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At St. John's University in Queens, NY, a possible school shooter was taken into custody without injury to anyone. Students were forced to stay locked down in their buildings until 6pm this evening (and I first heard the reports at 3pm) but... everyone is safe. :)


http://www.1010wins.com/Gun-Scare-at-St--John-s-Univ-/1005127

Good. And this loser ought to have the fact that he didn't injure anyone rubbed in to his sorry face. Make him the America's Dumbest Criminal of University Shooters.

Good. And this loser ought to have the fact that he didn't injure anyone rubbed in to his sorry face. Make him the America's Dumbest Criminal of University Shooters.

So he'll be determined to try again and get it right?

So he'll be determined to try again and get it right?

I'd like to see him try again while in police custody. Then he'll also be up for the Darwin Awards.

I'd like to see him try again while in police custody. Then he'll also be up for the Darwin Awards.

I was implying when he gets back out.

What this boy needs is help. One of the best things that comes out of this is we'll be able to talk with someone that's been driven to this point, and hopefully be able to prevent it in the future.

I think Universities should start suppling bullet-proof vests or at least allow everyone to care a gun. This is getting absurd.

This is good news, and not only because I am getting tired of the gun-control threads that start out as threads on shootings. There were no shots fired right? Well, at least no one was injured.

This is good news, and not only because I am getting tired of the gun-control threads that start out as threads on shootings. There were no shots fired right? Well, at least no one was injured.

Exactly.

The system the Uni put into effect for alerting students and faculty via phone and text messages worked. People were sent to buildings with security personnel to protect them. The gunman was taken into custody and no one hurt.

All in all, a good day.

I think Universities should start suppling bullet-proof vests or at least allow everyone to care a gun. This is getting absurd.

All these people getting hit by cars these days. We need to give everyone a padded suit and helmet just in case. And the government pays.

Without taxes.

All these people getting hit by cars these days. We need to give everyone a padded suit and helmet just in case. And the government pays.

Without taxes.

Didn't Charles Whitman didn't pick people off from the UT Austin Clock Tower with a Ford Edsel?

All these people getting hit by cars these days. We need to give everyone a padded suit and helmet just in case. And the government pays.

Without taxes.
No, no, no. Everything that has the potential to inflict serious injury or death must be banned immediately. No more cars, knives, forks, glass bottles, blunt objects, electricity, guns, toxic substances, sharp edges or corners, shoes, bones, hard surfaces, hard objects, tall buildings, bridges, etc. Only when everyone is locked in a padded room, in full body restraints, being fed a nutrient paste through a hose and water from one of those bottles in rat cages will everyone be safe. And it all has to be done by the government because corporations are big and evil and cannot be trusted with the welfare of others. And there cannot be any tax hikes, just take the profits--no, all the revenue earned by American businesses through hard work and good financial practices to pay for this. Anyone who objects is a terrorist or an evil, stupid conservative warmonger standing in the way of progress.

No, no, no. Everything that has the potential to inflict serious injury or death must be banned immediately. No more cars, knives, forks, glass bottles, blunt objects, electricity, guns, toxic substances, sharp edges or corners, shoes, bones, hard surfaces, hard objects, tall buildings, bridges, etc. Only when everyone is locked in a padded room, in full body restraints, being fed a nutrient paste through a hose and water from one of those bottles in rat cages will everyone be safe. And it all has to be done by the government because corporations are big and evil and cannot be trusted with the welfare of others. And there cannot be any tax hikes, just take the profits--no, all the revenue earned by American businesses through hard work and good financial practices to pay for this. Anyone who objects is a terrorist or an evil, stupid conservative warmonger standing in the way of progress.And THAT scenario is what the Warchowski (sp?) Bros. should have used as the reason for the Matrix!

I got 20 bucks that says this turns into a six page Gun argument thread. Any takers?

At St. John's University in Queens, NY, a possible school shooter was taken into custody without injury to anyone. Students were forced to stay locked down in their buildings until 6pm this evening (and I first heard the reports at 3pm) but... everyone is safe. :)


http://www.1010wins.com/Gun-Scare-at-St--John-s-Univ-/1005127
My heartfelt thanks to the law enforcement officers and all the other folks who helped keep this from becoming another awful campus shooting story. As somebody who has lived on campuses for the last decade or so, I am particularly grateful to the people who help keep campuses safe.

I got 20 bucks that says this turns into a six page Gun argument thread. Any takers?

Screw it, I'm too lazy for this today. I have other arguments to discredit.

I got 20 bucks that says this turns into a six page Gun argument thread. Any takers?

I can see it happening.

Exactly.

The system the Uni put into effect for alerting students and faculty via phone and text messages worked. People were sent to buildings with security personnel to protect them. The gunman was taken into custody and no one hurt.

All in all, a good day.

I still can't help think though that sending students to wait in buildings is usually a bad move in these cases. Normally the shooters go from classroom to classroom etc. shooting people while the police are outside.

I still can't help think though that sending students to wait in buildings is usually a bad move in these cases. Normally the shooters go from classroom to classroom etc. shooting people while the police are outside.

I thought they sent students to buildings with security guards in them.

I still can't help think though that sending students to wait in buildings is usually a bad move in these cases. Normally the shooters go from classroom to classroom etc. shooting people while the police are outside.

Where else would you send them? The two worst shootings have been while people were inside a class room and while people were outside. When most, if not all of, the student body lives on campus, there are precious few choices in where to send them.

Is there any indication that this person intended to shoot anyone with his musket?

Did he have any black powder, wadding, or lead balls to reload with if he missed with his single shot? In the photograph, the ram-rod is missing from beneath the rifle barrel. How do you propose that he intended to reload the rifle without it?

I for one will withhold judgment until some light can be shed on whether this person - charged only with a misdemeanor, intended to harm anyone.

I find it difficult to believe that he brought a musket to school in a bag to stage a massacre.

Is there any indication that this person intended to shoot anyone with his musket?

Did he have any black powder, wadding, or lead balls to reload with if he missed with his single shot? In the photograph, the ram-rod is missing from beneath the rifle barrel. How do you propose that he intended to reload the rifle without it?

I for one will withhold judgment until some light can be shed on whether this person - charged only with a misdemeanor, intended to harm anyone.

I find it difficult to believe that he brought a musket to school in a bag to stage a massacre.

I agree. Even an inline muzzleloader is slow to reload after the shot has been fired (and a lot more is needed other than another bullet). I wonder if this was just a student trying to break the rules and keep a firearm in their dorm room.

It was loaded. He could have killed someone -- perhaps even himself.

Why on earth would anyone stroll onto a campus on a 90 degree day in a rubber mask with a hoodie on, with a rifle in a garbage bag?

Maybe he was trying to incite campus security to kill him; who knows? Suicide-by-cop, so to speak.

Point is, no one hurt. Not even the potential shooter.

This makes less and less sense by the minute. Nobody actually interested in killing people would use a gun like that, but why the fuck was he sneaking it on campus in a rubber mask? Tasteless dumbass prank?

This makes less and less sense by the minute. Nobody actually interested in killing people would use a gun like that, but why the fuck was he sneaking it on campus in a rubber mask? Tasteless dumbass prank?

Theater Major?

I thought they sent students to buildings with security guards in them.

If I were a school/ university shooter I'd take that as a challenge. I mean they normally come ready for ww3, so a couple of security guards isn't going to worry you overmuch.

And that's assuming everything goes to plan and the shooter gives you the chance to put your plan into effect. If the first you know of it is when he starts entering buildings then telling people to stay put isn't going to work. Far better, if you have the chance to tell them anything, to tell them to leave the school area until it's over.

It was loaded. He could have killed someone -- perhaps even himself.

Why on earth would anyone stroll onto a campus on a 90 degree day in a rubber mask with a hoodie on, with a rifle in a garbage bag?

Maybe he was trying to incite campus security to kill him; who knows? Suicide-by-cop, so to speak.

Point is, no one hurt. Not even the potential shooter.


He could have maybe killed someone, but only one person.

A knife would have been a lot more dangerous, and a car even more dangerous than a knife.

"The gun was charged with gunpowder, but Mr. Hiraman did not have other ammunition with him, police said.

Police said they were searching Mr. Hiraman's home in the Elmhurst section of Queens yesterday evening for additional ammunition. As of last night, police had not yet determined whether the gun was fully loaded."


http://www.nysun.com/article/63527

If this is indeed the case, then the gun was only as dangerous as a similarly sized stick.

"The gun was charged with gunpowder, but Mr. Hiraman did not have other ammunition with him, police said.

Police said they were searching Mr. Hiraman's home in the Elmhurst section of Queens yesterday evening for additional ammunition. As of last night, police had not yet determined whether the gun was fully loaded."


http://www.nysun.com/article/63527

If this is indeed the case, then the gun was only as dangerous as a similarly sized stick.

But of course, the campus security could have told that from a mile away using their x-ray vision and precognitive abilities, yes?

At St. John's University in Queens, NY, a possible school shooter was taken into custody without injury to anyone. Students were forced to stay locked down in their buildings until 6pm this evening (and I first heard the reports at 3pm) but... everyone is safe. :)


http://www.1010wins.com/Gun-Scare-at-St--John-s-Univ-/1005127


Crazy isn't it Kat? As much as the crazy stigma is with NY we don't have school shootings or nonsense like this...it's really wierd to see it in NY, that's for sure. Good thing they got the SOB and I hope NYPD makes him very comfortable! They should move him to some of the more rotten precients.

It was loaded. He could have killed someone -- perhaps even himself.

Why on earth would anyone stroll onto a campus on a 90 degree day in a rubber mask with a hoodie on, with a rifle in a garbage bag?

Maybe he was trying to incite campus security to kill him; who knows? Suicide-by-cop, so to speak.

Point is, no one hurt. Not even the potential shooter.


Maybe suicide by cop. This guy could just be crying out for attention too.

I got 20 bucks that says this turns into a six page Gun argument thread. Any takers?

Hell, I have threads that go six pages...and I might hold the record for most low interest threads in the history of NS (that'd be a hard contest to judge, who you notice the least would have to be the one with the least votes or something...)

Aaanyway...six pages would be light weight for a gun control thread.

;) Notice people are TRYING to make it about gun control, when gun control hasn't been brought up?

;) Notice people are TRYING to make it about gun control, when gun control hasn't been brought up?

Well, 'Maniac control' doesn't have the same ring to it...