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So.......who watched the season premier Monday night? If you did not catch it yet, it's now up on the NBC.com website so you can watch it on your computer.

anyone have anything they wanna talk about?


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So, Peter is back, bleh, I was hoping he was dead. Claire is trying to play dumb, and she has a dorky guy following her around, I wanted to kill him all Lost in Space style......you know, because I am a robot and not an alien. "Danger, dorky guy! Danger!". Also, wth with Hiro and the guy? why didn't he just go back in time and un-break what he thought he fixed? Stupid Hiro.

Anyone else?

There are tags Smunk(so you know).


Also:
[spoiler]SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!1!!!1!111!!1!!ONEONEONE

yes, I know, but since the whole freaking thread is supposed to be spoilers I thought that maybe we could just type normal like.

This is why you're the judge and I'm the......law....talking guy.


Ok, I'll stop spamming your thread now.

There are [spoiler] tags Smunk(so you know).
yes, I know, but since the whole freaking thread is supposed to be spoilers I thought that maybe we could just type normal like.

This is why you're the judge and I'm the......law....talking guy.


Ok, I'll stop spamming your thread now.

go watch teh show and contribute....it's online.

I kind of thought Nathan sliding off the deep end was a bit much. He looks horrible with a beard. Doesn't help that it looks fake.

Claire trying to act normal and whining that she's not normal is a bit of a switch. I think the guy interested in her might be a good character, even if he is a bit of a moron. Though I wonder how long they can convince people that he's supposed to be in highschool, he looks mid 20s.

Hiro confuses me, he should just demonstrate his power and threaten Kensei into doing good. Also the Japanese translations irk me, they could at least be accurate.

Overall i liked it a lot,

Nathan is still acting like a wuss which is kinda annoying

Hey what do you think that new latina girl Maya's power is?

Overall i liked it a lot,

Nathan is still acting like a wuss which is kinda annoying

Hey what do you think that new latina girl Maya's power is?

It fairly clearly kills anyone if her brother isn't nearby. Which seems both odd and completely useless. But then it's not like powers have to be useful. Can't all turn cheap flatware into gold.

It fairly clearly kills anyone if her brother isn't nearby. Which seems both odd and completely useless. But then it's not like powers have to be useful. Can't all turn cheap flatware into gold.

Not necessarily, i think she lost control of it because she was under the stress of being around no one she knows, her brother left for dead.

It kills them but they're all bleeding through the eye so what's up with that?

being hawt and helpless? wth? she needs her brother to protect her?

maybe he's like the Haitian from last season?

Overall i liked it a lot,

Nathan is still acting like a wuss which is kinda annoying

Hey what do you think that new latina girl Maya's power is?

being hawt and helpless? wth? she needs her brother to protect her?

maybe he's like the Haitian from last season?

hmm........

also, Nathan pissed me off, I totally forgot, I totally wanted him to be asploded by Peter.

hmm........

also, Nathan pissed me off, I totally forgot, I totally wanted him to be asploded by Peter.

Yeah i though the two of them got blown up

i'm happy they didn't kill off Peter, but then i'm like wtf is he doing over in a cargo container in Ireland without his memory

Yeah i though the two of them got blown up

i'm happy they didn't kill off Peter, but then i'm like wtf is he doing over in a cargo container in Ireland without his memory

hopefully getting killed. Peter is not one of my favorite characters.

poor Hiro though, he has caught my ire after Monday's episode....just go back in time and fix it, damn it.

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.

So is Peter actually alive? My friend thinks that when Nathan took him into space or where ever to explode, Nathan was killed. But Peter has the power not to die, so he is still alive. He also has the power to shape shift and so he is pretending to be Nathan. However when "Peter" was looking in the mirror and saw Nathan, you could still see regular Peter in the foreground, looking at Nathan in the mirror. Maybe it has something to do with that Jessica chick's powers.

I was even more confused in the end because that guy in the crate looked like Peter.

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.

So is Nathan actually alive? My friend thinks that when Peter took him into space or where ever to explode, Peter was killed. But Nathan has the power not to die, so he is still alive. He also has the power to shape shift and so he is pretending to be Peter. However when "Nathan" was looking in the mirror and saw Peter, you could still see regular Nathan in the foreground, looking at Peter in the mirror. Maybe it has something to do with that Jessica chick's powers.

I was even more confused in the end because that guy in the crate looked like Nathan.
you are smart, welcome to my Heroes spoiler thread! I think I will keep you around. You have given me many things to think about.

I kind of thought Nathan sliding off the deep end was a bit much. He looks horrible with a beard. Doesn't help that it looks fake.

Ehh, I suppose. I'm glad he's finally realizing what a horrid evil bitch his mother is, though. Bout fucking time.

Claire trying to act normal and whining that she's not normal is a bit of a switch. I think the guy interested in her might be a good character, even if he is a bit of a moron. Though I wonder how long they can convince people that he's supposed to be in highschool, he looks mid 20s.

He can fly. I dunno what they're gonna do with two flying characters.

Hiro confuses me, he should just demonstrate his power and threaten Kensei into doing good. Also the Japanese translations irk me, they could at least be accurate.

Kensei was never the hero - Hiro learned the heroics of what he does himself when he goes back in time. He is Kensei. Least, that's what I think.

Yeah i though the two of them got blown up

The radiation guy isn't affected by his own radiation explosions, so it makes sense Peter wouldn't be, either. I'm assuming Nathan flew really high, really fast, and flung him upwards in time to zoom back out of the way of the blast.

i'm happy they didn't kill off Peter, but then i'm like wtf is he doing over in a cargo container in Ireland without his memory

Yeah there's five months of random shit they need to fill us in on - where'd everyone go, what happened afterward, why is the little girl being such a bitch about this evil guy, that kinda thing.


None of the heroes have really fully realized their own powers extent, yet, I think. Hiro could become a master of pretty much everything - all martial arts, all technological cyber-enhancements from the future, any kind of magic that might exist - he could travel through time searching for it and master that - not to mention he could go to the future and get some sort of energy katana and badass armor, make himself a fucking war machine that can teleport and travel through time. Hiro could become invincible. He could do all that within a second's time.

Then again, Peter could copy and control Hiro's power and do the same, and more - he could go through time and space, copying every power in the world and mastering it before moving onto the next, like a holy version of Sylar. He'd be invincible plus chock-full of power.

Also Hiro could keep his father from dying. He might, because his dad said he had something to give him, which may be an important plot device.

Claire essentially has all the powers of Wolverine, minus the adamantium treatment. If she were to go into the future with Hiro or Peter, maybe there'd be something like that there and she could kick some serious ass afterward.

I'm thinking mebbe Nathan could fly in a rotation, causing a tornado or changing the weather somehow. If he tried it, I'm sure he could expand his powers list considerably.

Aly Larter's character is insanely powerful - compared to the others, though, it's a fairly weak power. There's not much she can expand on with it. However, if Peter were to absorb such a power and combine it with his others, it would be a very nice boost to his abilities.

Her husband can become dissollute and walk through things or make things pass through his body - for him, a limited power, but again, it'd be a good combo for Peter.

Who else is there... that little girl - she needs to stop being stupid and let the word out about this evil guy before it bites everyone in the ass and she's like "Amagaad he's here!" and they get all pissed off at her for not warning them.

The cop's mind-reading ability is nice; if done right, he could know where an attacker is planning on attacking, how, and dodge and react accordingly. Another very nice power for Peter.

Eh, what else? I forget... there's Claire's mom, who's a pyrokinetic, which is a powerful thing to master in itself, and would be worth it for Peter to find her and absorb it.


Lemme know if I've forgotten anyone.

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.

So is Nathan actually alive? My friend thinks that when Peter took him into space or where ever to explode, Peter was killed. But Nathan has the power not to die, so he is still alive. He also has the power to shape shift and so he is pretending to be Peter. However when "Nathan" was looking in the mirror and saw Peter, you could still see regular Nathan in the foreground, looking at Peter in the mirror. Maybe it has something to do with that Jessica chick's powers.

I was even more confused in the end because that guy in the crate looked like Nathan.

DAMN your Hiro observations coming before mine!

Also, methinks you're confusing Peter with Nathan. Nathan's the flyer, Peter's the power absorber.

None of the heroes have really fully realized their own powers extent, yet, I think. Hiro could become a master of pretty much everything - all martial arts, all technological cyber-enhancements from the future, any kind of magic that might exist - he could travel through time searching for it and master that - not to mention he could go to the future and get some sort of energy katana and badass armor, make himself a fucking war machine that can teleport and travel through time. Hiro could become invincible. He could do all that within a second's time.

Then again, Peter could copy and control Hiro's power and do the same, and more - he could go through time and space, copying every power in the world and mastering it before moving onto the next, like a holy version of Sylar. He'd be invincible plus chock-full of power.

There's a reason time traveling super heroes are rare. They're gods. No better way to put it. Once you can manipulate time itself, you're a god.

There's a reason time traveling super heroes are rare. They're gods. No better way to put it. Once you can manipulate time itself, you're a god.

Well, they are if they're not idiots that don't actually use their powers.

Also, Hiro's not just a time-traveling god, he's a teleporting god. He's got double-godliness going on.

DAMN your Hiro observations coming before mine!

Also, methinks you're confusing Peter with Nathan. Nathan's the flyer, Peter's the power absorber.

My bad.

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.

So is Nathan actually alive? My friend thinks that when Peter took him into space or where ever to explode, Peter was killed. But Nathan has the power not to die, so he is still alive. He also has the power to shape shift and so he is pretending to be Peter. However when "Nathan" was looking in the mirror and saw Peter, you could still see regular Nathan in the foreground, looking at Peter in the mirror. Maybe it has something to do with that Jessica chick's powers.

I was even more confused in the end because that guy in the crate looked like Nathan.

who what where? you're mixing your names up. Peter is the guy who exploded, the guy with all the powers, including regeneration and nuclear power (however it never showed that he has shape shifting powers).

Nathan is the brother who can fly and took Peter into the air. Nathan took peter up, you're mixing your names up.

Well, they are if they're not idiots that don't actually use their powers.

Also, Hiro's not just a time-traveling god, he's a teleporting god. He's got double-godliness going on.

He could very easily spend a few centuries learning to master his power. At this point who knows how or if he ages.

I knew what you meant.

What, I don't get an intellectual pat on the back, Smunk?

He could very easily spend a few centuries learning to master his power. At this point who knows how or if he ages.

If he does I'm sure he could travel to a point in time where the technology is sufficient enough for them to have designed a vaccine or implant that prevents aging entirely.

My bad.

I knew what you meant.

the problem I have with heroes is this.

STOP USING OVERUSED CONCEPTS!

The uber powerful hero loses his memory. What a shock.

What's this, a virus that specifically targets mutants but oh no what will happen when it mutates and targets humans? yeah, great plot line. was even better the first time in the X-Men when they called it the Legacy Virus

What, I don't get an intellectual pat on the back, Smunk?

depends.....you got anything thinky to say to me?:D

the problem I have with heroes is this.

STOP USING OVERUSED CONCEPTS!

The uber powerful hero loses his memory. What a shock.

What's this, a virus that specifically targets mutants but oh no what will happen when it mutates and targets humans? yeah, great plot line. was even better the first time in the X-Men when they called it the Legacy Virus

Heroes is very much the thing I don't want to watch because of crap like this, but I can't stop. It's like an addiction.

Heroes is very much the thing I don't want to watch because of crap like this, but I can't stop. It's like an addiction.

as I said to a friend once, Heroes has a ton of potential it's not living up to. They can go in so many ways with it, create so many new story lines and really just let the series go in incredible ways.

Instead, they rely too much on silly premises, overused concepts, and other people's ideas. It is a shame that they are living up only to a fraction of their potential.

However it's still a show about super powered mutants and a fucking crazy dude who eats people's brains.

And that's good enough.

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.



the english kensei is cute as a button but his character makes no sense.
some refugee from an english ship is just not going to end up as samurai. there is too much to learn in too short a time. and he cant wear the armor 24/7 so japanese people have to accept him as samurai. not quite believable.

im looking forward to hiro ending up doing all the heroic things credited to kensei. i hope they play it all the way through. then it really will be his sword.

the problem I have with heroes is this.

STOP USING OVERUSED CONCEPTS!

The uber powerful hero loses his memory. What a shock.

What's this, a virus that specifically targets mutants but oh no what will happen when it mutates and targets humans? yeah, great plot line. was even better the first time in the X-Men when they called it the Legacy Virus

Yeah, it's very X-Mennish. Like X-Men: Origins, before everyone knew about them.

depends.....you got anything thinky to say to me?:D

I can blow your mind! --


Szanth in the house!


Thinky enough for ya? =)

Yeah, it's very X-Mennish.

no, it's not "x-mennish". They did this EXACT SAME PLOTLINE in the x-men.

no, it's not "x-mennish". They did this EXACT SAME PLOTLINE in the x-men.

Right, but it's like the prequel series. X-Men never really explained the beginning of it all, as far as I know. Heroes is doing that, much like I-Robot semi-explains the beginnings of The Matrix.

Szanth is very thinky, puppet gets cookies.

Unfortunately, not a puppet. Szanth was banned for inactivity or something.

I can blow your mind! --


Szanth in the house!


Thinky enough for ya? =)

Szanth is very thinky, puppet gets cookies.

Unfortunately, not a puppet. Szanth was banned for inactivity or something.
you know you can get Szanth back right? you have to file a getting help request....I don't have the link now, but it is findable.

Who was it who attacked Hiro's father, or do we not know yet?

Who was it who attacked Hiro's father, or do we not know yet?

Dunno. Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Ando kept yelling "Kaito" and they kept translating it as "Sir"?

Dunno. Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Ando kept yelling "Kaito" and they kept translating it as "Sir"?

my husband said something about that, but I wasn't listening.

hopefully getting killed. Peter is not one of my favorite characters.

poor Hiro though, he has caught my ire after Monday's episode....just go back in time and fix it, damn it.he can't. He tried it with the truck stop waitress and perhaps he caught a glimps of the furtility of it all when he met future Hiro.

the problem I have with heroes is this.

STOP USING OVERUSED CONCEPTS!

The uber powerful hero loses his memory. What a shock.

What's this, a virus that specifically targets mutants but oh no what will happen when it mutates and targets humans? yeah, great plot line. was even better the first time in the X-Men when they called it the Legacy Virus Please name as many television shows that used this concept? remember, NOT EVERYONE reads comics.

no, it's not "x-mennish". They did this EXACT SAME PLOTLINE in the x-men. and used once makes it overused?

Dunno. Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Ando kept yelling "Kaito" and they kept translating it as "Sir"?
which is a mistake in and of itself. I doubt Ando would call Hiro's father by his name.

I suggest you watch the movie "Children of a Lesser God" with someone who understands ASL. the difference between what they are signing and what the subtitle says are literally TWO different conversations.

hopefully getting killed. Peter is not one of my favorite characters.

poor Hiro though, he has caught my ire after Monday's episode....just go back in time and fix it, damn it.

you don't like peter? :eek:

My friend and I agree that Hiro is Kensei. Seems pretty obvious.

Yeah i really think this where this story is gonna go

On another forum, there is a theory that Mohinder is exaggerating the dangers of the virus in order to join the Company, so he and Bennet can take them down.

remember, NOT EVERYONE reads comics.

QFT. I don't read comics, for one. Perhaps more importantly, until recently, neither did Tim Kring, who outlined the first five seasons before the first episode was shot. I seriously doubt he got this idea from X-men. Well, maybe his writing staff did, but I doubt they intend to clone it. I don't know much about the Legacy Virus - wait a moment...

*checks Wikipedia - I use it to get the basic facts NOW*

Ah. So the Legacy Virus was effectively a bioweapon. Given the nature of the show, I imagine that they will create a completely different origin, probably connected to the emergence of powers. The possibility of the virus mutating could easily have been taken from scientists' fears that bird flu will mutate and infect humans.

which is a mistake in and of itself. I doubt Ando would call Hiro's father by his name.

I suggest you watch the movie "Children of a Lesser God" with someone who understands ASL. the difference between what they are signing and what the subtitle says are literally TWO different conversations.

Well I'm willing to forgive his breach of proper etiquette since he saw a guy get knocked off a building. Honestly if you're going to have Japanese characters they could atleast reflect proper Japanese culture. I'm also annoyed the subtitles americanized their names. Like US audiences would be too stupid to realize how their naming system works.

I think sylar may be pretending to be peter or nathan. Nathan's ability to survive the blast is questionable, and the guy who bumped into Hiro's father looked similar to Nathan, which would be just way to coincidently.

Hiro may be Kensai, but that seems far to obvious.

The boy that can fly, I think he may have powers of levitation and not flight. I don't remember Nathan ever really levitating he always was moving.

As for Maya maybe she has some ability that allows her to make brains explode. seeing as I don't know why else they would all be dead and their eyes bleeding.

I think sylar may be pretending to be peter or nathan. Nathan's ability to survive the blast is questionable, and the guy who bumped into Hiro's father looked similar to Nathan, which would be just way to coincidently.

Hiro may be Kensai, but that seems far to obvious.

The boy that can fly, I think he may have powers of levitation and not flight. I don't remember Nathan ever really levitating he always was moving.

As for Maya maybe she has some ability that allows her to make brains explode. seeing as I don't know why else they would all be dead and their eyes bleeding.

I'm pretty sure Nikki beat Candice (the illusion chick) to death. If so Sylar can't have her power.

I'm pretty sure Nikki beat Candice (the illusion chick) to death. If so Sylar can't have her power.

yet if we can have two flyers, why not two illusion/shapeshifters.

Well I'm willing to forgive his breach of proper etiquette since he saw a guy get knocked off a building. Honestly if you're going to have Japanese characters they could atleast reflect proper Japanese culture. I'm also annoyed the subtitles americanized their names. Like US audiences would be too stupid to realize how their naming system works.

some may not know. *shrugs*

I like the show even though its story line could have gone a lot of different ways. My biggest problem though is that the show seems to introduce too many characters who end up being bit players even though they could very well be main characters. I mean they easily could have had ted sprague be the main bad guy for season one with him being the bomb. A tragic villain a bit more sympathetic than sylar would have been better to use than Peter being the bomb. Though still the show has plenty of potential so I expect the new season to be interesting.

As for Maya maybe she has some ability that allows her to make brains explode. seeing as I don't know why else they would all be dead and their eyes bleeding.
Controlling blood pressure?
controlling blood?
if there is a 'plague'. she might be the cure. :p

Controlling blood pressure?
controlling blood?
if there is a 'plague'. she might be the cure. :p

I'm pretty sure her power is some sort of poison. They mention in the graphic novel about her that the people who died seem to have been done in by at the very least something like a poison.

I'm pretty sure Nikki beat Candice (the illusion chick) to death. If so Sylar can't have her power.

I don't think Candice is dead, because when they showed her lying on the ground after her fight with Nikki, she was still assuming the form of hot!Candice, which isn't what she really looks like. If she were dead, my belief is that her mind wouldn't be able to project the illusion anymore and she would start looking like her ugly!Betty self again.

The reason I think she'd still be able to project that illusion while unconscious is that this particular illusion is one she uses 24/7, as far as we can guess, and has been for a long time now. It may well have become as subconscious a job for her mind as controlling breathing, which is why it wouldn't fade away while she was simply knocked out.

I don't think Candice is dead, because when they showed her lying on the ground after her fight with Nikki, she was still assuming the form of hot!Candice, which isn't what she really looks like. If she were dead, my belief is that her mind wouldn't be able to project the illusion anymore and she would start looking like her ugly!Betty self again.

The reason I think she'd still be able to project that illusion while unconscious is that this particular illusion is one she uses 24/7, as far as we can guess, and has been for a long time now. It may well have become as subconscious a job for her mind as controlling breathing, which is why it wouldn't fade away while she was simply knocked out.

Have they ever mentioned what she looks like?

Have they ever mentioned what she looks like?

Yep, there's a graphic novel on it. fat goth chick, I kid you not

I suggest you watch the movie "Children of a Lesser God" with someone who understands ASL. the difference between what they are signing and what the subtitle says are literally TWO different conversations.

my kid signs for church hymns on Sundays when the usual translator is out, she doesn't even sign what they are singing...she learned the songs from someone else and sometimes signs for some things are "prettier" so they use that instead (like sun for morning....or the other way around I can't remember).....anyway, she skips like whole phrases......but apparently that's acceptable. :confused:

Have they ever mentioned what she looks like?

IIRC, they hinted that she wasn't really hawt. :(

[...]Also, Hiro's not just a time-traveling god, he's a teleporting god. He's got double-godliness going on.

Best way to describe Hiro's power is that he can re-position himself anywhere in time and space, including removing himself from the "flow" of time. That's really just one power that comes of looking like two. But in terms of potency, it's definitely one of the best ones, but also one of the hardest to fully exploit (on account of the paradox problem). Sure you could forego fighting your mortal enemy by going back in time and preventing their conception. But then they would never have existed to pose the threat that compelled you to go back and prevent their conception, so your newly created, nemesis-free timeline collapses and you (if you're lucky) default back to your original timeline. If you're unlucky, you go down with the new timeline and as far as your friends who saw you "go back in time" are concerned, it was a one-way trip and you're never seen again.

But anyway... yeah, Hiro's power is time-space translocation.

Well I'm willing to forgive his breach of proper etiquette since he saw a guy get knocked off a building. Honestly if you're going to have Japanese characters they could atleast reflect proper Japanese culture. I'm also annoyed the subtitles americanized their names. Like US audiences would be too stupid to realize how their naming system works.

At risk of stereotyping, Americans aren't really renowned for knowing-- or being in any great hurry to learn-- the languages or customs of other nations in the world. Between a rep for asking for ketchup in French resturaunts, griping about Spanish speakers (with whome the US shares a border), and a distressing number not even being able to find their own country on a world map, Americans aren't widely considered to be the most worldly bunch. Which isn't me explicitly casting a judgement, just citing statistics/anecdotal trends.

Who was it who attacked Hiro's father, or do we not know yet?

Wasn't that Eminem?

I think sylar may be pretending to be peter or nathan. Nathan's ability to survive the blast is questionable, and the guy who bumped into Hiro's father looked similar to Nathan, which would be just way to coincidently.

That WAS Nathan who bumped into Hiro's father. Same actor. That was deliberate. As was having Ando & Hiro's Dad in front of the red art sculpture thingy. They were letting us know this was at Kirby Plaza. Because the show goes all over the map they do what they can to help us keep our bearings.


Hiro may be Kensai, but that seems far to obvious.

I'm disappointed in the predictability of the Hiro storyline thus far. Seems like they ended the series with the cool idea of throwing Hiro into the distant past, and when they came back from break no one had figured out what to do with that. So at the last minute they threw together this tired temporal plot template. Essentially this is the entire plot of Back to the Future.

Hiro accidently put his own existence in jeopardy. Without his hero Kensai to look up to, both he and his father will have been remarkably different people. So Hiro must undo the damage that he's done by making sure his mom and dad kiss at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance.... No wait, that was the BTTF movie. Hiro has to make sure Kensai marries the sword princess chick and becomes a hero, otherwise we'll have one of those paradox things that destroys life as we know it. Personally, if I were Robert Zemeckis, I'd sue.


The boy that can fly, I think he may have powers of levitation and not flight. I don't remember Nathan ever really levitating he always was moving.

Tim Kring made a point in the online commentary for this episode that they tried to show a difference between how Nathan uses flight and how West uses it. Nathan's more of a unidirectional kinda guy. Knows where he wants to go and doesn't dawdle. West is more of a Peter Pan dancing-with-architecture kinda person. So for West it's more about wind currents than wind speed.

But you gotta wonder. The one power they've chosen to duplicate (outside the obvious Sylar & Peter dupes of course) first is flight. Claire's biological father, and the kid now trying to make grades in biology with Claire. They both share the same power. Hmmm... Freudian muchly?


As for Maya maybe she has some ability that allows her to make brains explode. seeing as I don't know why else they would all be dead and their eyes bleeding.

Could be the power to make brains explode. Could also be the power to make the Ebola virus outta nuthin, or the power to make water flow in the opposite direction, or the power to increase heart rates in people, or maybe she screams so loud it destroys eardrums and causes people's insides to turn into mush. We don't know.

Personally I'm rooting for the sonic scream, cuz I always had a thing for Black Canary. Green Arrow was no good for her.

What if the power isn't the presence of Maja, but the absence of her brother? Maybe the two of them together prevents whatever this is from happening. Maybe when they're apart this thing transpires whether Maja likes it or not. She claims to have no control of it. Could be cuz she literally has no control over it. And it might not be a 'power' either. The writers could be playing with us. Maybe it's aliens, or poltergeists, or a leprechan with a very sick sense of humor.

Maybe I watch this show too much. Isn't this nationstates? LOL!

By the end of season 1 we know that 1) There's some person "scarier" than Sylar, according to Molly 2) Sylar is not dead and *is* coming back (as said from the actor portraying him), so if the "scarier guy" is not Sylar then I wonder what part Sylar will play in S2; I have a strong feeling that we won't have 2 villians, and it would be kick ass to have him as a "hero".

And as a random note; I managed to watch all of S1 Heroes and first episode of S2 between posting in that last superpower thread and now. Hooked.

my kid signs for church hymns on Sundays when the usual translator is out, she doesn't even sign what they are singing...she learned the songs from someone else and sometimes signs for some things are "prettier" so they use that instead (like sun for morning....or the other way around I can't remember).....anyway, she skips like whole phrases......but apparently that's acceptable. :confused:
Actually, one of the "behind the scene" things said that the script called for one conversation (which was subtitled and kept to the storyline) but their actual signing was something like Matlin's date the weekend before.

Yep, there's a graphic novel on it. fat goth chick, I kid you not She also alluded to it in the first season. Hinting that she was overweight and gave her viewpoint on life.

I'm pretty sure her power is some sort of poison. They mention in the graphic novel about her that the people who died seem to have been done in by at the very least something like a poison. which would still account for changing of chemicals in the blood.

you know you can get Szanth back right? you have to file a getting help request....I don't have the link now, but it is findable.

I'll look into it. I miss my huge peni-- I mean, post count.

Who was it who attacked Hiro's father, or do we not know yet?

I just assumed it was Peter. Even if he was chained up, I don't know WHEN that scene occurred, and it certainly seems like, since the sign of death was the necklace Peter was wearing, that he would be the one.

Well I'm willing to forgive his breach of proper etiquette since he saw a guy get knocked off a building. Honestly if you're going to have Japanese characters they could atleast reflect proper Japanese culture. I'm also annoyed the subtitles americanized their names. Like US audiences would be too stupid to realize how their naming system works.

They are.

I think sylar may be pretending to be peter or nathan. Nathan's ability to survive the blast is questionable, and the guy who bumped into Hiro's father looked similar to Nathan, which would be just way to coincidently.

Nah. While I accept that Sylar may not be dead, according to the actor, it seems like he wouldn't be out-and-about like some of these theories would have him be. He was killed - maybe the new evil has the ability to bring the dead back to life, but he was definitely dead.

Hiro may be Kensai, but that seems far to obvious.

Obvious, but satisfying. I love Hiro.

The boy that can fly, I think he may have powers of levitation and not flight. I don't remember Nathan ever really levitating he always was moving.

Eh yeah I'll accept that. Or maybe he has actual wind powers, and can control the currents around him or something. I dunno.

As for Maya maybe she has some ability that allows her to make brains explode. seeing as I don't know why else they would all be dead and their eyes bleeding.

Meh. I'm not into the Maya storyline yet. Maybe when they give more information about it I'll care.

I like the show even though its story line could have gone a lot of different ways. My biggest problem though is that the show seems to introduce too many characters who end up being bit players even though they could very well be main characters. I mean they easily could have had ted sprague be the main bad guy for season one with him being the bomb. A tragic villain a bit more sympathetic than sylar would have been better to use than Peter being the bomb. Though still the show has plenty of potential so I expect the new season to be interesting.

As far as I can tell, the show expects to run for quite a few seasons, so I'm willing to give them some leverage on taking their time in laying out the full plot and characters to us.

I don't think Candice is dead, because when they showed her lying on the ground after her fight with Nikki, she was still assuming the form of hot!Candice, which isn't what she really looks like. If she were dead, my belief is that her mind wouldn't be able to project the illusion anymore and she would start looking like her ugly!Betty self again.

Yeah I suppose. Or she wasn't ever attacked at all - she could've been in the other side of the room just making it SEEM like she was being attacked; Nikki wouldn't have seen through the illusion.

The reason I think she'd still be able to project that illusion while unconscious is that this particular illusion is one she uses 24/7, as far as we can guess, and has been for a long time now. It may well have become as subconscious a job for her mind as controlling breathing, which is why it wouldn't fade away while she was simply knocked out.

Also plausible, but Nikki has the strength of a hundred bodybuilders on steroids - one punch from her and you're gone, especially if she reaaaally meant it.

my kid signs for church hymns on Sundays when the usual translator is out, she doesn't even sign what they are singing...she learned the songs from someone else and sometimes signs for some things are "prettier" so they use that instead (like sun for morning....or the other way around I can't remember).....anyway, she skips like whole phrases......but apparently that's acceptable. :confused:

The Japanese language is very odd. Its terms are often very vague and are often used in context rather than strict definition.

Best way to describe Hiro's power is that he can re-position himself anywhere in time and space, including removing himself from the "flow" of time. That's really just one power that comes of looking like two. But in terms of potency, it's definitely one of the best ones, but also one of the hardest to fully exploit (on account of the paradox problem). Sure you could forego fighting your mortal enemy by going back in time and preventing their conception. But then they would never have existed to pose the threat that compelled you to go back and prevent their conception, so your newly created, nemesis-free timeline collapses and you (if you're lucky) default back to your original timeline. If you're unlucky, you go down with the new timeline and as far as your friends who saw you "go back in time" are concerned, it was a one-way trip and you're never seen again.

Meh. I see him as being proofed against paradox - anything he would've done, he's already done, so he might as well do it.

But anyway... yeah, Hiro's power is time-space translocation.

Mhm. He's a god.

By the end of season 1 we know that 1) There's some person "scarier" than Sylar, according to Molly 2) Sylar is not dead and *is* coming back (as said from the actor portraying him), so if the "scarier guy" is not Sylar then I wonder what part Sylar will play in S2; I have a strong feeling that we won't have 2 villians, and it would be kick ass to have him as a "hero".

Ehhhh... 1) Yeah, but they're not doing a good job in developing that fast enough for me to really care, 2) Sylar could've fused with whatever monster thing was truly evil and that could be how he's not technically "dead", because his body was definitely dead, but maybe the monster fused with him and took him into itself, effectively having a Pseudo-Sylar that "lives". I can kind of see him becoming a hero, but he's way insane - I don't see how anyone could get along with him or work together with him at all, especially not Hiro. Also, I'm not sure I could get behind a "Vegeta"-type character plot for him, with Peter as his "Goku".

And as a random note; I managed to watch all of S1 Heroes and first episode of S2 between posting in that last superpower thread and now. Hooked.

Welcome to the fold, my brother.

God damnit, bump. >_> C'mon Smunk, let's keep this thing alive!

I knew that guy in the crate at the end of episode one was Peter. My friend thought he looked like someone else but. Anyway, the episode was pretty clear-cut compared to episode one.

He was killed - maybe the new evil has the ability to bring the dead back to life, but he was definitely dead.
I don't think he was dead, because after everything calmed down I never saw his body again.

Also, on the "next time on Heroes" thing they showed him...

So, last night's episode.........yikes with the toe!

I don't think he was dead, because after everything calmed down I never saw his body again.

Also, on the "next time on Heroes" thing they showed him...

So, last night's episode.........yikes with the toe!

His body was dragged into the sewers by what I can only assume was that evil thing.

And I didn't see last night's episode, because I don't have Tivo anymore. Is there an online episode viewer thing somewhere? I don't wanna have to torrent it, but I suppose I will if I have to.

His body was dragged into the sewers by what I can only assume was that evil thing.

And I didn't see last night's episode, because I don't have Tivo anymore. Is there an online episode viewer thing somewhere? I don't wanna have to torrent it, but I suppose I will if I have to.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes.shtml

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes.shtml

Emailed it to myself so I can watch when I get home from work. =)

So, last night's episode.........yikes with the toe!

I wonder what will happen to the severed toe. Will it grow into a new Claire? Presumably not, which means her powers aren't completely limitless. Where is her locus of "self"? If she was cut in half, which half would die and which would grow back fully?

Maybe I'm thinking about this too much.

I wonder what will happen to the severed toe. Will it grow into a new Claire? Presumably not, which means her powers aren't completely limitless. Where is her locus of "self"? If she was cut in half, which half would die and which would grow back fully?

Maybe I'm thinking about this too much.

A lizard's tail won't grow a new lizard. :p

as for which half? probably none. she 'died' when her brain function ceased due to the branch being shoved into her skull.

being torn/cut in half would probably be past her limit to regenerate.

but if the gift is genetic... then the genetic healing properties would be in her toe... and possibly can be used to create vaccines and such.

So, Peter is back, bleh, I was hoping he was dead. Claire is trying to play dumb, and she has a dorky guy following her around, I wanted to kill him all Lost in Space style......you know, because I am a robot and not an alien. "Danger, dorky guy! Danger!". Also, wth with Hiro and the guy? why didn't he just go back in time and un-break what he thought he fixed? Stupid Hiro.

Anyone else?

Peter: He's pretty much the hero. That's why the villain (Syler) was his shadow. Peter does what others do by learning from them. Syler does it by destroying them.

Hiro's powers aren't very precise when it comes to time travel and are tied to his mood. He was freaking out since he landed in Japan (and probably only landed there because he was afraid he was in mortal terror. However, it is the nature of sci-fi time travel that things work out the way he remembers then because he was there to make them happen. If it wasn't for the fact that Kensei was a white Brit I would have thought that Hiro would have ended up being Kensei, and 400 years later grow up idolizing himself.

A lizard's tail won't grow a new lizard. :p

as for which half? probably none. she 'died' when her brain function ceased due to the branch being shoved into her skull.

being torn/cut in half would probably be past her limit to regenerate.

but if the gift is genetic... then the genetic healing properties would be in her toe... and possibly can be used to create vaccines and such.

Not necessarily. It's been made pretty clear that the only thing that gets her really dead is getting punctured in that spot on the back of the head. However, she's unusually brittle for someone so indestructible. Seriously, who gets their skull punctured by a rotten stick? Skulls are hard. Laceration sure. Concussion, maybe. Stabbed through the skull? No way.

If her head were chopped off, it would probably regenerate into a new Claire with the body just rotting. Probably her head getting severed and split in two would do the trick.

Not necessarily. It's been made pretty clear that the only thing that gets her really dead is getting punctured in that spot on the back of the head. However, she's unusually brittle for someone so indestructible. Seriously, who gets their skull punctured by a rotten stick?
Skulls are hard. Laceration sure. Concussion, maybe. Stabbed through the skull? No way. she was pushed down and landed hard on the branch. the angle suggested that it went up beneath the skull, through the base of the spine.

If her head were chopped off, it would probably regenerate into a new Claire with the body just rotting. Probably her head getting severed and split in two would do the trick. without the heart to pump blood into that new section and thus keeping those regenrating cells alive, I highly doubt her head would grow a new body.

without the heart to pump blood into that new section and thus keeping those regenrating cells alive, I highly doubt her head would grow a new body.

Now, now, stop bringing science into this. :)

When she "died" with the tree branch through her head, she was out for (presumably) a while. Her heart would have stopped by then; her remaining brain cells should all have died from hypoxia. But clearly, they didn't, and even managed to regenerate the old ones.

Now, now, stop bringing science into this. :)

When she "died" with the tree branch through her head, she was out for (presumably) a while. Her heart would have stopped by then; her remaining brain cells should all have died from hypoxia. But clearly, they didn't, and even managed to regenerate the old ones.

ah, but with the branch in her head, she wasn't cut into peices. only cut open.

thus when the branch was removed, the heart, which was still intact and attached, started beating again. providing the oxygen enriched blood to her system.

which is far different than having a body 'grow' from her severed head.

ah, but with the branch in her head, she wasn't cut into peices. only cut open.

thus when the branch was removed, the heart, which was still intact and attached, started beating again. providing the oxygen enriched blood to her system.

which is far different than having a body 'grow' from her severed head.

Yes, I do understand that there's a difference. My point is that in this scenario, both her brain cells and her heart muscle would have long since died from oxygen deprivation. Miraculous regeneration is all very well, but in nearly all other situations, Claire has had some tissue left alive to regenerate itself.