NationStates Jolt Archive

(First, before I begin, I need to point out that I have actually been here since more or less August of 2004 when I first signed up with the name of PIcaRDMPCia. I left for a period of about nine months after I let PIcaRDMPCia die at some point in 2005 and came back with my current name.)

Time and again lately I've been seeing threads or posts on this forum, much like this one by Zilam:

I would honestly stay away from this place. I am only going to try and stay until I hit 10,000 posts. It has changed for the worse. It seems that there is a lack of intelligent discussion anymore.

Variations upon this include threads from old-timers--2003 or earlier--complaining about how everything has changed, or people wondering why all intellectual discussion has disappeared, or why people just stay fixated on certain little things like definitions or sources and then ignore their opponent's arguments.

This is a fallacy.

Fact is, this is how NSG has ALWAYS BEEN. There might've been a little less of it early on before it really got started, but by the Jolt move things got settled in to a regular rhythm of certain types of threads, posters, posting methods, arguments, ect ect.

It just takes a while for people to realize it. They come onto the site and see such wonderful political discussion and eagerly begin to take part. They see some of the expert arguments from people like Jocabia or The Cat Tribes and think that's standard of everyone's posts.

Then, after a while--this can take anywhere from six months to a year--they begin to realize the realities of the situation. NSG is just like any other place with political discussion...it's a little more tolerant and lenient, and a bit more educated discussion takes place, but apart from that everyone is still human and everyone will still act the same way. You'll still have people ignoring arguments or misinterpreting them with strawmen or red herrings or what have you...you still have mods who crack down on spam, flaming, and the like...while the people involved might change and discussions change along with them, the same general state remains.

I'm just tired of seeing people act as if things have changed when all that's happening is that they're realizing how NSG really is. What irritates me more is when decent posters like Zilam then declare they're going to leave because they suddenly "don't like it anymore" or what have you, which is rather stupid.

It's the same place it's always been. It's not going to change in any significant way. Accept it for what it is rather than pining away for what you thought it was. NSG is the way it is. It's a nice place...probably one of the best places to discuss politics with truly informed opinions. It's a good place, and a fun place.

So, accept it for what it is, and stop invoking the "Good Old Days" fallacy, okay?

but.....things have changed. I am so not interested in much of anything around here anymore, I haven't seen a good thread in like a year or something.....it's true.

Maybe because like a war-hardened veteran, you've 'seen it all before'?

Just a guess.

but.....things have changed. I am so not interested in much of anything around here anymore, I haven't seen a good thread in like a year or something.....it's true.

Been here since 2003, and it has changed a lot.
The "Good Old Days" weren't better but a lot more interesting (and a lot more taxing on the mods).

NS General is cyclical, not linear.

Everything old will be new again.

Maybe because like a war-hardened veteran, you've 'seen it all before'?

Just a guess.
That's exactly my point. It takes a while for people to realize that the same things occur again and again. It never really changes.

Been here since 2003, and it has changed a lot.
The "Good Old Days" weren't better but a lot more interesting (and a lot more taxing on the mods).
I'm talking about since the Jolt move. When was that?

And moreso I'm talking about people remembering things as being a certain way when they first arrive. Again, it's because it's all new to them. It takes a while before people see that the same things repeat over and over.

You don't have to be an old-timer to think this forum is in decline. Just one year ago, there was more than one page of threads.

Well, I have to actually agree. It's gotten alot more "spamy"-er...and really, maybe it's not so much the influx of n00blets who spam, but the departing of the good old posters that has really changed it. While I stay around because I like the discussion, regardless of if it's better or worse than before, I also notice that it isnt the same. I won't leave, I'll just comment on it.

Also, there seems to be alot more posting of ":rolleyes:" and "not this shit again" stuff when directed at a post/thread that people don't agree with, instead of actual debate.

Like it matters if the topic at hand floats your politicall correct boat. Deal with it or don't post in it.

Also, June 2005 join date for me.

Yeah back in August things were much better than they are now.

Actually, I think things have calmed quite a a bit since the "good old days". There is certainly not quite as much confrontational threads as before (maybe they've been done to death) in NSG. Or maybe idiot saturation hit a maximum and they got filtered out with DoS's

/nsg/ was never good

NS General is cyclical, not linear.

Everything old will be new again.
A downward spiral and a cycle can look very similar.

Anyway, whether the quality of NS threads has gone down since I joined or not is heartily debatable, but it is objectively true that the quantity has gone down. Today, I see 4 pages (yeah, I'm sure you, personally, have reset the "Threads Per Page" and see a different amount, but I don't really care), and that is actually higher than usual. A couple years ago, seeing 6 or 7 wasn't unusual, and 5 would have been a slow day.

Shit you are old.

I should start calling you Old My Kyronea.

Shit you are old.

I should start calling you Old My Kyronea.
Hey, I just realized that I'm your elder!
Yet I have fewer posts per day ...

/nsg/ was never good

You got to it first, so to commemorate our individual collective thinking, SIGGED!

I had a nation on NS back before the forum move, then a nation called Trigonia in 2002. Both were low post nations, like this one, but I read through the old debates and spam threads that invariably devolved into fluffle orgies. The forum has its ebb and flow, from socializing mixed with friendly debate to the flame-fests that seem to accompany election years, but it never got completely boring.

Right now, the place is pretty stale without any big political events to breath life into some of the more classic debates, like abortion or religion. Once the election in the U.S. picks up, I predict we'll see the forum perk up as the candidates and the issues get debated.

I've spent a fair while browsing on a different forum... nearly two years now, and there are people on there who hark back to the old days. The forum doesn't change much, the same old threads, only the regulars change - something that does alter the character of the forum slightly.

As far as I remember, it hasn't got any better or worse. Just fewer arguments about vegetarianism and religion.

I'd consider Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia to be great debate material. There is always something going on in the world to add something to the every day threads like Iraq and gun control. Perhaps people simply get tired of reading the same arguments and responding with the same information given a dozen times before, maybe you are all just getting bored? I hope not but that seems a much more likely possibility then the "things have changed" observation. The only real change I've seen here is that the forum is slower then it used to be and the mods are a bit more apt to pull the trigger against someone than before.

The 'problem' isn't so much that NSG has changed, its that it hasn't.

Same motifs surface everywhere, each and every one of us might as well be some long gone poster reincarnated.

You got to it first, so to commemorate our individual collective thinking, SIGGED!

Well, my life is complete now. C'ya NSG.
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:P

Hey, I just realized that I'm your elder!
Yet I have fewer posts per day ...
You've been my elder for a long time, yet whose name is more immediately identifiable?

That is because you have quality standards for your posts, while I will post the first stupid thing that comes into my mind. Given that I wake up at 600 each morning yet am unable to fall asleep before 230-300 most days, allot of stupid things come into my mind.

This place was good at one time?

Fuck me, no. Not in my almost two years.

November 2005.

... and the mods are a bit more apt to pull the trigger against someone than before.

A-ha! See what happens when you make guns more freely available?

*Ponders on how to bring in abortion, religion, the Middle East, American political parties, climate change, philosophy and music.*

I do think there's been (hallelujah!) a bit of a decline in creationism threads, maybe fewer help-repair-my-social-life threads, and (hallelujah again) markedly fewer gee-I've-just-discovered-smilies threads.

First joined up in August '04, the only decline I can see is that more and more people seem to think this is /b/. Jesus people, this is not 4chan /b/. Stop taking the memes here, it hurts NSG and /b/.

This place was good at one time?

Fuck me, no. Not in my almost two years.
That's not true. A couple years ago this place was awesome. Regretfully, I think the last good month we had was October 2005. Then this complete jerk showed up and ruined everything. His name starts with something ... an "F", maybe? I just can't quite put my finger on who it was ...
November 2005.
Oh, oh yes, now I remember.

Been here since 2003, and it has changed a lot.
The "Good Old Days" weren't better but a lot more interesting (and a lot more taxing on the mods).

The "Good Old Days" is WHY Max decided we NEEDED mods.

A-ha! See what happens when you make guns more freely available?

*Ponders on how to bring in abortion, religion, the Middle East, American political parties, climate change, philosophy and music.*

I do think there's been (hallelujah!) a bit of a decline in creationism threads, maybe fewer help-repair-my-social-life threads, and (hallelujah again) markedly fewer gee-I've-just-discovered-smilies threads.

I calls 'em as I see 'em. But perhaps trolls and spammers are hiding under all our beds! :eek: :p

And while the creationsim threads seem to be rare now there are plenty of regular religion threads that could eventually lead there. After all there will be someone out there who will claim the Earth is only 6000 years old. Like blood in the water. :D

(First, before I begin, I need to point out that I have actually been here since more or less August of 2004 when I first signed up with the name of PIcaRDMPCia. I left for a period of about nine months after I let PIcaRDMPCia die at some point in 2005 and came back with my current name.)

Time and again lately I've been seeing threads or posts on this forum, much like this one by Zilam:



Variations upon this include threads from old-timers--2003 or earlier--complaining about how everything has changed, or people wondering why all intellectual discussion has disappeared, or why people just stay fixated on certain little things like definitions or sources and then ignore their opponent's arguments.

This is a fallacy.

Fact is, this is how NSG has ALWAYS BEEN. There might've been a little less of it early on before it really got started, but by the Jolt move things got settled in to a regular rhythm of certain types of threads, posters, posting methods, arguments, ect ect.

It just takes a while for people to realize it. They come onto the site and see such wonderful political discussion and eagerly begin to take part. They see some of the expert arguments from people like Jocabia or The Cat Tribes and think that's standard of everyone's posts.

Then, after a while--this can take anywhere from six months to a year--they begin to realize the realities of the situation. NSG is just like any other place with political discussion...it's a little more tolerant and lenient, and a bit more educated discussion takes place, but apart from that everyone is still human and everyone will still act the same way. You'll still have people ignoring arguments or misinterpreting them with strawmen or red herrings or what have you...you still have mods who crack down on spam, flaming, and the like...while the people involved might change and discussions change along with them, the same general state remains.

I'm just tired of seeing people act as if things have changed when all that's happening is that they're realizing how NSG really is. What irritates me more is when decent posters like Zilam then declare they're going to leave because they suddenly "don't like it anymore" or what have you, which is rather stupid.

It's the same place it's always been. It's not going to change in any significant way. Accept it for what it is rather than pining away for what you thought it was. NSG is the way it is. It's a nice place...probably one of the best places to discuss politics with truly informed opinions. It's a good place, and a fun place.

So, accept it for what it is, and stop invoking the "Good Old Days" fallacy, okay?

Well ... Zi just needs to be tickled. :D
Jocabia? Dunno.
The Cat-Tribe? Definitely in shorter supply than at one time prior.

If i have any significant contribution in terms of "Good Old Days", it would be lamenting the infrequency of a few of my personal favourite posters.
They know who they are.

The Cat-Tribe owes me a blow job.

No no no .... just kidding.

This thread merrited a bunch of Mods to come in and say "hey", so I thought I'd put a message that offended Mods.

I couldn't think of any so I just say this:

Ladies and Gentlement, I've said it twice,
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice.

Ladies and Gentlement, I've said it twice,
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice.
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So you're voting for Cindy, right?

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So you're voting for Cindy, right?


She is the only candidate that matters.

She is the only candidate that matters.

I remember.


..on your other point ...
The Cat-Tribe owes me a blow job.
Well, can't offer that, but i can offer something kinda sexy in its stead ...:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13079556&postcount=273
:)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13079556&postcount=273
:)
Bwahahahaha! I love watching The Cat Tribes trounce someone, especially Mystic Skeptic, who has been rather...well...he never knows what he's talking about.

Oh I see how it is. Pick on me when I post it. Its been said a trillion times on here as of late.

Oh I see how it is. Pick on me when I post it. Its been said a trillion times on here as of late.

...you could always run to the mods! :p

Bwahahahaha! I love watching The Cat Tribes trounce someone, especially Mystic Skeptic, who has been rather...well...he never knows what he's talking about.

I'd have to agree, that went rather well. :D

Oh I see how it is. Pick on me when I post it. Its been said a trillion times on here as of late.

That wasn't my intention. As you might have noticed, I did refer to you as a good poster.

Your post was simply the straw that broke the camel's back...in essence, what set me off writing this. I merely quoted you because I needed an example and yours was the first one available.

...you could always run to the mods! :p



Well I might, if this gets too spammy ;)

I hate to say it, but I spend a lot more time in II today than I do in general. Sadly, Neu Leonstein just isn't active enough for the kinds of topics I like to discuss.

I miss the days of the Notorious Trio.

The Atlantian Islands, Europa Maxima and Ny Nordland.

Those were the best of times.:)

Rest in peace Europa Maxima and Ny Norland, you will be in my memories. Of the three of us, only I remain, and I will not go quietly into the night!

only I remain, and I will not go quietly into the night!

Of course not, what with that lustrous mane of yours flapping loudly through all the hot air this place provides (one source or another).

I miss the days of the Notorious Trio.

The Atlantian Islands, Europa Maxima and Ny Nordland.

Those were the best of times.:)

Rest in peace Europa Maxima and Ny Norland, you will be in my memories. Of the three of us, only I remain, and I will not go quietly into the night!
I can understand you and Ny Nordland, because you're both racists, but Europa Maxima? He might've been a little crazy--a gay Catholic libertarian?!--but I'd hardly call him a racist.

Unless your trio was based on some other reason...

Of course not, what with that lustrous mane of yours flapping loudly through all the hot air this place provides (one source or another).

Hee...

I can understand you and Ny Nordland, because you're both racists, but Europa Maxima? He might've been a little crazy--a gay Catholic libertarian?!--but I'd hardly call him a racist.

Unless your trio was based on some other reason...
"Racists", the term is thrown around for the lamest reasons.
Europa Maxima shared two things with us.
1. He beleived the private communities and private land should be able to discriminate and choose whoever it wanted to live in it's communities. In examples like Switzerland, where Swiss want to keep their communities homogenous, he supported that because he supported and upheld how strong the rights to property are and how if a group of people own the community and don't want to let someone in, they don't have to.
2. He tended to be offended by how intolerant and non-enlightened Islamic culture is and felt it had no place amongst Europe where he believed it, in general crashed greatly with European values and society.

So if you call that racist...? I mean, I don't.
Of course not, what with that lustrous mane of yours flapping loudly through all the hot air this place provides (one source or another).
Meh, someone has to keep our trio alive and known. I stand for beleifs that we view as right, I could care less if those views are unpopular on the forum. I'll debate as loud as I can and to the death.

Meh, someone has to keep our trio alive and known. I stand for beleifs that we view as right, I could care less if those views are unpopular on the forum. I'll debate as loud as I can and to the death.

Never intimated to the contrary.
Just wondering if y'all are a surfboard trio too, SkeetSurfin'!

"Racists", the term is thrown around for the lamest reasons.
Europa Maxima shared two things with us.
1. He beleived the private communities and private land should be able to discriminate and choose whoever it wanted to live in it's communities. In examples like Switzerland, where Swiss want to keep their communities homogenous, he supported that because he supported and upheld how strong the rights to property are and how if a group of people own the community and don't want to let someone in, they don't have to.
2. He tended to be offended by how intolerant and non-enlightened Islamic culture is and felt it had no place amongst Europe where he believed it, in general crashed greatly with European values and society.

So if you call that racist...? I mean, I don't.
Certainly I'd call that racist. There is a difference between a private community and an entire bloody nation. Usually people will discriminate precisely because they are racists, and protecting such behavior is racism.

I see I didn't know Europa Maxima as well as I thought...he was a racist after all, and a religious bigot too.

Meh, someone has to keep our trio alive and known. I stand for beleifs that we view as right, I could care less if those views are unpopular on the forum. I'll debate as loud as I can and to the death.
Yes, you just keep braying, donkey, and we'll just keep laughing and pointing out how wrong you are.

Certainly I'd call that racist. There is a difference between a private community and an entire bloody nation. Usually people will discriminate precisely because they are racists, and protecting such behavior is racism.
Ugh, fool....if you'd have read through my Switzerland thread you'd know that Swiss immigration IS through the private communities, not through the entire nation. They will descriminate for whatever reason they want to, it's their community, there is no univerisal law that says they have to let people in.
I see I didn't know Europa Maxima as well as I thought...he was a racist after all, and a religious bigot too.
"racist" and "bigot" don't mean anything anymore..they're just words employed by the left to attack those they don't agree with and slander their names instead of debate their arguements, so...meh.
Yes, you just keep braying, donkey, and we'll just keep laughing and pointing out how wrong you are.
Yeah, whatev'...meanwhile while I debate with lunatics on here I convince normal people every day about the failings of multiculturalism and the dangers of Islam, and many people even had those feelings before I even talked to them about it.
Never intimated to the contrary.
Just wondering if y'all are a surfboard trio too, SkeetSurfin'!
Like, totally! Not only that but we are a black all girl R&B group!

Like, totally! Not only that but we are a black all girl R&B group!

Pix. Gimme.
I can hook you up.
So long as you keep the skeetshootin' motif on the high&mighty.

Ugh, fool....if you'd have read through my Switzerland thread you'd know that Swiss immigration IS through the private communities, not through the entire nation. They will descriminate for whatever reason they want to, it's their community, there is no univerisal law that says they have to let people in.
Irrelevant. The issue is not how the immigration is done, but the motive for barring, and that motive is racism and bigotry.

"racist" and "bigot" don't mean anything anymore..they're just words employed by the left to attack those they don't agree with and slander their names instead of debate their arguements, so...meh.

True...they are often misused.

In your case however, they are spot on. You can lie to yourself however you wish, but your support for people who would like to keep communities "homogeneous" shows your bigotry. You would rather keep a community entirely the same and keep out anyone different.

The sad thing is you lie to yourself as much as you do to the rest of us. Admit your bigotry, and you might be able to finally change.

Yeah, whatev'...meanwhile while I debate with lunatics on here I convince normal people every day about the failings of multiculturalism and the dangers of Islam, and many people even had those feelings before I even talked to them about it.

Ah, yes, I see...the donkey continues to bray to the mares and stallions. In other words, you're preaching to the choir.

Multiculturalism does have failings, but those failings are not the fault of multiculturalism so much as how it is required to be implimented. It requires cooperation from all members of a multicultural community. If members resist on the basis of their bigotry, then and ONLY then does it fail.

In essence, your actions are why it fails, and then you hold it up and pronounce it to be a complete failure. That would not be the case if you'd stop being a bigot.

As for Islam, the dangers were created by European powers interfering in the region. Up until approximately the eighteenth century, Arabia and Europe were equals militarily and culturally, and I might go so far as to declare Arabia superior in terms of knowledge and understanding of mathematics, science, and the like. After all, they were the ones who created Damascus steel.

After that, European interference prevented cultures from being able to continue to advance. Dictatorships and monarchies continued to flourish as opposed to the democracies that might've been able to develop were it not for European intervention for the sake of resources. The discovery of oil in the region only made things much worse..everyone who used oil suddenly had a reason to continue to interfere. Classic example: Iraq. Iraq was formed by the British who gave absolutely no regard to cultures when they drew up the absurd border lines, and as a result the quagmire we have today was created.

Continued interference, support of dictators and anyone else useable as a puppet has created the environment today. Cultures could not advance as well as they should have. That is NOT the fault of Islam...it is the fault of the region. Islam is merely a tool used by extremists...merely the primary religion of the region. Were the religion Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism, or anything else, the end result would still be same.

We have created the dangers. The lives we are losing in Iraq, the lives we lost on September 11th, July 7th, and in other terrorist attacks are ALL because we did not allow the region to develop on its own. We have, as the saying goes, made our own bed.

The sad thing is people like you can't see that. You'd rather ignore those truths and continue to bray about your bigotry. The dangers are not from Islam...it's from extremists . And the more we do what you would have us do--trample on their culture, on their religion, and so on--the more angry moderates become, and the more we cultivate the seeds of our dangers. We continue to plant new seeds every day, and we will continue to harvest them until bigots like you STOP!

NS General is cyclical, not linear.

Everything old will be new again.

^ What he said.

And yes, it has changed. Back in '05, most of the threads were actually interesting and post-worthy. As '06 came around, the older posters began to leave, and new ones began to appear. Things became a lot less involved, and more and more threads became spam topics, rather than discussion topics.

See, back in 2005 and early 2006, I could make a music thread (or any thread, really, as I made several dozen) and it would become a very large, involved discussion (my biggest having over 200 posts, not a single bit of spam in it). Now, I can't even make a decent musicians' thread without the first ten fucking posts being goddamn spam bullshit... And, as I remember, that happened to the last thread I made.

And mark my words, it will be the last thread I make for quite some time --- this ridiculous spam has gotten out of hand, and I think it's fucking terrible (not to mention disturbing) that most of the posters here can't seem to ever be truly serious about anything.

So, once again, yes, NS General has changed. Significantly. It's the main reason my post count is so low. Back in those better days (well, better days of the forum), I actually enjoyed spending time here, posting and listening to music, rather than doing other things. I sure as hell don't now. But, I'm reasonably optimistic, and I think that things will turn around. At least, I hope so.

I tell you one thing, I sure as hell don't miss the old forum that we had before we moved to Jolt. Good lord, good luck trying to post on that forum!

^ What he said.

And yes, it has changed. Back in '05, most of the threads were actually interesting and post-worthy. As '06 came around, the older posters began to leave, and new ones began to appear. Things became a lot less involved, and more and more threads became spam topics, rather than discussion topics.

Blame that on the painful departure of Forrest.

Blame that on the painful departure of Forrest.

The funny thing is, I actually can't remember his screen name. And painful? Did he die (I know he had cancer and decided against treatment [a decision of which I honestly can't fathom the reasoning] and went on a cross-country trip on a motorcycle), or is he just not coming back?

But no, I'm not blaming it solely on his leaving. It all adds up to most of the old posters leaving, and newer (and much less insightful) posters coming in.

The funny thing is, I actually can't remember his screen name. And painful? Did he die (I know he had cancer and decided against treatment [a decision of which I honestly can't fathom the reasoning] and went on a cross-country trip on a motorcycle), or is he just not coming back?

But no, I'm not blaming it solely on his leaving. It all adds up to most of the old posters leaving, and newer (and much less insightful) posters coming in.

His handle on here was Eustace or something like that, and meh I think he kind of lost it at the end when he got the perma-ban. He's still alive, I see him pop in on Yahoo IM once in awhile, and I dunno about his cross-country motorcycle trip.

The funny thing is, I actually can't remember his screen name. And painful? Did he die (I know he had cancer and decided against treatment [a decision of which I honestly can't fathom the reasoning] and went on a cross-country trip on a motorcycle), or is he just not coming back?

But no, I'm not blaming it solely on his leaving. It all adds up to most of the old posters leaving, and newer (and much less insightful) posters coming in.

Eutrusca. He left for some reason...he got perma-banned for some reason, actually...and that's why he's gone.

His handle on here was Eustace or something like that, and meh I think he kind of lost it at the end when he got the perma-ban. He's still alive, I see him pop in on Yahoo IM once in awhile, and I dunno about his cross-country motorcycle trip.

Oh yeah, Eutrusca was it. And I remember the perma-ban now (which was, in all truthfulness, way too late in coming --- he got away with far too much)... He kind of lost it several times over the course of his stay on NS General. :p

The funny thing is, I actually can't remember his screen name. And painful? Did he die (I know he had cancer and decided against treatment [a decision of which I honestly can't fathom the reasoning] and went on a cross-country trip on a motorcycle), or is he just not coming back?As Wilgrove was saying, "perma-ban". I didn't witness it personally, but the ol' man sure did bring bicycles, bikinis and trout back into vogue.

But no, I'm not blaming it solely on his leaving. It all adds up to most of the old posters leaving, and newer (and much less insightful) posters coming in.The obvious solution is to unseat the mods and take their place, rightfully so.
Claw Plach!
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Eutrusca. He left for some reason...he got perma-banned for some reason, actually...and that's why he's gone.

I think he got Perma-banned because He stopped using real arguments in debates and started doing stuff like "Spin spin spin!" etc.

I think he got Perma-banned because He stopped using real arguments in debates and started doing stuff like "Spin spin spin!" etc.

That, and lashing out at every single person who disagreed with him in the slightest.

You know, his usual stuff. That he never get a single warning for. In over three years of posting. Even with me and several other posters trying to get the mods' attention in the Moderation forum.

It's all coming back (in a way...).

That, and lashing out at every single person who disagreed with him in the slightest.

You know, his usual stuff. That he never get a single warning for. In over three years of posting. Even with me and several other posters trying to get the mods' attention in the Moderation forum.

It's all coming back (in a way...).

*cues flash back scene & music*

You got to admit, he was fun though, a lot of old posters were fun to mess with. :)

*cues flash back scene & music*

You got to admit, he was fun though, a lot of old posters were fun to mess with. :)

Ekland was the best to mess with. Man, that guy had one hell of a temper.

doing stuff like "Spin spin spin!" etc.
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Ekland was the best to mess with. Man, that guy had one hell of a temper.

How come everything we remember look so much better when we remember them but in reality they were probably just as crappy as the present is?

I ask that today because In MxO we were talking about a former Cypherite liaisons (a player who was chose by the Moderators to tell the organization's operative about events, and stuff.) named Viraconrida and she was a crazy liaison who was pretty extreme and careless in her handling of operations inside the game. She's gone now, and I bring this up because when we thought about Vira today, it just seems like we were looking back on her role as a liaison with rose colored glasses. When in reality, she was insane *laughs*.

How come everything we remember look so much better when we remember them but in reality they were probably just as crappy as the present is?

I ask that today because In MxO we were talking about a former Cypherite liaisons (a player who was chose by the Moderators to tell the organization's operative about events, and stuff.) named Viraconrida and she was a crazy liaison who was pretty extreme and careless in her handling of operations inside the game. She's gone now, and I bring this up because when we thought about Vira today, it just seems like we were looking back on her role as a liaison with rose colored glasses. When in reality, she was insane *laughs*.
Even though they say not to feed the trolls, it's the same reason why we watch Nascar to the end, or hang around the gator pits.
Eye on the the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be, like...
"Killed by the husband"
"Drowned by the ocean"
"Shot by his own son"
"She used a poison
in his tea...kissed him goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun 'til someone dies

Don't look at me like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother holds her child
Watches them die
Hands to the sky crying,
"Why, oh why?"

Cause I need to watch things die... from a distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
YOU ALL NEED IT TOO, DON'T LIE

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
Will write as the story's told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

I need to watch things die... from a good safe distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same, so...

Why can't we just admit it?

Blood like rain come down
Drown my grave and ground

Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and Voyeur
Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle

La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie (x4)

Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men
Pull your head on out, your head please
, and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

The universe is hostile, so impersonal
Devour to survive... so it is, so it's always been

We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire

Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I

(First, before I begin, I need to point out that I have actually been here since more or less August of 2004 when I first signed up with the name of PIcaRDMPCia. I left for a period of about nine months after I let PIcaRDMPCia die at some point in 2005 and came back with my current name.)

Time and again lately I've been seeing threads or posts on this forum, much like this one by Zilam:



Variations upon this include threads from old-timers--2003 or earlier--complaining about how everything has changed, or people wondering why all intellectual discussion has disappeared, or why people just stay fixated on certain little things like definitions or sources and then ignore their opponent's arguments.

This is a fallacy.

Fact is, this is how NSG has ALWAYS BEEN. There might've been a little less of it early on before it really got started, but by the Jolt move things got settled in to a regular rhythm of certain types of threads, posters, posting methods, arguments, ect ect.

It just takes a while for people to realize it. They come onto the site and see such wonderful political discussion and eagerly begin to take part. They see some of the expert arguments from people like Jocabia or The Cat Tribes and think that's standard of everyone's posts.

Then, after a while--this can take anywhere from six months to a year--they begin to realize the realities of the situation. NSG is just like any other place with political discussion...it's a little more tolerant and lenient, and a bit more educated discussion takes place, but apart from that everyone is still human and everyone will still act the same way. You'll still have people ignoring arguments or misinterpreting them with strawmen or red herrings or what have you...you still have mods who crack down on spam, flaming, and the like...while the people involved might change and discussions change along with them, the same general state remains.

I'm just tired of seeing people act as if things have changed when all that's happening is that they're realizing how NSG really is. What irritates me more is when decent posters like Zilam then declare they're going to leave because they suddenly "don't like it anymore" or what have you, which is rather stupid.

It's the same place it's always been. It's not going to change in any significant way. Accept it for what it is rather than pining away for what you thought it was. NSG is the way it is. It's a nice place...probably one of the best places to discuss politics with truly informed opinions. It's a good place, and a fun place.

So, accept it for what it is, and stop invoking the "Good Old Days" fallacy, okay?

i disagree. and not because the quality of debate has worsened, but because certain posters have moved away or now post infrequently, and as such the social aspect of this forum has changed considerably for me. nothing to do with 'quality of posts' or anything, simply if your friends move away the atmosphere changes.


i got bored of most of the "debates" that go on here a long time ago... the social aspect is what made this place great. its still good, and i still <3 this forum, but it sure isn't the same without the majority of my old friends.

i disagree. and not because the quality of debate has worsened, but because certain posters have moved away or now post infrequently, and as such the social aspect of this forum has changed considerably for me. nothing to do with 'quality of posts' or anything, simply if your friends move away the atmosphere changes.

indeed. my socially favorite time here was something of a middle period. the earliest days i was here were fun in a rough and tumble wild west sort of way, but they weren't the golden age by my reckoning.

I liked the social atmosphere.

That's dead, and Kyronea is wrong, again.

NSG sucks and it has always sucked. But it is entertaining.

The past may seem better, but you have to look at all sides. For example, back then blacks were not treated as well as whites. Many were prosperous, but many were incredibly poor. And of course there was the Cold War, a threat which hung over everyone's...oh, wait a minute, I'm thinking of 1950s America; we're being nostalgic about at most, five years ago. 'Twas a Golden Age, indeed.

Well, my life is complete now. C'ya NSG.
[/seppuku]
:P

I'll be your second!

*cuts Dontgonearthere's head off*

You're honor is intact.

Portions of the quote have been snipped for brevity.

Fact is, this is how NSG has ALWAYS BEEN. There might've been a little less of it early on before it really got started, but by the Jolt move things got settled in to a regular rhythm of certain types of threads, posters, posting methods, arguments, ect ect.

Then, after a while--this can take anywhere from six months to a year--they begin to realize the realities of the situation. NSG is just like any other place with political discussion...it's a little more tolerant and lenient, and a bit more educated discussion takes place, but apart from that everyone is still human and everyone will still act the same way. You'll still have people ignoring arguments or misinterpreting them with strawmen or red herrings or what have you...you still have mods who crack down on spam, flaming, and the like...while the people involved might change and discussions change along with them, the same general state remains.

It's the same place it's always been. It's not going to change in any significant way. Accept it for what it is rather than pining away for what you thought it was. NSG is the way it is. It's a nice place...probably one of the best places to discuss politics with truly informed opinions. It's a good place, and a fun place.

So, accept it for what it is, and stop invoking the "Good Old Days" fallacy, okay?

You're correct in that the essence of NSG has remained the same. But it has undergone significant surface changes, and trends come and go. Sometimes a poster really enjoys a period of time in the forum lifespan, and when some changes occur that cause them to have reduced enjoyment, they get nostalgic.

So a lot of posters remember what were the good old days for them. Those days may be the bad days for others, or the mediocre days for the rest of us, but they are nonetheless the good old days for a few. And those few will reminisce about their favorite time period like anyone else would look back to fond memories of childhood or college or career. It happens, and it's not that big of a deal. Just a matter of personal preferences, not one of objective fact.

It just occurred to me: the old posts are not locked up. If anyone can think of a noteworthy thread to compare to its newer equivalent, we could perhaps make a more scientific judgment on which was better.

Meh. I've only been here since this nation's join date, and yeah, it's essentially the same as it's always been. A couple of posters I miss but the forum goes on as normal.

It just occurred to me: the old posts are not locked up. If anyone can think of a noteworthy thread to compare to its newer equivalent, we could perhaps make a more scientific judgment on which was better.

tadaa (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395863) :D

Meh. Back when I was younger (*sighs*) and somewhat more ideologically charged, I remember things being somewhat more interesting. Might be lies of the mind, though. I certainly remember lots more of Skinny87 and IV Stalin, who hardly ever post any more.

But oh well.

tadaa (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395863) :D
That topic is pretty fucking awesome. If only things were like that... *sighs*

i got bored of most of the "debates" that go on here a long time ago... the social aspect is what made this place great. its still good, and i still <3 this forum, but it sure isn't the same without the majority of my old friends.

I agree... Damn people moving away to RL things, msn convos, related (other) forums and such eh? >.<

This is what I miss about NSG:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465789 - on Jews?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493362 - European Terrorism, the enemy within

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502524 - Iceland, Switzerland, Norway

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508242 - a Jude in Denmark

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506377 - Multiculturalism, the failing experiment

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481228 - Population decline in the West

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486119 - Is Turkey European?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478343 -Muslim rape concern in Denmark

It's not changed all that much. Different posters and topics come and go, but apart from that I don't see a huge difference between now and when I joined (Feb 2003). People just eventually get bored of debating the same things with the same people and not making any progress, so lose interest.

Been here since 2003, and it has changed a lot.
The "Good Old Days" weren't better but a lot more interesting (and a lot more taxing on the mods).

yeah....but they never got rid of the frikkn server problems! :headbang:

This is what I miss about NSG:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=852821

Linky no worky.

Linky no worky.
Sorry, these kinds of threads:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465789 - on Jews?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493362 - European Terrorism, the enemy within

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502524 - Iceland, Switzerland, Norway

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508242 - a Jude in Denmark

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506377 - Multiculturalism, the failing experiment

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481228 - Population decline in the West

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486119 - Is Turkey European?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478343 -Muslim rape concern in Denmark
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Basically, the "The Atlantian Islands, Europa Maxima and Ny Nordland" threads.

So, accept it for what it is, and stop invoking the "Good Old Days" fallacy, okay?
but it has changed.
Spam threads were somewhat tolerated, or they wern't reported at the speed they are now.

Once you could have indepth discussions of items not realating to politics, Religion, or law.

this place had such wonderful posters like TIN, Tinks, TCG, Peechland, etc... that would make spam like threads that would have those who would normally report it in actually participate.

Sure there were debates, and the intellect level is pretty much the same, but the tone of the forum was lighter back then.

Sorry, these kinds of threads:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502524&highlight=atlantian+islands

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502760&highlight=Atlantian+Islands

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481228

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486119

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478343

Basically, the "The Atlantian Islands, Europa Maxima and Ny Nordland" threads.
Autofellatio via "I was so awesome", eh?

Bwahahahaha! I love watching The Cat Tribes trounce someone, especially Mystic Skeptic, who has been rather...well...he never knows what he's talking about.Yeah, I've been a little slow on the uptake lately. It took me a couple of threads to realize that Mystic apparently makes up most of his "facts."

You know, for all of the times I've been toying with this site I have visited the forum very few times, mostly for my lack of faith in humanity to talk about anything worth reading. This having been said, however, I can say that this thread has actually been rather amusing to me as an outsider. You've also touched on a fairly large issue in the matter, being the policy change regarding off-topic and spam posts. Perhaps a good allegory for the positives and negatives to Law & Order? While I'm certain its not a subject that has been overlooked here perhaps this topic might be well served using it as a filter?

Being too new to the forum to have much greater input I relinquish the balance of my time.

For me this place went downhill once Ny Nordland and Europa Maxima left, to be honest.
Ny Nordland had really easy to shoot down arguments. Europa Maxima less so, although some of what he said was simply incorrect (Switzerland? In the EU? Untrue!).

But meh.
Though I still do like it and am not leaving.
Fair enough.

Autofellatio via "I was so awesome", eh?

I re-edited to fix broken links.

I just liked the general debate feel back then.

Was just better. For me this place went downhill once Ny Nordland and Europa Maxima left, to be honest. Though I still do like it and am not leaving.

Kids today now don't know how good they have it. I remember when the forum started back in 78, before there were any interwebs. The mailman delivered about 600 letters each week, then you had to read them all, write your responses by hand or with a typewriter, make copies for everyone and then drop them in the mailbox. Moderators had a harder time locking a thread.

Embedding a picture back then was a lot messier. But at least the emoticons you could draw were far more descriptive.

I find the forum likes to flucuate allot, but it generally stays the same. It went seriously down the crapper at the end of the school year with the rise of "This is not your blog." But it has recently bounced back, which oddly happened just before the returns of H N Fiddlebottoms VIII and Keruvalia, which proves that they are not pro posters whose posts everyone wants to read.

But it has recently bounced back, which oddly happened just before the returns of H N Fiddlebottoms VIII and Keruvalia, which proves that they are not pro posters whose posts everyone wants to read.
Say what? Are you implying that, somehow, NS doesn't need me?
You are wrong, Posi. I am NSG! Without me, you'd all just be a bunch of half-naked Nazis and Communists, running about beating your chests, grunting and waving dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged and Das Kapital at each other while posting pictures of captioned animals.

Say what? Are you implying that, somehow, NS doesn't need me?
You are wrong, Posi. I am NSG! Without me, you'd all just be a bunch of half-naked Nazis and Communists, running about beating your chests, grunting and waving dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged and Das Kapital at each other while posting pictures of captioned animals.

All? I rather see myself in an Edwardian morning suit reading a copy of High Society by the esteemed Canadian cartoonist Dave Sim, who, whilst supping a steaming hot brew of Yunnan Gold tea would be practicing his proficiency in arms by shooting at said Nazis and Communists.

So, bit said and whatnot; anyone feel like making a thread? What's on your mind at the moment? Find an article, make it relevant. Most of your topics will fail, but it'll get those pages we're looking for. :p

All? I rather see myself in an Edwardian morning suit reading a copy of High Society by the esteemed Canadian cartoonist Dave Sim, who, whilst supping a steaming hot brew of Yunnan Gold tea would be practicing his proficiency in arms by shooting at said Nazis and Communists.
That, mon ami, is purely due to my civilizing influence. I assure you, were I to depart that veneer of non-barbarism would wash away in the deluge of insanity that followed.
Or maybe the Nazis and Communists would devour you alive, making you one of the lucky ones.

The "Good Old Days" is WHY Max decided we NEEDED mods.There only seem to be a couple of old timers posting in this thread (by old timers I mean late 2002/early 2003). When this game was still young and 100 million was a lot of population.

Anyway, it was anarchy in action. Only be enacted by people not used to an anarchic system. Back when pretty much the only rule was - no illegal shit.

Which was, like Kat said, why Mods were added.

That, mon ami, is purely due to my civilizing influence. I assure you, were I to depart that veneer of non-barbarism would wash away in the deluge of insanity that followed.
Or maybe the Nazis and Communists would devour you alive, making you one of the lucky ones.

That veneer is thin on all of mankind. However I am English. My veneer is permanent. Communists and Nazis can never be English. It is a situation of mutual exclusivity. Now where is the whipped cream and wenches?

you know, back in my day we used to have much better threads about the good old days

Say what? Are you implying that, somehow, NS doesn't need me?I'm not implying that, I am stating that. NS DOES NOT NEED YOU, but it values your presence.
You are wrong, Posi. I am NSG! Without me, you'd all just be a bunch of half-naked Nazis and Communists, running about beating your chests, grunting and waving dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged and Das Kapital at each other while posting pictures of captioned animals.I am not wrong, because you forgot about the gun nuts. They would be running around shooting aimlessly because of the Second Ammendement says so. In conclusion, I am right because your arguement forsot to take into consideration the gun nuts.

Also, damn the Mac version of FF for not having spellcheck.

you know, back in my day we used to have much better threads about the good old days

Had no one said that yet? *missed out*

Bah, back in my day we had to walk 50 miles to post on NSG. Uphill. In the snow. And the burning sun. While being chased by nazis riding dinosaurs.

Ny Nordland had really easy to shoot down arguments.
I found, (even more so from reviewing some of those old threads), that most people countered Ny Nordlands arguments with "You're racist!", "Bigot!" and "Oh no, not this shit again!"...instead of actually debating his arguments in a civilized manner. There are some notable exceptions, however...like Jacobia and such.

Europa Maxima less so, although some of what he said was simply incorrect (Switzerland? In the EU? Untrue!).
He never said Schweiz was in the EU, in fact...something he liked to bring up reoccuringly was the fact that the fate of a free, non EU dominated Europe lay with the smaller nations, like Switzerland, Iceland, Lichtenstein, Monaco...ect. So...yeah, you must be mistaken on this one.


Fair enough.
As unpopular as my beliefs are on here, it's still fun to come to a place where most of the people are educated (though, in the incorrect schools of thought ;)) rather than always remain in the real world where I can almost never debate politics because most people are too stupid or simply apathetic, hehe.

Not to mention, NSG would be very boring with one sided debate where everyone agrees with each other.;)

Bah, back in my day we had to walk 50 miles to post on NSG. Uphill. In the snow. And the burning sun. While being chased by nazis riding dinosaurs.
With a dial-up connection. ;)

this place had such wonderful posters like TIN, Tinks, TCG, Peechland, etc... that would make spam like threads that would have those who would normally report it in actually participate.

true, and none of this "get a blog" rhetoric you get today.

and just look at that thread i posted... its three pages of crap. these day's you're lucky to get over a page or two on even a decent thread that's about something. i looked this morning while i was finding that old thread, and on the first page probably 50% of the threads were one-pagers. the place seems slower than it used to be.

Sure there were debates, and the intellect level is pretty much the same, but the tone of the forum was lighter back then.



also true

Bah, back in my day we had to walk 50 miles to post on NSG. Uphill. In the snow. And the burning sun. While being chased by nazis riding dinosaurs.

:p

[/grumpy old sod]

I'm not implying that, I am stating that. NS DOES NOT NEED YOU, but it values your presence.
As it values life itself. The very life it needs me to support!
I am not wrong, because you forgot about the gun nuts. They would be running around shooting aimlessly because of the Second Ammendement says so. In conclusion, I am right because your arguement forsot to take into consideration the gun nuts.

Also, damn the Mac version of FF for not having spellcheck.
No, I am right because the Mac version of FF does have spellcheck, and you claimed otherwise in an unrelated section of your post, thus invalidating your entire argument.
Proof/Screenshot. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/Posisux.jpg)

Had no one said that yet? *missed out*

...in the good old days, we'd never have let that slide for so long...

The Cat-Tribe owes me a blow job.

No no no .... just kidding.

This thread merrited a bunch of Mods to come in and say "hey", so I thought I'd put a message that offended Mods.

I couldn't think of any so I just say this:

Ladies and Gentlement, I've said it twice,
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice.

It's considered bad manners to "kiss" and tell.

a bunch of half-naked Nazis and Communists

waving dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged and Das Kapital

Ouch.

It's considered bad manners to "kiss" and tell.

Technically, that wouldn't be kissing.

Just be glad it doesn't go into the blow by blow retelling. :p

NS General is cyclical, not linear.

Everything old will be new again.

Holy fuck where have YOU been!?

Technically, that wouldn't be kissing.

Just be glad it doesn't go into the blow by blow retelling. :p

*groans.... and groans.....*

I miss the days of the Notorious Trio.

The Atlantian Islands, Europa Maxima and Ny Nordland.

Those were the best of times.:)

Rest in peace Europa Maxima and Ny Norland, you will be in my memories. Of the three of us, only I remain, and I will not go quietly into the night!
True, we don't have nearly as many racists around here as we used to. Damn.

I can understand you and Ny Nordland, because you're both racists, but Europa Maxima? He might've been a little crazy--a gay Catholic libertarian?!--but I'd hardly call him a racist.

Unless your trio was based on some other reason...
I think it was all the cock shots AI was sending EM.

The average thread length seems to have eclined since I joined!:confused:

A nice intelligent thread clearly worthy of discussion might die in less than 10 pages. What happedned to 40-60?Now it's 3-7

NSG is definitely a lot slower. One of the things I used to love about this place was the hectic pace. Now threads move at a snail's pace. I'm bored.

Holy fuck where have YOU been!?There was already a thread on this.

Basically, a power surge destroyed his computer.

NSG is definitely a lot slower. One of the things I used to love about this place was the hectic pace. Now threads move at a snail's pace. I'm bored.Remember that one thread, that was growing so quickly you could not read and keep up? Even in the time it takes to punch out a one liner, three more pages would appear...

Awesome.

As it values life itself. The very life it needs me to support!To NS, life is just a word, so if it is going to value any word, it is going to value poontang.

No, I am right because the Mac version of FF does have spellcheck, and you claimed otherwise in an unrelated section of your post, thus invalidating your entire argument.
Proof/Screenshot. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/Posisux.jpg)Well, my school's Mac's Firefox does not spell check, so I am still correct. By why do I bother to argue with a Mac owner. You are an idiot, which is way you bought a Mac. You do not need your computer to make you feel like an idiot as reality does that frequently enough on its own.

This is what I miss about NSG:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465789 - on Jews?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493362 - European Terrorism, the enemy within

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502524 - Iceland, Switzerland, Norway

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508242 - a Jude in Denmark

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506377 - Multiculturalism, the failing experiment

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481228 - Population decline in the West

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486119 - Is Turkey European?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478343 -Muslim rape concern in Denmark

Don't forget female circumcision!

True, we don't have nearly as many racists around here as we used to. Damn.
*Yawn*...the whole "racist, racist, bigot, xenophobe" way of "debate" is soo last season. It's old already. :)
I think it was all the cock shots AI was sending EM.
Pfff, cock shots. Think full body.
Remember that one thread, that was growing so quickly you could not read and keep up? Even in the time it takes to punch out a one liner, three more pages would appear...

Awesome.
Actually, not that I remember which exact thread you're talking about..I do miss that where you'd be posting a response, and by the time you post and get back to read your response, you're already on the next page. Was quite fun at times. NSG is WAAAAAAAAAAY slower now.
Don't forget female circumcision!
How could I?

How could I?

It's totally dependent on culture. http://images.crushspot.com/smilies/snob.gif

Remember that one thread, that was growing so quickly you could not read and keep up? Even in the time it takes to punch out a one liner, three more pages would appear...

Awesome.

Yeah, that's what I'm missing too. And some of the spa... I mean posters that made it possible. And threads that completely derailed after page 20 :)

So it's a matter of volume? It used to be you could find two or three threads you liked and could barely keep up with, but now you're bored and start looking around; seeing how many other, crappier threads there are?

Yeah, that's what I'm missing too. And some of the spa... I mean posters that made it possible. And threads that completely derailed after page 20 :)

*knows what you want, but his photobucket is borked*

Ouch.
Well, I couldn't think of a Nazi-related book that actually gets cited by anyone as a source of information or philosophy. Sure. there's Mein Kempf, but that's just a bunch of dull, yet bat-shit insane ramblings that has probably only ever been successfully read by one person since it was published.
To NS, life is just a word, so if it is going to value any word, it is going to value poontang.
NS hasn't got a prayer of getting the latter, so it may as well settle for the former, of which I am its only source.
Well, my school's Mac's Firefox does not spell check, so I am still correct. By why do I bother to argue with a Mac owner. You are an idiot, which is way you bought a Mac. You do not need your computer to make you feel like an idiot as reality does that frequently enough on its own.
No, you are just differently wrong. Now go polish your dog sled and spare us anymore of your Canadian foolishness.
On the note of intelligence: I thought about counting the number of grammatical mistakes in this post, but then I decided against it because I ran out of fingers and didn't want to remove my shoes in this cold weather. Just know this, even a spellchecker can't save you from the belief that "by" is a coordinating conjunction.

*knows what you want, but his photobucket is borked*

I want (http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Spammers.jpg) these (http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/HIjack.jpg), and especially this! (http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Notontopic.jpg)

You've been my elder for a long time, yet whose name is more immediately identifiable?


Fiddles', no question whatsoever. Well, unless we talk of people who have no right to talk of Good Ol' Days because they plain old haven't been around long enough for any such thing.

Blame that on the painful departure of Forrest.

Huh? Are you trying to say he wasn't a spammer par excellence?

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349436)'s a good example of why the "Good Old Days" weren't so good. It has lots of posts, too.

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349436)'s a good example of why the "Good Old Days" weren't so good. It has lots of posts, too.

That is horrifying. :(

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349436)'s a good example of why the "Good Old Days" weren't so good. It has lots of posts, too.

You're right.

Back in the day when stuff didn't get locked for "trolling".

Huh? Are you trying to say he wasn't a spammer par excellence?

No, no ... the opposite, actually.
Anywhere Forrest went, there was surely some engaging posts and humour, which is *usually* what spammers par excellence are shooting for, of sorts.

NS hasn't got a prayer of getting the latter, so it may as well settle for the former, of which I am its only source.Wrong. NS is taking its sister to the prom. She is a slut and will put out once you get a few shots of tequila in her. Read: Tequila makes her clothes fall off.

No, you are just differently wrong. Now go polish your dog sled and spare us anymore of your Canadian foolishness.I have a snow mobile, thank you very much.
On the note of intelligence: I thought about counting the number of grammatical mistakes in this post, but then I decided against it because I ran out of fingers and didn't want to remove my shoes in this cold weather. Just know this, even a spellchecker can't save you from the belief that "by" is a coordinating conjunction.I almost cared. Then I remembered that you are an English major.
BTW: What is a coordinating conjunction, and why should I care?
Fiddles', no question whatsoever. Well, unless we talk of people who have no right to talk of Good Ol' Days because they plain old haven't been around long enough for any such thing.
I am much cooler than Fiddlesticks. How many threads are there asking "Who/what the fuck is this Posi guy?" How many are there for ViolinTops?

I believe that speaks for itself.

Wrong. NS is taking its sister to the prom. She is a slut and will put out once you get a few shots of tequila in her. Read: Tequila makes her clothes fall off.


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Question is ... is NS's sister a spitter or an 11?

*pulls out walker*


I've been here since '03 (yes, it has been a long time) and the forums have changed.

I have to say, I personally preferred the old forums, they had a lot more personality and a lot more guesswork of whether or not your post would actually make it before the forum crashed for the 80th time that day. Also, it was a lot more personable. I felt like I could guage the personalities of the forumites, since the move to jolt, the forum has been a lot less personal for me.

It may just be nostalgia, but I seem to remeber the trolls and spammers of the old forum being way better at their jobs and the threads that were posted being a lot more interesting.


Also, anyone who joined after '05 began really should not be considering themselves an old timer. Wait for 4 years to pass and them reminisce or diss, whatever the style.


Sidenote: Fesit's newest album is titties.

It just occurred to me: the old posts are not locked up.

Wrong. There were a lot of purges back in the really old days. It was quite fun watching, say, Normack's post count drop by a few thousand posts.

First joined up in August '04, the only decline I can see is that more and more people seem to think this is /b/. Jesus people, this is not 4chan /b/. Stop taking the memes here, it hurts NSG and /b/.

It's true. NSG (heck, this account) predates 4chan by months. I'm more in favor of propagating our own in-jokes. This place used to have its own culture, and it's a shame to lose it entirely (although I can't argue with some of the mod rulings).

Also, Amerigo is a land of contrast.

A downward spiral and a cycle can look very similar.

Anyway, whether the quality of NS threads has gone down since I joined or not is heartily debatable, but it is objectively true that the quantity has gone down. Today, I see 4 pages (yeah, I'm sure you, personally, have reset the "Threads Per Page" and see a different amount, but I don't really care), and that is actually higher than usual. A couple years ago, seeing 6 or 7 wasn't unusual, and 5 would have been a slow day.

Indeed. For that matter, the threads are less entertaining as well. This may owe summat to DCD being gone, but also the fact that there are more terrobly serious posters only here to debate.

Also, anyone who joined after '05 began really should not be considering themselves an old timer. Wait for 4 years to pass and them reminisce or diss, whatever the style.


I agree, but:

1: I was not calling myself an old timer, but simply explaining what I have come to the conclusion about due to observation over several years.

2: My original nation was an '04 nation.

Wrong. NS is taking its sister to the prom. She is a slut and will put out once you get a few shots of tequila in her. Read: Tequila makes her clothes fall off.
NS is just deluding itself. NS knows that NS' sister will end up being gangbanged by the entire football team before 9 PM and left for unconscious on the Mens' Room floor while NS sits by the punch table and waits for her to get back from "powdering her nose and/or vagina."
II almost cared. Then I remembered that you are an English major.
BTW: What is a coordinating conjunction, and why should I care?
After the Revolution comes, I'll make you eat your words, nerdling. You and everyone else who mocked the glorious pro-literate.
A coordinating conjunction is a word that can unite two independent clauses, examples are: But, Or, Nor, So, and And. This is like 3rd Grade stuff, Posi.
I am much cooler than Fiddlesticks. How many threads are there asking "Who/what the fuck is this Posi guy?" How many are there for ViolinTops?

I believe that speaks for itself.
Yeah, and it says that nobody cares enough to start a thread about you. Or mention you in poll options. Or mention you in an OP.
How many times has someone said, "Where's that Posi guy been for the past month?"

Holy crap, on the eleventh it'll be my fourth year on this website. Anyway I was going to make some big post on my opinion on the subject, then I realized I could just just a simple semantic.

Before Before>Now>Before

Where now=Present
Before~2005
Before Before~2003-2004

I would explain this further but my memory tends to devote more space to relevant things.

NS is just deluding itself. NS knows that NS' sister will end up being gangbanged by the entire football team before 9 PM and left for unconscious on the Mens' Room floor while NS sits by the punch table and waits for her to get back from "powdering her nose and/or vagina."



While she's unconscious...
After the Revolution comes, I'll make you eat your words, nerdling. You and everyone else who mocked the glorious pro-literate.
A coordinating conjunction is a word that can unite two independent clauses, examples are: But, Or, Nor, So, and And. This is like 3rd Grade stuff, Posi.
What kind of revolution is the Revolution? Communist? Libertarian? Liberal Arts? Muppet?
Well, calling it a coordinating conjunction would just make people cry. We were really just told that it replaces the period.
Yeah, and it says that nobody cares enough to start a thread about you. Or mention you in poll options. Or mention you in an OP.
How many times has someone said, "Where's that Posi guy been for the past month?"That hurt my feelings. If you must say such mean things, please say them in lavender. Thank you.