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"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."The spreading of free corn is a separate issue than the entrapment of the pigs. Which fences are going up, and how do they relate to the corn?

So where'd you steal that from? It may be the most flawed analogy ever and I'd like to inform the author.

here we go again :rolleyes:

your story is most likely bullshit as is the plot and idea that someone with a bullet lodged in there back causing pain would be against getting medical aid

edit: does that make me a lazy American?

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

So you think that Americans are as intelligent as pigs?

An interesting position to hold in what seems like a pro-Amercan post.

To answer the original question - yup, I am.

Not having to do with anything you posted, just because I am 1) lazy, and 2) an american...

So you think that Americans are as intelligent as pigs?

An interesting position to hold in what seems like a pro-Amercan post.

Don't ask him questions, it's not his thought.

It comes from no less than SIX different sources:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22He+had+been+shot+while+fighting+communists+in+his+native+country%2C+who+were+trying+to+o verthrow+his+country%27s+government+and+install+a+new+communist+government.%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

That is the most inefficient way of catching wild pigs I have ever heard. Just fucking shoot them!

Flawed example, but he has a point.

That is the most inefficient way of catching wild pigs I have ever heard. Just fucking shoot them!

You can start with the fence and gate in place and just leave a trail of feed into the fence, but then it's not a right winger's wet dream about equating liberals to ignorant pigs. Though speaking of porcine intellect (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/28/dems-seize-on-limbaughs-phony-soldier-comment/#more-2236).

Flawed example, but he has a point.

No he doesn't. The ones in America who are quickest to destroy freedom are those who would vote against anything remotely "socialist". He quoted a right winger blog post verbatim, he doesn't have anything resembling a point. The story is clearly bullshit.

You do realize that Americans work longer hours and have higher productivity than any other industrialized nation? Or maybe ya don't.

Keep your hands off mah pigs!!!:upyours:

No he doesn't. The ones in America who are quickest to destroy freedom are those who would vote against anything remotely "socialist". He quoted a right winger blog post verbatim, he doesn't have anything resembling a point. The story is clearly bullshit.

Story yes it is bullcrap.

But the point of general freedoms being eroded in America (and the Uk for that matter) is truish. Not as bad as the story made out, but a growing problem.

That is the most inefficient way of catching wild pigs I have ever heard. Just fucking shoot them!

no as any good farmer will tell you the idea is to catch the pigs and revolutionize modern transportation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/culture/nature/stories/2004/02/images/pig-riding-150.jpg

You can start with the fence and gate in place and just leave a trail of feed into the fence, but then it's not a right winger's wet dream about equating liberals to ignorant pigs. Though speaking of porcine intellect (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/28/dems-seize-on-limbaughs-phony-soldier-comment/#more-2236).

That's another thing. Shouldn't the right wingers be in favour of all this taking away freedoms to protect the country nonsense?

Hell yeah. I love being lazy. I wouldn't want to live in a world where we didn't have people collectively helping one another have easier lives.

no as any good farmer will tell you the idea is to catch the pigs and revolutionize modern transportation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/culture/nature/stories/2004/02/images/pig-riding-150.jpg

That's LG. It has to be.

no as any good farmer will tell you the idea is to catch the pigs and revolutionize modern transportation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/culture/nature/stories/2004/02/images/pig-riding-150.jpg

A guy is riding a female pig naked. I think he's gonna fuck it.

A guy is riding a female pig naked. I think he's gonna fuck it.

that would be doubley unkosher

No, I'm a lazy Englander. Makes that any odds?

A guy is riding a female pig naked. I think he's gonna fuck it.

are you implying that the student got a bullet in his backside for different reasons altogether?

I'm trying to figure out what freedoms we are losing by enjoying the fruits of collective assistance.

The freedom of being gang raped by corporate America.

are you implying that the student got a bullet in his backside for different reasons altogether?

Wouldn't be the first time a pig farmer shot someone.

That's another thing. Shouldn't the right wingers be in favour of all this taking away freedoms to protect the country nonsense?



I'm trying to figure out what freedoms we are losing by enjoying the fruits of collective assistance.

So you think that Americans are as intelligent as pigs?

An interesting position to hold in what seems like a pro-Amercan post.

Actually, I have found that pigs can be very intelligent animals, which sadly I can't always say about many people.

The story was from an email I received. I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity.

Is it so bad being in the pen? After all, in the wild I may not have access to the healthcare that can be provided by the vets I get when I'm in the pen and may find myself dying from some easily preventable illness, if only I could get access to a vet. I also get to choose my farmers wether I'm in the pen or in the wild so there's no loss there. If I'm a particularly successful pig I may even have the opportunity to become farmer myself one day. I even have animal welfare groups to look out for my interests, in case the farmer decides to abuse me. What's more, I'm not even limited to the pen I'm in and can move to another farm if I really want to. Being in the pen isn't so bad.

Traditionally the Republican party has been the one safeguarding indivdual rights. Now it's more like, "pick the group of rights you feel you can life without."

Must of been before my time, but now they're beholden to the religious right, atleast socially. Interesting how they're not beholden to them fiscally. If they were then we'd see far more "socialist" programs. All that love thy fellow man crap.

That's another thing. Shouldn't the right wingers be in favour of all this taking away freedoms to protect the country nonsense?

Traditionally the Republican party has been the one safeguarding indivdual rights. Now it's more like, "pick the group of rights you feel you can life without."

I'm trying to figure out what freedoms we are losing by enjoying the fruits of collective assistance.

The freedom to eat swill and wallow in the mud.

Actually, I have found that pigs can be very intelligent animals, which sadly I can't always say about many people.

The story was from an email I received. I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity.

If you post inanity, can you really be surprised by the response you get back?

The freedom of being gang raped by corporate America.

Ah, of course!

The freedom to needlessly starve.

The freedom to die of an easily curable ailment.

The freedom to sleep on the streets.

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

Ah, of course!

The freedom to needlessly starve.

The freedom to die of an easily curable ailment.

The freedom to sleep on the streets.

Yup (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7018057.stm), thank god the Republicans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7017551.stm) are here to save us.

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?



I'm a 33 y/o professional that owns a home is starting his own business. You?

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

27, working lower class. If you quote Churchill I'll scream.

Yup (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7018057.stm), thank god the Republicans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7017551.stm) are here to save us.


That's because the Republicans have a direct line to God.

COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!

Capitalist pig farmer!

At best, this is the bitter rantings of someone who fought against "communism" (or the fascism that the USSR called communism) and now sees a communist opressor under every rock. At worst, this is a complete fabrication. The second one seems likely, as any teacher I know of, hearing that a student had a bullet lodged in his back, would stop class and make sure that said student got medical assistance. Such a teacher would not go then to ask the punchline of a joke about wild pigs.

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

You really need to go back to How to Make a Thread 101.

I'm a 33 y/o professional that owns a home is starting his own business. You?

COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!

You really need to go back to How to Make a Thread 101.

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

At best, this is the bitter rantings of someone who fought against "communism" (or the fascism that the USSR called communism) and now sees a communist opressor under every rock. At worst, this is a complete fabrication. The second one seems likely, as any teacher I know of, hearing that a student had a bullet lodged in his back, would stop class and make sure that said student got medical assistance. Such a teacher would not go then to ask the punchline of a joke about wild pigs.

Wow. I knew many people didn't read an entire thread before posting. I didn't realize some posters don't even finish the first page.:confused:

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

From some of the arguments I've seen on these forums, this means that as a single mother you automatically are in poverty. Hmm... wait... you're not? No welfare? No food stamps? You actually pay for your own health care coverage? It is Possible to afford private health care! OMG!

Wow. I knew many people didn't read an entire thread before posting. I didn't realize some posters don't even finish the first page.:confused:

I like just responding to titles meself

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

Oh this raises so many fun questions:

1) What do you do for a living?
2) Do you receive alimony?
3) Do you receive child support?
4) Do your children receive any grants for schooling?
5) Does your daughter get free school lunches?


If you answered yes to any of the latter four questions, thank the "communists".

I really would love to know your answers.

And you my friend need to grow up!

She was right. Pasting an article(and I use that in the loosest sense of the word) and providing no commentary of your own is considered bad form. If you want to have a discussion about communism then take a position and support it, don't just paste someone else's crappy blog post.

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....



Did you grow up disadvantaged. Any major medical emergencies or medical conditions in the family? Go to college? If so, how did you pay for it? Were you ever abused as a child?

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

So you post fictious, fallacious inanity for your OP. When that fails to start any debate beyond people calling bullshit, you try to jumpstart the thread by questions on people's socioeconomic background. How about a well constructed OP to start with?

Edit: You are also forgetting a very important piece of the pie. This is a worldwide message board. Don't you think a poster's country of origin is relevant?

She was right. Pasting an article(and I use that in the loosest sense of the word) and providing no commentary of your own is considered bad form. If you want to have a discussion about communism then take a position and support it, don't just paste someone else's crappy blog post.

agreed


Mods also frown on copy paste threads starters with no input from the poster.

I like just responding to titles meself
You sir, are a true Generalite.

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

so?

cant i be happy for the basic safety net my government provides AND resist tyranny at the same time?

Egy Nemzet don't you respond to posts addressing you in your own thread?

Lay some of that intelligence you were looking for in this thread to counter the stupid you were expecting.

Egy Nemzet don't you respond to posts addressing you in your own thread?

Lay some of that intelligence you were looking for in this thread to counter the stupid you were expecting.

We scared "her" off.

1) What do you do for a living?

If you answered yes to any of the latter four questions, thank the "communists".

http://images1.reviewcentre.com/sent-in/item83747.jpg :eek:

(I wanted a picture with the oddly unattractive-but-not-necessarily-bad blond girl but this is all I could find)

Of course I'm a lazy American, but my take on it is totally unrelated to your (somewhat) trite story. American progress is the story of lazy Americans. Because we're lazy, we found faster, easier, better, cheaper ways of doing things - laziness is the mother of efficiency.

Of course, this can be said of the entire human race.

Oh this raises so many fun questions:

1) What do you do for a living?
2) Do you receive alimony?
3) Do you receive child support?
4) Do your children receive any grants for schooling?
5) Does your daughter get free school lunches?


If you answered yes to any of the latter four questions, thank the "communists".

I really would love to know your answers.

Wow!!! For someone who doesn't know how to start a thread....

1. I work for an advertising firm that raises money for the athletic departments in schools.

2. I receive no alimony

3. I receive no child support

4. My Son receives the Atlantis grant in the field of chemistry, which is a working grant to study in Ireland and Germany given to only 3 students a year. When he graduates he will have a dual degree.

5. What is a free lunch?

Well you know how evil it is for a society to come together to try to make sure that the people lowest on the totem pole have at least the basics.

I don't know why we have these socialist policies anyway. I hear that charity would have taken care of the needy anyway. It was already working so well, why the hell have the govt. step in?

Wow. I knew many people didn't read an entire thread before posting. I didn't realize some posters don't even finish the first page.:confused:

So tell me what part of my response led you to the mistaken belief that I hadn't read the first page before posting it?

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

BS, no females on the internet

Alternative response: I could have found that blog myself, don't you have three jobs to go work simultaneously while going to law school and juggling?

So tell me what part of my response led you to the mistaken belief that I hadn't read the first page before posting it?

At best, this is the bitter rantings of someone who fought against "communism" (or the fascism that the USSR called communism) and now sees a communist opressor under every rock. At worst, this is a complete fabrication. The second one seems likely, as any teacher I know of, hearing that a student had a bullet lodged in his back, would stop class and make sure that said student got medical assistance. Such a teacher would not go then to ask the punchline of a joke about wild pigs.
Rather pointless post given this:
Don't ask him questions, it's not his thought.

It comes from no less than SIX different sources:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22He+had+been+shot+while+fighting+communists+in+his+native+country%2C+who+were+trying+to+o verthrow+his+country%27s+government+and+install+a+new+communist+government.%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Desont' seem like you'd post your musings on the validity of the story if you read that post.

Rather pointless post given this:

Desont' seem like you'd post your musings on the validity of the story if you read that post.

having been thrown around the internets enough to wind up in six different places says nothing about it's validity. (and looking over those sites, most seem to be blogs referencing the email.)

I'm trying to figure out what freedoms we are losing by enjoying the fruits of collective assistance.

The freedom to fail and be miserable all our lives.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/johnnybmetal/fail.jpg

Hell yeah. I love being lazy. I wouldn't want to live in a world where we didn't have people collectively helping one another have easier lives.

Fucking communist! Don't you know that the only glory to be found is in needlessly struggling and risking your life in the pursuit of...um...something important? Because improving life, and making sure that more people have access to necessities is WRONG! LAZY AMERICAN PIG!

Fucking communist! Don't you know that the only glory to be found is in needlessly struggling and risking your life in the pursuit of...um...something important? Because improving life, and making sure that more people have access to necessities is WRONG! LAZY AMERICAN PIG!

If my country helping the needy as a collective body is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Long live not-the-Republicans!

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

I grew up in poverty, as a minority, and because of the help I have received from our various social systems, I did not die of a preventable childhood disease. I was given a free education. With that education, I was able to get into a post-secondary institution, where part of my fees were paid for by social systems intended to get more of my people into higher paid positions. Because of these social systems I am not only the first person in my entire extended family to graduate from high school, but also to graduate from University. I taught for five years as a member of a union that protected my rights, and ensured a living wage, as well as medical and assorted other benefits for myself and my family. I then accessed more money provided for those who wish to pursue education, to get into law school. None of which would be possible in a society where the 'ebil communists' were forbidden to extend social help to the general populace.

And no, I'm not from the US.

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

I'm a 21 year old student. Without the two forms of welfare upon which I currently depend (student loan, tuition fees grant, council tax exemption, all manner of student discounts) I wouldn't be able to attend my university, despite being more than academically qualified to do so. Perhaps you think that's fair?

Actually, I have found that pigs can be very intelligent animals, which sadly I can't always say about many people.

The story was from an email I received. I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity.

so lemme get this straight. You stole someone elses words, added no commentary, gave none of your personal input, contributed nothing your own to any discussion, and didn't even bother to attempt to not take credit for a work that was 100% not yours.

Then you get shocked that people don't take your bullshit seriously?

Ya reap what ya sow man. Seriously, if you can't even be bothered to contribute one iota of original thought into your post, then at least have the intellectual honest to admit you're stealing someone elses point in its entirety and not be a plagerist.

Which, if you ask me, is a pretty fucking lazy thing to do.

And you my friend need to grow up!

I asked because I wanted to know from what view point of life these responses are coming from.

As for me I am a working 50 y/o single mother...BTW I have a son in college and a teenaged daughter I support. I've never been on welfare...no food stamps.... I pay for my own health care coverage.....

I hate to break it to you, and perhaps you should sit down for this...

But you do not pay for your own health care coverage. Oh fine, you pay a certain amount, user fees and what have you, direct taxes and so on, but if you actually think you are paying the actual cost of the health care system you are accessing, you are deluded. That system could not exist without the 'communistic' pooling of public funds. If it were up to you as an individual, to pay the cost of accessing healthcare, you'd be lucky to get cat wtih a stethescope.

And supporting your offspring...don't you worry that will weaken them? Communist.

And no, I'm not from the US.

Then you don't count. Go wait in line for your socialist bread.

Than you don't count. Go wait in line for your socialist bread.
Bread made by the workers, for the workers and of the workers?
Eugh.

Bread made by the workers, for the workers and of the workers?
Eugh.

Soylent socialists?

Soylent socialists?

So that's what Soylent Red was...

So that's what Soylent Red was...

Never has crippling overcrowding been so tasty!

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?Close enough. And I was working middle class until I became disabled. And I don't feel the least bit guilty about collected the tiny disability check each month that I paid into for 20 years.

The usual "I made so screw those who can't" rant of those with no compassion. And yes, I was always a damn socialist, long before I needed the help of such socialist programs as Social Security.

So you think that Americans are as intelligent as pigs?

An interesting position to hold in what seems like a pro-Amercan post.

Hey, you've heard Churchill's quote, yes?

I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.

As to the main analogy, it does hold farther than I would like it to. Although it's not really corn as much as setting off bombs in other locations, to herd them into the fences.

A recent piece I wrote on a similar subject is here (http://b.armory.com/~xyzzy/privacy)

Then you don't count. Go wait in line for your socialist bread.

Well damn if you yanks are lazy pigs, what are we Canuks? Lazy Lenins?

Hey, you've heard Churchill's quote, yes?



As to the main analogy, it does hold farther than I would like it to. Although it's not really corn as much as setting off bombs in other locations, to herd them into the fences.

A recent piece I wrote on a similar subject is here (http://b.armory.com/~xyzzy/privacy)

You've heard of HTML yes?

Also WHY THE CHURCHILL QUOTES? Jesus.

Close enough. And I was working middle class until I became disabled. And I don't feel the least bit guilty about collected the tiny disability check each month that I paid into for 20 years.



I totally thought you were a young-un!

Well you can catch pigs this way, but as someone else mentioned it is much easier to just leave a trail of feed into an already built pen, and to answer someone's question you wouldn't shoot them because then you can't raise more pigs. However I find it hard to believe that an American professor wouldn't stop a student at "I have a bullet in my back," with "HOLY JUMPING GEE-HOSAFAT!!!"

I totally thought you were a young-un!

I'm immature. Does that count? :p

You've heard of HTML yes?

Also WHY THE CHURCHILL QUOTES? Jesus.

I have heard of html. I also chose not to use it.

The Churchill quote was because someone complained about comparing humans to pigs.

Hm. On investigation, that needs to be rejigged to 80 columns. It will be in a moment.

Well you can catch pigs this way, but as someone else mentioned it is much easier to just leave a trail of feed into an already built pen, and to answer someone's question you wouldn't shoot them because then you can't raise more pigs. However I find it hard to believe that an American professor wouldn't stop a student at "I have a bullet in my back," with "HOLY JUMPING GEE-HOSAFAT!!!"

Depends what you shoot them with.

First of all...some have said that the US is hardest working and most productive. This is as flawed as the original post.

Americans are only the most productive in the context of the system that they created to measure productivity. If we attempted to create an objective basis for determining what kind of work is ACTUALLY productive (which is to say, at least in my mind, that it provides the greatest benefit to living systems as a whole [of which we are a small and precariously balanced part, despite our delusions of being above the food chain...the top is the trickiest spot on the ladder my friends]), we might find that the US is actually one of the most destructive. The amount of resources we use far exceeds any other country on earth, and the amount of useful, reusable and beneficial (ecologically, health-wise, mentally) products we create are among the lowest.

The US media is a cess-pool of sex and violence, providing such little news that anyone serious about learning what is going on in the world either must look at the international media or alternative news sources. Our movies are over-whelming crap which damages the mind and the nervous system through over-stimulation without depth. Our television is the most insidious disease to hit the world since the bubonic plague.

US backed industries are causing irreparable ecological damage world-wide. To be fair, most of these are private industries which are owned by international financiers and banking interests who value money over all else. As we move towards the creation of the one-world government, we will see the US's role in this great movement, which started around the Industrial revolution.

The US has the highest rate of voluntary disease in the world. By voluntary, I mean disease that your own bad habits brought upon you. Preying off of that, US backed pharmaceutical companies have made a killing off of selling poisons to people, drugs which combat one symptom (without treating the cause) while creating more "treatable" symptoms. Cancer is on the rise. Heart-disease and diabetes are becoming "normal".

The inital metaphor was not so far off. The moral was distorted by agenda, but there has been a cage built around the complacency of a public which will eat garbage if you put it on a dollar menu, and will watch garbage if there's breasts involved, and will vote for garbage if you can convince them that the other guy is worse garbage.

If the pigs were aware enough to pay attention to first part of the fence, then they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would question why someone is giving them free corn, they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would focus less on survival and more on living well, then it wouldn't matter even if they were caught.

Needless to say...the agenda (as always) distorts the message. Yet we are pigs in a cage. How did we get here? Out of fear, coercion, and mind games that have been used on human populations effectively for thousands of years.

So, stop arguing, and lets learn something people. How many more "facilities" (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html) will the government need to build before we recognize that Nazi Germany was not a one-time shot, and that this force (that which seeks to control and enslave) appears in every generation, and needs to be fought back each time.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

The cage is built. Lets see which pigs get caught.

Bread made by the workers, for the workers and of the workers?
Eugh.


OMG just don't inform me of where they get the milk for the cheese

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."
The OP forgot to finish the anecdote:
The professor was touched by the young man's story. The next day in class, he made an announcement:
"I do not want to take away your freedoms with pampering," he told his students. "That is why, starting today, you must learn Chemistry on your own."
The students appeared confused, but the professor went on:
"Also, I don't want you to grow weak. Thus, I will be periodically mugging you in the parking lot. Those of you who are not independent enough to fend me off will be the first to go."
And so, thanks to the wise professor and the brave student, an entire class was able to live their lives the way God intended: ignorant, and with almost no money.

The OP forgot to finish the anecdote:Don't forget the bullet. Lodged and all...

There is a huge difference between free corn and socialism.

Don't forget the bullet. Lodged and all...

Oh yes: The brave student later went back to his home country, where he continued keeping the Communists at bay. His name...was Augusto Pinochet.

And now you know the rest of the story...

There is a huge difference between free corn and socialism.
Says who?
In reality, there's less difference than you think.

Oh yes:
:fluffle:

no as any good farmer will tell you the idea is to catch the pigs and revolutionize modern transportation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/culture/nature/stories/2004/02/images/pig-riding-150.jpg

Stop spying on me!!! :mad:

That is the most inefficient way of catching wild pigs I have ever heard. Just fucking shoot them!

typical lazy fuckin american LOL uk rules

Well damn if you yanks are lazy pigs, what are we Canuks? Lazy Lenins?

Lazy maple leaves? :confused:

Lazy maple leaves? :confused:

Wouldn't that be a pot leaf?

Lazy Loons?

typical lazy fuckin american LOL uk rules

He's from Ireland, dumbass.

Plagiarism. How original.

Apparently the poster is a lazy American -- no original thought, just cut and paste.

typical lazy fuckin american LOL uk rules

I think you got lost on your way to youtube. Please to be leaving now.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

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I can't MST this one!

Plagiarism. How original.

Apparently the poster is a lazy American -- no original thought, just cut and paste.
Maybe she was trying for ironic?

I should MST this but I can't.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

Now that is an analogy that I like and so fitting too. Kruschev said it that America would not be thrown into communism but that socialism would be introduced a little bit at a time until one day we would wake up and be a communist place. I still don't see it happening to that extreme but we're definitely swinging left and it sickens me.

thread title

no

rest: tl;dr

First of all...some have said that the US is hardest working and most productive. This is as flawed as the original post.

Americans are only the most productive in the context of the system that they created to measure productivity. If we attempted to create an objective basis for determining what kind of work is ACTUALLY productive (which is to say, at least in my mind, that it provides the greatest benefit to living systems as a whole [of which we are a small and precariously balanced part, despite our delusions of being above the food chain...the top is the trickiest spot on the ladder my friends]), we might find that the US is actually one of the most destructive. The amount of resources we use far exceeds any other country on earth, and the amount of useful, reusable and beneficial (ecologically, health-wise, mentally) products we create are among the lowest.

The US media is a cess-pool of sex and violence, providing such little news that anyone serious about learning what is going on in the world either must look at the international media or alternative news sources. Our movies are over-whelming crap which damages the mind and the nervous system through over-stimulation without depth. Our television is the most insidious disease to hit the world since the bubonic plague.

US backed industries are causing irreparable ecological damage world-wide. To be fair, most of these are private industries which are owned by international financiers and banking interests who value money over all else. As we move towards the creation of the one-world government, we will see the US's role in this great movement, which started around the Industrial revolution.

The US has the highest rate of voluntary disease in the world. By voluntary, I mean disease that your own bad habits brought upon you. Preying off of that, US backed pharmaceutical companies have made a killing off of selling poisons to people, drugs which combat one symptom (without treating the cause) while creating more "treatable" symptoms. Cancer is on the rise. Heart-disease and diabetes are becoming "normal".

The inital metaphor was not so far off. The moral was distorted by agenda, but there has been a cage built around the complacency of a public which will eat garbage if you put it on a dollar menu, and will watch garbage if there's breasts involved, and will vote for garbage if you can convince them that the other guy is worse garbage.

If the pigs were aware enough to pay attention to first part of the fence, then they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would question why someone is giving them free corn, they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would focus less on survival and more on living well, then it wouldn't matter even if they were caught.

Needless to say...the agenda (as always) distorts the message. Yet we are pigs in a cage. How did we get here? Out of fear, coercion, and mind games that have been used on human populations effectively for thousands of years.

So, stop arguing, and lets learn something people. How many more "facilities" (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html) will the government need to build before we recognize that Nazi Germany was not a one-time shot, and that this force (that which seeks to control and enslave) appears in every generation, and needs to be fought back each time.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

The cage is built. Lets see which pigs get caught.

Very eloquently put. Thank you. You got the point.

Maybe she was trying for ironic?

Duhhhhhhhhhh?

Very eloquently put. Thank you. You got the point.

Oh how convenient. Put up someone else's words, and then hope someone validates your lack of a point by saying something better.

Nice.

Actually, I have found that pigs can be very intelligent animals, which sadly I can't always say about many people.

The story was from an email I received. I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity.

I rest my case.

I rest my case.

You have no case. You presented someone ELSE's case, which you magically co-opted as your own until someone called bullshit on you and you had to fess up.

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>

:rolleyes:

You'll have to redeem yourself with some original material at some point.

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>

Here's hoping you're honest enough to send back your social security checks. Cuz you can sure as fucking hell thank communism for those.

<watches the gate smack her on the way out>

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>

Oh drama queen, dearie, you never did answer a single one of my queries, which I think is quite rude. I showed you mine, it's your turn.

Here's hoping you're honest enough to send back your social security checks. Cuz you can sure as fucking hell thank communism for those.

<watches the gate smack her on the way out>

Not to mention that free education her kids got, that prepared them for the post-secondary schooling she is supporting them through....

Oh how convenient. Put up someone else's words, and then hope someone validates your lack of a point by saying something better.

Nice.

ahhh, the Corneliu school of debate. Lack the ability to say it yourself so just wait for somoene else more intelligent and articulate than you to put together your position, then yell "exactly!" and try to pretend like you thought of it first and it was really your good idea.

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>

ahhh, so let's see here. Let me make sure I understand. You fail to present any original points. You steal someone elses words without even a shred of your own thoughts or even the courtesy to note the fact that it wasn't yours, basically plagerizing the entire thing.

You respond to criticisms with nonsensical personal attacks and not a shred of intelligent discourse. When someone actually managed to make your point for you you chime in and try to take credit for it.

You haven't made a single successful effort to defend your position, or even demonstrate that you are capable of independant thought or critical analysis.

And we're the ones who don't get it.

Yeah, right.

Here's hoping you're honest enough to send back your social security checks. Cuz you can sure as fucking hell thank communism for those.


Pfft. Old age pensions were introduced in the UK in 1911. Nothing to do with communism.

Just for future reference.

Debate is not some sort of treasure hunt, where we need to piece together your point. You need to state your position, and work from there, saving us the trouble of slogging through page after page of pointlessness. The onus is not on us to read your mind, and make your point for you...though you were quick to grasp on to that opportunity when it arose.

Pfft. Old age pensions were introduced in the UK in 1911. Nothing to do with communism.

Communism is just the dirty name people give to socialist policies they like to benefit from, but decry at the same time.

Egy, you can't come into our forum, plagerize under the guise of testing our intelligence, then expect this drama queen act to work. To reply too your not-so-intellient response to me, no I don't believe you were being ironic. I really don't believe it after reading your other responses. First of all, you don't get to come into a forum a stranger and 'test our intelligence.' Well you can, but you can't expect a warm response. The better way to judge the temperment of a forum is to post, participate, interact, get involved. Another thing, picking and choosing what you respond to is incredibly poor form.

Now that is an analogy that I like and so fitting too. Kruschev said it that America would not be thrown into communism but that socialism would be introduced a little bit at a time until one day we would wake up and be a communist place. I still don't see it happening to that extreme but we're definitely swinging left and it sickens me.

The only reason we're swinging back to the center (NOT the left, America doesn't have a left, the right has been seeing to that since the 20's) is because the far right came into power and blundered their way, miserably, through six and a half years of rule.

The fact that some people in America can be misled and obfuscated into believing that the problems in the country today have anything to do with some fairy-tale "left" in our country is indicative of a populace which can be swayed with corporate (read: rightist) news and carefully-planned weasel words.

We are indoctrinated in American schools to associate the left and "communism" with our old nemesis, the Soviet Union. The USSR was not communist. It was a fascist (read: rightist) state with elements of communism: a planned economy, collective farms, forced equality, etc. Few American citizens have a clue in the world what Communism, let alone Socialism, means.

The detention camps being put up around the country are being ordered and built by Bush, the members of his military and intelligence services, and private contractors with close ties to members of his administration (many are being built by Halliburton.) How one could equate those with the "left" is completely and utterly beyond me. The recent retraction of civil and political liberties is also a result of the right being in power at a time when most Americans are at a weak moment, being led (needlessly) to live in fear.

And to think, the only respite the sane Americans get is the chance to wrest power away from a sheepish Middle America to elect a centrist Democratic government, which only lasts until the vast ocean of reactionism and conservatism balks at the few successful attempts to correct the plethora of problems spawned from a populace chained to the puppet-strings of corporate (again, read: rightist) media and a right wing hell-bent on demonizing the few sane voices we find in this land.


As for the student - who, if truly a veteran of (i'm assuming) a Latin American civil war fighting against communists, was quite likely a member of the various (rightist) death squads roaming the countrysides and killing civilians - if he had only lived in a land ruled by socialism, would have been able to get his bullet removed, free of charge, long ago and would be living without the pain that spurred on his inane story.

This lady's email brings up a sad point: this is where a good portion of America gets their views and politics - e-mail chain letters, right-wing radio talk shows, and the filth that is Fox news and the rest of the corporate media.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Egy, you can't come into our forum, plagerize under the guise of testing our intelligence, then expect this drama queen act to work. To reply too your not-so-intellient response to me, no I don't believe you were being ironic. I really don't believe it after reading your other responses. First of all, you don't get to come into a forum a stranger and 'test our intelligence.' Well you can, but you can't expect a warm response. The better way to judge the temperment of a forum is to post, participate, interact, get involved. Another thing, picking and choosing what you respond to is incredibly poor form.

Okay..... I like you Snaf, so I will try to be more... hmmmm.... polite.

Apparently though I can come into "Your" forum. I did not plagerize, though it was poor form, I used quotation marks and never claimed authorship of the statement. There was no guise of "testing" anyones intelligence, I plainly stated I was curious to see the responses, intelligent or not. Drama Queen act? Have you read these posts? If anything I was acting like a haughty bi*&h thinking myself above you all while the thread and all it's postings became the drama. I didn't expect nor ask for a warm response. Actually, I asked nothing...... I could go on and on as I am sure you all will. What did surprise me the most is that there was very little debate or imput about the statement itself, mostly just a bunch of name calling and mud slinging which I chose not to respond to. And that is where you and I part ways.... I do have the right to pick and chose when, where, how, and what I respond to. That's called "Freedom". I love my country and am damn proud I have the right to say that. But if you really want my opinion about "Lazy Americans", Yes I believe we all have gotten used to having it too easy. To coin an old pharse (plagerize?) Too many of us have forgotten "Freedom isn't free".

Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.

Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.

Riiiight. No drama queen act HErE folks! Not at all!

Please direct your attention to the One Stop Rule Shop, stickied in the General forum. It is there you will find that simply cutting and pasting, and adding little more than that, is considered bad form. You might want to get down off your cross first though.

Actually, I asked nothing

Exactly. You asked nothing. You asked no questions, posed no hypothesis, gave no opinion of your own to discuss. You posted someone else's work without the slightest bit of commentary.


I do have the right to pick and chose when, where, how, and what I respond to.

Sure you do. And we also get to call you an annoying intellectually lazy twit for doing so.


That's called "Freedom".

You're on a private message board, hosted in europe no less. You ain't got no freedoms here.

To coin an old pharse (plagerize?) Too many of us have forgotten "Freedom isn't free".

Ahh, yes, and what would we do if our freedoms weren't protected by folks like you. Those that...come on to a message board and whine. Carry on brave soldier, carry on!

*salutes*

Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.

I thought you left all drama whorish like.

To coin an old pharse (plagerize?) Too many of us have forgotten "Freedom isn't free".

To coin a PHRASE is to be the first to use it as a specific meaning for the idiom. You did not do that. Some Republican think-tank probably did.

And, as I've seen it misspelled a half-dozen times, give or take, in this thread so far, it's plagiarize, people. Freedom apparently doesn't require literacy, either! ;)

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>How can we "get it" when you didn't show the correlation between the fences, the corn, and communism?

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

If he was actually *fighting* communists, he would've been shot in the front.

Five bucks says he was pegged in the back while running out of a Kwik-save with a bag of stolen cheetos.

The OP is a great post. While I don't think that social programs are really a conscious plan to bring on communism in America, they may have that effect anyway.

But if you really want my opinion about "Lazy Americans", Yes I believe we all have gotten used to having it too easy. I'd agree with that. I regularly shocked people by telling them I walked to places while I was in Virginia.
Too many of us have forgotten "Freedom isn't free".Freedom and laziness are two entirely different cups of tea.
Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.Drama queen.

You might want to get down off your cross first though.

But if he gets off his cross, he might get hurt in the fall from his high horse, which is precariously teetering on top of his pedestal.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

well i more then half way aggree, except i think he got the labels wrong. it's the corporate mafia that has tamed us and slamed the gate.

socialism is further from marxism then capitolism is from fashism.

socialism is the only thing that saved capitolism's ass, especially in the 1930s but other times as well. it is the only thing that has kept europe and japan places worth visiting and living.

NO idiology can prevent tyranny. nor can dramatic storys used to promote reversed and deceptive points. the world we all have to live in is one thing, symbolic value another, and putting symbolic value ahead of what real people have to experience and live with, is, in and of itself tyranny.

storys like this one, when twisted to support what this one has been, are one of those fences on the side of the coralle.

=^^=
.../\...

Oh drama queen, you still haven't answered my questions. I'm guessing there's a reason for that you filthy commie you!

Oh drama queen, you still haven't answered my questions. I'm guessing there's a reason for that you filthy commie you!

questions? there were questions?

"pegged in the back while running out of a Kwik-save with a bag of stolen cheetos." does seem like a reasonable possibility.

i realize this probably wasn't addressed at me, but with the random scrambling of sequences it is never clear, without a quote, what post a response is in response to.

at any rate, master kung, who would probably have supported neither marxists nor capitolists, would likely have had him exicuted for "bearing false arguments and treasuring them in mind".

not that boiled lobsters or fenced warthogs are false arguments, but the point attmepted to be made with that one certainly is.

=^^=
.../\...

I'm curious.... How many people here are over 40?

How many working middle class?

no Iam a insignificant rural peasant

<sighs>

Some people will never get it.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them my friends.

<quietly closes the door to the pen behind her, and exits the thread>

Apparently, retreating and blaming the respondents for not having an argument to begin with is the proper response in debate.

Plagiarism. How original.

Apparently the poster is a lazy American -- no original thought, just cut and paste.

Aren't such threads usually quickly closed on the grounds of being cut'n'paste spam? :confused:

so what IS the mechanism that leads us from accepting government services like food stamps to soviet style communism?

its not obvious to me.

so what IS the mechanism that leads us from accepting government services like food stamps to soviet style communism?

its not obvious to me.

http://a.parsons.edu/~stern/thesis/images/corn_currency.png


The face of the new communist regime!

Plagiarism. How original.

Apparently the poster is a lazy American -- no original thought, just cut and paste.

with nothing added on. isn't that C&P Spam?

The face of the new communist regime!

ohmygod its the HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP!!

i mean really, our fictional hero from the OP wasnt from a country where the people were being led like wild pigs* into communism by being offered great government services. he was from a country where they had jack shit and were trying to GET a government that would treat them as well as the government of ... cuba... treats its people.

what example in the real world to we have of any country being prospered into a vile communist dictatorship?


*wild pigs is a stupid example because wild pigs will kill you when you try to do something with them in that pen. maybe he should have gone with pigeons or something.

The OP is a great post. While I don't think that social programs are really a conscious plan to bring on communism in America, they may have that effect anyway.Except that there hasn't been anything (yet) argued to link the social programs to being fenced in.

Wow!!! For someone who doesn't know how to start a thread....

1. I work for an advertising firm that raises money for the athletic departments in schools.

2. I receive no alimony

3. I receive no child support

4. My Son receives the Atlantis grant in the field of chemistry, which is a working grant to study in Ireland and Germany given to only 3 students a year. When he graduates he will have a dual degree.

5. What is a free lunch?

I did answer your question! Apparently you can't read, didn't read, or just plain didn't like the answers.

Sorry again gang. Once again I show my ignorance and used poor form. My last post was in reference to Khadgar's rantings about not answering his barrage of insults.

I also apologize for the poor or preceived improper form I used in starting this thread. Interestingly the moderators let it get posted. All that was really necessary for y'all to do was say.... Hey dummy, you didn't state your own opinion so we can debate it. And to be honest I really didn't have a formed opinion other than in a way to me the story showed what can happen when one does not think or do for himself..... as can be seen in this thread it makes a real big mess, and often the real issue gets lost.

As for all the name calling.... well, it really is far from necessary and again clouds the issue and is just another form of oppression and though very effective, just another means to control the life of another.

Sorry again gang. Once again I show my ignorance and used poor form. My last post was in reference to Khadgar's rantings about not answering his barrage of insults.

next to the quote button, there is an edit/delete. ;)

*flicks holy water at Egy Nemzet*

I also apologize for the poor or preceived improper form I used in starting this thread. Interestingly the moderators let it get posted. All that was really necessary for y'all to do was say.... Hey dummy, you didn't state your own opinion so we can debate it. And to be honest I really didn't have a formed opinion other than in a way to me the story showed what can happen when one does not think or do for himself..... as can be seen in this thread it makes a real big mess, and often the real issue gets lost.

As for all the name calling.... well, it really is far from necessary and again clouds the issue and is just another form of oppression and though very effective, just another means to control the life of another.

Moderator in the house. It was left open with the hope that, as a new poster, you'd correct the problems pointed out to you, rather than feel like you were being punished by having it closed and sent to spam.

Would you care to address the points that were posed to you (obviously, anything that constitutes flaming or insults you need not answer)?

I also apologize for the poor or preceived improper form I used in starting this thread. Interestingly the moderators let it get posted. All that was really necessary for y'all to do was say.... Hey dummy, you didn't state your own opinion so we can debate it. And to be honest I really didn't have a formed opinion other than in a way to me the story showed what can happen when one does not think or do for himself..... as can be seen in this thread it makes a real big mess, and often the real issue gets lost.

As for all the name calling.... well, it really is far from necessary and again clouds the issue and is just another form of oppression and though very effective, just another means to control the life of another.

you might also consider posting in some of the other threads. give people a chance to get to know you through your other opinions.

Excellent metaphor--except that the entire wood is contained in a cage. Being born in a country is like being forced to sign a contract to pay taxes and surrender your unalienable rights for the rest of your life.

Moderator in the house. It was left open with the hope that, as a new poster, you'd correct the problems pointed out to you, rather than feel like you were being punished by having it closed and sent to spam.

Would you care to address the points that were posed to you (obviously, anything that constitutes flaming or insults you need not answer)?

Thank You!

I didn't edit the original post or research further into where it came from because for me that wasn't what I felt was the point. And I guess I wanted to hear other opinions, but forgot to state my own and ask for others.

I was born at a time in the United States when people were still able to find work, and then work hard to live the American Dream. It was also a time when we were waking up to the reality that there many many people who did not share in the freedoms that the average white middle class American were allowed to enjoy. The perhaps delusional lot of us just wanted everyone to have what we felt were the human rights of all. And we began to set up programs so that could happen.

But saddly what I see is that too few nowadays understand where those freedoms came from. They didn't come from being fed to us like the corn to the pigs in the story. We are a nation that have fought hard for those freedoms and we have to be on constant vigle to keep and maintain them. Forget that and become a lazy American who is used to having it good and take it for granted, and another can come in with not so idealistic values and ever so slowly, insidiously use our well meant intentions against us. Thus fencing us in, and closing the gate.

LOL but that is just my opinion.

Thank You!

I didn't edit the original post or research further into where it came from because for me that wasn't what I felt was the point. And I guess I wanted to hear other opinions, but forgot to state my own and ask for others.

I was born at a time in the United States when people were still able to find work, and then work hard to live the American Dream. It was also a time when we were waking up to the reality that there many many people who did not share in the freedoms that the average white middle class American were allowed to enjoy. The perhaps delusional lot of us just wanted everyone to have what we felt were the human rights of all. And we began to set up programs so that could happen.

But saddly what I see is that too few nowadays understand where those freedoms came from. They didn't come from being fed to us like the corn to the pigs in the story. We are a nation that have fought hard for those freedoms and we have to be on constant vigle to keep and maintain them. Forget that and become a lazy American who is used to having it good and take it for granted, and another can come in with not so idealistic values and ever so slowly, insidiously use our well meant intentions against us. Thus fencing us in, and closing the gate.

LOL but that is just my opinion.

Well, but I would point out that many of Roosevelt's New Deal programs did pretty much this -- provide people with the basis for putting food on the table through government programs. Many of our national parks and highways were built at this time, not because there was a burning NEED for them, but to create jobs so that families need not starve. Pretty much the New Deal and its additions were the precedent for the social and economic programs we see today.

Thank You!

I didn't edit the original post or research further into where it came from because for me that wasn't what I felt was the point. And I guess I wanted to hear other opinions, but forgot to state my own and ask for others.

I was born at a time in the United States when people were still able to find work, and then work hard to live the American Dream. It was also a time when we were waking up to the reality that there many many people who did not share in the freedoms that the average white middle class American were allowed to enjoy. The perhaps delusional lot of us just wanted everyone to have what we felt were the human rights of all. And we began to set up programs so that could happen.

But saddly what I see is that too few nowadays understand where those freedoms came from. They didn't come from being fed to us like the corn to the pigs in the story. We are a nation that have fought hard for those freedoms and we have to be on constant vigle to keep and maintain them. Forget that and become a lazy American who is used to having it good and take it for granted, and another can come in with not so idealistic values and ever so slowly, insidiously use our well meant intentions against us. Thus fencing us in, and closing the gate.

LOL but that is just my opinion.

i still dont get exactly what you are trying to warn us against. what is the danger in spreading government corn around? are you really thinking that it will lead to communism??

Excellent metaphor--except that the entire wood is contained in a cage. Being born in a country is like being forced to sign a contract to pay taxes and surrender your unalienable rights for the rest of your life.Except that you can emigrate.

i still dont get exactly what you are trying to warn us against. what is the danger in spreading government corn around? are you really thinking that it will lead to communism??

I don't see anything wrong with spreading the corn around.... evenly. But that is socialisum isn't it? What worries me is who has the control of spreading the corn.

i still dont get exactly what you are trying to warn us against. what is the danger in spreading government corn around? are you really thinking that it will lead to communism??

Since we humans cannot fully digest corn unless the exterior of the kernel is broken away/not on the interior, the government would slowly starve us to death with their supposed 'bounty' or 'commie corn'. Then they would take all our money! And jobs! And...use us as compost to grow more of their commie corn kernels of chaos! :eek:

I don't see anything wrong with spreading the corn around.... evenly. But that is socialisum isn't it? What worries me is who has the control of spreading the corn.

as anyone should be worried.

see the thread on mrs clinton liking the idea of giving every newborn $5k

Since we humans cannot fully digest corn unless the exterior of the kernel is broken away/not on the interior, the government would slowly starve us to death with their supposed 'bounty' or 'commie corn'. Then they would take all our money! And jobs! And...use us as compost to grow more of their commie corn kernels of chaos! :eek:

Know what else has kernels? Linux. Linux is the commie's OS!

Since we humans cannot fully digest corn unless the exterior of the kernel is broken away/not on the interior, the government would slowly starve us to death with their supposed 'bounty' or 'commie corn'. Then they would take all our money! And jobs! And...use us as compost to grow more of their commie corn kernels of chaos! :eek:

Why did that mildly make some form of sense to me?

Why did that mildly make some form of sense to me?

Everything has a kernel of truth in it.


kernel....omgz...its already happening!:eek:

Know what else has kernels? Linux. Linux is the commie's OS!

You have confirmed my hypothesis that Linux is the root of evil.

see the thread on mrs clinton liking the idea of giving every newborn $5k I'm for that Idea... but only if it's retroactive.

ANYONE WHO WAS ONCE A NEWBORN GETS $5K!!! :p

I'm for that Idea... but only if it's retroactive.

ANYONE WHO WAS ONCE A NEWBORN GETS $5K!!! :p

I think it should add up over the years if it wasn't paid out when you were born. A sort of interest, of say.. $1,000 more for every year you lived without the 5K since you were no longer considered a newborn.

I'm for that Idea... but only if it's retroactive.

ANYONE WHO WAS ONCE A NEWBORN GETS $5K!!! :p

not me. im still pissed at bush's stupid tax refunds. great way to keep the budget balance, george.

i used mine to buy a septic tank.

I think it should add up over the years if it wasn't paid out when you were born. A sort of interest, of say.. $1,000 more for every year you lived without the 5K since you were no longer considered a newborn. even better. heck, I'd just settle for tax free.

not me. im still pissed at bush's stupid tax refunds. great way to keep the budget balance, george.

i used mine to buy a septic tank.

LOL! I just got a picture of Ashmoria watching as her yard gets soaked with raw sewage from her leaky septic tank and the caption reads.
"well, At least the budget is balanced."
:D

Instead of responding to the vital and intelligently worded comments of a few people who have made posts here, the majority of the people just attacked the character of the original poster, since they had no argument to attack. Obviously, these people just want to attack something. I read through the entire thread, and read maybe ten intelligent and useful (non-attacking) comments. The rest came down to petty argument about form. Apparently, arguing about form is the proper response to bad form. No attempts to understand. No attempts to clarify. Just attacks, demonization, dramatization, etc.

We can do better.

LOL! I just got a picture of Ashmoria watching as her yard gets soaked with raw sewage from her leaky septic tank and the caption reads.
"well, At least the budget is balanced."
:D

not too too far from reality. they installed it poorly and after a while the problem announced itself. i had to get new piping from the house to the tank.

Instead of responding to the vital and intelligently worded comments of a few people who have made posts here, the majority of the people just attacked the character of the original poster, since they had no argument to attack. Obviously, these people just want to attack something. I read through the entire thread, and read maybe ten intelligent and useful (non-attacking) comments. The rest came down to petty argument about form. Apparently, arguing about form is the proper response to bad form. No attempts to understand. No attempts to clarify. Just attacks, demonization, dramatization, etc.

We can do better.

welcome to nsg. the discerning poster ignores the crap and responds to the thoughtful stuff. no need to diss anyone.

Instead of responding to the vital and intelligently worded comments of a few people who have made posts here, the majority of the people just attacked the character of the original poster, since they had no argument to attack. Obviously, these people just want to attack something. I read through the entire thread, and read maybe ten intelligent and useful (non-attacking) comments. The rest came down to petty argument about form. Apparently, arguing about form is the proper response to bad form. No attempts to understand. No attempts to clarify. Just attacks, demonization, dramatization, etc.

We can do better.

In my regional forum we had a discussion about just this sort of thing. We came to the conclusion that a very easy way (and a very old concept that is not my own) to overthrow any organization is to stick a senseless sign in the middle of the crowd. Instead of trying to figure out what it means or where it came from, or if it might pose a threat, they will generally start to argue over it's significance. Once they start to argue amongst themselves.... gotcha!

In my regional forum we had a discussion about just this sort of thing. We came to the conclusion that a very easy way (and a very old concept that is not my own) to overthrow any organization is to stick a senseless sign in the middle of the crowd. Instead of trying to figure out what it means or where it came from, or if it might pose a threat, they will generally start to argue over it's significance. Once they start to argue amongst themselves.... gotcha!

So, wait, you're the senseless sign? *confused*

I did not plagerize, though it was poor form, I used quotation marks and never claimed authorship of the statement.
With out an reference to say where it was from you where plagarising. I believe the rules for NSG are to comment on an articles, ramblings you post. As you did not comment or say where it was from it was reasonable to assume that it was your writing, which it was not.

There was no guise of "testing" anyones intelligence, I plainly stated I was curious to see the responses, intelligent or not.
"I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity." -You. seems like testing.

Drama Queen act? Have you read these posts?
Yes, unfortuantly.
If anything I was acting like a haughty bi*&h thinking myself above you all while the thread and all it's postings became the drama.
Actually you were acting like both a haughty bitch and a drama queen.

I didn't expect nor ask for a warm response. Actually, I asked nothing...... I could go on and on as I am sure you all will. What did surprise me the most is that there was very little debate or imput about the statement itself, mostly just a bunch of name calling and mud slinging which I chose not to respond to.
Welcome to NSG.

Actually though, the OP was quite funny, and hard to take serious. That is why the thread got sidetracked. But, there where points back there that you didn't respond to and you didn't really post an arguement. You didn't really put much substance to respond to which makes a debate against you like grasping straws.

And that is where you and I part ways.... I do have the right to pick and chose when, where, how, and what I respond to. That's called "Freedom". I love my country and am damn proud I have the right to say that. But if you really want my opinion about "Lazy Americans", Yes I believe we all have gotten used to having it too easy. To coin an old pharse (plagerize?) Too many of us have forgotten "Freedom isn't free".

Goodbye.

Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.[/QUOTE]

And to be honest I really didn't have a formed opinion other than in a way to me the story showed what can happen when one does not think or do for himself.....

So you didn't think for yourself (didn't think about the story, or have an opinion) and then you come here and start acting all "holier than thou" and waiting until someone came along and posted something you agree with say "yeah, that's what I was saying"? Ironic.

I'm not any kind of American. Nor am I interested in any stupid ideological scare story.

I'm not any kind of American. Nor am I interested in any stupid ideological scare story.

Oh come now.. everyone is American at heart.

Plus, next time you are sitting around a campfire you will have more stories to tell than the one about the time a bear gnawed off your buddies leg.

Oh come now.. everyone is American at heart.
No.

No.

Because you could tell by the context of the post that I was being completely serious, and am currently not being sarcastic whatsoever.

So, wait, you're the senseless sign? *confused*

LOL no. The statement was in reference to all the bickering and name calling, and the mess that came from my original posting. But I can see where I looked like that sign.

Because you could tell by the context of the post that I was being completely serious, and am currently not being sarcastic whatsoever.

There are some jokes that need to be responded to with "No."

With out an reference to say where it was from you where plagarising. I believe the rules for NSG are to comment on an articles, ramblings you post. As you did not comment or say where it was from it was reasonable to assume that it was your writing, which it was not.


"I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity." -You. seems like testing.

Yes, unfortuantly.

Actually you were acting like both a haughty bitch and a drama queen.


Welcome to NSG.

Actually though, the OP was quite funny, and hard to take serious. That is why the thread got sidetracked. But, there where points back there that you didn't respond to and you didn't really post an arguement. You didn't really put much substance to respond to which makes a debate against you like grasping straws.



Goodbye.

Is this the part where I am given a last cigarette before I face the firing squad?...... So be it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but on the prior page, I with the help of the moderator, and some very kind people in this forum tried to clear up the issues you are still crying about. If it's a fight you want, you are aiming at the wrong target, because I won't fight with you. I made my apologies, the best I know how. If that to is not good enough for you, well.... You can forget about that too. Enough already.

There are some jokes that need to be responded to with "No."

No.

No.

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be clever or what. My statement wasn't a joke, so it wasn't giving me a "taste of my own medicine" or anything. But you're probably the witty kind of guy who'll respond to this post with another "No." so I'm not going to try to work it out.

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be clever or what. My statement wasn't a joke, so it wasn't giving me a "taste of my own medicine" or anything. But you're probably the witty kind of guy who'll respond to this post with another "No." so I'm not going to try to work it out.

I understand where you are coming from with stating that 'certain jokes need to be responded to with no'. I was just regarding your statement as preposterous, and therefore a joke. So I responded with 'no'.

You ever look in the mirror and laugh at yourself?

Try it.

I understand where you are coming from with stating that 'certain jokes need to be responded to with no'. I was just regarding your statement as preposterous, and therefore a joke. So I responded with 'no'.
Well, that's where you're wrong. I and other people have responded to jokes with a laugh or a smile followed by the statement "No" and such a response was not regarded inappropriate by anyone, including the joke-teller.

You ever look in the mirror and laugh at yourself?
Yes, that's called being drunk.

Well, that's where you're wrong. I and other people have responded to jokes with a laugh or a smile followed by the statement "No" and such a response was not regarded inappropriate by anyone, including the joke-teller.


Yes, that's called being drunk.

Exactly.. where did I say otherwise?

I was just joking by doing the same, despite the fact you weren't making a joke.. and now I am so lost in a web of lies that I don't know what joke even means...

Oh. I must be drunk with oxygen or something.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

A little at a time? Just this month the police brutality has skyrocketed. Take tazers away from pigs. They clearly don't deserve them. :mad:

Exactly.. where did I say otherwise?

I was just joking by doing the same, despite the fact you weren't making a joke.. and now I am so lost in a web of lies that I don't know what joke even means...

Oh. I must be drunk with oxygen or something.

Sounds alright to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but on the prior page, I with the help of the moderator, and some very kind people in this forum tried to clear up the issues you are still crying about. If it's a fight you want, you are aiming at the wrong target, because I won't fight with you. I made my apologies, the best I know how. If that to is not good enough for you, well.... You can forget about that too. Enough already.

i find it interesting that you decry the lack of serious response to this thread yet cant be bothered to make any answer to any of the serious responses.

i find it interesting that you decry the lack of serious response to this thread yet cant be bothered to make any answer to any of the serious responses.

Not to be rude Ashmoria, but could you please state just exactly what "serious" responses I am not answering? Ask my opinion, my thought, or whatever and I'll try my best to answer. But I am sorry, maybe I am a haughty bitch, but I won't lower myself by responding to what I preceive to be little more than character bashing. What I was ignoring was Unlucky_and_unbiddable's continuing carrying on about my poor form and his/her (sorry I don't know y'all well enough yet to know) name calling.

Like I said I made my apologies, if that isn't enough,.... well? If you want me to change the form of my post, just ask..... and help teach this ignorant bitch exactly how to do that.

A little at a time? Just this month the police brutality has skyrocketed. Take tazers away from pigs. They clearly don't deserve them. :mad:

Some Puppies, I believe the police brutality issue is one we must seriously address and put a stop to. As for it skyrocketing? I seriously doubt it. That shit has been going on for a very long time, it's just the media in the past few weeks have brought it's reality to the forefront.

And ummmmm..... I don't think the OP was referring to the police when it talked about "Pigs". ;)

But I gotta agree with you when you say "Take tazers away from pigs." I live in Arkansas, and armed pigs are not a good thing! :eek:

ROFL!! And before y'all get on me because I live in Arkansas let me state for the record that I said I LIVE in Arkansas, not that I am FROM Arkansas or hold many of their values as my own. I DO NOT!!

I just want to agree with everyone who has correctly noted that most people just shoot pigs. Odd analogy. :p

Thank You!

I didn't edit the original post or research further into where it came from because for me that wasn't what I felt was the point. And I guess I wanted to hear other opinions, but forgot to state my own and ask for others.

I was born at a time in the United States when people were still able to find work, and then work hard to live the American Dream. It was also a time when we were waking up to the reality that there many many people who did not share in the freedoms that the average white middle class American were allowed to enjoy. The perhaps delusional lot of us just wanted everyone to have what we felt were the human rights of all. And we began to set up programs so that could happen.

But saddly what I see is that too few nowadays understand where those freedoms came from. They didn't come from being fed to us like the corn to the pigs in the story. We are a nation that have fought hard for those freedoms and we have to be on constant vigle to keep and maintain them. Forget that and become a lazy American who is used to having it good and take it for granted, and another can come in with not so idealistic values and ever so slowly, insidiously use our well meant intentions against us. Thus fencing us in, and closing the gate.

LOL but that is just my opinion.
So this is less of a warning against communism and more of a "Back in my day..." bit. Given that such warnings and complaints have been echoing from folks who have reached a certain point in age since the founding of the nation, you'll forgive me when I fail to be truly shocked by it.

The problem you seem to be hinting at has been with us since the beginning, and indeed was an issue that the founding fathers spent a great deal of time debating and trying to account for. The problem is, namely, thus: How the hell do you get the common man (Or woman) to actually take both interest and responsibility in the nation in order to truly make it an informed electorate and one that knows the value of what it votes for. The answer is that you can't since it's up to each person to feel that way. Stories about pigs do nothing.

So this is less of a warning against communism and more of a "Back in my day..." bit. Given that such warnings and complaints have been echoing from folks who have reached a certain point in age since the founding of the nation, you'll forgive me when I fail to be truly shocked by it.

The problem you seem to be hinting at has been with us since the beginning, and indeed was an issue that the founding fathers spent a great deal of time debating and trying to account for. The problem is, namely, thus: How the hell do you get the common man (Or woman) to actually take both interest and responsibility in the nation in order to truly make it an informed electorate and one that knows the value of what it votes for. The answer is that you can't since it's up to each person to feel that way. Stories about pigs do nothing.

There ya go.... a great response (in my opinion)!

And you are probably right... it is often an issue that is raised by "folks who have reached a certain point in age". they've lived more years and have had more time to look back... to the...LOL,,, good old days. They have more data to see cause and effects from. Not saying they are right though. But I do believe it is necessary that we continue to teach our young the history of our past, our mistakes, our good stuff too. What they do with it will always be up to them, but it makes it a whole lot easier for them if they don't have to constantly start from scratch.

What I was ignoring was Unlucky_and_unbiddable's continuing carrying on about my poor form and his/her (sorry I don't know y'all well enough yet to know) name calling.

Name calling? I agreed with your label for yourself in your thread, but beyong that I did no name calling.

Like I said I made my apologies, if that isn't enough,.... well? If you want me to change the form of my post, just ask..... and help teach this ignorant bitch exactly how to do that.

I was asking you to change your form, you did respond any further than saying that you would ignore me. State an issue (I see 3 or 4 possible ones) and your point of view.

Name calling? I agreed with your label for yourself in your thread, but beyong that I did no name calling.



I was asking you to change your form, you did respond any further than saying that you would ignore me. State an issue (I see 3 or 4 possible ones) and your point of view.

Ya know, it's awfully hard to go back and fix the mistakes of the past, in a thread, in real life... once set in motion...

I for one believe the worse thing to happen is that we have a tendency to focus on all the tiny crap that really doesn't matter that much, and we lose sight of the big picture, in this case it was the OP. Okay, I screwed up, and I have learned from that. Done Deal. I can promise you should I decide to start another thread it will be of proper form. I've got a few ideas, but let's just say I am being a heck of a lot more careful before I post another thread. Some people will like it, some won't. And there will always be those that are angry just for the sake of being angry. I can't stop that. But what I can do, and will continue to do is disregard the personal attacks and the petty nit picking. I just don't have the time for it.

If you would kindly go back a few posts and read you would see that I did try to clarify my point of veiw. As this thread is dying down not much more has been debated. To continue to harp about form is rather futile at this point. So all I can say is I hope you wish me better luck next time around....

Instead of responding to the vital and intelligently worded comments of a few people who have made posts here, the majority of the people just attacked the character of the original poster, since they had no argument to attack. Obviously, these people just want to attack something. I read through the entire thread, and read maybe ten intelligent and useful (non-attacking) comments. The rest came down to petty argument about form. Apparently, arguing about form is the proper response to bad form. No attempts to understand. No attempts to clarify. Just attacks, demonization, dramatization, etc.

We can do better.

Erm, welcome to NSG?

I just don't have the time for it.

To be perfectly honest, when you don't have time to waste, NSG regularly fails to help it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but on the prior page, I with the help of the moderator, and some very kind people in this forum tried to clear up the issues you are still crying about. If it's a fight you want, you are aiming at the wrong target, because I won't fight with you. I made my apologies, the best I know how. If that to is not good enough for you, well.... You can forget about that too. Enough already.

UR beat me to it, but I would like a response to the testing our intelligence ruse. You told me you weren't, but your previous post suggests otherwise. So what's up?

A little at a time? Just this month the police brutality has skyrocketed. Take tazers away from pigs. They clearly don't deserve them. :mad:

That's a bit off topic.

COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!Capitalist pig farmer!

Partisan hacks! :p

Partisan hacks! :p

You win the thread!:D

You win the thread!:D

Agreed. Please.... take it.... far away... and burn it.
:D

That's a bit off topic.

There was a topic?

To be perfectly honest, when you don't have time to waste, NSG regularly fails to help it.

There is also a saying that goes something like if you need something done go find the busiest person you know.... They will get it done.

UR beat me to it, but I would like a response to the testing our intelligence ruse. You told me you weren't, but your previous post suggests otherwise. So what's up?

Poor wording on my part. Course it wasn't me who said "testing".....

Agreed. Please.... take it.... far away... and burn it.
:D

LOL yeah, what he said! :mp5:

There was a topic?

Well, you have a point there.

Poor wording on my part. Course it wasn't me who said "testing".....

When you say things like this:
I posted it not because it necessarily was my thought or belief, but because I was curious to see how many intelligent responses I got verses inane stupidity.
How is one supposed to take that?

Oh, so now its all about 'points' huh?

Well, I disagree and will now render you speechless with my spotless refutation of your indefensible position.

The Earth is Round, not pointed. Circles are what represent Circular Reasoning. Points get Dull over time. Why reinvent the wheel? Oh.. thats right, Don't. Ha!

Circular logic is perfect logic because is has no begining and no end.

Well, you have a point there.

Oh, so now its all about 'points' huh?

Well, I disagree and will now render you speechless with my spotless refutation of your indefensible position.

The Earth is Round, not pointed. Circles are what represent Circular Reasoning. Points get Dull over time. Why reinvent the wheel? Oh.. thats right, Don't. Ha!

Circular logic is perfect logic because is has no begining and no end.

Hrm... you seem to be drastically changing your opinion on 'points'.. Though, circles are made of infinite numbers of points... We may be able to reconcile this heated debate before it turns into a flame war and we are both exiled to 4chan.

Your move.

Hrm... you seem to be drastically changing your opinion on 'points'.. Though, circles are made of infinite numbers of points... We may be able to reconcile this heated debate before it turns into a flame war and we are both exiled to 4chan.

Your move.

I'm moving to a double helix style argument. I also don't plan on arguing in the first or third dimenson.

I'm moving to a double helix style argument. I also don't plan on arguing in the first or third dimenson.

I...I...DNA?

Gah! You win. I cannot argue circles in anything more than three dimensions. Unless I use the expanding universe theory. It is more of an ellipse though.

Checkmate.

*resigns*

I...I...DNA?

Gah! You win. I cannot argue circles in anything more than three dimensions. Unless I use the expanding universe theory. It is more of an ellipse though.

Checkmate.

*resigns*

*dances on your grave*

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."

This is why some people are anti-immigrant - they keep interrupting chemistry classes with ridiculous analogies.

Play all night, sleep all day. And I'm an American, so I guess I can be described as "just a bit lazy."

This is why some people are anti-immigrant - they keep interrupting chemistry classes with ridiculous analogies.
I am laughing out loud. I didn't use LOL because it's literally true; I actually guffawed.

"There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student Told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country, who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question: Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs and it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms - a little at a time."
At least you aren't MTAE.




Or are you?

Oh, so now its all about 'points' huh?

Well, I disagree and will now render you speechless with my spotless refutation of your indefensible position.

The Earth is Round, not pointed. Circles are what represent Circular Reasoning. Points get Dull over time. Why reinvent the wheel? Oh.. thats right, Don't. Ha!

All I can say in response is that I have a headache from spinning around....

Lord help me! I started a new thread.....

*dances on your grave*

Good show, y'all.

First of all...some have said that the US is hardest working and most productive. This is as flawed as the original post.

Americans are only the most productive in the context of the system that they created to measure productivity. If we attempted to create an objective basis for determining what kind of work is ACTUALLY productive (which is to say, at least in my mind, that it provides the greatest benefit to living systems as a whole [of which we are a small and precariously balanced part, despite our delusions of being above the food chain...the top is the trickiest spot on the ladder my friends]), we might find that the US is actually one of the most destructive. The amount of resources we use far exceeds any other country on earth, and the amount of useful, reusable and beneficial (ecologically, health-wise, mentally) products we create are among the lowest.

The US media is a cess-pool of sex and violence, providing such little news that anyone serious about learning what is going on in the world either must look at the international media or alternative news sources. Our movies are over-whelming crap which damages the mind and the nervous system through over-stimulation without depth. Our television is the most insidious disease to hit the world since the bubonic plague.

US backed industries are causing irreparable ecological damage world-wide. To be fair, most of these are private industries which are owned by international financiers and banking interests who value money over all else. As we move towards the creation of the one-world government, we will see the US's role in this great movement, which started around the Industrial revolution.

The US has the highest rate of voluntary disease in the world. By voluntary, I mean disease that your own bad habits brought upon you. Preying off of that, US backed pharmaceutical companies have made a killing off of selling poisons to people, drugs which combat one symptom (without treating the cause) while creating more "treatable" symptoms. Cancer is on the rise. Heart-disease and diabetes are becoming "normal".

The inital metaphor was not so far off. The moral was distorted by agenda, but there has been a cage built around the complacency of a public which will eat garbage if you put it on a dollar menu, and will watch garbage if there's breasts involved, and will vote for garbage if you can convince them that the other guy is worse garbage.

If the pigs were aware enough to pay attention to first part of the fence, then they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would question why someone is giving them free corn, they wouldn't get caught. If the pigs would focus less on survival and more on living well, then it wouldn't matter even if they were caught.

Needless to say...the agenda (as always) distorts the message. Yet we are pigs in a cage. How did we get here? Out of fear, coercion, and mind games that have been used on human populations effectively for thousands of years.

So, stop arguing, and lets learn something people. How many more "facilities" (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html) will the government need to build before we recognize that Nazi Germany was not a one-time shot, and that this force (that which seeks to control and enslave) appears in every generation, and needs to be fought back each time.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

The cage is built. Lets see which pigs get caught.

If American culture is such garbage, why is it that American media is the largest US export? While I do agree that our news is crap, I have to disagree that our movies and television is really all that horrible. If it was so horrible it wouldn't get exported so much.

As for the US not producing that much, we produce a LOT! It just isn't the tangible commodities that people are used to. The US is the largest producer of software and supplies a great deal of banking services through out the world, and contractile management. The US's real problem is that we are quickly moving to a professionalized society rather then a labor society, and we are still thinking like an agricultural/industrial society and therefor eat like one and wah-la Americans are taking in calories and carbohydrates needed to perform a great deal of work, but not actually doing that work. However you are starting to see the diet shift toward a more professionalized society (what with salads and healthier food starting to become big at fast food places) and maybe in another hundred years we'll average out to a healthier weight...Maybe :(