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Alcohol IS more dangerous.
When is the last time that you heard that "Someone died of a pot overdose"?

According to the Southwestern Volume Library:

Psychoactive drugs are generally classified into five groups: depressants, stimulants, narcotics, hallucinogens, and cannabis.

"Depressants are drugs that interfere with synaptic transmissions and so decrease the level of the nervous system's activity. In mild doses, they produce feelings of relaxation and well-being. Larger doses, however, can lead to such conditions as psychological depression and, in extreme cases, to death. Use of depressants may lead to dependence, both physical and psychological addiction
Alcohol, barbiturates, and tranquilizers are the major depressants. They are by far the most widely used of psychoactive drugs, and they are the most frequently abused, a fact often overlooked because of their general social acceptability. While alcoholism remains the most serious and widespread of all forms of drug abuse, addiction to such tranquilizers as Vailum is far more common than is generally realized."
-Volume Library 2007, Volume I, Sec. 15, Pg. 12, Column I.

Skip on ahead to Cannabis:

"Cannabis, or marijuana, is a mild hallucinogen. It is now regularly used by an estimated 25 million Americans, particularly those of college age, and is estimated to have been tried by 25 million more.
Although various long-term effects have been suggested, none other than lung irritation has been conclusively established. Like alcohol, marijuana makes driving hazardous. In other respects, it is probably less dangerous than alcohol if used in moderation. Overdoses, particularly in inexperienced users, can cause anxiety, disorientation, and psychoses. The recent introduction of more potent forms of the drug may well introduce new hazards to its use."
-Volume Library 2007, Volume I, Sec. 15, Pg. 12, Column III.

The excessive use of red in the OP is more dangerous.

From personal experience, alcohol is more detrimental to a person's health than cannabis.

Alcohol by far

alcohol is far more dangerous. Its completely backwards to state pot should be illegal while alcohol is allowed. Whats the worst thing a pothead ever did? play video games and eat all the food out of the frig? so yeah, alcohol is more dangerous.

Word. I've had enough bad experiences with alcohol that I basically just don't drink anymore. I've only had one bad experience with pot, early on in my smoking career, and all it really did was teach me how to safely navigate through my own mind.

Word. I've had enough bad experiences with alcohol that I basically just don't drink anymore.

everyone has bad experiences with alcohol, especially when you first start drinking. Hell, I remember the 2nd time I ever drank I had about 12-13 beers not knowing how negatively it would effect me. Long story short, I passed out in the hotel lobby puking on myself with a hell of hangover the next day. You just have to learn how to drink better.

Neither. Worldwide usage of cannabis and alcohol will cause world peace.

Also, that argument that cannabis is too hard to regulate is pretty much bullshit. The market will regulate itself.

I would say that alcohol has greater damage potential than Marijuana given the rate of addiction associated with alcohol versus that of Marijuana.

I see lots of good points. Prohibition causes crime... remember?

Cannabis is only a gateway drug to other illicit because it IS illicit in the first place...

Also, Cannabis is (almost) totally harmless when ingested.

Neither. Worldwide usage of cannabis and alcohol will cause world peace.

Also, that argument that cannabis is too hard to regulate is pretty much bullshit. The market will regulate itself.

Why bring up the "market" at all?

alcohol, no question. it's certainly more dangerous to me anyway.

i like pot

Cannabis and Alcohol mixed with high explosives and set on fire.

Meh. I doubt either are a serious threat unless you're stupid enough to overdo it, except possibly lung cancer if the cannabis is smoked.

i like pot

pot likes you.

Alcohol, clearly. I should know, I drink a lot of it.

No contest. Alcohol is far more dangerous to human health than marijuana.

I fart in the general direction of the two people who voted cannabis.

Pot is dangerous as well.

Also, I know some people that are addicted to pot. They do nothing at all:

• They don’t work
• They don’t go outside and socialize

They only smoke pot.

I assume that alcohol is worse, but that doesn’t make pot harmless:

• Smoking pot could lead to mental illness.

• Research shows that kids who use marijuana in early adolescence are more likely to engage in risky behaviors that may put their futures in jeopardy, such delinquency; having multiple sexual partners; perceiving drugs as not harmful; and having more friends who exhibit deviant behavior.

• PET scans (a brain mapping method which allows scientists to visualize what is happening in the brain) of regular marijuana users show that marijuana may continue to impact the brain three or more days after use, particularly affecting motor coordination, memory and learning. According to two studies, marijuana use narrows the arteries in the brain, “similar to patients with high blood pressure and dementia” and may explain why memory tests are difficult for marijuana users. In addition, “chronic consumers of cannabis lose molecules called CB1 receptors in the brain’s arteries,” leading to blood flow problems in the brain which can cause memory loss, attention deficits, and impaired learning ability.” “Marijuana Affects Brain Long-Term Study Finds.” Reuters. 8 February 2005. Also, “Marijuana Affects Blood Vessels,” BBC News. 8 February 2005. “Marijuana Affects Blood Flow to Brain.” The Chicago Sun –Times. 8 February 2005; Querna, Elizabeth. “Pot Head.” US News and World Report. 8 February 2005.

• Teenagers who smoke pot weekly commit suicide three times more.


Some sources:
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/l/blnida07.htm
http://flaggman.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/marijuana-leads-to-psychosis/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Teenagers who smoke pot weekly commit suicide three times more.



Once is usually enough for most people...

Pot is dangerous as well.

Also, I know some people that are addicted to pot. They do nothing at all:

• They don’t work
• They don’t go outside and socialize

They only smoke pot.

I assume that alcohol is worse, but that doesn’t make pot harmless:

• Smoking pot could lead to mental illness.

• Research shows that kids who use marijuana in early adolescence are more likely to engage in risky behaviors that may put their futures in jeopardy, such delinquency; having multiple sexual partners; perceiving drugs as not harmful; and having more friends who exhibit deviant behavior.

• PET scans (a brain mapping method which allows scientists to visualize what is happening in the brain) of regular marijuana users show that marijuana may continue to impact the brain three or more days after use, particularly affecting motor coordination, memory and learning. According to two studies, marijuana use narrows the arteries in the brain, “similar to patients with high blood pressure and dementia” and may explain why memory tests are difficult for marijuana users. In addition, “chronic consumers of cannabis lose molecules called CB1 receptors in the brain’s arteries,” leading to blood flow problems in the brain which can cause memory loss, attention deficits, and impaired learning ability.” “Marijuana Affects Brain Long-Term Study Finds.” Reuters. 8 February 2005. Also, “Marijuana Affects Blood Vessels,” BBC News. 8 February 2005. “Marijuana Affects Blood Flow to Brain.” The Chicago Sun –Times. 8 February 2005; Querna, Elizabeth. “Pot Head.” US News and World Report. 8 February 2005.

• Teenagers who smoke pot weekly commit suicide three times more.


Some sources:
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/l/blnida07.htm
http://flaggman.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/marijuana-leads-to-psychosis/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Also, pot smokers are dangerous on the road. That being said, in response to the OP, alcohol.

Define danger.


If it means putting human life at risk, then both of them are 'dangerous'. Asking which is more dangerous is like asking if an AK-47 is more dangerous than a 9mm handgun, honestly. It's well and truly irrelevant, since they both will end up either killing you outright or leaving you often irreversibly damaged in some way.


I'm so tired of these drug heads whining how they can't get their pot legally. If you want your fix, why the hell should everyone conform to you? The desire to do stupid fricking things like Cannabis is what the problem is; not the drug itself. Odds are, if you need your fix of whatever shit you're taking, you could probably be devoting that time to something more productive and actually worth.

I'm so tired of these drug heads whining how they can't get their pot legally. If you want your fix, why the hell should everyone conform to you? The desire to do stupid fricking things like Cannabis is what the problem is; not the drug itself. Odds are, if you need your fix of whatever shit you're taking, you could probably be devoting that time to something more productive and actually worth.

What I do with my evening is my business and if I want to smoke pot in the evening why should I have to sneak around to buy some? It's no different than alcohol. The only true difference lies in with legal realm.

People who drink could be doing something more productive if you use your line of "logic".

Define danger.
dan·ger [deyn-jer]
–noun
1. liability or exposure to harm or injury; risk; peril.
2. an instance or cause of peril; menace.
3. Obsolete. power; jurisdiction; domain.


If it means putting human life at risk, then both of them are 'dangerous'. Asking which is more dangerous is like asking if an AK-47 is more dangerous than a 9mm handgun, honestly.
Yes.
It's well and truly irrelevant, since they both will end up either killing you outright or leaving you often irreversibly damaged in some way.
No. And you were doing so well.


I'm so tired of these drug heads whining how they can't get their pot legally. If you want your fix, why the hell should everyone conform to you?
Legalising marijuana doesn't wouldn't force anyone else to take it. I don't know why you need that explained to you.
The desire to do stupid fricking things like Cannabis is what the problem is; not the drug itself. Odds are, if you need your fix of whatever shit you're taking, you could probably be devoting that time to something more productive and actually worth.

If you want doing stupid things to be illegal then why the hell should everyone conform to you? If you want everyone to spend there time doing things you consider productive and worthwhile, why the hell should everyone cnoform to you?

I never saw a person who was high on pot beat someone to death. Come to think of it, I never saw a person high on pot do much of anything.

Pot is way, way more dangerous.

I can walk into a store up the road and buy 2 liters of bourbon and drink it on the way back to my place (walking, not driving) and sit around on my computer completely smashed and nobody will bug me about it.

One meager ounce of pot, in my place or not, puts me in prison.

Yes ... pot is far more dangerous ... especially to my freedom.

The excessive use of red in the OP is more dangerous.


The red text is what Jesus said.

I never saw a person who was high on pot beat someone to death. Come to think of it, I never saw a person high on pot do much of anything.


Besides getting suicide thoughts AND actually perform it.

If pot was THAT good, why is it forbidden in almost any country?

Would you fly Air Weed if you would know the pilot is sitting stoned in his cockpit?

If pot was THAT good, why is it forbidden in almost any country?


So is butt sex .... what's your point?

So is butt sex .... what's your point?

Butt sex isn't healthy ass well.

Or do you like a lobotomy arranged by a far-out stoned doctor?

Or take a haircut by someone who’s smoking pot permanently.

Would you fly Air Weed if you would know the pilot is sitting stoned in his cockpit?

That's just it, the pilot is sitting stoned in the cockpit, probably staring blissfully at a hangnail saying "way cool." The plane never gets off the ground because he/she is totally incapable of doing anything except proclaiming the coolness of the hangnail, the passenger compartment fills with secondhand smoke, everyone is happy or, at least, inert.

The drunk pilot is saying, "gedouda my way, asshole, I can fly this baby," He tries to take off and runs the plane into the control tower all while saying with confidence that he can "fly this baby." The plane still doesn't get off the ground, but people die, except for the pilot.

I'm not saying I'd fly in a plane with a stoner at the controls, but I do think a stoner is safer than a drunk.

I think cannibals are more dangerous.

Besides getting suicide thoughts AND actually perform it.

If pot was THAT good, why is it forbidden in almost any country?

Would you fly Air Weed if you would know the pilot is sitting stoned in his cockpit?

I'm one of the most active recreational users of pot on this forum and I've never had a single suicidal thought when I was high. Usually my thought pattern ventures off into the absurd with a dash of stupidity.

It's forbidden because of racist policies stemming from the America's attempt at curbing the influx of Mexican migrant workers during prohibition. It spread around the world due to the US war on drugs and because of religions that frown upon ingesting any kind of substance not permitted by God (in Islam, even alcohol is forbidden).

I would sooner get in a car with someone stoned than with someone who was drunk, and I've been in a car with someone who was drunk before, and I've been in a car with someone stoned.

I'm one of the most active recreational users of pot on this forum

Prove it!

I think cannibals are more dangerous.

Especially when they have the munchies.

I'm one of the most active recreational users of pot on this forum and I've never had a single suicidal thought when I was high. Usually my thought pattern ventures off into the absurd with a dash of stupidity.


So your own 'experience' is empirical evidence that weed is safe?

Want to bet it is not?


It's forbidden because of racist policies stemming from the America's attempt at curbing the influx of Mexican migrant workers during prohibition. It spread around the world due to the US war on drugs and because of religions that frown upon ingesting any kind of substance not permitted by God (in Islam, even alcohol is forbidden).

I would sooner get in a car with someone stoned than with someone who was drunk, and I've been in a car with someone who was drunk before, and I've been in a car with someone stoned.


First you said that you never had a single suicidal thought...

...now you're saying that you've been in a car with someone who was drunk and with another (or the same person) stoned...

Based on your own weed experiments we have empirical proof that smoking weed isn't safe at all.

Sober people don't act like that. They try everything what is possible to prevent that someone who's drunk or stoned is driving a car.

I think you lost your bet.

They try everything what is possible to prohibit that someone who's drunk or stoned driving a car.

Not if the results would be funny.

So your own 'experience' is empirical evidence that weed is safe?

Want to bet it is not?





First you said that you never had a single suicidal thought...

...now you're saying that you've been in a car with someone who was druk and with another (or the same person) stoned...


Based on your own weed expirement we have empirical proof that smoking weed isn't safe at all. Sober people don't act like that. They try everything what is possible to prohibit that someone who's drunk or stoned driving a car.

I think you lost your bet.

Ah but when I was in the car with someone drunk I had only been drinking. For for stoned, I wasn't at the time but my driver was still a little high.

Further, like it was pointed out by Cannot Think of a Name in the other pot thread, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. That's why I used it here. I'm showing that it doesn't equate to anything bad.

If it wasn't safe to smoke weed, or to be stoned for that matter, why would I have smoked it in a foreign city where I don't speak the local language? (Amsterdam). Why would someone unfamiliar with a foreign city smoke if it wasn't safe?

Further, there are plenty of LEGAL prescription drugs which fucked me up way worse than weed ever did.

Read up on Prednisone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prednisone) and then we'll talk. Read about the side effects. Tell me it's not worse than weed.

Having never experienced negative side effects from weed and really bad side effects from legal prescription meds I fail to see how weed is dangerous.

What’s worse?

Being raped by 2 people or by 4?

What’s worse?

Being raped by 2 people or by 4?

what's worse is not having any coherent connection at all to the last couple of posts.

what's worse is not having any coherent connection at all to the last couple of posts.

Coherency is overrated.

Come on...

Your comparing a drug for medical purposes with weed? Far out!

Well...radiation therapy for cancer patients is also showing some nasty side effects.

But it is sometimes their only road to survive...

...and I'm sure they will not cure from lung-cancer by SMOKING weed.




Short-term side effects of Prednisone

as with all glucocorticoids, include high blood glucose levels, especially in patients who already have diabetes mellitus or are on other medications that increase blood glucose (such as tacrolimus), and mineralocorticoid effects such as fluid retention (although it's worth noting however that the mineralcorticoid effects of prednisone are very minor, this is why it is not used in the management of adrenal insufficiency unless a more potent mineralocorticoid is administered concomitantly). Additional short-term side effects include insomnia, euphoria and rarely mania. Long-term side effects include Cushing's syndrome, weight gain, osteoporosis, glaucoma, type II diabetes mellitus, and depression upon withdrawal.

Ah but when I was in the car with someone drunk I had only been drinking. For for stoned, I wasn't at the time but my driver was still a little high.

Further, like it was pointed out by Cannot Think of a Name in the other pot thread, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. That's why I used it here. I'm showing that it doesn't equate to anything bad.

If it wasn't safe to smoke weed, or to be stoned for that matter, why would I have smoked it in a foreign city where I don't speak the local language? (Amsterdam). Why would someone unfamiliar with a foreign city smoke if it wasn't safe?

Further, there are plenty of LEGAL prescription drugs which fucked me up way worse than weed ever did.

Read up on Prednisone and then we'll talk. Read about the side effects. Tell me it's not worse than weed.

Having never experienced negative side effects from weed and really bad side effects from legal prescription meds I fail to see how weed is dangerous.

Come on...

Your comparing a drug for medical purposes with weed? Far out!

Well...radiation therapy for cancer patients is also showing some nasty side effects.

But it is sometimes their only road to survive...

...and I'm sure they will not cure from lung-cancer by SMOKING weed.




Short-term side effects of Prednisone

as with all glucocorticoids, include high blood glucose levels, especially in patients who already have diabetes mellitus or are on other medications that increase blood glucose (such as tacrolimus), and mineralocorticoid effects such as fluid retention (although it's worth noting however that the mineralcorticoid effects of prednisone are very minor, this is why it is not used in the management of adrenal insufficiency unless a more potent mineralocorticoid is administered concomitantly). Additional short-term side effects include insomnia, euphoria and rarely mania. Long-term side effects include Cushing's syndrome, weight gain, osteoporosis, glaucoma, type II diabetes mellitus, and depression upon withdrawal.

It has been demonstrated, scientifically, that weed is a medically useful drug. It reduces the pressure in the eyes of glaucoma patients, it reduces nausea in people taking chemotherapy for various cancers and advanced hepatitis - it's cheap and easy to produce and the side effects are less unpleasant and dangerous than other drugs used for the same purposes - it's really no wonder that the pharmaceutacal companies don't want it legalized.

pot likes you.

In Soviet Russia it does

Or do you like a lobotomy arranged by a far-out stoned doctor?

Or take a haircut by someone who’s smoking pot permanently.
The trolling is cute and all, but really not necessary.

Come on...

Your comparing a drug for medical purposes with weed? Far out!

Well...radiation therapy for cancer patients is also showing some nasty side effects.

But it is sometimes their only road to survive...

...and I'm sure they will not cure from lung-cancer by SMOKING weed.

I'm sure you've never experienced the effects of having your face swell up or your body suddenly get bloated from meds or being unable to sleep because of hot flashes brought on because your body temperature is increased, or back pain that makes it hard to sleep or having your vision blur so you can't read or focus properly.

The swelling in the face impeded on my vision because it pushed my glasses up in addition to blurring my vision.

I lacked sleep.

My doctor took me off the meds because they were so bad.

Tell me, have you ever had to take something that messed with your vision? It's not fun; it induced migraine headaches.

Or stretching. Not fun either. Even when the dosage was reduced, I still got stretch marks. They're not going away. They keep multiplying.

The same meds also messed with my menstrual cycle despite that birth control pills make the cycle VERY regulated.

Or having to try and be patient when it increased my restlessness. Yes, hyperactivity is never fun and results in one doing or saying something incredibly stupid.

On top of which, it's an immunal suppressant so it made me vulnerable to infections. What fun. This is the second immunal suppressant I've been on and both times I got sick. This doesn't help make one better when one get sick while taking a med for a separate condition.

One such immunal suppressant massively reduced appetite and caused nausea. It was weed that made me able to take the med because it suppressed the nausea. It had a beneficial use.

Yet... weed has not done anything really bad. The only time I regretted using weed was when I had a drink on New Years Eve; never mix alcohol and weed. By themselves they're fine but together, mixing two downers is never good.

The danger around weed comes in when people mix substances; when they engage in activities that may not have been entirely safe to begin with or they are pre-dispositioned due to genetics to suffer from a form of psychosis (which is also increased in left-handed people).

Weed is not physically addictive like alcohol or tobacco. It can be mentally addictive but the rates are low. It's easy enough to follow the propaganda spouted by the War on Drugs machine. It doesn't require thought.

Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

Experiences with Cannabis (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Cannabis.shtml) - this is a collection of various types of experience with the drug.

More people go to jail every year for simple possesion of marijuana in the US than for anything else. Jail is the main danger one faces from marijuana.

More people go to jail every year for simple possesion of marijuana in the US than for anything else. Jail is the main danger one faces from marijuana.
Welcome to NSG.

Something that bugs me about this thread. Which is more dangerous in my opinion? That's an incredibly dumb question. My opinion should not outweigh empirical evidence.

That's like asking my opinion of what the temperature is. I can guess, but the only way to know for sure is to measure.

Something that bugs me about this thread. Which is more dangerous in my opinion? That's an incredibly dumb question. My opinion should not outweigh empirical evidence.

That's like asking my opinion of what the temperature is. I can guess, but the only way to know for sure is to measure.
Well, it's always interesting to see if common opinion matches up with empirical reality.

On the important topics of the day in my country, empirical reality is generally the polar opposite of what the "common wisdom" says.

Something that bugs me about this thread. Which is more dangerous in my opinion? That's an incredibly dumb question. My opinion should not outweigh empirical evidence.

That's like asking my opinion of what the temperature is. I can guess, but the only way to know for sure is to measure.

But don't we live in a world where what we think trumps hard facts?

Well, it's always interesting to see if common opinion matches up with empirical reality.

On the important topics of the day in my country, empirical reality is generally the polar opposite of what the "common wisdom" says.

It's so sadly true. My favorite example is mayonaise. It doesn't need to be refrigerated. Doctors always spread that fun fact on the nightly news. No one believes them, despite all evidence to the contrary. I've eaten mayonaise sandwiched in front of people made of mayonaise that I've never refridgerated. They still refuse to believe it.

I should also mention, I'm suffering badly from insomnia. So it's quite possible nothing I say will make sense.

It's so sadly true. My favorite example is mayonaise. It doesn't need to be refrigerated. Doctors always spread that fun fact on the nightly news. No one believes them, despite all evidence to the contrary. I've eaten mayonaise sandwiched in front of people made of mayonaise that I've never refridgerated. They still refuse to believe it.

I should also mention, I'm suffering badly from insomnia. So it's quite possible nothing I say will make sense.

I read that as saying that you eat in front of "people made of mayonaise" who you've never refridgerated :p

After reading though this whole thread I can only come to one conclusion.

Both are equally dangerious.

Both are equally Addicting.

Both are regularly abused by millions of people.

and people who are addicted to them will always try to rationalize their use of either substance.

After reading though this whole thread I can only come to one conclusion.

Both are equally dangerious.

Both are equally Addicting.

Both are regularly abused by millions of people.

and people who are addicted to them will always try to rationalize their use of either substance.
And this is why you shouldn't base your views on what you read from internet forums.

It's so sadly true. My favorite example is mayonaise. It doesn't need to be refrigerated. Doctors always spread that fun fact on the nightly news. No one believes them, despite all evidence to the contrary. I've eaten mayonaise sandwiched in front of people made of mayonaise that I've never refridgerated. They still refuse to believe it.
can you cite the source for this?

I think it depends on what the exact ratio of ingrediants in Mayo.

And this is why you shouldn't base your views on what you read from internet forums.

Edit: Hit the return button before I was finished. :p

are you saying that Marjiuana and alcohol are NOT addicting?

Both are not Abused?

and people don't rationalize their use?

Edit: Hit the return button before I was finished. :p

are you saying that Marjiuana and alcohol are NOT addicting?

Physiologically speaking, no. But then, that's not what you said.


Both are not Abused?

Again, not what you said.


and people don't rationalize their use?
Again, not what you said.

Here's what I think is really cute, and also blatantly dishonest:

You said, "Both are equally dangerous." and "Both are equally Addicting."

Yet suddenly a key word from those sentences has vanished from your reply to me!

Probably because you know that there is a mountain of evidence showing that, in fact, marijuana and alcohol are not equally dangerous, nor can their addictive properties be legitimately equated. The reason you probably know this is that it's one of the points you encountered many times as you read this thread.

You also said, "people who are addicted to them will always try to rationalize their use of either substance."

Again a key word is missing in your reply to me. (Hint: the word is "always.")

Just out of curiosity, do you attribute your blatantly dishonest behavior to your sobriety, or do you think you'd be equally disingenuous if you were a drunk?

can you cite the source for this?

I think it depends on what the exact ratio of ingrediants in Mayo.

Mah stomach for one.

Dr. Dean Edell talks about it all the time on his radio show and I believe it's in his second book. It's also one of those fun facts you'll see on the nightly news medical segment. Some concerned kid will call up/write in in a panic because grandma refuses to refridgerate her mayo.

A gogole search just turns up a bunch of stuff random people believe.

So no. Neither way actally. Unless you want to believe the random answers on "yahoo answers."

After reading though this whole thread I can only come to one conclusion.

Both are equally dangerious.

Both are equally Addicting.

Both are regularly abused by millions of people.

and people who are addicted to them will always try to rationalize their use of either substance.

Stoners are a lot less bother to the rest of us than drunks are however. And if you factor that in, alcohol is clearly the worse of the two substances.

Mah stomach for one.

Dr. Dean Edell talks about it all the time on his radio show and I believe it's in his second book. It's also one of those fun facts you'll see on the nightly news medical segment. Some concerned kid will call up/write in in a panic because grandma refuses to refridgerate her mayo.

A gogole search just turns up a bunch of stuff random people believe.

So no. Neither way actally. Unless you want to believe the random answers on "yahoo answers."

Yah, well the side of the hellmans jar says: "refrigerate after opening". I think I'll take their advice over some radio doctor.

Yah, well the side of the hellmans jar says: "refrigerate after opening". I think I'll take their advice over some radio doctor.

And oddly enough grandma and grandpa never get sick from their mayonaise they store in the pantry. Pickles say to refrigerate them after opening as do jalapenos. Reason? They get squishy when they aren't refrigerated. It has nothing to do with the safety. The lemon juice and vinegar makes mayo an unhospitible place for buggies to live. Fun with pertri dishes proves this. But then again. You just prove my point.

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/foodsci/ext/pubs/picnic.html

. Mayonnaise alone is too acidic for bacteria to grow in it.

http://www.giantfood.com/wellness/wellness_newsletter_display.htm?id=31
iDoes mayonnaise increase the risk that food will go bad? No. Commercial mayonnaise does not increase the risk of food spoilage or risk of illness.

And oddly enough grandma and grandpa never get sick from their mayonaise they store in the pantry. Pickles say to refrigerate them after opening as do jalapenos. Reason? They get squishy when they aren't refrigerated. It has nothing to do with the safety. The lemon juice and vinegar makes mayo an unhospitible place for buggies to live. Fun with pertri dishes proves this. But then again. You just prove my point.

Pickles and such I never refrigerate. However, homemade mayonnaise can definitely go bad. So it's not that hard to see where the caution comes from.

Physiologically speaking, no. But then, that's not what you said.

Again, not what you said.

Again, not what you said.

Here's what I think is really cute, and also blatantly dishonest:

You said, "Both are equally dangerous." and "Both are equally Addicting."

Yet suddenly a key word from those sentences has vanished from your reply to me!

Probably because you know that there is a mountain of evidence showing that, in fact, marijuana and alcohol are not equally dangerous, nor can their addictive properties be legitimately equated. The reason you probably know this is that it's one of the points you encountered many times as you read this thread.
no I said both are equally addicting. that doesn't mean they are addicting in the same way. only that both have a strong hold on their user. the proof? it's illegal yet how many millions of people risk arrest to get their THP high?

Both are equally dangerious. and my fault, I don't equate Dangerous as Life Threatening, but something that can negatively impact one's life style.

Both are equally abused by their users.

and both have their users always rationalizing their use. (and this is not including legitamate medical reasons.)

And oddly enough grandma and grandpa never get sick from their mayonaise they store in the pantry. Pickles say to refrigerate them after opening as do jalapenos. Reason? They get squishy when they aren't refrigerated. It has nothing to do with the safety. The lemon juice and vinegar makes mayo an unhospitible place for buggies to live. Fun with pertri dishes proves this. But then again. You just prove my point.

Read something somewhere that said, if you didn't refridgerate the mayo ever, then it's ok to store in the pantry. but once you do refridgerate it, then it will spoil. *looking for the source.*

dan·ger [deyn-jer]
–noun
1. liability or exposure to harm or injury; risk; peril.
2. an instance or cause of peril; menace.
3. Obsolete. power; jurisdiction; domain.

Touche'.




No. And you were doing so well.

Hm, let's see... memory impairment, dementia... yeah, you're right. No permanent damage at all. Nah. Alcohol kills off brain cells, but I do believe that and other long-term effects are quite obvious.

Legalising marijuana doesn't wouldn't force anyone else to take it. I don't know why you need that explained to you.

That doesn't make it acceptable, and that doesn't mean people should outright demand people supply them their drug.

If you want doing stupid things to be illegal then why the hell should everyone conform to you? If you want everyone to spend there time doing things you consider productive and worthwhile, why the hell should everyone cnoform to you?

Because getting high on pot affects me. If your brain is fried because you're retarded enough to take a drug for the sake of getting your fix (For clarification: this implies it is not medically necessary for you to smoke it) then why should I and the rest of the general populace suffer if you are even so much as driving or anything else that puts you in society, thereby putting everyone else at risk.

As well, being productive and doing worthwhile things [i]is never a bad idea/i]. Bad argument that one, mostly because you can even take a break efficiently and productively, whereas if you're high as a kite you contribute nothing but risk to everyone around you.

I'm stunned, STUNNED, that so far 19 people chose either 'cannabis' or 'both, equally'. j/k, nothing on NSG can shock me.

Because getting high on pot affects me. If your brain is fried because you're retarded enough to take a drug for the sake of getting your fix (For clarification: this implies it is not medically necessary for you to smoke it) then why should I and the rest of the general populace suffer if you are even so much as driving or anything else that puts you in society, thereby putting everyone else at risk.

As well, being productive and doing worthwhile things [i]is never a bad idea/i]. Bad argument that one, mostly because you can even take a break efficiently and productively, whereas if you're high as a kite you contribute nothing but risk to everyone around you.

How is me coming home after school/work and smoking before I go to sleep harming anyone? I'm not going out driving while high, I don't go to work high, I don't go to classes high. I'm sober throughout the day until I can relax and then smoke. How is that harming you?

How is me coming home after school/work and smoking before I go to sleep harming anyone? I'm not going out driving while high, I don't go to work high, I don't go to classes high. I'm sober throughout the day until I can relax and then smoke. How is that harming you?

Because pot turns you into a sex addict and a criminal with a masturbation problem.


*nods*

I don't think either are very dangerous.

Take into account that the effects of both cannabis and alcohol differ widely whether you use it in moderation or in excess. I don't know the long term effects of cannabis, but I do know about alcohol. Brain damage and liver damage requires a lot of alcohol. Alcoholics abuse alcohol so much that their liver can't handle it and their brain starts to asplode. Moderation allows both your brain and your liver to cope, as your liver is an extremely capable organ. Alcohol benefits (I got this from one of those small side articles in Popular Science, I believe) make a J curve, with the left at nondrinkers, the bottom at light to moderate drinkers, and the right at alcoholics. Alcohol relieves hypertension and has cardiovascular benefits, and is an important aspect of culture for many people. I assume that marijuana benefits have a similar J curve. It all depends on the responsibility of the user, and judging at the large number of both admitted users of alcohol and cannabis still posting on nationstates, I assume that they are responsible enough to use both alcohol and cannabis in a way that allows you to actually (i'm not kidding, really) Function in society.

You shouldn't be allowed to smoke pot in any public place for the same reason you are not allowed to drink or smoke in most places. It disturbs other people physically.

How is me coming home after school/work and smoking before I go to sleep harming anyone? I'm not going out driving while high, I don't go to work high, I don't go to classes high. I'm sober throughout the day until I can relax and then smoke. How is that harming you?

Ahem, preach it! Well put.

The only thing that is keeping it dangerous is gross misinformation produced by the war on drugs propaganda machine and the fact that it's illegal in most parts. If accurate information was available and the drug itself was at least decriminalised, there would be less of a problem. If people had access to proper information they could make educated choices instead of gambling on it.

The sky didn't fall when pot was decriminalised in the Netherlands.

Ahem, preach it! Well put.

The only thing that is keeping it dangerous is gross misinformation produced by the war on drugs propaganda machine and the fact that it's illegal in most parts. If accurate information was available and the drug itself was at least decriminalised, there would be less of a problem. If people had access to proper information they could make educated choices instead of gambling on it.

The sky didn't fall when pot was decriminalised in the Netherlands.

Where I live in NYS, possession of pot under 25g is semi-decriminalized, with the first offense being just a $50 fine (it's handled similar to traffic tickets).

So even in the US, there are places where small amounts are (some what) decriminalized, and yet there doesn't seem to be any problems with it around here.

Both have positive effects and both have potentially negative and very negative effects. Alcohol, at the moment, is the more dangerous of the two because it is more a socially acceptable drug and is completely legal in most places, thus its use is much more widespread and the media will tend to focus on the effects of alcohol rather than the use of it (unless it's doing some kind of expose[with the little accent thing over the e] on someone famous' alcoholism). Cannabis, on the other hand, is neither legal, nor widely socially accepted. Furthermore, many people go to some lengths to hide the fact that they're using it. Thus, at present, it's not as dangerous nor are its effects as commonly reported on as its use.

One of the key things to remember is that both (and all) drugs effect people in different ways. Moderated, intelligent use of either is more or less perfectly safe (in the short-term, anyways) and either one has the potential for abuse and dangerous side-effects and after-effects. You CAN overdose on cannabis, though it would take a hell of a lot (15-20 marijuana cigarettes if I remember correctly). Smoking it wouldn't lead to OD typically because the user would be overwhelmed by the urge to eat a twinkie and go to sleep before being able to smoke that much. Ingesting it, however, and using THC in relatively more purified forms (a la hashish, honeyoil, etc.) carries with it a rather serious risk of overdose, as you CAN consume enough to be lethal in these cases.

This is especially true of ingestion, as the effects typically take much longer to "kick in" when ingested, and an ingested amount (properly prepared) comparable to the amount you might normally smoke has much more significant effect on your body. Thus, when ingesting, one is prone to eating, say, a brownie or two, being disappointed that he or she isn't feeling anything, and then eat a brownie or two or three or four more, only to meet with a very uncomfortable, but probably not life-threatening, experience. Even if a lethal dose isn't consumed, many people tend to panic if something "doesn't feel right," which can lead to rash decision-making and indirectly result in death.

The bottom line is that, in an ideal world, all drugs and alcohol would be legal and everyone would know how best to handle them and how their bodies react to their use in their many, many different forms. That is, unfortunately, not the case.

For reference, I drink copious amounts of booze (responsibly) and, when work permits, don't mind having a hit or two.

I'm voting cannabis but alcohol isn't the best thing on Earth either although a few ounces a day is good for you and your heart. Mostly red wine but I've heard it could really be any one drink (i.e. a glass of wine, not a barrel of it) although wine is preferred.

i'd say alcohol. and i voted that way, too.

alcohol is more harmful to other people, as well as being at least equally as harmful (if not more harmful) to one's own body as smoking cannabis is; an opinion based on personal research.

with these two relatively mild drugs, moderation and personal responsibility is the key. but when one goes beyond moderation, alcohol is - without a doubt in my mind - the more harmful of the two. when was the last time you heard of people beating the shit out of someone while they were high, for starters?

From personal experience: I've seen more people wasting theirs lifes and getting psychotic from cannabis then from alcohol. Maybe it's because I know people who wake up and then start to smoke and I only know people who use alcohol when there are more people involved (ie. a social setting).

And over here both are legal, mind you :)

What type of cannabis are we talking about? Is it just the smoking kind or all forms?

What type of cannabis are we talking about? Is it just the smoking kind or all forms?

I'd assume it's all different kinds, figuring as we're comparing it to alcohol, and not a specific beverage.

I've seen alcohol ruin far more lives and families.

alcohol - http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Alcohol
marijuana - http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Cannabis

These two articles should explain everything.:D

Question: Do animals consume marijuana? I know that they consume alcohol.

Question: Do animals consume marijuana? I know that they consume alcohol.

i should imagine so. it grows wild in many parts of the world.

but, iirc, humans are the only animals with THC receptors in the brain, meaning other animals may eat it, but we're the only ones who get high.

Question: Do animals consume marijuana? I know that they consume alcohol.

Well, as a teenager, 20 years ago, I was smoking weed rather often.

One day, together with some friends, we were stoned and my cat was in a mood to play and so was I...

I locked him in a carton box, created a hole in the top, inhaled from my joint pretty hard and blew the smoke through the hole...

I did this 10 times more and then the cat freaked out...

When I removed the box, he was clearly stoned: he was hunting an invisible mouse, had coordination problems and suffered from food kicks... :)

He didn’t like it. The next time, I took my weed, he saw and recognize it, he ran away and returned after 3 days :)

The health effects of weed is something that is worthy of debate, and you can say it is dangerous, but to say it is more dangerous than alcohol is just damn stupid.

Alcohol kills more people than cannabis - drunk driving, liver cancer, epatitis, heart failures...

Only 2 things in favour of alcohol:
1.In western culture, we (should) know how to avoid the abuse of alcohol, just like South American indigenous populations (should) know how to avoid the abuse of coca. That is, cultural factor.
2.Alcoholic drinks usually taste and smell better than cannabis. Piedmontese wine überpwns Amsterdam cannabis.

i should imagine so. it grows wild in many parts of the world.

but, iirc, humans are the only animals with THC receptors in the brain, meaning other animals may eat it, but we're the only ones who get high.

I don't think so...

http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/toxbrief_0602.pdf?docID=101&AddInterest=1101

I'd assume it's all different kinds, figuring as we're comparing it to alcohol, and not a specific beverage.

I thought so. Considering all types significantly changes my answer.

Welcome to NSG.

Thanks. :)

Good discussions here. I'm glad that I found this site.

Neither are dangerous, people are.

i like pot

Cannabis is my national currency, created from my dream that people should be able to smoke paper money and get high off of it if they have any left over.

Though in FSA, weed itself in the form of leaves is itself currency, it's not branded or anything. It is the equivelant to gold. If only the FFSA was real, it'd be the happiest nation on Earth.

When is the last time that you heard that "Someone died of a pot overdose"?

A teacher at my school who just retired once said that. Of course, you can't absorb enough when smoking to cause an OD.

Neither are dangerous, people are.

What are you...a comedian?