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Does it exist? What is it? Is it inherently black?

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Really, so-called "black culture" has its roots in white Appalachian hillbilly culture--similar aversion to work and intellectual pursuits, lack of respect for women, crudity, etc.

Whether media portrayals reflect the actual behavior of blacks, or blacks are simply behaving in a manner they're led to believe is "true black culture" is irrelevant--the fact is that large numbers of blacks (especially youths) behave in this manner.

Certainly, blacks aren't the only ones who behave in this manner--but only among blacks is such behavior held up as an example to be emulated.

Really, so-called "black culture" has its roots in white Appalachian hillbilly culture--similar aversion to work and intellectual pursuits, lack of respect for women, crudity, etc.

Whether media portrayals reflect the actual behavior of blacks, or blacks are simply behaving in a manner they're led to believe is "true black culture" is irrelevant--the fact is that large numbers of blacks (especially youths) behave in this manner.

I think you mistake black culture, and youth culture.

aversion to work and intellectual pursuits, lack of respect for women, crudity, etc.


You mean males?

Hahahahahah! ha...

oh dear God

yes hence the integration troubles

I must say though
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The easiest way to see what "black culture" as it is labled in the US is, is to see how African blacks react to it when they see it when over here... IOW, in a generally negative manner.

Saggy pants, yo!

Can someone say there isn't/definately is a black culture, so that we can have a debate going please. Stop being all boring and sitting on the fence, whatever happened to the radical NSG I used to know?

Can someone say there isn't/definately is a black culture, so that we can have a debate going please. Stop being all boring and sitting on the fence, whatever happened to the radical NSG I used to know?

But there is a black culture.

But there is a black culture.

But how black is this culture?

Yes there is a black culture in the US. It's defined by a variety of things that have nothing to do with BET. Really, though, it's a combination of class (blacks in America being disproportionately poor as compared to other races) and race. The block party, black churches, rap (to a degree...not necessarily hip-hop, but rap), blues, jazz, even barbershops (there is a reason there were a set of "black" movies with the theme), etc. are all attributable to black culture. I'm neither a sociologist nor exceptionally knowledgeable of black history and culture so I'm not the person to defend this position. I'll just say that there is a difference between the absurd media representation of black culture and what black culture actually is in America.

You mean males?

Hahahahahah! ha...

oh dear God

That was good now, I must say. Well done.

I think what we see in the US is less a culture of "blacks" and more a culture of poverty. Much of what we see as the negative aspects of "black" culture, crime, drug use, violence, mysoginy, lack of and derision toward education, are really symptoms of a poor population. If "black" culture was really black culture, it would transcend poverty lines, but not racial ones.

Going to highschool I went to the most lily white backwater redneck town in central new york you can think of. I knew MANY poor people, all of them white.

Now as a professional I know several highly educated, successful black individuals.

The poor, larely uneducated white folks were far similar in behavior and lifestyle to what we view as "black" culture than my black friend Jacob from West Hartford who went to law school with me and is now a quite successful tax attorney.

And, as long as this "culture" considers those who manage to escape their poverty "sell-outs", and reacts negatively towards anyone who came from their culture but is now successful. They will remain in their present position. I have little sympathy for them.

I think you mistake black culture, and youth culture.

You can piss off right now.:mad:

Actually, that's harsh, but nonetheless, I resent the implication that their depraved gangsta culture is representative of British youth. It may be prevalent, but I refuse to be shoehorned into a neurotic housewive's dystopian vision of youth; much as dealing in stereotypes is dangerous, I would suggest indy, scene, nu rave and all that is more prevalent amongst those of us who might actually have a career in a decade.

What is "black" culture?

"African-American" culture?

"West Indian" culture?

"African" culture?

"Urban" culture?

Which one are you talking about? They're all different.

What is "black" culture?

"African-American" culture?

"West Indian" culture?

"African" culture?

"Urban" culture?

Which one are you talking about? They're all different.

The black one.

You can piss off right now.:mad:

Actually, that's harsh, but nonetheless, I resent the implication that their depraved gangsta culture is representative of British youth. It may be prevalent, but I refuse to be shoehorned into a neurotic housewive's dystopian vision of youth; much as dealing in stereotypes is dangerous, I would suggest indy, scene, nu rave and all that is more prevalent amongst those of us who might actually have a career in a decade.

Wow, its Tory Boy made flesh.

Wow, its Tory Boy made flesh.

Or rather, I'm not currently out in the rain drinking white lightning, listening to whoever is currently deemed gangsta, and threatening anybody not dressed in the same shite clothing as my little gang.

I know quite a few black people who don't subscribe to this culture (it is a culture, predominantly black, but being identified with it doesn't necessarily mean you are black, and conversely being black does not mean you identify with this culture.) and quite a few who do. Its really their choice and I don't let it interfere with my opinion of them.

threatening anybody not dressed in the same shite clothing as my little gang.
There are many gangs, all of which are not black. Although that is a fairly accurate description of how it is where I live. Luckily I don't get involved.

What is "black" culture?

"African-American" culture?

"West Indian" culture?

"African" culture?

"Urban" culture?

Which one are you talking about? They're all different.Indeed. There is no "black culture". At best, someone could argue that there is a black American culture, but even that is a shaky statement. Perhaps saying something like "the culture that a large portion of blacks in America are a part of" would make things more clear.

But there is a black culture.In what way does skin color constitute cultural features?

In what way does skin color constitute cultural features?

As a group that was isolated primarily by skin color, yes, it makes sense that a culture (or sub-culture, if you wish) formed from that marginalized group.

Same and Dave kick ass if that's what you're getting at.

As a group that was isolated primarily by skin color, yes, it makes sense that a culture (or sub-culture, if you wish) formed from that marginalized group.Who was isolated primarily by skin color? Africans? In Africa?

Or rather, I'm not currently out in the rain drinking white lightning, listening to whoever is currently deemed gangsta, and threatening anybody not dressed in the same shite clothing as my little gang.

So in other words, you're dull?

Black culture was the first culture that existed on earth, remember we evolved from black people.

Who was isolated primarily by skin color? Africans? In Africa?

Blacks...in America. o.O I should clarify that when I speak of black culture, I'm speaking strictly of American black culture, of which I know very little of. But I know absolutely nothing about black culture in other countries so it would be silly for me to make any claims that run counter to that.

Black culture was the first culture that existed on earth, remember we evolved from black people.then why would you call the only existing culture back then "black" ? why not just "human" ?

Is there a "white culture"?

I think the answer to that and the black culture question is NO... there are several different subcultures that tend to be more populated by one race or the other, but there is no single culture that separates the two races in this country. Any cultural stereotype you want to slap on either black or white now also applies to some members of the other group. Heck, there is increasingly less RACIAL separation between the two races, and I think all of that is a fine thing. We are all just people.

About the only one I can think of that probably doesn't have much by way of mixing is the KKK subculture (which is, obviously, a distinctly white subculture)... but I might be wrong there too, I suppose.

then why would you call the only existing culture back then "black" ? why not just "human" ?

'cus they wasn' whiyte..:confused:

'cus they wasn' whiyte..:confused:of course not, because whiyte didn' exist yet ... :rolleyes: what's your point now?

'cus they wasn' whiyte..:confused:

He didn't say white, he said human.

There is a black culture. It is that of the Massai, the Zulu, the Bantu, the Ashanti, the Rastafaris...

There is a black culture. It is that of the Massai, the Zulu, the Bantu, the Ashanti, the Rastafaris...Rastafarianism isn't particularly black, it's rather a phenomenon among highly uneducated folks.

So in other words, you're dull?

Because I choose not to associate with the depraved chav bastards who live in my village, and all my mates have buggered off to uni, and I don't go for another week? If you say so.

I'd rather endure a week of boredom than be seen with anything resembling chav.

Yes there is a black culture.

Yes there is a black culture.

Would you like to elaborate on that? What IS the black culture?

Yes there is a black culture.

Quality band:cool:

Or rather, I'm not currently out in the rain drinking white lightning, listening to whoever is currently deemed gangsta, and threatening anybody not dressed in the same shite clothing as my little gang.

You're doing pretty much the same thing. The details are mere trivia, just change the demographic.

There is Black culture in America....however, American Blacks and African Blacks are very different..... And even Blacks from the islands who come to Florida are very different from Blacks here. It's actually a big issue in South Florida, because American Blacks many times do not like Islander Blacks..and let me explain why.

Segregation is a super big problem in a region as multicultural as South Florida. The American Blacks stick to themselves and don't really integrate into soceity, nor do they really apreciate the opportunities that this society offers. HOWEVER, the Islander Blacks, fleeing their shitty countries and their lack of economic opporutunities, come here and find work opportunities beyond their wildest dreams and higher payment than they would ever get back home.....so they very much set out to embrace the American work ethic and better themsleves and their families...something that they couldn't do to the same level back home. It really comes down to this. American Blacks are born in the country and into their Black culture which looks down upon working, integrating, education and such...and American Blacks, since being born here, don't have the same idea about how much better it is here than most of the world and how many opportunities there really are here, while Island Blacks come here and say...wow, I can't beleive how many opportunities there are! Thus, many American Blacks complain about Island-Blacks coming in and "taking their jobs" and "selling out to Whitey" and such....meanwhile, they remain poor and stupid...and the Island blacks tend to get the last laugh.

This is of course a generalization, and there are exceptions on both sides, but this is a general overview of the difference between Blacks and Island Blacks.


So, in conclusion, there is no "Black Culture", but there is an American Black Culture.

a great many blacks identify with the urban culture, if thats what you are talking about.

There is Black culture in America....however, American Blacks and African Blacks are very different..... And even Blacks from the islands who come to Florida are very different from Blacks here. It's actually a big issue in South Florida, because American Blacks many times do not like Islander Blacks..and let me explain why.

Segregation is a super big problem in a region as multicultural as South Florida. The American Blacks stick to themselves and don't really integrate into soceity, nor do they really apreciate the opportunities that this society offers. HOWEVER, the Islander Blacks, fleeing their shitty countries and their lack of economic opporutunities, come here and find work opportunities beyond their wildest dreams and higher payment than they would ever get back home.....so they very much set out to embrace the American work ethic and better themsleves and their families...something that they couldn't do to the same level back home. It really comes down to this. American Blacks are born in the country and into their Black culture which looks down upon working, integrating, education and such...and American Blacks, since being born here, don't have the same idea about how much better it is here than most of the world and how many opportunities there really are here, while Island Blacks come here and say...wow, I can't beleive how many opportunities there are! Thus, many American Blacks complain about Island-Blacks coming in and "taking their jobs" and "selling out to Whitey" and such....meanwhile, they remain poor and stupid...and the Island blacks tend to get the last laugh.

This is of course a generalization, and there are exceptions on both sides, but this is a general overview of the difference between Blacks and Island Blacks.


So, in conclusion, there is no "Black Culture", but there is an American Black Culture.

In re: the bolded part...

THAT is certainly the grossest understatement of the century. Do you KNOW the definition of racist? Cause if not, my suggestion would be that you grab a mirror and take a look.

You're doing pretty much the same thing. The details are mere trivia, just change the demographic.

Not in the slightest. Insofar as what stereotype I conform to most can be dealt with as a singular entity, it is not criminal in the slightest. It does not endorse crime, nor is crime endemic within it; the most illegal it gets is occasioanl drug use, which, given how successful me and friends are, cannot be that maleficient.

Not in the slightest. Insofar as what stereotype I conform to most can be dealt with as a singular entity, it is not criminal in the slightest. It does not endorse crime, nor is crime endemic within it; the most illegal it gets is occasioanl drug use, which, given how successful me and friends are, cannot be that maleficient.

Yes, I'm sure you and the Thesaurus crew are the life and soul....

Did it ever occur to you that "gang culture" pre-dates "hip-hop", rap, and has in fact little to do with "black people" but is rather a symptom of urban life, poverty, testosterone and young lads?

You can piss off right now.:mad:

Actually, that's harsh, but nonetheless, I resent the implication that their depraved gangsta culture is representative of British youth. It may be prevalent, but I refuse to be shoehorned into a neurotic housewive's dystopian vision of youth; much as dealing in stereotypes is dangerous, I would suggest indy, scene, nu rave and all that is more prevalent amongst those of us who might actually have a career in a decade.

Ohhhhh I say! Okay let me amend that and say the poster(was it you?) is confusing black culture with black youth culture. again I'm not talking about 'gansta culture' but there does seem to be a culture of 'front' with the black youth that I know. That is to say it seems hard for the black male youth to back down from a percived challange, this though has nothing to do with black culture per say.

Or rather, I'm not currently out in the rain drinking white lightning, listening to whoever is currently deemed gangsta, and threatening anybody not dressed in the same shite clothing as my little gang.

Heh it's funny you talk to me of stereo types and here you go with not only a massive one, but a massivly incorrect one.

Black culture is not about gangs, nor violance, nor crime. It is about family, and food, and music, it is about strong women who make sure that their men know what is expected of them, it is about enjoying life and your friends, and it is about struggling because of the colour of the skin.

In what way does skin color constitute cultural features?

I can't answer that, but to say that no such thing exists is just plainly not correct. We had in London the other week the MOBO awards. Music Of Black Origin, this is certinaly part of black culture.

Blacks...in America. o.O I should clarify that when I speak of black culture, I'm speaking strictly of American black culture, of which I know very little of. But I know absolutely nothing about black culture in other countries so it would be silly for me to make any claims that run counter to that.

Yep and I have an equal disclaimer, when I talk of black culture I mean British balcj culture. It would be interesting though to note any similarities and over laps between the two, indeed very helpful in answering the OP's question.

Rastafarianism isn't particularly black, it's rather a phenomenon among highly uneducated folks.


Heh it is totaly black, you can't be a Rasta be white.

Heh it is totaly black, you can't be a Rasta be white.Unfortunately I know quite a number of white Rastafarians. So cut the crap.

Unfortunately I know quite a number of white Rastafarians. So cut the crap.

You might now a number of white people who listen to rasta music, but white rasta's that's an oxymoron.

Considering that the movment is about repatriation for those slaves taken from Africa, how can you have a white rasta?

You might now a number of white people who listen to rasta music, but white rasta's that's an oxymoron.

Considering that the movment is about repatriation for those slaves taken from Africa, how can you have a white rasta?Rastafarianism has nothing to do with music. It has to do with believing that Ras Tafari Makonnen / Haile Selassie is a messenger of God, a messiah, or even an incarnation of God. There are white folks who believe that, and that makes them Rastafarians.

Rastafarianism has nothing to do with music. It has to do with believing that Ras Tafari Makonnen / Haile Selassie is a messenger of God, a messiah, or even an incarnation of God. There are white folks who believe that, and that makes them Rastafarians.

Sorry where did I say it had anything to do with music?

Haile Selassie denied all of what the rasta movment said about him while he was alive. The rasta movment is all about taking those black slaves who were stolen from Africa, back to Africa. In a word repatriation.

You may get some white people that belive Haile Selassie was Christ back on earth, and you may get some white folx that listen to rasta music, but you cannot get a white rasta, even if they call themselves rasta's they ain't, not really.

It's like having a white member of the black panthers, or a black member of the KKK.

There are too many black people spread across the world for them all to have a single culture. Ditto white people.

Sorry where did I say it had anything to do with music?You referred to "Rasta-music". But there is no such thing.

Haile Selassie denied all of what the rasta movment said about him while he was alive. The rasta movment is all about taking those black slaves who were stolen from Africa, back to Africa. In a word repatriation.

You may get some white people that belive Haile Selassie was Christ back on earth, and you may get some white folx that listen to rasta music, but you cannot get a white rasta, even if they call themselves rasta's they ain't, not really.Rastafariansim is a religion. And if someone believes in Ras Tafari to be anything divine then that makes the person a Rastafarian, but neither color of skin nor membership in any repatriation movement.

You referred to "Rasta-music". But there is no such thing.

Rastafariansim is a religion. And if someone believes in Ras Tafari to be anything divine then that makes the person a Rastafarian, but neither color of skin nor membership in any repatriation movement.

Okay okay, lets see huh.

You claim that no such thing as rasta music exists? Where have you been hiding? Google Burning Spear, or I Jahman Levi. To clarify, this is spiritual reggae music about the rasta movement, about God(as the Rastaman sees it) made by rastaferians. It's like you have just said there is no such thing as gosspel music.

Rastaferianism, is primaily about repatriation of the stolen black slaves back to Africa. It is the aim, and the ideal of every single Rastaferian. You can of course be white and follow the religoin of the rasta man, but you cannot be a white rastaferian.

Do yourself a favour, go google it, go google Marcus Garvey, go google the history of the rasterferian movment, heh go and ask a black rasta man if such a thing as a white rasterferian can even exist.

How black is this culture, baby!

go and ask a black rasta man if such a thing as a white rasterferian can even exist.

eh, wouldn't be something like (with the due differences, of course) asking a white nazi man if a black nazi can even exist, neh?;)

Rastafarianism has nothing to do with music. It has to do with believing that Ras Tafari Makonnen / Haile Selassie is a messenger of God, a messiah, or even an incarnation of God. There are white folks who believe that, and that makes them Rastafarians.

Yep, but most Jamaican Rastafari were so disappointed when Haile Selassie visited their country and they found out that the skin colour of the "terrible king" (Ras Tafari iirc) was by a fat share paler than theirs...
Isn't that hilarious for a typically "black" culture?

So in other words, you're dull?

Fass, a chav? :eek:

In re: the bolded part...

THAT is certainly the grossest understatement of the century. Do you KNOW the definition of racist? Cause if not, my suggestion would be that you grab a mirror and take a look.
Yes, like I said..it is not absolute because there are exceptions on both sides, but generally, that is how the social break up is in South Florida between American Blacks and Island Blacks...not that you would know because you don't live here...but I'm sure even if you did live here, someone like you that is soo caught up in political correctness would go out of his way just to avoid catching a glimpse of reality.

Anyway, I've said this already...calling somone "racist" is losing that effect that you guys wish it still had.....because you use it just when people don't agree with you or when people don't say the most up-to-date, politically correct thing. So, honestly, meh.

Yes, like I said..it is not absolute because there are exceptions on both sides, but generally, that is how the social break up is in South Florida between American Blacks and Island Blacks...not that you would know because you don't live here...but I'm sure even if you did live here, someone like you that is soo caught up in political correctness would go out of his way just to avoid catching a glimpse of reality.

Anyway, I've said this already...calling somone "racist" is losing that effect that you guys wish it still had.....because you use it just when people don't agree with you or when people don't say the most up-to-date, politically correct thing. So, honestly, meh.

It has little to do, I think, with political correctness. Rather, it has to do with you completely generalizing two groups of people.

And as to the term 'racist' losing its effect, well, I think that has to do with people like you finally accepting what you are, so it doesn't faze you anymore.

*snip*

Listen batty, reggae is reggae and not "Rasta-music". Just that. And I really don't need to google about Rastafarianism because I have shared an office with a Rastafarian for the last three years and I have been on his Rasta-forum for that time and even contributed to it. I am sufficiently informed. There are white Rastafarians, and those black Rastafarians with their racist and uneducated afrocentrism won't change that.

Yep, but most Jamaican Rastafari were so disappointed when Haile Selassie visited their country and they found out that the skin colour of the "terrible king" (Ras Tafari iirc) was by a fat share paler than theirs...
Isn't that hilarious for a typically "black" culture?Still "black", though. And on the other hand, Jamaica is not best known for its educational system...

Ohhhhh I say! Okay let me amend that and say the poster(was it you?) is confusing black culture with black youth culture. again I'm not talking about 'gansta culture' but there does seem to be a culture of 'front' with the black youth that I know. That is to say it seems hard for the black male youth to back down from a percived challange, this though has nothing to do with black culture per say.

Black culture, or urban culture, or front. Gangsta is still prevalent amongst Black youthes, and is scummy.

Yes, like I said..it is not absolute because there are exceptions on both sides, but generally, that is how the social break up is in South Florida between American Blacks and Island Blacks...not that you would know because you don't live here...but I'm sure even if you did live here, someone like you that is soo caught up in political correctness would go out of his way just to avoid catching a glimpse of reality.
I live in New York. My FATHER lived in South Florida, and I have been there and met many, many fine folk, of several races, and I would not catagorize any one group of them as being "poor and stupid", because THAT would be racist.

Anyway, I've said this already...calling somone "racist" is losing that effect that you guys wish it still had.....because you use it just when people don't agree with you or when people don't say the most up-to-date, politically correct thing. So, honestly, meh.

I didn't say you were racist because you didn't agree with me or weren't PC, I said it because you are a racist.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

* It really comes down to this. American Blacks are born in the country and into their Black culture which looks down upon working, integrating, education and such...and American Blacks, since being born here, don't have the same idea about how much better it is here than most of the world and how many opportunities there really are here, while Island Blacks come here and say...wow, I can't beleive how many opportunities there are! Thus, many American Blacks complain about Island-Blacks coming in and "taking their jobs" and "selling out to Whitey" and such....meanwhile, they remain poor and stupid...and the Island blacks tend to get the last laugh.*


It really comes down to this. Your comments clearly indicate that you are a racist.

People often overlook the important contribution that black culture made to skinhead culture.

People often overlook the important contribution that black culture made to skinhead culture.

Entirely true. From the gear to some of the all time great sKin tracks. However this has been sidelined entirely by the association of the far-right and sKins by the media.

I live in New York. My FATHER lived in South Florida, and I have been there and met many, many fine folk, of several races, and I would not catagorize any one group of them as being "poor and stupid", because THAT would be racist.
That's fine for your father, but it doesn't give you much in your way of first hand expierence since you live in New York. I on the other hand, am the Floridian. And as to it being racism, hardly. It's demographics, so go on and call demographics racist if you want, that's fine. The American Black South Florida community is the poorest, most uneducated most unintegrated community in South Florida, says our demographics. I didn't just wake up one morning and wish that and lo and behind, it came true.:rolleyes:


I didn't say you were racist because you didn't agree with me or weren't PC, I said it because you are a racist.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.



It really comes down to this. Your comments clearly indicate that you are a racist.
Actually, heres the funny thing, I was actually going against racism because I was clearly comparing between groups of "Blacks", Island Black immigrants and American Blacks.....which shows that I don't beleive in "all Blacks are...ect ect ect". So...since I was comparing in the race, whatever I said does not fall into that definition of racism. You lose.

Entirely true. From the gear to some of the all time great sKin tracks. However this has been sidelined entirely by the association of the far-right and sKins by the media.

And wrongly so, because the racist element is a small fraction of the total.

What you are probably implying is the ghetto subculture, which is not inherently a culture for just dark-skinned Americans. People of all skin colors have adopted this as their clique or culture.

That's fine for your father, but it doesn't give you much in your way of first hand expierence since you live in New York. I on the other hand, am the Floridian. And as to it being racism, hardly. It's demographics, so go on and call demographics racist if you want, that's fine. The American Black South Florida community is the poorest, most uneducated most unintegrated community in South Florida, says our demographics. I didn't just wake up one morning and wish that and lo and behind, it came true.:rolleyes:

Actually, heres the funny thing, I was actually going against racism because I was clearly comparing between groups of "Blacks", Island Black immigrants and American Blacks.....which shows that I don't beleive in "all Blacks are...ect ect ect". So...since I was comparing in the race, whatever I said does not fall into that definition of racism. You lose.


Do you SEE the difference between saying that a particular community is poor, uneducated and unintegrated and saying that they are "born in the country and into their Black culture which looks down upon working, integrating, education and such... complain(ing) about Island-Blacks coming in and "taking their jobs" and "selling out to Whitey" and such....meanwhile, they remain poor and stupid..."

The difference is that the first part is a statement of economic and social facts having nothing to do with their race (there are white people and brown people and anything else you can think of in the same sort of dowtrodden economic situations with the same problems), and the second is an assumption that they are stupid, lazy and choose to stay that way BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. Whether or not you feel that other blacks from some other location are different, the fact that you have determined that race is what makes these particular people "look down on working... poor and stupid" makes YOU racist.

Do you SEE the difference between saying that a particular community is poor, uneducated and unintegrated and saying that they are "born in the country and into their Black culture which looks down upon working, integrating, education and such... complain(ing) about Island-Blacks coming in and "taking their jobs" and "selling out to Whitey" and such....meanwhile, they remain poor and stupid..."

The difference is that the first part is a statement of economic and social facts having nothing to do with their race (there are white people and brown people and anything else you can think of in the same sort of dowtrodden economic situations with the same problems), and the second is an assumption that they are stupid, lazy and choose to stay that way BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. Whether or not you feel that other blacks from some other location are different, the fact that you have determined that race is what makes these particular people "look down on working... poor and stupid" makes YOU racist.

Nope...sorry. You totally missed all my points which are points taken from the demographics and racial tensions of South Florida. Simply because I put all that into words doesn't make me racist, I didn't come up with it.

Nope...sorry. You totally missed all my points which are points taken from the demographics and racial tensions of South Florida. Simply because I put all that into words doesn't make me racist, I didn't come up with it.

I did not. You missed mine, but I don't think that there is a clearer way to say it than my last post.

It is how you put it together and the words you use (and the assumptions those words project) that makes you a racist.