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Possible British General Election - Page 2

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Rome and Italian alies
04-10-2007, 17:57
OK seeing as everyone is having a go at me about not being bothered to speak properly, and so obviously haven't heard my new proposal to actually speak properly, tehn I will tell you again, I shall now speak like an English man should speak. No more short - cut spelling. Now lets get this topic back to the election.
Rome and Italian alies
04-10-2007, 18:01
Does the government have any control over the examination papers, I thought that was ofsted. I just want to maek sure before making a statement and then look like a fool. How do you like the spelling?
Rome and Italian alies
04-10-2007, 18:18
It does away with, I quote "a tax on thrift and enterprise". It is an excellent, reponsible policy, and, in light of what I still consider a superficial prosperity under Labour, those who voted with their wallets in 1997 might just do so again seeking to protect what they have earned.

What do you mean? blame labour for many reasons, but don't blame them for a bad economy... 'Why's that?' I hear you say, well how does... It's bloody good sound, a damn sight better than what was inherited anyway.
Teriyakinae
04-10-2007, 22:19
OK seeing as everyone is having a go at me about not being bothered to speak properly, and so obviously haven't heard my new proposal to actually speak properly, tehn I will tell you again, I shall now speak like an English man should speak. No more short - cut spelling. Now lets get this topic back to the election.

...You made two typos.
I'm never speaking to you again :p
Chumblywumbly
04-10-2007, 22:34
I am. The family unit deserves recognition in tax; divorce is ludicrously easy at present, and a crucial contributor to juvenile delinquency, falling academic standards (I don’t give a fuck what Labour claims, examinations are far easier now than before, and thus the results all but worthless).
First, why on Earth would a tax break help the divorce rate? If people are going to get divorced, a bit of extra cash per week certainly won’t change their minds.

Second, are you not off to Uni in the next few days? If so, do you consider your exam results worthless? I don’t disagree with you on the mishandling of education by Labour, just interested to hear your views. You often talk about a ‘generation of delinquents’ or ‘generation of idiots’... which you seem to be part of.
The blessed Chris
04-10-2007, 23:34
What do you mean? blame labour for many reasons, but don't blame them for a bad economy... 'Why's that?' I hear you say, well how does... It's bloody good sound, a damn sight better than what was inherited anyway.

It is, prima facie, excellent. Consider it within a period of general global prosperity, and Brown's achievements seem rather less impressive however. Moreover, it is a superficial prosperity for most; they are taxed 50% more than a decade previously, and many are heavily reliant upon credit.
The blessed Chris
04-10-2007, 23:43
First, why on Earth would a tax break help the divorce rate? If people are going to get divorced, a bit of extra cash per week certainly won’t change their minds.

Second, are you not off to Uni in the next few days? If so, do you consider your exam results worthless? I don’t disagree with you on the mishandling of education by Labour, just interested to hear your views. You often talk about a ‘generation of delinquents’ or ‘generation of idiots’... which you seem to be part of.

The education system is horrifically plebian and anti-intellectual; anybody who has compared contemporary A level papers to those pre-Blair and pre-AS level can appreciate quite how less challenging even an academic A level is today.

That said, worthless might be excessive. Examination results have been artificially inflated so as to give the illusion of success, which hence does reduce the value of an A grade both in a professional, and UCAS, context, given that those who would previously have recieved a B or C for the same work now recieve an A. Perhaps I'm being more of an academic snob than usual, however, it strikes me that the very real dumbing down of education is counter-productive for all concerned; not only does it allow the less able entry into universities and jobs for which they are eminently unsuited, but it stifles the progress of the gifted within the state system, thus widening the disparity between private and state education.

As for my ranting about the "youth of today", I both am and am not a member of said generation. The delinquents so regularly criticised can be conveniantly placed under the term "chav"; generally lower and lower middle class kids on council estates, bereft of responsible parenting or genuine education, with no consideration of the implications of their actions. Many things I am, but not that.

Regarding divorce, I have a suspicion many divorces now are unnecessary; part of a misguided belief that if one marries enough one might stumble upon the "one", rather than accepting what might not be a perfect situation. By the same measure, many divorces are very necessary, of course.
Rome and Italian alies
05-10-2007, 07:53
That is true we are over-reliant on credit, but that was something that was started under Thatcher with all that de-regulation. Although the government should try and reduce the amount of personal debt and indeed their own debt for future generations, atelast we ain't as bad as USA though, now they are the ones in debt.
Peepelonia
05-10-2007, 10:14
I only watched the highlights in honesty; I was at a funeral in the day, with a free bar!:)

He did, as ever, circumvent the issue of income tax other than offering a tax break for married couples, however, he did pledge to make Afghanistan the focus of foreign policy. This would suggest, given how overstretched the armed forces are, that he proposes withdrawal from Iraq.

Oh, crucially, he did pledge to create a fund for those whose pensions Brown either stole or was unable, or unwilling, to save. I must confess this did impress me mightily.

He also made the speech without a cue; I am aware he will rehearsed it to high heaven, and it is a gimmick, but still, Cameron has actually almost won me over at conference:eek:


Aside from him being a Tory and all that,(admitting bias here) every time I see him on TV I get the impression that whatever he says is only to placate as many people as possible, I see no signs of any substance behind his words.
The blessed Chris
05-10-2007, 10:35
Aside from him being a Tory and all that,(admitting bias here) every time I see him on TV I get the impression that whatever he says is only to placate as many people as possible, I see no signs of any substance behind his words.

I agree with the former; his job is essentially to appease the Tory old guard and the right of the party, whilst pretending his really quite a nice chap to the centre ground.

Strangely though, there was substance to his conference speech. Thats right actual policies:eek: I may have been wrong regarding Cameron; he may have been sincere in asserting that he would wait for the policy review groups to report before outlining policy.
The blessed Chris
05-10-2007, 10:36
That is true we are over-reliant on credit, but that was something that was started under Thatcher with all that de-regulation. Although the government should try and reduce the amount of personal debt and indeed their own debt for future generations, atelast we ain't as bad as USA though, now they are the ones in debt.

Oh yes. Well at least we aren't as poorly off as (insert basket case economy/society) here; in which case there's just no point trying to achieve perfection is there?
Rome and Italian alies
05-10-2007, 13:04
Oh yes. Well at least we aren't as poorly off as (insert basket case economy/society) here; in which case there's just no point trying to achieve perfection is there?

I dont know what you mean, but I think it's that you think I think that if some place is really bad, worse than us, then that gives us a reason not to improve. Well if that is what you meant then you are wrong.
Dashanzi
05-10-2007, 15:52
Why encourage marriage? There's no need; indeed, it's unjustifiably discriminatory against couples who are stable and committed yet don't feel the need to rubber stamp their love for each other (certain sexual habits aside).
Dundee-Fienn
05-10-2007, 15:59
I dont know what you mean, but I think it's that you think I think that if some place is really bad, worse than us, then that gives us a reason not to improve. Well if that is what you meant then you are wrong.

Read the last sentence your post back to yourself. Thats what he was saying to you
Rome and Italian alies
05-10-2007, 16:21
I thought so