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I really think he does (though my overwhelming optimism may be clouding my perception) but a lot of people seem to have assumed he doesn't stand a chance. Last I'd heard, he'd raised nearly as much money as Hillary.

Failing having him as president, I think vice president Obama would be a good balance to Hillary's pragmatism.

Gah, was meant to be a poll. let me see if I can fix it.

If Billary implodes yes, otherwise best he can hope for is VP. I think he'd bring a good balance to the super bitch express. Though frankly I'd prefer him as a candidate.

I hope so. He's by far the best candidate.

No, he never did. The guy is an empty suit that that doesn't know what hell he's talking about with issues. He just looks good so people like him.

Hypothesis:
The right is "resigned" to Hillary winning the nomination because the more they repeat it, the more it sticks in peoples' minds, just as planned.
And I think they actually do stand a chance in hell against Hillary.

yes he does. so does john edwards and even bill richardson.

support for hillary is high but its soft. if obama can make more of a splash with the public, if hillary doesnt come in first in iowa, if she makes a mistake, he can catch up with her.

he is the kind of candidate who could really inspire the public. especially when contrasted with giuliani's fear mongering approach.

No, he never did. The guy is an empty suit that that doesn't know what hell he's talking about with issues. He just looks good so people like him.

Agree.

I swear sovie, we must have been separated at birth :-p

The problem with Obama as vice-president is that it makes Hillary president. :(

I hope he does, I don't particularly like him, but I don't loathe him as much as all the others in his party (and actually most of all the others in the other party too)

Agree.

I swear sovie, we must have been separated at birth :-p
obviously. :p

It seems that Obamarama has lost steam - I'm hoping that he is just saving money and energy for the primaries

He never had a shot. Hillary stands no chance either. Honestly, I think the democrats are going to fail to run a decent candidate that could actually win in an election that they should beable to win easily. At this rate whichever Republican is nominated is going to be the next president, and without much of a challenge.

Putting Barrack Osama...err...I mean Obama...and Hillary on the same ticket would basically be giving the election to the Republicans. Edwards certainly is not going to help either one of them either.

Nope. The sad thing is that a great candidate like Mike Gravel has even less of a chance than him.

Putting Barrack Osama...err...I mean Obama..


Wow! You are almost funny. The only thing missing from that so fawking funny joke is the fact that you forget to mention his middle name is Hussein. Like Saddam Hussein. Get it. LOL..


Not. Noob.

I hope so. He's by far the best candidate.

www.gravel08.com

He is the only Democrat with balls. Obama is an empty suit.

Nope. The sad thing is that a great candidate like Mike Gravel has even less of a chance than him.

what the hell is up with him anyway? I can't figure the man out, I swear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8

No I do think Hilary has a chance. I'm not sure with the Republicans though. I shudder to imagine Mitt Romney in power, a Mormon neocon? Ugh.


Well, you could probably count out gays having multiple spouses. ;)

He never had a shot. Hillary stands no chance either. Honestly, I think the democrats are going to fail to run a decent candidate that could actually win in an election that they should beable to win easily. At this rate whichever Republican is nominated is going to be the next president, and without much of a challenge.

Putting Barrack Osama...err...I mean Obama...and Hillary on the same ticket would basically be giving the election to the Republicans. Edwards certainly is not going to help either one of them either.

No I do think Hilary has a chance. I'm not sure with the Republicans though. I shudder to imagine Mitt Romney in power, a Mormon neocon? Ugh.

I would rather have a secular government where people are free to have their own religious beliefs.

QFT.
*Waits patiently*
*Dies of old age*

Well, you could probably count out gays having multiple spouses. ;)

Ha, very true. I'll admit, I am bigoted against most Mormons, along with most Evangelical Christians. Actually, it will be a glorious day for America when we have an all atheist government.

Ha, very true. I'll admit, I am bigoted against most Mormons, along with most Evangelical Christians. Actually, it will be a glorious day for America when we have an all atheist government.

I would rather have a secular government where people are free to have their own religious beliefs.

I'm still waiting for a new third party to come out of the wood works with a platform "I'm not a republican or a democrat. Vote for me."

I would rather have a secular government where people are free to have their own religious beliefs.

I don't think the government should impose religion on others, but we have attempted a "secular" government for 200 years and somehow Christianity still dictates society.

I'm still waiting for a new third party to come out of the wood works with a platform "I'm not a republican or a democrat. Vote for me."

It is unfortunate that we have only 2 partiesin power, but that's how it is. You have to work through them, use them. For example, I have an ideology much more leftist and liberal than any Democrat, but I'm all for hijacking the party to push my beliefs through.

I don't think the government should impose religion on others, but we have attempted a "secular" government for 200 years and somehow Christianity still dictates society.

maybe we can fix that rather than barring a whole group of people from holding office?

Call me illogical, but I don't think the White House will see a non-white 'merakin President any time soon.

maybe we can fix that rather than barring a whole group of people from holding office?

I'm not talking about imposing laws, I'm expressing my hope for social evolution. :)

Call me illogical, but I don't think the White House will see a non-white 'merakin President any time soon.

"They don't call it the White House just because of the paint job."

I'm not talking about imposing laws, I'm expressing my hope for social evolution. :)

so, social evolution is everyone thinking like you?

"They don't call it the White House just because of the paint job."

Sad, innit?

I really think he does (though my overwhelming optimism may be clouding my perception) but a lot of people seem to have assumed he doesn't stand a chance. Last I'd heard, he'd raised nearly as much money as Hillary.

Failing having him as president, I think vice president Obama would be a good balance to Hillary's pragmatism.

Gah, was meant to be a poll. let me see if I can fix it.

I'm Canadian, so it doesn't affect me as much as it does a US citizen.. I really have to be concerned who's whining will be worse; the people crying racism if Obama loses, or the people crying chauvinism if Hillary loses.

That aside, I think I prefer Obama. He's a stately man, and when he speaks, it's easy to listen to him. Sometimes I see him on TV and he reminds me of a black Lincoln.

But whoever loses can just run again in 4/8 years, right?

so, social evolution is everyone thinking like you?

Social evolution in my view are people abandoning the religious barriers that stall progress, and uniting as one people, aiding rather than exploiting each other while advancing their quality of life. So uhh sure.

Sad, innit?

I always find racism pathetic. There are so many better reasons to loathe someone, wait til they talk for instance.

In all of the polls that have Hillary ahead, single women are consistantly a big demographic in her favor. This groups does not vote in large numbers historicaly. If that pattern holds, Obama has a chance to take the nomination. That is why I voted yes on this question.

However, if Hillary can mobilize this demographic, it could change the face of American politics. Before 1980 christian evangelicals were not considered a major factor in modern American elections, now they are. Turnout matters and there is a chance that if single women begin to vote in numbers commersiate with thier share of the population, the outcome would likely be a shift to the left in the American electorate.

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Have to love an age in Western society when a Muslim, or anyone perceived to be a Muslim is regarded as more evil and repugnant than straight out Satanists.

Of course Obama still has a shot, even after the first primary a candidate's support can swing either way. Hillary is up in the polls now, but that could change very easily.

He never had a shot. Hillary stands no chance either. Honestly, I think the democrats are going to fail to run a decent candidate that could actually win in an election that they should beable to win easily. At this rate whichever Republican is nominated is going to be the next president, and without much of a challenge.

Putting Barrack Osama...err...I mean Obama...and Hillary on the same ticket would basically be giving the election to the Republicans. Edwards certainly is not going to help either one of them either.

I don't suppose you'd be willing to back up this argument at all? let us in on your "reasoning"?

He has plenty of money and Oprah. No reason to count him out just yet.

The Republicans have ass. Romney has the best shot at winning the nomination and he's a Mormon. That's saying something.

I'm still waiting for a new third party to come out of the wood works with a platform "I'm not a republican or a democrat. Vote for me."

We have one; they're the Lib Dems. Well, they'll never actually win, but they're an amusing afterthought all the same.

I always find racism pathetic. There are so many better reasons to loathe someone, wait til they talk for instance.

I've heard him speak; he sounds like Gordon Brown without the toned down scoth accent. Bombstic, simplistic and demagoguic.

William Hague genuinely is the best political orator of his generation. He contrives to be entertaining, pertinent, erudite and correct.:)

"They don't call it the White House just because of the paint job."

Indeed, for they call it that as a sign for Khacklow, Oh how great is it, for when the great day comes when he wipes out the Telemarketers and elevates the Hippies above all, to spare the pizza.

Have to love an age in Western society when a Muslim, or anyone perceived to be a Muslim is regarded as more evil and repugnant than straight out Satanists.

Neither are evil, research Satanism.

Nope, I'm pretty sure devil worship is evil.

Nope. Only if you are moronic to subscribe to the belief that satanism is all goats horns, pentagrams and virgin's blood.

Neither are evil, research Satanism.

Nope, I'm pretty sure devil worship is evil.

Neither are evil, research Satanism.

I was referring to general Western (and usually Christian) perception of Satanism, based on the name alone. I personally find it a Stoic Philosophy that unfortunately has to rely on shock-jock level advertising to garner any attention at all.

Putting Barrack Osama...err...I mean Obama...

Wow! That's so creative! I've never heard that point before! You should make that a hackneyed talking point!

Together, we smash the Muslims with pork hammers!

Wow! That's so creative! I've never heard that point before! You should make that a hackneyed talking point!

Together, we smash the Muslims with pork hammers!

No no no... it's Ham-mers. Dotted with cloves and honey-glazed for extra pain on top of the defilement.

No no no... it's Ham-mers. Dotted with cloves and honey-glazed for extra pain on top of the defilement.

Actually, that sounds kinda good...