game here where people ask questions they don't want the answer to? this indeed is a stupid place if that goes on.

No, isn't that Rhetorical Paradise?

why do you think I asked if I didn't want to know? is there some game here where people ask questions they don't want the answer to? this indeed is a stupid place if that goes on.

Fair enough... I will assume you really want advice and just had a very poorly thought out way of asking for it. Well, here is mine.

No, you should not tell your children what you believe. They should be allowed to learn the truth (and apparently it will have to be from the school system) first. Once your children are fully grown, if they seem inclined to ask, you might tell them that you think the moon landing was faked.

why do you think I asked if I didn't want to know? is there some game here where people ask questions they don't want the answer to? this indeed is a stupid place if that goes on.

People all over the world ask questions they don't want to know the answer to all the time, why should NSG be any different?

You ever told a woman that actually that top does make her look fat?

No, isn't that Rhetorical Paradise?

what if there were not rhetorical questions?:eek:

Fair enough... I will assume you really want advice and just had a very poorly thought out way of asking for it. Well, here is mine.

No, you should not tell your children what you believe. They should be allowed to learn the truth (and apparently it will have to be from the school system) first. Once your children are fully grown, if they seem inclined to ask, you might tell them that you think the moon landing was faked.
I guess sending them to school is good then.
People all over the world ask questions they don't want to know the answer to all the time, why should NSG be any different?

You ever told a woman that actually that top does make her look fat?

no, my wife would murder me.

why do you think I asked if I didn't want to know? is there some game here where people ask questions they don't want the answer to? this indeed is a stupid place if that goes on.
People do it in RL all the time. I dunno.

Honestly, the OP was a bit hard to decipher. I didn't know if you were looking for a discussion on the moon landing, conpsiracy theories in general, or on what to teach your kids. I also didn't know if you were being lieteral or posing a "what if" scenario.

I guess sending them to school is good then.
That's usually a good thing, yes.


no, my wife would murder me.
Exactly.

People do it in RL all the time. I dunno.

Honestly, the OP was a bit hard to decipher. I didn't know if you were looking for a discussion on the moon landing, conpsiracy theories in general, or on what to teach your kids. I also didn't know if you were being lieteral or posing a "what if" scenario.


That's usually a good thing, yes.



Exactly.
i want to know if i should lie to my kids or not.

i want to know if i should lie to my kids or not.

No, you should tell them the truth. The truth in this particular issue is that the moon landing was not faked, so go ahead and let the school teach them that.

People here really are mean. :(

Not really. There are plenty of other group therapy forums on the internet with people who will pat you on the back and cry with you and tell you everything will be ok, and you're 100% right. This just isn't one of them, sorry.

Though incidentally, this might be one of the life lessons you'd want to teach your children: Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

i want to know if i should lie to my kids or not.

Your kids need to be taught to be critical thinkers. They need to be inspired to get interested in the world around them and get involved. They need to learn how to fact check, they need to learn how to research, they need to learn what makes a source credible.

Critical thinking is an important skill. One that's too often neglected. They'll figure things out from there. Challenge their perceptions. Make them think.

It's more important they learn how to think than what to think.

Look, your theories can be your theories. I have no issue with that. I've met people who believe 9/11 was a hoax. But, as for your children, let them learn their own way, and what is generally accepted as truth and, typically, backed up by fact. in basis, let them learn what the average school would teach them. you may share opinions if you like, but make it clear that these are theories, especially when they are littler. and, honestly, if you're asking for serious life help from a bunch of people online, I might recommend a good psychology book.

It's times like this that I look at this picture from Hubble's Ultra Deep Field survey(caution, it's a biggie)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Hubble_ultra_deep_field.jpg

And I take comfort in the fact that God probably hedged his bet on humanity out there somewhere. :)

It's times like this that I look at this picture from Hubble's Ultra Deep Field survey(caution, it's a biggie)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Hubble_ultra_deep_field.jpg

And I take comfort in the fact that God probably hedged his bet on humanity out there somewhere. :)
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Everybody lives on a street in a city
Or a village or a town for what it's worth.
And they're all inside a country which is part of a continent
That sits upon a planet known as Earth.
And the Earth is a ball full of oceans and some mountains
Which is out there spinning silently in space.
And living on that Earth are the plants and the animals
And also the entire human race.

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
It's big and black and inky
And we are small and dinky
It's a big universe and we're not.

And we're part of a vast interplanetary system
Stretching seven hundred billion miles long.
With nine planets and a sun; we think the Earth's the only one
That has life on it, although we could be wrong.
Across the interstellar voids are a billion asteroids
Including meteors and Halley's Comet too.
And there's over fifty moons floating out there like balloons
In a panoramic trillion-mile view.

And still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars
In a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
It's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other
And still that's just a fraction of the way.
'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies that stretch across the sky
Filled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.
And still the universe extends to a place that never ends
Which is maybe just inside a little jar!

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
You might think that you're essential
Try inconsequential
It's a small world after all!

*sings (http://youtube.com/watch?v=f_J5rBxeTIk)*
Everybody lives on a street in a city
Or a village or a town for what it's worth.
And they're all inside a country which is part of a continent
That sits upon a planet known as Earth.
And the Earth is a ball full of oceans and some mountains
Which is out there spinning silently in space.
And living on that Earth are the plants and the animals
And also the entire human race.

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
It's big and black and inky
And we are small and dinky
It's a big universe and we're not.

And we're part of a vast interplanetary system
Stretching seven hundred billion miles long.
With nine planets and a sun; we think the Earth's the only one
That has life on it, although we could be wrong.
Across the interstellar voids are a billion asteroids
Including meteors and Halley's Comet too.
And there's over fifty moons floating out there like balloons
In a panoramic trillion-mile view.

And still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars
In a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
It's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other
And still that's just a fraction of the way.
'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies that stretch across the sky
Filled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.
And still the universe extends to a place that never ends
Which is maybe just inside a little jar!

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
You might think that you're essential
Try inconsequential
It's a small world after all!

The Animaniacs rock HARD.

Short answer: Yes, we are really mean. But hey, we can't see or hear you, so you can say anything you like about people here and they won't be able to do anything.

Except for me. I'm hiding in your bedroom.

The Animaniacs rock HARD.

Indeed.:D

Not really. There are plenty of other group therapy forums on the internet with people who will pat you on the back and cry with you and tell you everything will be ok, and you're 100% right. This just isn't one of them, sorry.

Though incidentally, this might be one of the life lessons you'd want to teach your children: Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
Short answer: Yes, we are really mean. But hey, we can't see or hear you, so you can say anything you like about people here and they won't be able to do anything.

Short answer: Yes, we are really mean. But hey, we can't see or hear you, so you can say anything you like about people here and they won't be able to do anything.

Except the mods. Who can ban you. And us, whom(grmr?), will make you rue the day you ever got internet service...and rue it hard.

Or we might be really nice to you in the future. Sickeningly so.

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