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Though Bill tried to spin it he showed his true colors here. My favorite part wasn't the part where he said how surprised he was that people in Harlem were well behaved at all. I mean, that was some blatantly racist sh#t. My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well." Damn right, they're both edcuated men you condescending sons of b#tches. O'Reilly spinning his comments will fool the 73 year old, less educated viewing audience is fine. But don't expect the rest of us to buy your tripe.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_top

Though Bill tried to spin it he showed his true colors here. My favorite part wasn't the part where he said how surprised he was that people in Harlem were well behaved at all. I mean, that was some blatantly racist sh#t. My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well." Damn right, they're both edcuated men you condescending sons of b#tches. O'Reilly spinning his comments will fool the 73 year old, less educated viewing audience is fine. But don't expect the rest of us to buy your tripe.

Morons like to talk. People who like to talk are morons. Although I've never heard the guy, I can guess he's a moron.

wow what an asshole.
During the September 19 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, discussing his recent trip to have dinner with Rev. Al Sharpton at Sylvia's, a famous restaurant in Harlem, Bill O'Reilly reported that he "had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful," adding: "I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." Later, during a discussion with National Public Radio senior correspondent and Fox News contributor Juan Williams about the effect of rap on culture, O'Reilly asserted: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_top

Though Bill tried to spin it he showed his true colors here. My favorite part wasn't the part where he said how surprised he was that people in Harlem were well behaved at all. I mean, that was some blatantly racist sh#t. My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well." Damn right, they're both edcuated men you condescending sons of b#tches. O'Reilly spinning his comments will fool the 73 year old, less educated viewing audience is fine. But don't expect the rest of us to buy your tripe.

Now care to post exactly what he said so we can have a looksie without clicking the link?

Did you actually listen to the whole clip, or did you make up your mind first?

Luckily for me I don't hear much of Billygoat* around here so he still amuses me.

*no, no ,no it is an under bridge dwelling creature that gobbles bones and is easily fooled by billygoats. what you are saying has nothing to do with trolls, your a fü©☆tard.

I can bet you my car that every single conservative talk show had an hour long segment on this this morning about how people are overreacting and O'Reilly did nothing wrong.

I can bet you my car that every single conservative talk show had an hour long segment on this this morning about how people are overreacting and O'Reilly did nothing wrong.

My father is listening to Rush Limbaugh and I can hear him talking and so far, I have not heard anything about this on his show.

My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well."

Whenever Barak Obama is on the news, white people give him the same compliments: 'How do you feel about Barak Obama?', 'He speaks so well! He's so well spoken. I mean he really speaks so well!' Like that's a compliment, shit. 'He speaks so well' is not a compliment, okay? 'He speaks so well' is some shit you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fucking United States Senator! How the fuck you expect him to sound, you dirty motherfucker? 'He speaks so well.' What are you talking about? What voice were you expecting to come out of his mouth? 'Imma drop me a bomb today', 'I be Pwez o dent!'."

With apologies to Chris Rock

My father is listening to Rush Limbaugh and I can hear him talking and so far, I have not heard anything about this on his show.
Lovely, the big, fat insulting hypocrite hasn't said anything about it so far on his several hour daily show time. He's totally never said anything racist before either :rolleyes:

Just switch to Satellite Radio then you can drop N bombs all you want...i don't really care what someone says about another race...be they Black White Asian etc etc...let them be ignorant if they want

Did you actually listen to the whole clip, or did you make up your mind first?

Listened to the whole link thank you. you tube is great for the video. The bootom line is that it's not blatantly racist. It's the type of nod and wink racism that people like Bill have been getting away with for years. Him saying that Obama is articulate emphasize my point. Why would you expect an educated man to not be articulate. Unless ou think that because he's black he should be saying "fo shizzle my nizzle." O'reilly trying to cloke his racism in a piece that was "against racism" is just part of the damn joke. Wink and nod Mackaka

Now care to post exactly what he said so we can have a looksie without clicking the link?

intellectual laziness?

intellectual laziness?

Nope. Just do not click on links that are from liberal or from conservative media groups.

Listened to the whole link thank you. you tube is great for the video. The bootom line is that it's not blatantly racist. It's the type of nod and wink racism that people like Bill have been getting away with for years. Him saying that Obama is articulate emphasize my point. Why would you expect an educated man to not be articulate. Unless ou think that because he's black he should be saying "fo shizzle my nizzle." O'reilly trying to cloke his racism in a piece that was "against racism" is just part of the damn joke. Wink and nod Mackaka

I don't interpret it that way. I think there's plenty of stuff to be taken out of it's context if you WANT to believe he's racist, but I don't think, objectively speaking, that's his intent.

And I bet I've heard a lot more O'Reilley than you have.

For those defending him: What he said was blatantly racist, and anyone who can't see that is an idiot or a fraud. He's basically saying that he's amazed when black people behave with any civility at all. He's openly expecting them to be barbarians. That's a racist form of thought.

"Oh my god, black people are humans?"

O'Reilly asserted: 'There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.'

What a surprise! I mean... it's a BLACK establishment!

Got a little Captain in you?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_top

Though Bill tried to spin it he showed his true colors here. My favorite part wasn't the part where he said how surprised he was that people in Harlem were well behaved at all. I mean, that was some blatantly racist sh#t. My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well." Damn right, they're both edcuated men you condescending sons of b#tches. O'Reilly spinning his comments will fool the 73 year old, less educated viewing audience is fine. But don't expect the rest of us to buy your tripe.

Well, to be fair, I've often said that Obama is a great speaker, above and beyond what I generally expect from a politician. I'm not disagreeing that O'Reilly is a racist bastard, but calling Obama "articulate" isn't necessarily racist. I mean, watch a video sometime of him at the 2004 DNC. It's one of the best and most inspiring speeches I've ever heard from a politician. I'd never made a connection between saying Obama is a good speaker and him being black-- I've always compared him to, say, Hilary, or any of the other presidential candidates.

But, anyway. O'Reilly certainly is a racist fuckwad. "zOMG, black peepulz r civilized LOL!"

O'Reilly pointed out their was no difference in the establishment or the patrons. Sounds like if he was racist, now he is less racist. Wouldn't that be better than before? Encouragement works better than hatred.

I agree, you should have seen the thread I made on this assfuck.

With apologies to Chris Rock

hehe

I had a woman ask me once where I was from. I told her, and her response was, "But you speak so well!" Apparently, people who grew up in the southern US can't speak well either.

O'Reilly pointed out their was no difference in the establishment or the patrons. Sounds like if he was racist, now he is less racist.

How do you figure?

O'Reilly expressed shock that non-whites can function like actual civilized human beings. How does that demonstrate a DECREASE in his racism?

To me, it looks like he had an experience that might--in any sane human--have been eye-opening. But, being Bill O'Reilly, he learned precisely zip.


Wouldn't that be better than before? Encouragement works better than hatred.
I'm gonna go with...no.

Encouraging Bill O'Reilly does not sound like a sane plan of action.

I'm sorry, why are you all shocked by this? There are so many public figures who are racist, including both O'Reilly and Al Sharpton.

The fact of the matter is most people are, at the very least, a teensy bit racist. You might not realize it, but you hold pre-conceived notions about one race or segment of the society.

At the risk of sounding a bit racist myself, I will say that it is publicly more acceptable for a "minority" to express racist opinions about the "majority" than the other way around. If it's unacceptable for one side, it should be unacceptable for both, but it rarely turns out that way.

Hydesland, temper your arguement instead of spraying profanities.

What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fucking United States Senator!
Spoken like a man who has never watched C-SPAN. Becoming a US Senator requires no speaking ability, no intellect, no form of accomplishment of any kind. All it takes is getting the party nod and making people think you are marginally less horrible than the idiot who got the nod from the other party.

If Bill O Reilly or say former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard, Senator Robert Byrd, realized their wrongs and apologized would you be satisified? "Before you say, no, because it would never happen" Please answer with a yes or no.

If Bill O Reilly or say former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard, Senator Robert Byrd, realized their wrongs and apologized would you be satisified? "Before you say, no, because it would never happen" Please answer with a yes or no.

Yes, I would be satisfied (well, in the case of the klansmen, I would also expect some restitution)

BUT I doubt that Bill has had a realization here. He probably thinks this is just an isolated situation, and that the majority of black people act like gangsters all the time.

I doubt this has changed him, but his shock reveals what he truly thinks.

Why should this O'Reillys claim be so controversial?

Sounds like if he was racist, now he is less racist.

Hardly. There's a strong difference between "wow, this totally goes against my conceptions of black people, I guess I was wrong" and "wow, these people totally aren't behaving like black people!"

The first is a realization of error, and that, if not commendable, is at very least a good thing.

The second is a steadfast refusal to dmit your viewpoint could be wrong, and instead feel the need to belittle people in the guise of praise by talking about how surprisingly civil they were, not like "normal" black folks.

Why should this O'Reillys claim be so controversial?

The claims are not controversial. The fact that black people being civilized is shocking to Bill O'Rielly is. He reveals that he expects black people in a family restaurant to be acting like gangsters, and expresses surprise that such an establishment while run by black people maintains basic civility. He reveals his apparent belief that black people are no more than barbarians, and sees this situation as an exception to the rule.

This O'Reilly should have picked his words more carefully, but the way he talked about Harlem should of course be understood, as the region was (is?) a very dangerous place.

The claims are not controversial. The fact that black people being civilized is shocking to Bill O'Rielly is. He reveals that he expects black people in a family restaurant to be acting like gangsters, and expresses surprise that such an establishment while run by black people maintains basic civility. He reveals his apparent belief that black people are no more than barbarians, and sees this situation as an exception to the rule.

He can say such things without censure because he works for a Republican mouthpiece masquerading as a news organization, and Republicans don't bother trying with black voters anymore.

This O'Reilly should have picked his words more carefully, but the way he talked about Harlem should of course be understood, as the region was (is?) a very dangerous place.

not Recently. from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem#Recent_history)
In 1981, 6,500 robberies were reported in Harlem. The number dropped to 4,800 in 1990, perhaps due to an increase in the number of police assigned to the neighborhood. Over the next ten years, with the end of the "crack wars" and with the initiation of aggressive policing under mayor Rudolph Giuliani, crime in Harlem plummeted. In 2000, 1,700 robberies were reported. There have been similar changes in all categories of crimes tracked by the New York City Police Department.[53] In the 32nd Precinct, for example, in Central Harlem, between 1993 and 2004, the murder rate dropped 68%, the rape rate dropped 70%, the robbery rate dropped 60%, burglary dropped 81%, and the total number of crime complaints dropped 62%.[54]

Washington D.C., however, is still ridden with crime and murder, and yet I doubt O'Rielly would have made these comments about a family restaurant run by white people in D.C.

There's nothing racist about his comments. He was giving blacks a compliment, and good for him. He may be a lot of things, but a racist I don't think is one of them.

And this was not reported on the Rush Limbaugh show nore so far on Hannity. Looks like I am going to get someone's car. :D

There's nothing racist about his comments. He was giving blacks a compliment, and good for him. He may be a lot of things, but a racist I don't think is one of them.

It was a condescending compliment. Like someone saying to you "I'm amazed you can eat without getting food all over your shirt! Good Job!"

O'Reilly is such a dumbshit. He calls the ACLU and the fucking Daily Kos, "fascist", no joke. If anyone thinks that liberals overuse the word "fascist" when talking about Bush's regime, they should see how often O'Reilly uses it.

His statements, racist or not, are always without any credibility. And at the very least, he is extremely prejudiced against Muslims and atheists.

Glorious Alpha Complex, can we consider this as an endorsement for Republican Presidential Candidate Rudolph Guiliani? He did clean up Harlem.

While Guiliani is the only republican I currently know of that I have any modicum of respect for, I'm afraid I'll be supporting Obama in the next election.

Glorious Alpha Complex, can we consider this as an endorsement for Republican Presidential Candidate Rudolph Guiliani? He did clean up Harlem.

While Guiliani is the only republican I currently know of that I have any modicum of respect for, I'm afraid I'll be supporting Obama in the next election.

Guiliani doesn't have a prayer though. He's way too liberal, and frankly all you have to do is circulate the pictures of him in a dress and he's sunk with the moral majority.

While Guiliani is the only republican I currently know of that I have any modicum of respect for, I'm afraid I'll be supporting Obama in the next election.

The Democrats are worthless and the Republicans are dangerous. I'm afraid though Hilary will be the one taking control in 2009, as far as I can tell.

It was a condescending compliment. Like someone saying to you "I'm amazed you can eat without getting food all over your shirt! Good Job!"

its still a compliment.

Hydesland, temper your arguement instead of spraying profanities.


Its O'Reilly - "assfuck" is a mild descriptive, considering.

Glorious Alpha Complex, can we consider this as an endorsement for Republican Presidential Candidate Rudolph Guiliani? He did clean up Harlem.


Did he do it by running round shouting "9/11" a lot? There must be a few here who were in a city that got bombed. Maybe they should shout about it like it was an achievment and run for some office....

"Wow, I ate in a Muhhamedan restaurant today, and I was shocked that they didn't suicide bomb me like normal moslems!"

Would you not think that somebody who made that statement was probably prejudiced against your religion?

not necessarily, though I would feel they were gravely misinformed about Islam.

its still a compliment.

"Wow, I ate in a Muhhamedan restaurant today, and I was shocked that they didn't suicide bomb me like normal moslems!"

Would you not think that somebody who made that statement was probably prejudiced against your religion?

Racist? yes. But it doesn't seem hes the kind of racist who ignores facts, but simply has made presuppositions given the information that has been provided to him. If he was a hardcore racist he would have never said that black people were capable of being civilized even after seeing it himself. If anything it seemed that the point of his show was to inform people that the black population isn't exactly as it seems to those casually observing what they see in the news. I don't think a true, willfully racist person would do that.

I don't interpret it that way. I think there's plenty of stuff to be taken out of it's context if you WANT to believe he's racist, but I don't think, objectively speaking, that's his intent.

And I bet I've heard a lot more O'Reilley than you have.

No, I don't think O'Reilly was intentionally being racist. It just kind of slipped out. The only other response than him being a racist is that he's just an ignorant SOB. Now that I can see being the case. The idea that he even expected black people to say things like "get me some more Iced Tea MF-er" is telling. It's like people who use sterotypes to try and justify their racism. "Boy those Chinks are sure smart." "You know what, those negros sure do pack some junk?" There wasn't racist intent in what Bill was saying, but it sure as hell was racist. "You know, it was just like a restaraunt anywhere else except that it was black owned and had black patronage." Really? It's not harcore "let's go lynch a n*gger" racism, but it sure as hell isn't right.

As a side note, we can add racist to perverted misogynist (1-800-dirty-bill) And even I wouldn't give a damn about his phone habits if he didn't try to pull this "moral higher ground" bullshit.

I'm sorry, why are you all shocked by this? There are so many public figures who are racist, including both O'Reilly and Al Sharpton.

The fact of the matter is most people are, at the very least, a teensy bit racist. You might not realize it, but you hold pre-conceived notions about one race or segment of the society.

At the risk of sounding a bit racist myself, I will say that it is publicly more acceptable for a "minority" to express racist opinions about the "majority" than the other way around. If it's unacceptable for one side, it should be unacceptable for both, but it rarely turns out that way.

Agreed. Rev Al is a racist and a race baiter to his core.

There's nothing racist about his comments. He was giving blacks a compliment, and good for him. He may be a lot of things, but a racist I don't think is one of them.

yeah, a compliment for Bill. "Boy those nigg*rs sure can play basketball" is not a really a compliment when it comes right down to it. Speaking in generalities about an entire groups of people leads to thing like, hmmm, the extermination of 6 million jews perhaps.

yea,this is no news to me,I always knew bill o reily to be a racist,pussy,and idiot.

not necessarily, though I would feel they were gravely misinformed about Islam.

really?! you would think someone was merely 'misinformed' rather than outright bigoted if they openly admitted that they think the standard operating procedure of musselmen was to suicide bomb everyone, and thus 'compliment' the few he met for not doing so? honestly?

Nope. Just do not click on links that are from liberal or from conservative media groups.

Why?

Bill is slanderized above anybody else, it sickens the liberal media that Bill is a conservative journalist, (at that a moderate, it's not even like he's a fullblown Reagnite..)

If you ever actually botherd to watch his show you'd know that. Bill does topics about once a week how the slander against him is outrageous. He could talk about how his grandmother was rascist, and how it was wrong, and they'd spin it to make it look like he's rascist.

That's why his show is called the no spin zone. No lies, no bullcrap, just the truth.

This post made me giggle. So, your evidence that Bill O'Reilly is not an ass is the fact that he spends large portions of his show whining about how everyone thinks he's an ass? Did it ever occur to you that Bill O'Reilly might not have the most unbiased opinion on Bill O'Reilly?

Bill O'Reilly's reaction would only be deemed acceptable were he an astronaut who came back from orbit to suddenly discover that simian lifeform had evolved to human-level sentience and the humans were all huddled in underground resistance. Otherwise it's pretty much patronizing, condescending and likely disingenuous to boot.

I lost respect for the man ever since his "arguement" (and I use that word loosely) with Ron Paul.

its still a compliment.

Good for you Soviestan! You posted all by yourself and only screwed up a tiny little bit this time. You are not as much of an idiot as we all thought after all.




What? It is still a compliment.

not necessarily, though I would feel they were gravely misinformed about Islam.
Grave misinformation is an inherent part of racism. Racism is a specific type of misinformation, really, where you expect that all (or nearly all) people of a given race have attribute X, where X could be anything.

Bill is slanderized above anybody else, it sickens the liberal media that Bill is a conservative journalist, (at that a moderate, it's not even like he's a fullblown Reagnite..)

If you ever actually botherd to watch his show you'd know that. Bill does topics about once a week how the slander against him is outrageous. He could talk about how his grandmother was rascist, and how it was wrong, and they'd spin it to make it look like he's rascist.

That's why his show is called the no spin zone. No lies, no bullcrap, just the truth.

Nice. :D

Oh, wait, you were being serious. :eek:

O' Reilly really should've worded this better.

"So I went to a restaurant in Harlem, and the atmosphere, the food, and the people around me were nice, and Al Sharpton was a great dinner guest and we talked about various topic."

That would've been better than that he did say.

Why?

Because I do not want to insult my intelligence. I prefer places like factcheck.org. As far as I can tell, they are about as unbiased as possible.

O' Reilly really should've worded this better.

"So I went to a restaurant in Harlem, and the atmosphere, the food, and the people around me were nice, and Al Sharpton was a great dinner guest and we talked about various topic."

That would've been better than that he did say.

It would have been, but then what would we do on NSG?:confused:

It would have been, but then what would we do on NSG?:confused:

That's a good point. If the world wasn't such a rediculous place, we would have to make this shit up.

Because I do not want to insult my intelligence. I prefer places like factcheck.org. As far as I can tell, they are about as unbiased as possible.

Interesting... except for the fact that this particular link is the actual recording of Bill O'Reilly being discussed in this thread. It is not someone else talking about what he said... it is him. And if you want to participate in this discussion of the actual things said by Bill O'Reilly, doesn't it make sense to listen to those actual things as said actually by him?

Of course, Bill O'Reilly in general IS an insult to one's intelligence, I agree... but when discussing what he said, it makes sense to listen to what he said.

Interesting... except for the fact that this particular link is the actual recording of Bill O'Reilly being discussed in this thread. It is not someone else talking about what he said... it is him. And if you want to participate in this discussion of the actual things said by Bill O'Reilly, doesn't it make sense to listen to those actual things as said actually by him?

Of course, Bill O'Reilly in general IS an insult to one's intelligence, I agree... but when discussing what he said, it makes sense to listen to what he said.

Don't be usin' none of that commie logic here. If you ask me, them thar Vulcans were commies, what with that whole "no monetary system" of theres.

O' Reilly really should've worded this better.

"So I went to a restaurant in Harlem, and the atmosphere, the food, and the people around me were nice, and Al Sharpton was a great dinner guest and we talked about various topic."

That would've been better than that he did say.

Isn't that the whole point? It would be great for him to say "A jolly good time was had by all" but then again he didn't say it. It's nice to imagine though.

And O'Reilly is blaming some massive liberal conspiracy to smear his good name. The only way he could be any more hypocritical or self-righteous was if he was Rush Limbaugh.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_top

Though Bill tried to spin it he showed his true colors here. My favorite part wasn't the part where he said how surprised he was that people in Harlem were well behaved at all. I mean, that was some blatantly racist sh#t. My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well." Damn right, they're both edcuated men you condescending sons of b#tches. O'Reilly spinning his comments will fool the 73 year old, less educated viewing audience is fine. But don't expect the rest of us to buy your tripe.

Doesn't this guy realize he's about as credible as a llama?

Guys, the MTAE crowd are secretly laughing now, we need not glorify them with a Faux topic.

I was going to take this thread seriously but then I noticed where you got the information from...and at pantless if you follow mediamatters at all you would know they in fact do smear conservatives...on a regular basis...and are as biased as the drudge report who smears Liberals on a regular basis... and before you start ranting... I'm not a "conservative" or "liberal" so I have nothing to lose or gain here

I was going to take this thread seriously but then I noticed where you got the information from...and at pantless if you follow mediamatters at all you would know they in fact do smear conservatives...on a regular basis...and are as biased as the drudge report who smears Liberals on a regular basis... and before you start ranting... I'm not a "conservative" or "liberal" so I have nothing to lose or gain here

Umm, "we report you decide." If you do not want to take Media Maters at their word then watch the video of what he said. Hell, go to his website and read the trnscript. It's not like anyone is just making shit up. He actually said these things. So try to deal with it if you can do so. Don't dismiss it as some vast liberal conspiracy.

You know...wetback is apt since many of the illegals cross the Rio Grande. Hence the term :D

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1147

O'Reilly's Racist Slurs--in Context

By Peter Hart


In April 2003, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly hosted a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. As reported in the Washington Post (4/15/03), O'Reilly was trying to fill the time before a singing group connected with the charity, called the Best Men, was set to perform, and quipped: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps."

According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention.

Two months before O'Reilly's "hubcaps" remark, he used a racist slur on the air. Searching for a word to describe someone who assists immigrants crossing the border, O'Reilly came up with "wetback" (2/6/03). The incident was explained away by Fox officials as an unfortunate gaffe (New York Times, 2/10/03), but the Allentown, Pa. Morning Call (1/5/03) had O'Reilly using the same racist term in a speech earlier in the year: "O'Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out 'the wetbacks.'" O'Reilly denied making the comment (Washington Post, 2/17/02), but the reporter stands by his account.

Though he calls his show a "no-spin zone," O'Reilly's response (CNBC, 4/26/03) to the "wetback" incident was a blatant, if feeble, exercise in spin--and an attempt to blame his guest:


We were talking about border patrol and the problems they were having. I'm going, "What's the jargon? What's the jargon? We got coyotes, right? Coyotes and we got wetbacks. Is that what they call them? Is that what they call them?" All right? And the guy goes, "Yeah. The wetbacks are the slang for the people who come over and the coyotes are the slang for the people who get paid to bring them over." That was the context.


A transcript of the show demonstrates O'Reilly's highly imaginative memory. Here's how the interview really went: In support of his proposal to militarize U.S. borders, O'Reilly remarked, "We'd save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes--they're not going to do what they're doing now, all right, so people aren't going to die in the desert." He then offered the "last word" to his guest, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D.-Texas), who did not address O'Reilly's slur at all, but instead tried to explain why he thought using the Army to patrol the borders was a bad idea. (O'Reilly reneged on his promise to give Reyes the last word, interrupting him with a rebuttal.)

The actual "context" of O'Reilly's slur is a history of making derogatory, stereotyping comments about people of color. Just a few examples:

* During an interview for Stuff magazine (11/02), O'Reilly opined that "the most unattractive women in the world are probably in the Muslim countries." O'Reilly later insisted (New York Daily News, 10/10/02), "There was no malice intended. It was just in jest."

* During a segment (2/9/00) about black athletes suing over the minimum academic standards for college admission, O'Reilly commented: "Look, you know as well as I do most of these kids come out and they can't speak English."

* Criticizing Democratic politicians who met with Rev. Al Sharpton, which O'Reilly compared to meeting with white supremacist David Duke: "Why would it be different? Both use race to promote themselves." (3/16/00) O'Reilly also equated the Black Panthers with Duke (1/11/99): "You were promoting your people, black people, and he's promoting white people. So what's the difference?"

* "We have black leaders in this country who blame everything on whitey, everything's the system's fault, and that gives a built-in excuse to fail and act irresponsible. 'Oh, I can't get a job. Whitey won't let me,' or 'I can't get educated. The teachers are bad, so I'm going to go out and get high and sell drugs. That's the only way we can make money here.' You know what I mean? And it's a vicious cycle" (6/8/99).

* "Will African-Americans break away from the pack thinking and reject immorality--because that's the reason the family's breaking apart--alcohol, drugs, infidelity. You have to reject that, and it doesn't seem--and I'm broadly speaking here, but a lot of African-Americans won't reject it" (2/25/99).

* "I've been to Africa three times. All right? You can't bring Western reasoning into the culture. The same way you can't bring it into fundamental Islam" (5/6/02).

After the "wetback" incident, O'Reilly wrote in a newspaper column (South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 3/1/03) that Americans "must realize that racial demonization is now organized and well-funded, and it will not end until everyday people begin condemning it." He wasn't talking about himself, though; he was referring to critics who label him a racist.



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You know...wetback is apt since many of the illegals cross the Rio Grande. Hence the term :D

We know where the term came from Corny. I'm happy to see you still have a sense of humor about things. It may be a term commonly used but it is most certainly inflamatory. The term WOP was used to describe by ancestors but I don't think they'd like it if you called them that. They might come out with the line "don't bring a knife to a gun fight."

You know, given that supposed "authentic black culture," at least among youth, involves:

Dressing like a hooligan
Using very very poor, almost pidgin, English
Referring to women as "bitches" and "hos"
Heavy use of profanity
Predisposition towards violence
Laziness and an entitlement mentality


it's perfectly reasonable to be surprised when one encounters a large group of black people that behaves in a civilized manner.

You know, given that supposed "authentic black culture," at least among youth, involves:

Dressing like a hooligan
Using very very poor, almost pidgin, English
Referring to women as "bitches" and "hos"
Heavy use of profanity
Predisposition towards violence
Laziness and an entitlement mentality


it's perfectly reasonable to be surprised when one encounters a large group of black people that behaves in a civilized manner.

...

No, wait, wait, let me start at the beginning.

"You know, given that supposed "authentic black culture," at least among youth, involves:"

Okay, you used 'supposed' and scare quotes, so I'm not entirely sure what you -really- mean, you then except it to mean only youths...

Screw it, I don't know what you mean. I think I should be insulted, but I'm not sure.

We know where the term came from Corny. I'm happy to see you still have a sense of humor about things. It may be a term commonly used but it is most certainly inflamatory.

It is only inflamatory if people want to make it inflamatory.

You know, given that supposed "authentic black culture," at least among youth, involves:

Dressing like a hooligan
Using very very poor, almost pidgin, English
Referring to women as "bitches" and "hos"
Heavy use of profanity
Predisposition towards violence
Laziness and an entitlement mentality


it's perfectly reasonable to be surprised when one encounters a large group of black people that behaves in a civilized manner.

All I can say is WOW. "Athentic Black Culture" is not always seen on BET. You, like Billy O are able to stigmatize and entire race and pigenhole them as to how you percieve them. I have several youthful black friends and not one of them dresses like a thug and uses ghetto phonics.

It is only inflamatory if people want to make it inflamatory.

Really, so calling my friend Mohamed who is from Egypt a "Sand-n#gger" is only inflamatory if he wants to make it that way? Knowing that you're lilly white I want you to go to the same neighborhood in Harlem and start yelling out "n#gger." Or better yet go above 125th and start screaming about "sp#cs." Then explain to them that you weren't attempting to inflame them and it's their fault for being offended. I'll get the pine box and plot ready for you. RIP Corny!

Really, so calling my friend Mohamed who is from Egypt a "Sand-n#gger" is only inflamatory if he wants to make it that way. Knowing that you're lilly white I want you to go to the same neighborhood in Harlem and start yelling out "n#gger." Or better yet go above 125th and start screaming about "sp#cs." Then explain to them that you weren't attempting to inflame them and it's their fault for being offended. I'll get the pine box and plot ready for you. RIP Corny!

Do you honestly think I am going to be that stupid? Even I do not like those words and will clock anyone who uses them.

All I can say is WOW. "Athentic Black Culture" is not always seen on BET. You, like Billy O are able to stigmatize and entire race and pigenhole them as to how you percieve them. I have several youthful black friends and not one of them dresses like a thug and uses ghetto phonics.

But.. but.. but BET is "Black Entertainment Television" and is obviously a window into the African American world and everything shown therein is how it really is.

To the person who put up the original post: Did you even bother going over EVERYTHING Bill said, or did you, like so many others, automatically take this one quote--which has absolutely nothing racist in it if you take the time to analyse it, which I'm sure you didn't and you won't--or did you just see the words "black" and "white" in the quote and automatically assume that Bill's being racist simply because you don't agree with his politics? Now who's playing the race card, Bill or you?

To the person who put up the original post: Did you even bother going over EVERYTHING Bill said, or did you, like so many others, automatically take this one quote--which has absolutely nothing racist in it if you take the time to analyse it, which I'm sure you didn't and you won't--or did you just see the words "black" and "white" in the quote and automatically assume that Bill's being racist simply because you don't agree with his politics? Now who's playing the race card, Bill or you?

Umm...No one?

But.. but.. but BET is "Black Entertainment Television" and is obviously a window into the African American world and everything shown therein is how it really is.

Which is my point.

Right or wrong--and BET isn't the only guilty party in this respect, although it's certainly an obvious one--this is the common image of what modern "black culture" is. Whether this is merely a reflection of the actual behaviors of blacks, or blacks simply are conforming to what they're told is "authentic black culture" not only from within media sources but from so-called "black leaders" such as Sharpton and Jackson, this is the popular conception of how one expects blacks to behave. It's certainly reasonable, then, to be genuinely surprised when one has an experience that contradicts this image.

Which is my point.
I take it you missed the sarcasm.

Which is my point.

Right or wrong--and BET isn't the only guilty party in this respect, although it's certainly an obvious one--this is the common image of what modern "black culture" is. Whether this is merely a reflection of the actual behaviors of blacks, or blacks simply are conforming to what they're told is "authentic black culture" not only from within media sources but from so-called "black leaders" such as Sharpton and Jackson, this is the popular conception of how one expects blacks to behave. It's certainly reasonable, then, to be genuinely surprised when one has an experience that contradicts this image.

Um, no, because that's television. You know, shows and stuff that people create? It's not reasonable to expect that, it's ignorant of reality and fiction.

Which is my point.

Right or wrong--and BET isn't the only guilty party in this respect, although it's certainly an obvious one--this is the common image of what modern "black culture" is. Whether this is merely a reflection of the actual behaviors of blacks, or blacks simply are conforming to what they're told is "authentic black culture" not only from within media sources but from so-called "black leaders" such as Sharpton and Jackson, this is the popular conception of how one expects blacks to behave. It's certainly reasonable, then, to be genuinely surprised when one has an experience that contradicts this image.

Oh, please. With an even moderate level of education and socialization, anyone should be aware that BET is no representative of American "black culture" as much as it's representative of media-hyped "pop culture" which are, really, two completely different things. To be a television personality, implying a certain level of knowledge and intelligence, and to be surprised that when you go to a black neighborhood and dine in a restaurant that people were, *gasp*, acting like anyone else in the American society would act, betrays certain racist tendencies, whether they are conscious or not. He might as well have said that he was surprised they didn't only serve watermelon and fried chicken, ffs.

I take it you missed the sarcasm.

No, I didn't miss it. But there was an underlying truth to your statement--that this is what the media portrays "authentic black culture" as.

Oh, please. With an even moderate level of education and socialization, anyone should be aware that BET is no representative of American "black culture" as much as it's representative of media-hyped "pop culture" which are, really, two completely different things. To be a television personality, implying a certain level of knowledge and intelligence, and to be surprised that when you go to a black neighborhood and dine in a restaurant that people were, *gasp*, acting like anyone else in the American society would act, betrays certain racist tendencies, whether they are conscious or not. He might as well have said that he was surprised they didn't only serve watermelon and fried chicken, ffs.

Oh do not confuse the poor fellow. I mean, most of the time he has no clue as to what he is talking about.

Do you honestly think I am going to be that stupid? Even I do not like those words and will clock anyone who uses them.

so then we agree those types of words are inflamatory and would get your a** kicked when used in front of the party they pertain to.

To the person who put up the original post: Did you even bother going over EVERYTHING Bill said, or did you, like so many others, automatically take this one quote--which has absolutely nothing racist in it if you take the time to analyse it, which I'm sure you didn't and you won't--or did you just see the words "black" and "white" in the quote and automatically assume that Bill's being racist simply because you don't agree with his politics? Now who's playing the race card, Bill or you?

Hello Puppet. I love it when suddenly names come up with 1-10 posts to "support" the opposite argument. I've already answered the questions you asked so go through the thread and read it yourself.

To the person who put up the original post: Did you even bother going over EVERYTHING Bill said, or did you, like so many others, automatically take this one quote--which has absolutely nothing racist in it if you take the time to analyse it, which I'm sure you didn't and you won't--or did you just see the words "black" and "white" in the quote and automatically assume that Bill's being racist simply because you don't agree with his politics? Now who's playing the race card, Bill or you?

Yes yes you're probably right. If only there was a pattern of behavior to explain this away.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1147

O'Reilly's Racist Slurs--in Context

By Peter Hart


In April 2003, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly hosted a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. As reported in the Washington Post (4/15/03), O'Reilly was trying to fill the time before a singing group connected with the charity, called the Best Men, was set to perform, and quipped: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps."

According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention.

Two months before O'Reilly's "hubcaps" remark, he used a racist slur on the air. Searching for a word to describe someone who assists immigrants crossing the border, O'Reilly came up with "wetback" (2/6/03). The incident was explained away by Fox officials as an unfortunate gaffe (New York Times, 2/10/03), but the Allentown, Pa. Morning Call (1/5/03) had O'Reilly using the same racist term in a speech earlier in the year: "O'Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out 'the wetbacks.'" O'Reilly denied making the comment (Washington Post, 2/17/02), but the reporter stands by his account.

Though he calls his show a "no-spin zone," O'Reilly's response (CNBC, 4/26/03) to the "wetback" incident was a blatant, if feeble, exercise in spin--and an attempt to blame his guest:


We were talking about border patrol and the problems they were having. I'm going, "What's the jargon? What's the jargon? We got coyotes, right? Coyotes and we got wetbacks. Is that what they call them? Is that what they call them?" All right? And the guy goes, "Yeah. The wetbacks are the slang for the people who come over and the coyotes are the slang for the people who get paid to bring them over." That was the context.


A transcript of the show demonstrates O'Reilly's highly imaginative memory. Here's how the interview really went: In support of his proposal to militarize U.S. borders, O'Reilly remarked, "We'd save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes--they're not going to do what they're doing now, all right, so people aren't going to die in the desert." He then offered the "last word" to his guest, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D.-Texas), who did not address O'Reilly's slur at all, but instead tried to explain why he thought using the Army to patrol the borders was a bad idea. (O'Reilly reneged on his promise to give Reyes the last word, interrupting him with a rebuttal.)

The actual "context" of O'Reilly's slur is a history of making derogatory, stereotyping comments about people of color. Just a few examples:

* During an interview for Stuff magazine (11/02), O'Reilly opined that "the most unattractive women in the world are probably in the Muslim countries." O'Reilly later insisted (New York Daily News, 10/10/02), "There was no malice intended. It was just in jest."

* During a segment (2/9/00) about black athletes suing over the minimum academic standards for college admission, O'Reilly commented: "Look, you know as well as I do most of these kids come out and they can't speak English."

* Criticizing Democratic politicians who met with Rev. Al Sharpton, which O'Reilly compared to meeting with white supremacist David Duke: "Why would it be different? Both use race to promote themselves." (3/16/00) O'Reilly also equated the Black Panthers with Duke (1/11/99): "You were promoting your people, black people, and he's promoting white people. So what's the difference?"

* "We have black leaders in this country who blame everything on whitey, everything's the system's fault, and that gives a built-in excuse to fail and act irresponsible. 'Oh, I can't get a job. Whitey won't let me,' or 'I can't get educated. The teachers are bad, so I'm going to go out and get high and sell drugs. That's the only way we can make money here.' You know what I mean? And it's a vicious cycle" (6/8/99).

* "Will African-Americans break away from the pack thinking and reject immorality--because that's the reason the family's breaking apart--alcohol, drugs, infidelity. You have to reject that, and it doesn't seem--and I'm broadly speaking here, but a lot of African-Americans won't reject it" (2/25/99).

* "I've been to Africa three times. All right? You can't bring Western reasoning into the culture. The same way you can't bring it into fundamental Islam" (5/6/02).

After the "wetback" incident, O'Reilly wrote in a newspaper column (South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 3/1/03) that Americans "must realize that racial demonization is now organized and well-funded, and it will not end until everyday people begin condemning it." He wasn't talking about himself, though; he was referring to critics who label him a racist.



See FAIR's Archives for more on:
Murdoch/Bill O'Reilly
Race and Racism

As far as Bill's politics go, he's a hack. I'm a conservative liberatarian on economic issues, and relatively moderate when it comes to social issues. I tend to go with the school of thought that says live and let live. But I appreciate when an apologist comes to the debate and makes poor attempts to deny the obvious.

www.crashonmyhead.com/captain_obvious.jpg

Because I do not want to insult my intelligence. I prefer places like factcheck.org. As far as I can tell, they are about as unbiased as possible.



Aahahahah

this shit never gets old

jesus in the sky

Did you actually listen to the whole clip, or did you make up your mind first?

Like most people chances are they just went to the headline, the small clip, and that was it. As the rest of the clip says, anyone who was offended was looking to be offended. So badly warped out of context it isn't funny. He was trying to fight against the stereotype of Harlem and the restaurants but, as usual, those who want to start a rue will.

A)What is his focus on Iced Tea?Who hasn't had Iced Tea?How is Iced Tea "Soul Food" too?God bless Iced Tea,I love it.

B)O'Rielly should interview Captain Obvious on his show.I'd like to see the Capt.'s strategy on Iraq.

You know, given that supposed "authentic black culture," at least among youth, involves:

Dressing like a hooligan
Using very very poor, almost pidgin, English
Referring to women as "bitches" and "hos"
Heavy use of profanity
Predisposition towards violence
Laziness and an entitlement mentality


it's perfectly reasonable to be surprised when one encounters a large group of black people that behaves in a civilized manner.

Are you Bill O'Rielly?Quick people we may have a celbrity,well more like well know person who no one likes here.

My favorite part is where he called Barack Obama "articulate." It's the same thing the majority white media used to describe Colin Powell. "He's so articluate. He speaks so well."

Here's my only problem, and I am by no means defending O'Reilly...

Obama is articulate, and not 'for a black man' and not even for 'an average man or woman,' even for an educated person the guy is a good speaker. We shouldn't be so afraid of our own shadows that we can't pay someone a complement. Now, I'm not stupid-I know the history of race relations and the subtext often associated with saying a someone in the US' minority is 'articulate.' But what if said person really is, by any standard, unusually articulate? The reason he is where he is right now is his remarkable ability to communicate-he's not a talking chimp, he's an educated person who is articulate by that standard, and we should be able to note that.

Not that I have a solution for that, given the twisted knot that is American race relations...

EDIT: Shot off the hip, sorry if someone said that already...

EDIT: Sure enough... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13084481&postcount=20)...that's what I get for not reading...

Which is my point.

Right or wrong--and BET isn't the only guilty party in this respect, although it's certainly an obvious one--this is the common image of what modern "black culture" is. Whether this is merely a reflection of the actual behaviors of blacks, or blacks simply are conforming to what they're told is "authentic black culture" not only from within media sources but from so-called "black leaders" such as Sharpton and Jackson, this is the popular conception of how one expects blacks to behave. It's certainly reasonable, then, to be genuinely surprised when one has an experience that contradicts this image.

On BET (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/change-bet.html)

Which is my point.

Right or wrong--and BET isn't the only guilty party in this respect, although it's certainly an obvious one--this is the common image of what modern "black culture" is. Whether this is merely a reflection of the actual behaviors of blacks, or blacks simply are conforming to what they're told is "authentic black culture" not only from within media sources but from so-called "black leaders" such as Sharpton and Jackson, this is the popular conception of how one expects blacks to behave. It's certainly reasonable, then, to be genuinely surprised when one has an experience that contradicts this image.
Right or wrong, Japanese media portrays Americans as gross, stupid, clumsy buffoons who carry guns and turn violent at the drop of a hat. Whether or not certain segments of the American population live up to this, it is the popular conception of what Americans are like in Japan. It's certainly reasonable then for the Japanese to be surprised when they have an experience that contradicts this image.

Yeah, that reasoning ALWAYS sounds good till you're the one it focuses on.

Bill O'Reilly is a big blubbering...I dunno...rotten stick of celery.

Like most people chances are they just went to the headline, the small clip, and that was it. As the rest of the clip says, anyone who was offended was looking to be offended. So badly warped out of context it isn't funny. He was trying to fight against the stereotype of Harlem and the restaurants but, as usual, those who want to start a rue will.

Well, it's like this. If I recount a story from my "nana" as Bill did to supposedly show how she was racist and I was not, that'd be the set-up. I mean, you can't just come right out and say "I'm surprised these n#ggers used common decency." You'd be shunned for sure. Instead what you do is you cloak your racism under the guise of speaking for someone else.

Here are some examples of the wink and nod racism used in the "southern strategy." 2000- John MCain's illegitimate black baby." 2006- The infamous white girl/black man ad in Virginia was it? All of these things have plausible deniability when it comes to race. Anyone who is not full of shit and spinning can tell you there were used to remind the "values" voters of the situation. It's the wink and nod strategy. They play on the very real derisiveness that still exists in our country, especially in the deep south. So Bill's "I was shocked" BS is similar to these things. Cloaking his racism in the "those black folks sure know how to dance" type of statement is a left handed compliment that continues a stereotype of black people. How does every white racists black joke start (look to the left, look to the right, good none of "them" are around).

By the way as I stated before. I've seen the video and read the transcripts that were available. Once Fox edits the original transcript (never happened before right?) I will read it from their site. It may be there today and I'll go check. Lastly, plausible deniability is bullshit for people who are to cowardly to say what hey mean and mean what they say. Hell, if you're just an out and out racist I'd respect you more than if you try to hide it.

Right or wrong, Japanese media portrays Americans

The analogy ceases to apply right there.

Why?

Americans generally aren't exposed to Japanese media. Black Americans, however, are exposed to American media a great deal.

Bill O'Reilly is a big blubbering...I dunno...rotten stick of celery.
Now that you remind me.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=bill_oreilly

It's three years old and it is still relevant!

Umm, "we report you decide." If you do not want to take Media Maters at their word then watch the video of what he said. Hell, go to his website and read the trnscript. It's not like anyone is just making shit up. He actually said these things. So try to deal with it if you can do so. Don't dismiss it as some vast liberal conspiracy.

Already listened to the radio and red the transcript of it...I've made a habit of getting my information from sound credible news sources not far left/right sites or broadcasts..unlike some people... thanks tho...:rolleyes:

.....it honestly wasn't that bad and seeing as how even Al Sharpton wasn't offended by it and he of all people jumps up at race issues on a whim so nothing is really going to happen here other than Bill O's competitors smearing him for a week or two one would think they would have something better to actually do but thats being far too optimistic......and I don't even like Bill O..or any other of the other major newscasters...

and the black youth statement someone made is somewhat true...depending on where you go though...if you go to the "hood" then you'll find whites blacks hispanics etc etc that act in an "uncivilized" manner not all but by far a majority will act like "thugs" ..but if you go to a suburb then you'll find whites blacks etc etc that act "civilized"...so it seems it is depends on location and upbringing..although there are some instances of the "exception to the rule" type things

Already listened to the radio and red the transcript of it...I've made a habit of getting my information from sound credible news sources not far left/right sites or broadcasts..unlike some people... thanks tho...:rolleyes:

.....it honestly wasn't that bad and seeing as how even Al Sharpton wasn't offended by it and he of all people jumps up at race issues on a whim so nothing is really going to happen here other than Bill O's competitors smearing him for a week or two one would think they would have something better to actually do but thats being far too optimistic......and I don't even like Bill O..or any other of the other major newscasters...

and the black youth statement someone made is somewhat true...depending on where you go though...if you go to the "hood" then you'll find whites blacks hispanics etc etc that act in an "uncivilized" manner not all but by far a majority will act like "thugs" ..but if you go to a suburb then you'll find whites blacks etc etc that act "civilized"...so it seems it is depends on location and upbringing..although there are some instances of the "exception to the rule" type things

You might have missed the plethera of posts where I said that I used the mediamatters link but listen to the audio and read the transcripts myself. So now you know. Further, it doesn't dismiss the postings where I used a link to describe a pattern of behavior on Billy's part. This is not an isolated incident to be seen in a vaccuum. Also, if Bill was just a flat out racist I would even have more respect for him. It's the wink and nod "I was just jokin" bullshit that makes my blood boil. Especially from someone who claims the "moral higher ground."

You have no idea of what racism is do you? Bill O'Reilly is saying that black Americans cannot and should not be defined by all the steryotype bullshit that occurs in the media through music and television and movies. Blacks in this country have spent the last 142 after emancipation trying to get the scourge of racial steryotyping off their backs, from the most obvious example that is the legendary MLK Jr., to a relatively little known columnist named Cary Clack for the San Antonio Express News. But no one cares about them do they? No one cares to understand this truth, and it's shameful that it takes a white man to explain this to people, and even more so that people are ignorant to take it as racism! His statement was a frank and honest look at the upper class' ignorant view of blacks.

So shut-up and suck it up.

You might have missed the plethera of posts where I said that I used the mediamatters link but listen to the audio and read the transcripts myself. So now you know. Further, it doesn't dismiss the postings where I used a link to describe a pattern of behavior on Billy's part. This is not an isolated incident to be seen in a vaccuum. Also, if Bill was just a flat out racist I would even have more respect for him. It's the wink and nod "I was just jokin" bullshit that makes my blood boil. Especially from someone who claims the "moral higher ground."

Well regardless of if he's racist or not he's not going to ever get fired...why? because he gets higher ratings than all of his competition..and incidents like this only help...

All I can say is WOW. "Athentic Black Culture" is not always seen on BET. You, like Billy O are able to stigmatize and entire race and pigenhole them as to how you percieve them. I have several youthful black friends and not one of them dresses like a thug and uses ghetto phonics.

Most of the people who do that stuff are probably insecure white dudes looking for something to latch on to. Like people did with hair metal.

You have no idea of what racism is do you? Bill O'Reilly is saying that black Americans cannot and should not be defined by all the steryotype bullshit that occurs in the media through music and television and movies. Blacks in this country have spent the last 142 after emancipation trying to get the scourge of racial steryotyping off their backs, from the most obvious example that is the legendary MLK Jr., to a relatively little known columnist named Cary Clack for the San Antonio Express News. But no one cares about them do they? No one cares to understand this truth, and it's shameful that it takes a white man to explain this to people, and even more so that people are ignorant to take it as racism! His statement was a frank and honest look at the upper class' ignorant view of blacks.

So shut-up and suck it up.

No. He is indicating that he adheres to those stereotypes. He said that he himself was surprised that black people, in large numbers, could behave civilly. It would be like saying "I went to a pro-life rally, and I met Republican who wasn't a closeted homosexual. I couldn't believe it."

The statement indicates that you believe that all Republicans are, and were surprised to meet one that wasn't. O'Reilly indicated that he believed that African Americans were, as a group, uncivil and disorderly, and was surprised to learn that groups of them could behave otherwise. In short, he said something horribly racist.

I just watched the Jon Stewart version of this. Excellent.

The analogy ceases to apply right there.

Why?

Americans generally aren't exposed to Japanese media. Black Americans, however, are exposed to American media a great deal.
No, but Japanese are and they do get a lot of exposure to Americans (And vice versa), so the point stands. You look at the comments made by O'Reilly as honest and understandable, I, who have been asked far too many times where my guns are, see it as racist. I have a feeling, should you ever have an experience such as this where you are told, in effect, "Wow! You don't live up to a stereotype!" you'd not be a happy camper either.

You have no idea of what racism is do you? Bill O'Reilly is saying that black Americans cannot and should not be defined by all the steryotype bullshit that occurs in the media through music and television and movies. Blacks in this country have spent the last 142 after emancipation trying to get the scourge of racial steryotyping off their backs, from the most obvious example that is the legendary MLK Jr., to a relatively little known columnist named Cary Clack for the San Antonio Express News. But no one cares about them do they? No one cares to understand this truth, and it's shameful that it takes a white man to explain this to people, and even more so that people are ignorant to take it as racism! His statement was a frank and honest look at the upper class' ignorant view of blacks.

So shut-up and suck it up.

Hello again new puppet. It still amazes me how many posters in the teens or less seem to appear in threads where their ideas is being pounding like Pam Anderson on a yacht. "I was surprised to see..." doesn't sound like defying a stereotype at all. It sounds like someone who adheres to these very stereotypes and is astonished at what he has found.

No. He is indicating that he adheres to those stereotypes. He said that he himself was surprised that black people, in large numbers, could behave civilly. It would be like saying "I went to a pro-life rally, and I met Republican who wasn't a closeted homosexual. I couldn't believe it."

The statement indicates that you believe that all Republicans are, and were surprised to meet one that wasn't. O'Reilly indicated that he believed that African Americans were, as a group, uncivil and disorderly, and was surprised to learn that groups of them could behave otherwise. In short, he said something horribly racist.

You my friend are the one I have been looking for (http://www.crashonmyhead.com/captain_obvious.jpg)

I see that the left's race hysteria has officially reached tinfoil hat level logic and arguments now. Can't say I didn't see it coming though...

I can bet you my car that every single conservative talk show had an hour long segment on this this morning about how people are overreacting and O'Reilly did nothing wrong.

Don't finish that bet without including the "but, but Clinton ...!" part, too. :p

It's okay, they're just learning ... they've only recently been corrected on how to spell words like "rebuttal" ...
They want to be included, you know, like having "United" in their nation title.

Here are the key words that Bill said. "I was surprised to find..." Now that's all that really needs to be said. Why the F should you be surprised that black people can behave in a civil way? Really? Bill O'Reilly just talked over Jesse Jackson in the interview he did with him as well. And he didn't bother to ever answer Jessie's fist question... "Bill, what did you mean to say?"

The funny thing is that O'Reilly talks in his interview with Dennis Miller about "votes can be swayed by defamation." Really, you mean like Swift Boat defamation? It's just amazing of him to say something like this. At least every now and again he can get something right. I have to say that about Bill.

Wow, I didn't know that saying G*d D*an would get my thread title changed. Sheesh is such a funny word.