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The sphinx has significant signs of water erosion, so it's probably much older than it's claimed.

What's this? Black Hebrew Rasta propaganda? Egyptian high culture was sparked by Mesopotamian traders/invaders, Petrie's so called Dynastic Race.
And btw "Ethiopian" in ancient Greek texts meant basically all of Africa outside the Nile valley, not just what is called Ethiopia today and surely not the Abyssinian highlands.

The whole dealio is pretty fascinating really.

Aliens built everything for sure..

unless we are the aliens, but some sort of super "Dark Age" wiped out all our knowledge...or maybe we were pilgrim aliens who fled authority, but had our minds wiped with the Government of the Homeworld caught up with us...

Geography wasn't one of the strong points with the greeks.

What's this? Black Hebrew Rasta propaganda? Egyptian high culture was sparked by Mesopotamian traders/invaders, Petrie's so called Dynastic Race.


A) All the people in the documentry were white so it's not black Hebrew propoganda

B) I'll check out if Diodorus said that this Monday. :D

Another great video with the claim Egypt has it's roots to the south

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FciCAXYWx3s

I have alot of respect for Basil Davidson, I just checked out a short book by him called 'African Kingdoms'

"The Greeks knew Egypt well, and firmly believed the original Egyptions were black people who came from the south to settle the land of the nile"

no please, I don't want to buy any tinfoil hats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF451nAUC0c&mode=related&search=)

Umm... to some extent, who cares whether the builders of the pyramids were black or white?

I mean, far enough back, everyone's ancestors were black so who gives a shit?

Umm... to some extent, who cares whether the builders of the pyramids were black or white?

I mean, far enough back, everyone's ancestors were black so who gives a shit?

But is Egyptian culture (not race) African or Asiatic? I think that's significant. Also the Sphinx would predate Mesopotamia with water erosion which would also be historically significant

no please, I don't want to buy any tinfoil hats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF451nAUC0c&mode=related&search=)

No one takes the idea that Egypt was white seriously except Stormfront. The mainstream think's they are mixed

But is Egyptian culture (not race) African or Asiatic? I think that's significant.


Why is that significant. It happened like a billion years ago.

Is fairly clear that anyone that has studied the Egyptians would know that the majority were not black. I notice that the same people claim the Pharaohs were black are the same ones that claim Jesus is also black. Out of a total disregard for facts these people continue to propagate lies. I would suggest that these are the ultimate racists that want to substitute their own race for another for the benefit of claiming historical significance.

Umm... to some extent, who cares whether the builders of the pyramids were black or white?

I mean, far enough back, everyone's ancestors were black so who gives a shit?
Yeah, quite.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Tomb_of_Nakht_%282%29.jpg

Look black to me. Not that I really care what 'race' they were.

Is fairly clear that anyone that has studied the Egyptians would know that the majority were not black. I notice that the same people claim the Pharaohs were black are the same ones that claim Jesus is also black. Out of a total disregard for facts these people continue to propagate lies. I would suggest that these are the ultimate racists that want to substitute their own race for another for the benefit of claiming historical significance.

Does the same hold true if I (a white person) claim Egypt is an African culture

No one takes the idea that Egypt was white seriously except Stormfront. The mainstream think's they are mixed

the video never suggested a purely white Egypt but of course mummies don't lie nor do busts or paintings

http://www.foxnews.com/images/242830/1_61_mummy_ramses.jpg

as you can see pharaohs are cracka's either that or there is some mass conspiracy going on

Why is that significant. It happened like a billion years ago.

Um, because our Civilization is built off the foundations of China, Egypt, Greece, Rome and all the others

But is Egyptian culture (not race) African or Asiatic? I think that's significant. Also the Sphinx would predate Mesopotamia with water erosion which would also be historically significant
Well, yeah, only the possible difference in Sphinx age is at all important and to some extent where the builders came from, but that's more to learn about the beginnings of human civilization and early human migration patterns than anything. It really doesn't matter what the colour the builders' skin was.

Um, because our Civilization is built off the foundations of China, Egypt, Greece, Rome and all the others

So what? What does that have to do with anything? Why is this important?

the video never suggested a purely white Egypt but of course mummies don't lie nor do busts or paintings

http://www.foxnews.com/images/242830/1_61_mummy_ramses.jpg

as you can see pharaohs are cracka's either that or there is some mass conspiracy going on

Ok, first explain how that's a white person

the video never suggested a purely white Egypt but of course mummies don't lie nor do busts or paintings

http://www.foxnews.com/images/242830/1_61_mummy_ramses.jpg

as you can see pharaohs are cracka's either that or there is some mass conspiracy going on
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/Mummy_in_Vatican.jpg/317px-Mummy_in_Vatican.jpg
Yeah, they're all pasty ass mofos aren't they?

Well, yeah, only the possible difference in Sphinx age is at all important and to some extent where the builders came from, but that's more to learn about the beginnings of human civilization and early human migration patterns than anything. It really doesn't matter what the colour the builders' skin was.

Basically the same reason I want to know what the missing link is, or someone wanting to calculate pie to a billion places

The sphinx has significant signs of water erosion, so it's probably much older than it's claimed.

Firstly, who gives a moments consideration to the colour of ancient Egyptians? Their depiction of figures suggests that they were more Maghrebain in colour than throughgoingly black.

That said, surely the sphinx would have been subject to significant water erosion at any rate, given it is clearly fairly old?

Basically the same reason I want to know what the missing link is, or someone wanting to calculate pie to a billion places
It still doesn't matter what "race" these people were. Hell, it happened long enough ago that all their descendants have probably scattered everywhere and probably have a rainbow of skin colours between them.

Ok, first explain how that's a white person

heres a better image:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/images/ikra-01f-ramses-ii-l.jpg

now I never thought that I would have to describe what a white man looks like so here goes:

look at the lips and nose good indicators there, how about a nice picture of him alive:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041129/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg

That said, surely the sphinx would have been subject to significant water erosion at any rate, given it is clearly fairly old?

There is some whacky theory that the water erosion "proves" the sphinx is at least 12,000 years old and therefore ... blah blah ... conspiracy theory of history... blah blah ... tin foil ... FDR was a reptile &c.

Complete piffle of course.

heres a better image:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/images/ikra-01f-ramses-ii-l.jpg

now I never thought that I would have to describe what a white man looks like so here goes:

look at the lips and nose good indicators there, how about a nice picture of him alive:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041129/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg


He looks like my old Geography teacher.:D

There is some whacky theory that the water erosion "proves" the sphinx is at least 12,000 years old and therefore ... blah blah ... conspiracy theory of history... blah blah ... tin foil ... FDR was a reptile &c.

Complete piffle of course.

I'm inclined to agree. History is invariably less exciting than we imagine, or we would like.

SNIP

pay attention to the video please where talking of the founding of Egypt not the end of the 25th dynasty

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041129/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg
It's Aradesh!

heres a better image:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/images/ikra-01f-ramses-ii-l.jpg

now I never thought that I would have to describe what a white man looks like so here goes:

look at the lips and nose good indicators there, how about a nice picture of him alive:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041129/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg

The Negro nose you’re thinking about is just that, a stereotype. In other words that mummy could be anything if your only going by the nose. I'm not sure about the lips

I know Herodotus describes the Egyptians as black skinned with wooly hair but I've been told that's because the Egyptions mixed with Africans or something:confused:

Again what I'm concerned about is Egypt's orgins, and of course if they were black that would mean those orgins were from another African Civilization not Asia

That said, surely the sphinx would have been subject to significant water erosion at any rate, given it is clearly fairly old?


That's the important part, it's in a area that has been desert for thousands of years=no water erosion

That is evidence Civilization predates Mesopotamia


P.S. Stop saying skin color doesn't matter I'm talking about the orgins and time this Civilization was built not race which has no use in science.

I'll admit it they were blue

The Negro nose you’re thinking about is just that, a stereotype. In other words that mummy could be anything if your only going by the nose. I'm not sure about the lips

yeah noses aren't influenced by ancestral location at all! I bet genes do it for shits and giggles myself

Again what I'm concerned about is Egypt's orgins, and of course if they were black that would mean those orgins were from another African Civilization not Asia

and exactly where are you being told they came from Asia? (though you would be a fool to say that tribal movement before the Egyptian civilization wouldn't include Asia)

That's the important part, it's in a area that has been desert for thousands of years=no water erosion

That is evidence Civilization predates Mesopotamia


P.S. Stop saying skin color doesn't matter I'm talking about the orgins and time this Civilization was built not race which has no use in science.

I'll admit it they were blue

I must confess the reverential capitalisation of "Civilisation" in your post does rather set the tone; credulous nonsense. Presumably your looking for the hall of records as well?

As for Giza being desert; that does not preclude its recieving rainfall. Moreover, its being a desert suggests that wind erosion would be a rather more efficient eroder than water, a fact you seem to overlook. Indeed, have you considered the rock used to construct the sphinx; it might just be softer than the constituents of the surrounding sand, in which case the disproportionate rate of erosion is easily explained.

I'm talking about the orgins and time this Civilization was built not race which has no use in science.

1) your thread title deceives you
2) Egypt had a close connection with Mesopotamia if Egypt had formed earlier you would expect either Mesopotamian civilizations forming far earlier or Mesopotamian civilizations having a technological development that made no sense

unfortunately history proves you wrong (http://xkcd.com/258/)

We can all pretend this thread never happened right? :sniper:

btw black people also have the pointed nose and it hasn't rained in the Sahara for thousands of years :D

btw black people also have the pointed nose and it hasn't rained in the Sahara for thousands of years :D

Also not true.

http://www.world66.com/africa/egypt/giza/lib/climate

We can all pretend this thread never happened right? :sniper:


Nope. Every day for the rest of your NSG life, I will remind you of this thread.

Let it haunt you. MWAHAHAH!....
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:)

Ancient Egyptians were multiethnic. There is little doubt that skin color had little to no effect on determining the ruling class.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/Balderdash71964/nefertari_multicultural.jpg
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/ahmosenefertari.html

Even after Alexander the Great liberated Egypt from Assyrian rule he instituted the traditional egyptian rulers to be multicultural "Egyptians, Macedonians and Persians to rule Egypt along traditional lines" link (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/alexanderthegreat.htm)

Who the fuck cares what color the Egyptians were?

Ultimately there is no race, and this is all bull shit.

Who the fuck cares what color the Egyptians were?

Ultimately there is no race, and this is all bull shit.

There is a race.. The human race. :)

There is a race.. The human race. :)

You know what I meant...

Hardly. The sphinx wasn't built by a black African or an Egyptian. Or hebrews either. It was built by a single white man. Me. With the aid of my time machine, three wombats and a bottle of Kentucky Bourbon.

Geography wasn't one of the strong points with the greeks.

Haha, 10 points!

heres a better image:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/images/ikra-01f-ramses-ii-l.jpg

now I never thought that I would have to describe what a white man looks like so here goes:

look at the lips and nose good indicators there, how about a nice picture of him alive:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041129/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg
Well, he looks like a near stereotypical Arab. He also looks uncannily like a chef I used to work for who was incidentally from Egypt.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/digitalnoface/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg
Familiar?

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/digitalnoface/041129_coslog_bcol2_2p.standard.jpg
Familiar?

Extremely...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/DarkSideOfTheSpoon/statue.jpg

I always thuogh the Ancient egyptians looked almost like the the egyptians of today

But is Egyptian culture (not race) African or Asiatic? I think that's significant.Egyptian culture is a blend of native African cultures of the Nile valley and Mesopotamian (if you want to call that 'Asiatic') culture brought to northeast Africa since around 3100 BCE by maritime expeditions (first trading then military) from the Persian Gulf around the Arabian peninsula (and via Punt on both sides of the bab-el-Mandab) to the Erythrean (Red) Sea and on via the Wadis (e.g. Hammamat) into the Nile valley.

Does the same hold true if I (a white person) claim Egypt is an African culture

Egypt is an African culture. However as to the poster that you are asking this I would say that not all Africans were/are black.

Egypt is an African culture. However as to the poster that you are asking this I would say that not all Africans were/are black.
The what does "African" mean when it comes to culture? Just the geographic location where the culture happens to occur or something else?