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http://www.foxnews.com/

I love it how their first headline is a big:

He's Here...



and i like the picture too :D

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/092307_Ahmadinejad06.jpg

OMGFTW!!

I'm skipping school tomorrow to meet him! http://www.irankicks.com/ikboard/images/smilies/iran1.gif

And the point of the thread is....

none as this is an occeandrive thread

And the point of the thread is....

none as this is an occeandrive threadIts about AhmedJihad coming to America.. and the reactions.

fun fun

Its about AhmedJihad coming to America.. and the reactions.

fun fun

As I said...no point. Alwell. He's here, who gives a damn.

As I said...no point. Alwell. He's here, who gives a damn.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537894

Isn't lying a sin?

Huh, I didn't even know he was going to America. Shows how much I've been following the news in general. :/

I just tried to read my way through Fox's report on Ahmadinejad giving a talk at Columbus.
This is what Fox thinks passes 'fair and balanced' reporting?
Using phrases such as, "firestorm of controversy", "America’s avowed enem(y)", "leader of a nation that exports terrorism",
Great example of impartial reporting and journalistic integrity there. Oh my, yes.

You might be bringing down a curse on Mr. A by comparing him to Elvis.

You know Elvis is dead, right?

Bann-ed, but you should know that the King will always Return, as shown in LOTR: Return of the King!

You might be bringing down a curse on Mr. A by comparing him to Elvis.

You know Elvis is dead, right?The CIA has payed me 1million$ to curse Mr.A to dead.. thats how desperate they are.
:D

You You know Elvis is dead, right?

No he isn't, he works in the chip shop round the corner!:D

Awww... don't have TV... wake me up when bombs are falling...

EDIT: My first thread steal! Three-minute time warp!

Ahmadenijad is about to speak and the crowd will rip him apart. They panned out to the crowd and half of them have to be wearing kippot.

Bollinger is ripping him in the introduction for not giving women rights, Holocaust denial, wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and not allowing the freedom of speech that allows him to appear.

any major news station most likely...\

So it was all a ploy? Like he invited Ahmadinejad just to shame him? Nasty...

Edit: Yes, now it's a four-minute timewarp... extra four minutes? I wish this would happen so I can have more time studying...

Bollinger said in his opening that he doubted Ahmadinejad would have the courage or honesty to answer his questions and criticisims. Looks like Bollinger was 100% right. Ahmadinejad is just talking shit out of the side of his mouth right now. He is making no sense. I think Fred Phelps can make more sense than this buffoon.

He's talking about religious/non scholars shedding light on things and about humans being left in ignorance if it wasn't for these people....I'm waiting for the questioning to start up

I don't think he's one to talk about not having a heart full of hatred or being ignorant and such either..denying the holocaust...and all

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.

"Hi, is that the fire department? Yeah... this is a heads up..."

The idea that people would deny that that kind of suffering ever happened sickens me, and if that makes me a Zionist, go get me David's Flag...

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.
I think it can be concluded that you are a damn fool or anti-Semite since you seem to be questioning the Holocaust. The Germans took very meticulous records of everything they did. They didn't expect to lose the war so they didn't fear prosecution for what they did.

Go review the documents yourself. They are widely available.

Wow you've reached a new level of ignorance for NSG...

Your point C is very comical though...

And most muslims I know or have talked to don't deny the holocaust..the only logical point you made was point B. you just said it wrong

If he wants to look like an ignorant fool then its his right to...I fully agree with you on that one

Wow you've reached a new level of ignorance for NSG...

Your point C is very comical though.

It is comical in a way that the poster made a dumb statement, but it isn't comical in the sense that people like him are dumb enough to deny the Holocaust.

Judaism is a religion and a nation, nothing more. I'm entitled to question, even hate if I so choose the Jews if I so wish.

Just like I hate Christians, pagans, Buddhists, etc.

Just like I hate the Japanease, Europe, etc.

So you're entitled to be a moron and deny what is established historical fact because you lack the brain capacity to comprehend basic facts?

Thats what i was getting at...

He must get his info from Hamas and Zionist News vids off youtube...some of them have catchy music I'll give em that much...and it would surely be enough to keep the attention of someone as Ignorant as he is

So you're entitled to be a moron and deny what is established historical fact because you lack the brain capacity to comprehend basic facts?

thats one of the bad things about the Human race beating natural selection...theres no way to thin the herd

thats one of the bad things about the Human race beating natural selection...theres no way to thin the herd

This thread will sink lower once AP, UB, and OD enter it. Why can't they just hang out in stormfront?

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.

OK, now you have convinced me, I mean with amazing logic like that how can anyone believe the holocaust was serious!? I also think the earth is flat, I mean look at a field, do you see it curving? Nope? Then the world is flat!

:rolleyes:

thats one of the bad things about the Human race beating natural selection...theres no way to thin the herd
May I be the first to point out the irony in denouncing the holocaust, then wishing a large part of the human race be annihilated due to their mental capacity.

This thread will sink lower once AP, UB, and OD enter it. Why can’t they just hang out in stormfront?
Because, AFAIK, although they may have ridiculous and sometimes harmful views, they aren’t white supremicists?

Dunno AP's ignorance cracks me up though....anyways back on topic...nice question dodging there about the supporting terrorism bit

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

what

Dunno AP's ignorance cracks me up though....anyways back on topic...nice question dodging there about the supporting terrorism bit

I love how he refused to answer the question from Bollinger and thought he would trap him by answering his question wity a yes/no answer. Bollinger answered yes and made Ahmadinejad look like a fool.

May I be the first to point out the irony in denouncing the holocaust, then wishing a large part of the human race be annihilated due to their mental capacity.

Indeed. Sadly I was too slow...guess its the chop for me!

May I be the first to point out the irony in denouncing the holocaust, then wishing a large part of the human race be annihilated due to their mental capacity.


Because, AFAIK, although they may have ridiculous and sometimes harmful views, they aren’t white supremicists?

Um lets see Holocaust... millions killed for religious beliefs...political beliefs....sexual preference....ethnicity...being deformed

Then theres not surviving because you're an idiot and walk into traffic...

No connections there unless you think completely illogically....and/or are a complete moron

I wasn't referring to the mentally handicapped and such if thats what you're getting at...

Judaism is a religion and a nation, nothing more. I'm entitled to question, even hate if I so choose the Jews if I so wish.

Just like I hate Christians, pagans, Buddhists, etc.

Just like I hate the Japanease, Europe, etc.

LAWL you hate the Buddhists? Wow. I mean, wow. How the hell do you hate a Buddhist? That's some tricky shit.

"Peace be with you, my brother."
"I hate you! Go to fuck!"
"May your days be joyous and your nights festive."

May I be the first to point out the irony in denouncing the holocaust, then wishing a large part of the human race be annihilated due to their mental capacity.


Because, AFAIK, although they may have ridiculous and sometimes harmful views, they aren’t white supremicists?

Personally I think the holocaust was terrible, but logically and objectively I know there are way too many humans in the world. I would mourn the loss, but acknowledge the need, for three-billion or so humans to suddenly die.

what

I didn't get that part either...

Leave Ahmadinejad Alone!!!! Leave Him Alone!!!





:D

I didn't get that part either...

I don't think there was anything rational in that post to begin with.

Judaism is a religion and a nation, nothing more. I'm entitled to question, even hate if I so choose the Jews if I so wish.

Just like I hate Christians, pagans, Buddhists, etc.

Just like I hate the Japanease, Europe, etc.
Judaism isn't a nation at all... it's a religion. Israel is the nation that claims to be a Jewish. Seperate things there.

Oh, also, you get today's SLOW CLAP FROM YOOTOPIA AWARD.

OMG ROFLMAO!!!

He just said there are no homosexuals in Iran. I'm certain his next statement will be there are no women in Iran.

Lol.
They don't have homosexuals in Iran, apparently.

I was Loling at that and the post about hating Buddhists that is some Fucked up stuff..

Yes no butt buddies in Iran....he doesn't know who told them that lol...what is this school yard gossip?

I was Loling at that and the post about hating Buddhists that is some Fucked up stuff

What is funnier? That poster's ignorant statement or Ahmadinejad's "We have no homosexuals in Iran"?

Um lets see Holocaust... millions killed for religious beliefs...political beliefs....sexual preference....ethnicity...being deformed

Then theres not surviving because you’re an idiot and walk into traffic...
So you do believe (a form of) natural selection exists?

I’m not comparing the Holocaust and natural selection to see what’s worse, merely pointing out you seemed a bit miffed stupid people aren’t dead. Which is circling around Social ‘Darwinism’ if you ask me, one of the many silly ideas that NSDAP and others believed; something that any opponent of the Holocaust would abhor, presumably.

No connections there unless you think completely illogically....and/or are a complete moron
No need to get tetchy. No need to flamebait.

I wasn’t referring to the mentally handicapped and such if thats what you’re getting at...
No, I wasn’t.

I don't know both were pretty funny that mock convo

"Peace be with you, my brother."
"I hate you! Go to fuck!"
"May your days be joyous and your nights festive."

Lol

LAWL you hate the Buddhists? Wow. I mean, wow. How the hell do you hate a Buddhist? That’s some tricky shit.
Not that I hate Buddhists, or any other member of a religion because they are a member of said religion, but history of Buddhism is as bloody as any other major religion. Many have been killed in the name of Buddhism; see the history of India, China and Japan, for example.

Personally I think the holocaust was terrible, but logically and objectively I know there are way too many humans in the world. I would mourn the loss, but acknowledge the need, for three-billion or so humans to suddenly die.
Hmmm.

I would regard the adaptation of Western lifestyles to a more sustainable pattern as a better solution.

So you do believe (a form of) natural selection exists?

I’m not comparing the Holocaust and natural selection to see what’s worse, merely pointing out you seemed a bit miffed stupid people aren’t dead. Which is circling around Social ‘Darwinism’ if you ask me, one of the many silly ideas that NSDAP and others believed; something that any opponent of the Holocaust would abhor, presumably.


No need to get tetchy. No need to flamebait.


No, I wasn’t.

Wasn't trying to...those would be the only logical reasons as to why anyone would try and draw a connection between the two the "you" i used wasn't used at you specifically it applied for all people

Great now he's inviting people to Iran..of course unless you're a homosexual because they don't have those in Iran

Don't waste your time with Arachnist, he's a troll who's defending child abuse in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539088) thread.

Not that I hate Buddhists, or any other member of a religion because they are a member of said religion, but history of Buddhism is as bloody as any other major religion. Many have been killed in the name of Buddhism; see the history of India, China and Japan, for example.


Hmmm.

I would regard the adaptation of Western lifestyles to a more sustainable pattern as a better solution.

It's not so much a problem with HOW we're living, just that we're running out of fucking room. With 7 billion creeping up on us, we're struggling in all areas of life, and I simply believe that with three or four billion of us gone, it would generally fix many things just by having that done.

That, or we can colonize and terraform another planet. Either way.

I don't know both were pretty funny that mock convo

"Peace be with you, my brother."
"I hate you! Go to fuck!"
"May your days be joyous and your nights festive."

Lol

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

Beat the children!...

No Jk...I didn't plan on waisting anymore time with him...his posts make for a good laugh though

It’s not so much a problem with HOW we’re living, just that we’re running out of fucking room. With 7 billion creeping up on us, we’re struggling in all areas of life, and I simply believe that with three or four billion of us gone, it would generally fix many things just by having that done.
It wouldn’t fix anything if the three or four billion left kept living like we in the West do; just postpone the problem for later.

I understand that you aren’t calling for the death of half of Terra’s human inhabitants (or are you... :p) but folks simply disappearing wouldn’t solve anything.

It's not so much a problem with HOW we're living, just that we're running out of fucking room. With 7 billion creeping up on us, we're struggling in all areas of life, and I simply believe that with three or four billion of us gone, it would generally fix many things just by having that done.


We're not running out of room, and would be hard pressed to do so even with a population far above what we have today. The problem's that way too many people are concentrated in areas incapable of supporting them; if you distribute population more efficiently, you can support a lot more people. The main problem is that underdeveloped areas lack the productive base, legislative framework or technology level to support dense populations; the catch is that developing those areas will also put additional strain on the already overtaxed environment, leading to serious problems if the development is not managed carefully.

However, given that world productivity grows faster than population, the number of people the Earth can support has increased exponentially over time. We can simply support more people with fewer resources.

It wouldn’t fix anything if the three or four billion left kept living like we in the West do; just postpone the problem for later.

I understand that you aren’t calling for the death of half of Terra’s human inhabitants (or are you... :p) but folks simply disappearing wouldn’t solve anything.

It would postpone the problem, much like modern medicine only 'postpones' death. :p

Imagine, if you will, that 50% of the inhabitants of Earth are just suddenly gone. Disappeared. Fell into the ocean, flew into the atmosphere, found a black hole or something, whatever. They're gone.

2x the jobs open up. Traffic is a myth. World hunger is laughable. Social security is, again, feasable, as well as universal healthcare being that much easier to implement, what with less people to cover. The environment is no longer threatened by us, seeing as humanity as a whole now only uses 50% of the energy and resources it used to.

Some of those random people will be world leaders, but it's random, so I can't imagine which, but any will do. A cat is fine, too.

Just seems like it would work.

We're not running out of room, and would be hard pressed to do so even with a population far above what we have today. The problem's that way too many people are concentrated in areas incapable of supporting them; if you distribute population more efficiently, you can support a lot more people.

Besides, given that world productivity grows faster than population, the number of people the Earth can support has increased exponentially over time.

Just wait till we colonize Mars and the Moon :p

anyone seen is 60 min interview? is he doing better or worse than that?

*no TV... so NSG is my only source for now. :(*

All you need to know...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

LOLOLOL

anyone seen is 60 min interview? is he doing better or worse than that?

*no TV... so NSG is my only source for now. :(*

Haven't seen the 60 mins thing..but that whole speech pretty much was a joke...and him ducking dodging or turning around questions

We're not running out of room, and would be hard pressed to do so even with a population far above what we have today. The problem's that way too many people are concentrated in areas incapable of supporting them; if you distribute population more efficiently, you can support a lot more people. The main problem is that underdeveloped areas lack the productive base, legislative framework or technology level to support dense populations; the catch is that developing those areas will also put additional strain on the already overtaxed environment, leading to serious problems if the development is not managed carefully.

However, given that world productivity grows faster than population, the number of people the Earth can support has increased exponentially over time. We can simply support more people with fewer resources.

One woman can have twenty, thirty, sometimes fifty children. Each generation is exponentially larger than the generation before it. We can eventually run out of elbow room. Right now we're running out of economic room and viable city space.

Granted, we're able to feed more people with the production of genetically altered foods, but only if the leaders in charge will allow it, and many don't.

For the same reason we thin the herd of elk and rabbits and such, I think it would be benefitial for humanity.


The holocaust was terrible, but not because over six-million people are no longer living - because they were treated terribly, because they were herded into camps and tortured, because families were broken apart, because people were persecuted simply for their beliefs or their physical aspects, because it gave birth to a new kind of hate in the form of nazis, because it was all done against their will.

The lessening of the population in general, however, I have no problem with. It's the effects of such, and how it is accomplished that was terrible.

It would postpone the problem, much like modern medicine only ‘postpones’ death. :p
That’s a very poor analogy.

Death is inevitable. The destruction of Life As We Know It is not.


2x the jobs open up. Traffic is a myth. World hunger is laughable. Social security is, again, feasable, as well as universal healthcare being that much easier to implement, what with less people to cover.
And people keep on fucking. Leading to babies, overpopulation, scarcity of resources, and all the current problems we have today, just centuries or millennia down the line.

That’s not solving the problem, that’s sweeping it under the carpet.

One woman can have twenty, thirty, sometimes fifty children.
Ow.

For the same reason we thin the herd of elk and rabbits and such, I think it would be benefitial for humanity.
But how would you even begin to go about choosing who ‘deserved’ to die?

That’s a very poor analogy.

Death is inevitable. The destruction of Life As We Know It is not.

Oh pshaw. If we ever hit 20 billion, we may just breed ourselves out of existence and into extinction. If you really wanna be snarky, then fine, it's a very real and very distinct and plausible eventuality.

EDIT: Oh and -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/neodarkheart/police7mp.jpg
For future reference. Use this next time, it's funnier.

And people keep on fucking. Leading to babies, overpopulation, scarcity of resources, and all the current problems we have today, just centuries or millennia down the line.

That’s not solving the problem, that’s sweeping it under the carpet.

No, it's sweeping it out the door. People keep on fucking, leading to babies, leading to overpopulation, leading to scarcity, and all the current problems, at which time we do it all over again until the sun a'splodes.

It should be noted that Ahmad. grudgingly acknowledged the holocaust while claiming it still needed to be studied. Maybe he's saying he doesn't understand it.
Samething with his 9/11 comments. The holocaust altered the history of the entire middle east just as 9/11 altered the history of the entire world.
He wants to understand what it was about these events that caused such a degree of change in the course of the history.

Whats the difference between a kippot and a yamulke?

One woman can have twenty, thirty, sometimes fifty children. Each generation is exponentially larger than the generation before it. We can eventually run out of elbow room. Right now we're running out of economic room and viable city space.

When has a woman ever had fifty, thirty, or twenty children at all, let alone survived to adulthood? In the developed world, it's rare for a woman to have more than two. I mean, hell, even in the developed world a woman has maybe 40-50 years of viable child rearing years, and I can't think of anyone who has ever been constantly pregnant for their entire fertile life.

Granted, we're able to feed more people with the production of genetically altered foods, but only if the leaders in charge will allow it, and many don't.

Of course they will. Leaders of hungry nations don't stay in power very long.

For the same reason we thin the herd of elk and rabbits and such, I think it would be beneficial for humanity.

Who lives and who dies? Surely you would volunteer for this duty? It always seems the people advocating mass killing don't volunteer for it. Also, dehumanization (comparing humans to rabbits, for example) is the first step towards genocide, I'm afraid. Once you remove the value of human life, it becomes so easy to kill without conscience.

The holocaust was terrible, but not because over six-million people are no longer living - because they were treated terribly, because they were herded into camps and tortured, because families were broken apart, because people were persecuted simply for their beliefs or their physical aspects, because it gave birth to a new kind of hate in the form of nazis, because it was all done against their will.

I'm pretty sure people wouldn't voluntarily allow themselves to be killed no matter how pleasant it is. Murder is still murder and execution still execution no matter who does it or for what purpose.

The lessening of the population in general, however, I have no problem with. It's the effects of such, and how it is accomplished that was terrible.

Bigger populations equal more progress and growth. If you don't grow, you decay...even stable populations in the wild grow until they are checked.

"We don't have homosexuals in our country" lolz, Mr. Ahmedajid, lolz.

thanks, but I preferre NSG. :cool:


yeah....you get a better class of propaganda here ;)

All you need to know...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

LOLOLOL thanks, but I preferre NSG. :cool:

One woman can have twenty, thirty, sometimes fifty children. Ow.
I agree... ow...

Oh pshaw. If we ever hit 20 billion, we may just breed ourselves out of existence and into extinction. If you really wanna be snarky, then fine, it’s a very real and very distinct and plausible eventuality.
It never hurts to be pedantic. It’s just being more right. ;)

EDIT: Oh and–
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/neodarkheart/police7mp.jpg
For future reference. Use this next time, it’s funnier.
EDIT: I sees it now. Lolerz indeed.

I think he meant in the totallity of the woman's child bearing years.

But even so, no woman will ever have that many kids. You'd have to be pregnant every single year from puberty to menopause.

When has a woman ever had fifty, thirty, or twenty children that survived to adulthood? In the developed world, it's rare for a woman to have more than two.
I think he meant in the totallity of the woman's child bearing years.

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.

you guys aren't even making it sporting anymore. you've got to get at least a few non-crazy posts off before you try the stealth nazi thing. and honestly, your dl isn't dl enough at all.

This thread will sink lower once AP, UB, and OD enter it. Why can't they just hang out in stormfront?

there was a time you would have included me in this statement. what happened?

Its such a waste when vitially important political figures attend forums where the public at last has the opprotunity to prod their perspectives, only to allow those figures to escape with nothing more than rhetoric and evasion. The Iranian president should have been pressed much harder, with firm examples in the way of questioned human rights records, and even his past statements on the holocaust.

The purpose of this event was to gain insight on the man, not get the same information we could have seen from CNN clips of his daily public address's.

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.

A - Invalid point. Fail. I know Muslims who have zero issue with Jews. People can be anti-Semitic fuckwads without being Muslim.

B - Yes, he has a right to deny it until he is blue in the face, even if we know he's wrong. There is no law against being a moron or saying stupid shit. If there was, well... I reckon a good 90% of America would be imprisoned, 9% would be on probation and 1% would be free of any such conviction.

C - There are a lot of Jews because they took on the Catholic mantra of 'plop till you drop'. Plenty of Orthodox Jews ascribe to the school of thought that has them fucking like rabbits, with other Jews more than willing to have at least a couple of kids.

I don't agree with all your points though I do agree that Zionism is quite high right now, though not because of the Jews but more due to the pro-Zionist non-Jews.

But even so, no woman will ever have that many kids. You'd have to be pregnant every single year from puberty to menopause.

with the more than occasional twin thrown in...

but man... that's alot of diapers... and can you imagine the 2 am feeding?!?

heck. most families stop at 4. I can't imagine a family of twenty... and this is not incuding any adopted children...

there was a time you would have included me in this statement. what happened?

It seems you've fallen into obscurity soviestan... you're comments simply haven't been sufficently outragous and ignorant to warrent inclusion of that axis of idiocy :']

with the more than occasional twin thrown in...

but man... that's alot of diapers... and can you imagine the 2 am feeding?!?

heck. most families stop at 4. I can't imagine a family of twenty... and this is not incuding any adopted children...

It actually comes to the point where the children begin to take care of themselves rather than the mother caring for all. I knew a family who had 12 kids! (basically every year a new one from elementary school to highschool O.o)

2x the jobs open up. Traffic is a myth. World hunger is laughable. Social security is, again, feasable, as well as universal healthcare being that much easier to implement, what with less people to cover. The environment is no longer threatened by us, seeing as humanity as a whole now only uses 50% of the energy and resources it used to.

The bolded parts I disagree with. You won't get 2x jobs, because jobs will disappear with a reduced need for services and goods.

It will be less costly to implement universal healthcare, but there will be fewer people contributing too.

Other than that, yes, less traffic, more resources (so presumeably more food = less hunger), environment is still threatened though our threat is largely reduced.

there was a time you would have included me in this statement. what happened?

Given your more recent posts, I think you've matured from your days of ignorance. I haven't seen any recent crap like your stupid Holocaust thread last year.

with the more than occasional twin thrown in...

but man... that's alot of diapers... and can you imagine the 2 am feeding?!?

heck. most families stop at 4. I can't imagine a family of twenty... and this is not incuding any adopted children...

A friend of mine back in middle school was a Lebuvicher and had, and I'm not shitting you, 17 brothers and sisters. So it's possible. And, as was said, high birthrates are common among Chasidic and Orthodox Jews.

Of course they will. Leaders of hungry nations don't stay in power very long.


Damn straight. Like Stalin. Oh - wait.

I think it can be concluded that you are a damn fool or anti-Semite since you seem to be questioning the Holocaust. The Germans took very meticulous records of everything they did. They didn't expect to lose the war so they didn't fear prosecution for what they did.

Go review the documents yourself. They are widely available.

So - if you don't accept that the Holocaust happened according to the popularly accepted version... there are only two choices: fool or anti-Semite?

Personally, I pretty much doubt everything that happened before I reached the age of about 4... and most of what has happened since...

Is there somewhere this interview can be viewed online? It sounds mildly amusing.

Circus ahead.. promoted by FOX *gets more popcorn* :D

at Columbus.yeah, here is someone who actually attended and witnessed -first hand- the Bollinger insults and the rest of the Columbus circus..

As a student of Columbia, and an American citizen, I wish Bollinger had done better too. I found Bollinger petty insults (at one point he charged "I doubt you have the intellectual courage to answer these questions") to be unnecessarily aggressive and uncivil. He promised a "robust discourse" and delivered a bait-and-switch public admonition, to which Ahmadinejad rightfully took offense, as a guest of the University.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-host/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-and-c_b_65674.html

Ahmadinejad is a crackpot, certainly. But it is not enough to dismiss him with an insulting label and move on. We must be willing to listen to the accusations of our enemies in order to properly defend the actions we take in the world in which we live.

Elvis has left the Columbus circus :D

fred Phelps and co are now looking at condos in Iran after hearing gays don't exist there.

fred Phelps and co are now looking at condos in Iran after hearing gays don't exist there.

finally a Phelps cause I can get behind (snicker). ANYONE else want's to help pay for the WBC move to Iran?

It actually comes to the point where the children begin to take care of themselves rather than the mother caring for all. I knew a family who had 12 kids! (basically every year a new one from elementary school to highschool O.o)

A friend of mine back in middle school was a Lebuvicher and had, and I'm not shitting you, 17 brothers and sisters. So it's possible. And, as was said, high birthrates are common among Chasidic and Orthodox Jews.

that's 12 and 17 (and note, I said I didn't hear of families with this amount... well, now I can say I have. :p )

so are they still having more children? [not adopted] remember, the remark was 50 children.

So where are the sparks? Seems rather tame in here.

thats one of the bad things about the Human race beating natural selection...theres no way to thin the herd

That is an awesome quote, I love it.

Damn straight. Like Stalin. Oh - wait.

Thing is, though, Stalin's famines were intentionally engineered for terror.

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.

6 million people (not Jews, people) died.

It is comical in a way that the poster made a dumb statement, but it isn't comical in the sense that people like him are dumb enough to deny the Holocaust.

Nope, still comical. It might be the only post to have surpassed whoever it was who labelled France "that faggot country".

So where are the sparks? Seems rather tame in here.

I know... were there any arrests at lest?

Ahmadenijad is about to speak and the crowd will rip him apart. They panned out to the crowd and half of them have to be wearing kippot.

Bollinger is ripping him in the introduction for not giving women rights, Holocaust denial, wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and not allowing the freedom of speech that allows him to appear.

Its great how they let an unfriendly crowd in to protest this guy, but you can't protest at a president bush speech.

Fucking hypocrite nation

6 million people (not Jews, people) died.

Actually 11-12 million people died. 6 million of which were Jewish.

Its great how they let an unfriendly crowd in to protest this guy, but you can't protest at a president bush speech.

Fucking hypocrite nation

The crowd was polite as the protesters were outside.

Stop talking out of your ass. You look like a fool when you do it.

I bet you didn't even read a single account of the event before posting your garbage.

Ahmadenijad is about to speak and the crowd will rip him apart. They panned out to the crowd and half of them have to be wearing kippot.

Bollinger is ripping him in the introduction for not giving women rights, Holocaust denial, wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and not allowing the freedom of speech that allows him to appear.

Actually he never said that Israel should be wiped off the map, his true wording was a bit different. But of course, if you want to hate someone, an inaccurate translation isn't really important is it?

As for Holocaust denial, he hasn't really denied that it happened. If you listen to him, he simply says that there is nothing wrong with questions about it's nature, and researching it further. As well, he has said that the Holocaust should not be a reason for taking land from the Palestinians and oppressing them. Whether you agree with his views or not, he isn't really denying the Holocaust.

According to Ahmadinejad, women in Iran do have rights, and are free. He also says that there is freedom of speech and talked much about allowing many news agencies to say what they want, even though much of it is against his government. Now of course, I wouldn't take it directly from him, but the news here isn't exactly 100% accurate either, need I remind you of WMDs and Iraq?

comments supporting Ahmadinejad

You seem to love taking him at his word, but then you completely ignore what he flat out said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country." You need to go get a clue.

I'm sure you'll blame that one on bad translation too.:rolleyes:

He was given a chance to flat out say he hasn't called for Israel's destruction and couldn't answer a simple yes or no answer on it. I think that speaks volumes about him.

As for the Holocaust, go read this

Denying the Holocaust
Main article: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel
In December 2005 Ahmadinejad made several controversial statements regarding the Holocaust and the State of Israel, at one point supposedly referring to the Holocaust as a "myth" and criticizing European laws against Holocaust denial. According to a report on Wednesday December 14, 2005 from the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, Ahmadinejad said, "They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets."[25] He said that although he does not know whether or not nor to what extent the Holocaust occurred, if it had in fact occurred, European countries should make amends to the Jewish people by giving them land to establish a state in "Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska" instead of making "the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime."[26] The statements were condemned by many world leaders.

The head of Iran's Jewish community, Haroun Yashayaei, sent a letter to Ahmadinejad in early 2006 that read, in part, "How is it possible to ignore all of the undeniable evidence existing for the exile and massacre of the Jews in Europe during World War Two? Challenging one of the most obvious and saddening events of 20th-century humanity has created astonishment among the people of the world and spread fear and anxiety among the small Jewish community of Iran."[27]

In February 2006, Former President Mohammad Khatami clearly rejected Ahmadinejad's remarks by calling Holocaust a "historic fact".[28]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#Denying_the_Holocaust

Thing is, though, Stalin's famines were intentionally engineered for terror.

Of course they were. And it is a mark of Stalin's genius that he managed to retroactively impose those famines cyclically even before the red revolution.

You seem to love taking him at his word, but then you completely ignore what he flat out said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country." You need to go get a clue.
I'm sure you'll blame that one on bad translation too.:rolleyes:

He was given a chance to flat out say he hasn't called for Israel's destruction and couldn't answer a simple yes or no answer on it. I think that speaks volumes about him.

As for the Holocaust, go read this



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#Denying_the_Holocaust

I saw his comments on homosexuality, and I don't agree with him. However, I was simply saying that he is not as "evil" as you seem to think. Of course, he seems (perhaps is) intolerant of any religions besides Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism, but he does preach peace between the other four. I don't agree with him on these issues, but again, he's not a warmongering evil maniac as you seem to think.

Regardless of whether or not he has called for Israel's destruction, he does have some reasonable views on the issue. I believe that Israel has the right to exist, however, a lot of changes are necessary. The Palestinians have to stop being treated like second class citizens, and Israel needs to stop invading its neighbors like it owns them. If you think it should continue to do these things, then all I can say is that you are as deluded as Ahmadinejad.

Finally, I was simply talking about his most recent statements about the Holocaust. Whether or not he has denied it in the past, he didn't do it today.

I saw his comments on homosexuality, and I don't agree with him. However, I was simply saying that he is not as "evil" as you seem to think. Of course, he seems (perhaps is) intolerant of any religions besides Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism, but he does preach peace between the other four. I don't agree with him on these issues, but again, he's not a warmongering evil maniac as you seem to think.



Tell that to all the Christians in Iran and the Zoroastrians who must leave the cities.

According to Ahmadinejad, women in Iran do have rights, and are free. He also says that there is freedom of speech and talked much about allowing many news agencies to say what they want, even though much of it is against his government. Now of course, I wouldn't take it directly from him, but the news here isn't exactly 100% accurate either, need I remind you of WMDs and Iraq?


Yes, women in Iran do have rights. So do dogs. But do they have equal rights? Do they have enough rights? No, of course not. In court, a womens testimony is worth half that of a mans. So is her life. Women are forced to wear islamic dress. If the father of a child dies, guess who get's custody? The child's mother? No, the fathers brother. He say's there's freedom of speech? Tell that to the student protestors. The ones who are arrested and beaten. Tell that to Ganji. And has to allowing news agencies to say what they want, I have watched the news in Iran and all I have to say id. Hah! Hah! I scoff!

As much as I love seeing someone like Ahmadinejad be publicly mocked, I really would have much preferred him to just walk in to a small crowd with a short, neutral introduction, give a speech about trade policy, and then leave with polite applause.

I understand why people are protesting, and at another time I might have joined them, but is it really a good idea to invite him to speak and just mock and degrade him? I know it might make you feel good, but I don't see how inflaming the situation any more is a good idea. If there is any sort of increase in anti-US rhetoric or military preparation when he gets back to Iran I won't be surprised.

You can't get much more anti-US than having a parade calling for Death to US/Israel

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070922/481/af19a96ad807415bb7205147b3686a0e

As much as I love seeing someone like Ahmadinejad be publicly mocked, I really would have much preferred him to just walk in to a small crowd with a short, neutral introduction, give a speech about trade policy, and then leave with polite applause.

I understand why people are protesting, and at another time I might have joined them, but is it really a good idea to invite him to speak and just mock and degrade him? I know it might make you feel good, but I don't see how inflaming the situation any more is a good idea. If there is any sort of increase in anti-US rhetoric or military preparation when he gets back to Iran I won't be surprised.

Tell that to all the Christians in Iran and the Zoroastrians who must leave the cities.

Actually, my grandfather's house in Tehran is right next to the home of a zoroastrian, who makes no secret of his beliefs.

Yes, women in Iran do have rights. So do dogs. But do they have equal rights? Do they have enough rights? No, of course not. In court, a womens testimony is worth half that of a mans. So is her life. Women are forced to wear islamic dress. If the father of a child dies, guess who get's custody? The child's mother? No, the fathers brother. He say's there's freedom of speech? Tell that to the student protestors. The ones who are arrested and beaten. Tell that to Ganji. And has to allowing news agencies to say what they want, I have watched the news in Iran and all I have to say id. Hah! Hah! I scoff!

You did hear me say that I wouldn't trust everything he said exactly the way he said it right?

You can't get much more anti-US than having a parade calling for Death to US/Israel

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070922/481/af19a96ad807415bb7205147b3686a0e

I think actually attempting this directly might be a little worse.

As for the Holocaust, go read this


European (or any other) laws that punish denying 'the Holocaust' should be attacked. No one has the right to dictate what another professes or believes, right?

Free Speech applies even when you don't like what gets said.


And, to an extent, I agree with Ahmadinejad's position - 'the Holocaust' has taken on a significance above 'god', religion and 'prophets' to many people. And - to many - it is myth. It took place before many of us were born, or were old enough to be aware.... so everything we know is at least one generation removed.

You did hear me say that I wouldn't trust everything he said exactly the way he said it right?

You appeared to be trying to make the point that he isn't as evil as all that, whereas I believe he is a lying bastard. Don't worry though, he's unpopular in Iran at the moment, and will be voted out at the next election. Not that he could do anything while in power anyway.

You can't get much more anti-US than having a parade calling for Death to US/Israel

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070922/481/af19a96ad807415bb7205147b3686a0e

I think actually attempting this directly might be a little worse.

You can't get much more anti-US than having a parade calling for Death to US/Israel

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070922/481/af19a96ad807415bb7205147b3686a0e

Don't those signs say "down with...", not "death to..."?

I think actually attempting this directly might be a little worse.

The flags conveniently have parts written in English.

The flags conveniently have parts written in English.

I mean actually, directly engaging in war with America and Israel.

Don't those signs say "down with...", not "death to..."?

I was informed the Arabic is "death."

I was informed the Arabic is "death."

Do you read Arabic? If not, your little anecdote is worth nothing.

Do you read Arabic? If not, your little anecdote is worth nothing.

Do you know someone who can translate it?

I was informed the Arabic is "death."

The Iranian language is Arabic? I never knew. Amazing. I can speak Arabic. Fancy that.

Edit: Never mind, I am an idiot. Although the Iranian language is farsi, those signs are in Arabic.

Do you know someone who can translate it?

I'm not the one claiming something from the 'Arabic'. I'm merely pointing out that the translation they provided themselves... doesn't agree with your assertion.

If you intend to claim that translation as flawed, the onus is on you to show why.

I'm not the one claiming something from the 'Arabic'. I'm merely pointing out that the translation they provided themselves... doesn't agree with your assertion.

If you intend to claim that translation as flawed, the onus is on you to show why.

Those signs say Death to Israel and Death to America...or rather, Dead America and Dead Israel. Unless I'm missing something....

You do know that most Arabs hate and don't trust Mahmad.
Let alone they really dislike Iran because Iran has been trying to steal land from them in the gulf.
That's why they asked the US to put troops on their territory. Defense against Iran.
Arabs simply don't like Iranians.

Well maybe if you (Arab Nations) put a bunch of homosexuals along your borders Iran will sit and try and make them go away with their mind powers since they don't exist in Iran

...I still get a laugh out of that...

I was pretty much done taking him seriously when in his opening lines he started mixing religion and science...fucked it up from the get go...

and he tried to explain away the holocaust with talk about physics...wtf :confused: man and I thought good o'l GB was the international retard...

and of course the dodging or sidetracking questions and such..that was expected...

and then i looked at Drudge first things I see...Monks...Iran's Prez...and Deformed frogs wtf..?:eek:

Breaking News:

Fred Phelps has applied for a Passport so he can go to Iran.

Be serious

Y'know, I kinda like Amadinejad.

And so what if he denies the holocaust?

A: He's Muslim, it's to be expected.

B: It's his right to deny the holocaust.

C: The holocaust though exsisted, has been greatly dramatitized. I fail to believe that many jews died when there are so many jews now. Zionism is at an all time high.21 posts (as of this reply), eh?
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You'll be popular here.

I am watching Ahmedinejad on Charlie Rose in PBS and he comes across as a complete idiot. I think I would have articulated Iran's interests better than him.

For every question his answer is

"the zionist...the zionists..the zionists" and just poses back rhetorical questions.

he almost sounded like my 8th grade history teacher...:eek:

Not a woman, but Screamin Jay Hawkins was reputed to have 75 children at least...

Not a woman, but Screamin Jay Hawkins was reputed to have 75 children at least...

Moulay Ismail the Bloodthirsty had over 800...

Moulay Ismail the Bloodthirsty had over 800...

He wins.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ahmadinejad-questions-911-holocaust/n20070925062109990016

And people wonder why we do not trust Ahmadinejad? This is why!

NEW YORK (AP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is addressing the U.N. General Assembly Tuesday after defending Holocaust revisionists and raising questions about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks in a tense showdown at Columbia University.

We know that the Holocaust happened and roughly how many were killed and we also know who carried out the 9/11 attacks. Come on Ahmadinejad, research before speaking. It will make you look better.

Didn't some US Officials say Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 as part of the justification for invading Iraq. Or were they lying about that?

A lying politician? Good heavens, stop the presses.

Why does he need to research? Ahmadinejad is a politician trying to fit in in an American environment. When in Rome do as the Romans, thus if stupidity reigns supreme for politicians....

For every question his answer is

"the zionist...the zionists..the zionists" and just poses back rhetorical questions.

Oh, kind of like Bush except replacing "the zionists" with "9/11... terrorists... 9/11... terrorists". :p

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ahmadinejad-questions-911-holocaust/n20070925062109990016

And people wonder why we do not trust Ahmadinejad? This is why!



We know that the Holocaust happened and roughly how many were killed and we also know who carried out the 9/11 attacks. Come on Ahmadinejad, research before speaking. It will make you look better.

There's no shortage of idiots who question either. Most politicians are idiots, though I'm not entirely sure president of Iran counts as a politician.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539092

President Bush said Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia "speaks volumes about, really, the greatness of America."

Amazing, he actually managed to be quite smart. Maybe he hired a new speech writer? :p

Amazing, he actually managed to be quite smart. Maybe he hired a new speech writer? :p

But he managed to slaughter it with the "really".

And he says that there are "No Homosexuals in Iran." :)

Oh well, some other president claims it as a sin.

There are no gays in Iran!

Next on the news, San Francisco - US's straightest city!

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How can someone say that after sentencing two gay teenagers to death?

Actually 11-12 million people died. 6 million of which were Jewish.

And that's ignoring the war casualties, which would of course mount it much closer to 40 million.

Still ignoring casualties from famine, disease and such though...

But he managed to slaughter it with the "really".

Yes, the grammar was indeed wrong. You can't expect him to be perfect after all.

It is an improvement though.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539092
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539145

its a strange form of denial eh?

there are no gays in iran but they regularly execute gays. where then do they come from?

he is probably not allowed to admit that of course there are gay people in iran.

Ahmadinejad is an enormous douche...

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And people wonder why we do not trust Ahmadinejad? This is why!


Well I'll make sure not to vote for him in the next election then.

Ahmadinejad and Bush should be brothers: they both lie and both of them are retarded.

There are no gays in Iran!

Next on the news, San Francisco - US's straightest city!

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How can someone say that after sentencing two gay teenagers to death?

Wishful thinking. The hope is that if they keep killing them, the rest will leave - possible going to France, England, Sweden or the U.S. all places where the climate is much more tolerant

Well... if he says so...

I just crossed Iran off my vacation list. :D

Puppet politicians are funny.

You must have missed the knock-knock joke portion of the speech.

"We don't have homosexuals in our country like you do. That phenomenon doesn't exist. I don't know who told you it did."

Denying the Holocaust is bad enough but really?

Note to the pests: "I like turtles."

I thought that part was as funny as his beginning where he was combining religion and science...and then tried to explain away the holocaust by using physics...the whole thing was quite laughable indeed...he has taken the international retard award from Prez Bush...

"We don't have homosexuals in our country like you do. That phenomenon doesn't exist. I don't know who told you it did."

Denying the Holocaust is bad enough but really?

Note to the pests: "I like turtles."

When was the last time you saw a Gay Pride do in downtown Tehran?

When was the last time you saw a Gay Pride do in downtown Tehran?

Well if they did that then they would all be executed..or deported...since they don't have gays in Iran...

When was the last time you saw a Gay Pride do in downtown Tehran?

Well, you might see it as a Halloween gimmick I suppose.

Well if they did that then they would all be executed..or deported...since they don't have gays in Iran...

Bingo. And that is why there are none in Iran...because as soon as you are out that is the end.

I'm sure there are closet homosexuals then

Nope. No "phenomenon" over there.

I'm sure there are closet homosexuals then

Yeah. And guess what happens when they are discovered?

I'm sure there are closet homosexuals then

I suppose people will stop defending this guy now....

Nope. No "phenomenon" over there.

thanks for the spell check. What would I do without you?

thanks for the spell check. What would I do without you?

It wasn't a spell check. My computer did that automatically. I was mocking whatever-his-name-was's-speech.

"We don't have homosexuals in our country like you do. That phenomenon doesn't exist. I don't know who told you it did."
They might not. The "Homosexual" is an invention of Western culture in the last couple centuries, before then there were people who enjoyed fucking members of the same sex, but it wasn't an essential part of their identity in the sense that most modern people see it.
Of course, Western attitudes about how "t3h gh3ys" are some sort of separate species of human may well have infiltrated Iran through mass media.

Of course, Western attitudes about how "t3h gh3ys" are some sort of separate species of human may well have infiltrated Iran through mass media.

Trust me, gays haven't been welcomed in Iran for thousands of years, if even then. They have been especially hated in that part of the world.

guys as an iranian iwant to tell u guys that no one takes our president serious in iran i dont know why western media is so fascinated by him.he once had said that 12 year girl had created nuclear energy at home. once he had said that while speaking in UN he a saw a holy light surround him,people in iran always make joke about qazvin one of iranian cities that you can not bend in that city beacuse everyone there is gay :p .lol man this guys is for god sakes has phd in traffic i want you to come and see the traffic situation in tehran :headbang:, he is not going to be elected for second term .

Trust me, gays haven't been welcomed in Iran for thousands of years, if even then. They have been especially hated in that part of the world.

Being put to death for being gay does not make it especially hated. That's a very common attitude, even in so called "Civilized" countries.

Being put to death for being gay does not make it especially hated. That's a very common attitude, even in so called "Civilized" countries.

Really? I think you're crazy. If I decide it's better for society to kill gays, then I hate them like Hitler them and the Jews.

"Being put to death for being a Jew does not make it them especially hated. That's a very common attitude, even in so called "Civilized" countries."

guys as an iranian iwant to tell u guys that no one takes our president serious in iran i dont know why western media is so fascinated by him.he once had said that 12 year girl had created nuclear energy at home. once he had said that while speaking in UN he a saw a holy light surround him,people in iran always make joke about qazvin one of iranian cities that you can not bend in that city beacuse everyone there is gay :p .lol man this guys is for god sakes has phd in traffic i want you to come and see the traffic situation in tehran :headbang:, he is not going to be elected for second term .

Who's to say someone similar won't be elected?

They might not. The "Homosexual" is an invention of Western culture in the last couple centuries, before then there were people who enjoyed fucking members of the same sex, but it wasn't an essential part of their identity in the sense that most modern people see it.
Of course, Western attitudes about how "t3h gh3ys" are some sort of separate species of human may well have infiltrated Iran through mass media.
I've also heard the same about certain parts of the Arab/Islamic world, that casual sex between men has been fairly commonplace (Maybe not quite as much now as it used to be), but for some reason hasn't been considered gay. They probably think gays are just the lisping, handbag carrying types.

You misunderstand me, so I'll try again:
Before the Victorian era, there was no such thing as a "homosexual", or even a "heterosexual." It was assumed that one would have sex with members of the opposite sex to further the species, and maybe a few members of the same sex if inclination and opportunity presented themselves. This is why we're now discovering all these famous Renaissance men (like Shakespeare) probably had male lovers of some sort or another.
Somewhere abouts the Victorian era, however, the idea that those who wanted to have sex with members of the same sex were somehow "defective" began to emerge. The Homosexual and Heterosexual were thus created, and the Heterosexual defined as normal/superior.
Running forward a couple centuries, the idea that one must be either Homo- or Heterosexual has become so far lodged into the social consciousness of the West that it is now accepted as natural. "Obviously," sez the modern man, "one must be either Gay or Straight, so pick a side!"


I believe a certain Old Testament clearly expresses dislike for gays. I also believe the Koran does.

Trust me, gays haven't been welcomed in Iran for thousands of years, if even then. They have been especially hated in that part of the world.
You misunderstand me, so I'll try again:
Before the Victorian era, there was no such thing as a "homosexual", or even a "heterosexual." It was assumed that one would have sex with members of the opposite sex to further the species, and maybe a few members of the same sex if inclination and opportunity presented themselves. This is why we're now discovering all these famous Renaissance men (like Shakespeare) probably had male lovers of some sort or another.
Somewhere abouts the Victorian era, however, the idea that those who wanted to have sex with members of the same sex were somehow "defective" began to emerge. The Homosexual and Heterosexual were thus created, and the Heterosexual defined as normal/superior.
Running forward a couple centuries, the idea that one must be either Homo- or Heterosexual has become so far lodged into the social consciousness of the West that it is now accepted as natural. "Obviously," sez the modern man, "one must be either Gay or Straight, so pick a side!"

Ahmadinejad calm over prospect of US attack
Monday September 24, 2007

The Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, today appeared to be unworried about the prospect of a US or Israeli air strike on his country, dismissing talk of war as a propaganda tool.

Facing widespread protests on the first day of a visit to New York for a United Nations general assembly meeting, he told journalists any country wanting to go to war against Iran would need a good legal reason to do so and such an excuse did not exist.

Iran had not broken any international agreements by developing nuclear power, he said.

--Ewen MacAskill in Washington and Julian Borger in New York-- (http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2176333,00.html)

lol man check the Genesis 18: 20 thats much earllier then Victorian era

Really? I think you're crazy. If I decide it's better for society to kill gays, then I hate them like Hitler them and the Jews.

"Being put to death for being a Jew does not make it them especially hated. That's a very common attitude, even in so called "Civilized" countries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_nonheterosexuals#State-sponsored_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo


Huzzah for civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_nonheterosexuals#State-sponsored_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo


Huzzah for civilization.

For reason your links aren't working. Is all I can say is that if you kill something, you need a reason. What other reason then hate would apply here? You can't just kill a gay, simply because he's gay and then say, "well, I never said I hated gays. I just think they should all be put to death."

Nope, there are still morons on NSG who will see this guy as their savior against the ebil J00z.

Weird. Why is it Liberals support far-right wackos?

there is no ebil jews in usa there are only ebil muslims and arabs :sniper:

For reason your links aren't working. Is all I can say is that if you kill something, you need a reason. What other reason then hate would apply here? You can't just kill a gay, simply because he's gay and then say, "well, I never said I hated gays. I just think they should all be put to death."

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

I suppose people will stop defending this guy now....

Nope, there are still morons on NSG who will see this guy as their savior against the ebil J00z.

yes and i have not seen anything in bible about having sex with your cousin 2 ,and adam andeves children married their sisters :eek:

I believe a certain Old Testament clearly expresses dislike for gays. I also believe the Koran does.
Wrong. It says, that if one man shall lie down with another they should both be killed; it doesn't say, that if one man shall lie down with another and like it so much he shall never lay down with a woman then he should be killed.

Wrong. It says, that if one man shall lie down with another they should both be killed; it doesn't say, that if one man shall lie down with another and like it so much he shall never lay down with a woman then he should be killed.

Oh, I see. So they hate bisexuals, but not gays? :confused: Are you sure you're thinking straight?

And adam and eve 's children married their sisters :eek:

Oh, I see. So they hate bisexuals, but not gays? :confused: Are you sure you're thinking straight?

Depending on your denomination and your interpretation of god's one true word™ you can take it to mean that all non-procreative sex is grounds for death.

Depending on your denomination and your interpretation of god's one true word™ you can take it to mean that all non-procreative sex is grounds for death.

No. The Bible is not metaphorical. It means gay sex = bad. I'm sure no-one's death is called for if they couch their sterile wife.

lol man check the Genesis 18: 20 thats much earllier then Victorian era
*ahem*
As I said: sex between two members of the same gender goes all the way back to the moment that there evolved two separate sets of genitalia, but homosexuality and heterosexuality are both recent concepts.
Read some ancient texts and you'll see that for most of mankind's history people have been encouraged to enjoy a bit of column A and a bit column B.

It wasn't a spell check. My computer did that automatically. I was mocking whatever-his-name-was's-speech.

I'll stop being so sensitive now. Working 14-16 hour days has left me sleep deprived and cranky.

*ahem*
As I said: sex between two members of the same gender goes all the way back to the moment that there evolved two separate sets of genitalia, but homosexuality and heterosexuality are both recent concepts.
Read some ancient texts and you'll see that for most of mankind's history people have been encouraged to enjoy a bit of column A and a bit column B.

So you're saying that the verb is older then the noun? That all humans were inherently bisexual, and only had particular "tastes" later?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

I like turtles

Video link for full FOXnews video.

Funny thing is I cant find the full video at FOX website.. But the IranNEWS site is showing the Full FOX video :confused:

http://www.irantube.com/viewvideo/1134/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_at_Columbia_University_part_1/
http://www.irantube.com/viewvideo/1134/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_at_Columbia_University_part_2/
http://www.irantube.com/viewvideo/1134/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_at_Columbia_University_part_3/
http://www.irantube.com/viewvideo/1134/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_at_Columbia_University_part_4/

its a strange form of denial eh?

there are no gays in iran but they regularly execute gays. where then do they come from?

he is probably not allowed to admit that of course there are gay people in iran.

Obviously the United States and Israel are paradropping them in to pollute the minds of all right-thinking Iranian muslims. That or the Brits are sneaking them in via the embassy disguised as prostitutes.

Is there somewhere this interview can be viewed online? its on the first page:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13081731#post13081731
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It sounds mildly amusing.it does?
I am still waiting to see the promised sparks promised by IDF.
But dont take my word for it.. see the Full FOX video and make up your own mind..

Chavez knows how to produce sparks.. wait, did I say sparks? actually it was fireworks.. After seen Chavez at the UN.. I find this guy is boring.

I found Chavez and Iran's prez to both be equally amusing to watch as they make fools of themselves on international TV...they have something in common with Bush afterall

I found Chavez and Iran's prez to both be equally amusing to watch as they make fools of themselves on international TV...they have something in common with Bush afterall:confused:

have you seen the full FOX video? or just the edited bits?
It was so boring I almost fell asleep.

Ahmadinejad and Bush should be brothers: they both lie and both of them are retarded.Yeah, thank the US population for putting Bush into power...
...twice.

I watched the whole thing live...and I said they were amusing not exciting...

So... does this mean we are allowed to freely discuss the accuracy and merit of the Qu'ran, as well as the personality of Mohammed in Iran now ?

Seems only fair.

So... does this mean we are allowed to freely discuss the accuracy and merit of the Qu'ran, as well as the personality of Mohammed in Iran now ?

Seems only fair.

No we can't because we don't want to disgrace the great religion of Islam, or their great prophet Mohamed by actually questioning the religion or their prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps[/url
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_nonheterosexuals#State-sponsored_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo


Huzzah for civilization.

There's a substantial difference between random relatively individual (and often criminal) activities, such as these, and the institutionalized violence which one witnesses in Iran.

Yeah, thank the US population for putting Bush into power...
...twice.

Yes. We replaced a douchebag with a moron, which says a lot about the American people.

It does not matter what country you are from: the leaders are politicians: dishonest scumbags and we get exactly what we deserve.

There's a substantial difference between random relatively individual (and often criminal) activities, such as these, and the institutionalized violence which one witnesses in Iran.

Indeed. For instance, abortion clinic bombings do not reflect the views of a society, but rather an aberrant section of it. Laws are another thing altogether. America outlaws the execution of gays for nothing more then being gay, whereas Iran enforces it.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ahmadinejad-questions-911-holocaust/n20070925062109990016

And people wonder why we do not trust Ahmadinejad? This is why!


Because hes deemed "unfriendly". If he greased US palms, or greased his ass for US whatever, he'd not receive half the crap he does. Look at the chinese - are they treated like a brutal bunch of bastards? Not likely. Was Ariel Sharon? Not on yer nelly. In Uzbekistan they were boiling them alive in oil drums while being boasted of as allies in the 'war of terror'. Azerbaijan - led by a dictator, complete with cult of personality and secret police. What funding do the pro-democracy people there get? nada. Why? Hes pro-western interests.

Now stop starting threads with naive schoolboy bullshit. You're in your twenties. Get sense.

You're in your twenties.

Wait... really?

Damn...

You misunderstand me, so I'll try again:
Before the Victorian era, there was no such thing as a "homosexual", or even a "heterosexual." It was assumed that one would have sex with members of the opposite sex to further the species, and maybe a few members of the same sex if inclination and opportunity presented themselves. This is why we're now discovering all these famous Renaissance men (like Shakespeare) probably had male lovers of some sort or another.
Somewhere abouts the Victorian era, however, the idea that those who wanted to have sex with members of the same sex were somehow "defective" began to emerge. The Homosexual and Heterosexual were thus created, and the Heterosexual defined as normal/superior.
Running forward a couple centuries, the idea that one must be either Homo- or Heterosexual has become so far lodged into the social consciousness of the West that it is now accepted as natural. "Obviously," sez the modern man, "one must be either Gay or Straight, so pick a side!"


Dear Jesus man, that kind of educated talk will scare folk.

Wait... really?

Damn...

He said something to the effect. Good really, as I feel no guilt when I know they aren't 15.

(And no, thats not what I mean)

Yes. We replaced a douchebag with a moron, which says a lot about the American people.

It does not matter what country you are from: the leaders are politicians: dishonest scumbags and we get exactly what we deserve.But in a democracy you do not just get hat you deserve, you get what you choose, which in the given case says a lot about the American people indeed.

And while Ahmadinejad just talks Bush has already started two wars and alienated almost every former ally.

How can someone say that after sentencing two gay teenagers to death?


...maybe the "any more" was implicit.....

That or the Brits are sneaking them in via the embassy disguised as prostitutes.

No, those are purely for diplomatic purposes. ex-Public school lads and all that.....

There are no gays in Iran!

As I would say in response to that:

Huh?

And as my grandfather would retort:

Huh? You get that much out of a hog if you kick it.

And as Ahmadinejad would then say:

KICKING HOGS IS AGAINST THE WILL OF ALLAH! HOGS ARE UNCLEAN! I SENTENCE YOU TO DEATH BY STONING! PRAISE ALLAH THERE ARE NO HOGS IN IRAN!

Dear Jesus man, that kind of educated talk will scare folk.

Educated? merely because his inaccurate verbiage is in accord with bile conjured from the diseased recesses of your cerebral quarters, which assumes that the Middle-East can't have a ridiculous law unless it's the West's fault? I might be inclined to believe such absurdity if we even had those kind of laws. If they are deriving ideas for laws from us, don't you think their laws would mimic our-own?

Urgh. Moon-Calf.

You only empower him by giving him attention.

You only empower him by giving him attention.

The Iranian fella or Corny?

Indeed. For instance, abortion clinic bombings do not reflect the views of a society, but rather an aberrant section of it. Laws are another thing altogether. America outlaws the execution of gays for nothing more then being gay, whereas Iran enforces it.

That doesn't mean there's not a sizable portion of the population who would vote for such laws. Which was the intent in showing the prolific violence.

That doesn't mean there's not a sizable portion of the population who would vote for such laws. Which was the intent in showing the prolific violence.

I could show you just as many child molesters. Do you think a "sizable portion of the population" would vote to legalize child molestation? Of course you don't. You think a sizable portion would vote to make it mandatory to molest every child.

My dad *Muslim* talked to me about it but I want to watch it in video format until I comment. Expect my reactions shortly.

No. The Bible is not metaphorical. It means gay sex = bad. I'm sure no-one's death is called for if they couch their sterile wife.

Right because the plank in your eye is really a large piece of wood.

What Fiddlbottoms is saying reminds me of early Japan and the kabuki theaters where men played the parts of women and had sexual relations with married men who came to see them and pay for their services. It was socially acceptable and not regarded as aberrant behavior.

Homosexuality is a sin. Zionist Jews did 9/11. Israel is a plague to the world.

Those were the serious parts.

The funny part is that he had the dignity to stand up to all those bullshit liberals who wanted to bash him. I don't care if he was Adolf Hitler, you don't INVITE a guy to just bash him like that.

What Fiddlbottoms is saying reminds me of early Japan and the kabuki theaters where men played the parts of women and had sexual relations with married men who came to see them and pay for their services. It was socially acceptable and not regarded as aberrant behavior.

In Japan certainly. And certainly for long time in the west. But with the introductions of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity this stopped.

Homosexuality is a sin. Zionist Jews did 9/11. Israel is a plague to the world.

Those were the serious parts.

The funny part is that he had the dignity to stand up to all those bullshit liberals who wanted to bash him. I don't care if he was Adolf Hitler, you don't INVITE a guy to just bash him like that.

Ah. Strange. If I recall Liberals generally think he's swell, and would choose him in a heart-beat over Bush, even if it did mean execution of gays.

I'm more convinced then ever that Ahmadinejad is the world's biggest troll. Not even Kim Jong Il has the balls to suggest JEWS DID WTC.

Ah. Strange. If I recall Liberals generally think he's swell, and would choose him in a heart-beat over Bush, even if it did mean execution of gays.

Really? Care to point out this general attitude among liberals anywhere on this board or otherwise? I'm sure that if liberals in general support him and this board if full of liberals then you could find me plenty of examples.

In Japan certainly. And certainly for long time in the west. But with the introductions of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity this stopped.

Damn religion screwing everything up for humanity. :p

Really? Care to point out this general attitude among liberals anywhere on this board or otherwise? I'm sure that if liberals in general support him and this board if full of liberals then you could find me plenty of examples.

Right here: But in a democracy you do not just get hat you deserve, you get what you choose, which in the given case says a lot about the American people indeed.

And while Ahmadinejad just talks Bush has already started two wars and alienated almost every former ally.

Damn religion screwing everything up for humanity. :p

Not necessarily. Japan had a religion. We're only refering to Western religions here.

Right here:

One example from a hateful nutjob that nobody here likes?


Okay then here is my proof that most conservatives think that Zionist Jews pulled off 9/11 and that Israel is a plague to the world.

Homosexuality is a sin. Zionist Jews did 9/11. Israel is a plague to the world.

Those were the serious parts.

The funny part is that he had the dignity to stand up to all those bullshit liberals who wanted to bash him. I don't care if he was Adolf Hitler, you don't INVITE a guy to just bash him like that.


Come off it.

Not necessarily. Japan had a religion. We're only refering to Western religions here.


Fine then. Damn western religions screwing up everything for everybody.

The speech wasn't funny, it was serious. :|

I fail to see the funny.

The problem is that people say "OMFG Iran" and automatically assume it's okay to treat his speech like crap.

Take your bigotry out of here, people!

One example from a hateful nutjob that nobody here likes?


Okay then here is my proof that most conservatives think that Zionist Jews pulled off 9/11 and that Israel is a plague to the world.




Come off it.

Say what you like, I'm not a conservative. I merely note that most Liberals are defending this guy.

Fine then. Damn western religions screwing up everything for everybody.

Please. Don't bash all Western Religions. The Pagan ones (specifically Greek) were quite different from the dreaded Triumvirate.

One example from a hateful nutjob that nobody here likes?


Okay then here is my proof that most conservatives think that Zionist Jews pulled off 9/11 and that Israel is a plague to the world.




Come off it.

Another person stating why this guy is being blamed:

Because hes deemed "unfriendly". If he greased US palms, or greased his ass for US whatever, he'd not receive half the crap he does. Look at the chinese - are they treated like a brutal bunch of bastards? Not likely. Was Ariel Sharon? Not on yer nelly. In Uzbekistan they were boiling them alive in oil drums while being boasted of as allies in the 'war of terror'. Azerbaijan - led by a dictator, complete with cult of personality and secret police. What funding do the pro-democracy people there get? nada. Why? Hes pro-western interests.

Now stop starting threads with naive schoolboy bullshit. You're in your twenties. Get sense.

Please. Don't bash all Western Religions. The Pagan ones (specifically Greek) were quite different from the dreaded Triumvirate.
Thank (insert God's name) we're saved in the Balkans, let Western kill Eastern or Eastern kill Western terrorists! :p

Please. Don't bash all Western Religions. The Pagan ones (specifically Greek) were quite different from the dreaded Triumvirate.

Screw religion and the high-horse it rode in on.

Say what you like, I'm not a conservative. I merely note that most Liberals are defending this guy.

Most? I've not singe a single liberal praise him in the posts you quoted. Is it true or is it not that the US doesn't attack brutal leaders who are friendly to the US?

Screw religion and the high-horse it rode in on.

*thunderbolt strikes computer* "WELCOME TO ZEUS!"

Is it true or is it not that the US doesn't attack brutal leaders who are friendly to the US?

The Government obviously doesn't, or else they would have attacked Stalin in WWII. Then again, I don't see any mass invasion of Iran coming, and Bush has had two terms. Another point: I don't believe Saddam was overly unfriendly.

The people are another matter. I don't believe many Americans commend Stalin, our ally against Hitler.

The Government obviously doesn't, or else they would have attacked Stalin in WWII. Then again, I don't see any mass invasion of Iran coming, and Bush has had two terms. Another point: I don't believe Saddam was overly unfriendly.

The people are another matter. I don't believe many Americans commend Stalin, our ally against Hitler.

The posts you quoted weren't commending Ahmedejihad either. I think you missed their points altogether as you were looking for a reason to bash all liberals and paint them with the same brush.

Please. Don't bash all Western Religions. The Pagan ones (specifically Greek) were quite different from the dreaded Triumvirate.

The word pagan came from 'paganus' which was a pejorative for those who lived in rural areas and did not adopt Christianity. You can't lump all of those differing beliefs together like that. Some were peaceful and naturey and some were harmful.

The word pagan came from 'paganus' which was a pejorative for those who lived in rural areas and did not adopt Christianity. You can't lump all of those differing beliefs together like that. Some were peaceful and naturey and some were harmful.

Meh. I suppose so, what with all the burning of humans in wicker-cages and all. Nowadays we're more evolved: we burn 1500 humans in a giant metal and glass cage.

The posts you quoted weren't commending Ahmedejihad either. I think you missed their points altogether as you were looking for a reason to bash all liberals and paint them with the same brush.

It's true, I have a tendency to stereo-type. When I say "liberal" though, I'm being very narrow in my definition. I specific "breed", if you will. I consider myself a form of liberal. Most of the liberals I know personally defend this fellow, as do many online. And if they don't praise him, they say he's a better leader then Bush.

...maybe the "any more" was implicit.....

Iran has super secret spys who found the only two gays in the entire country. Now Iran can sleep at night knowing that they won't be flooded with gays because they cannot reproduce!

I fail to see the funny.

The problem is that people say "OMFG Iran" and automatically assume it's okay to treat his speech like crap.

Take your bigotry out of here, people!

We treat his speech like crap because it is crap.

We treat his speech like crap because it is crap.

I suppose that makes you biased against crap. Tsk-tsk-tsk.

I fail to see the funny.

The problem is that people say "OMFG Iran" and automatically assume it's okay to treat his speech like crap.

Take your bigotry out of here, people!

But Iran is crap, Ahmadinejad is crap, his ideas are and always have been crap. It's fairly reasonable to conclude that an anti west, anti semetic person who speaks crap 99% of the time, is going to speak crap especially about the holocaust and 9/11 since he is so obviously biased. Oh and guess what, what he said was crap.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ahmadinejad-questions-911-holocaust/n20070925062109990016

And people wonder why we do not trust Ahmadinejad? This is why!



We know that the Holocaust happened and roughly how many were killed and we also know who carried out the 9/11 attacks. Come on Ahmadinejad, research before speaking. It will make you look better.

That's really nothing new...he's been saying that for months now...

"We don't have homosexuals in our country like you do. That phenomenon doesn't exist. I don't know who told you it did."

Denying the Holocaust is bad enough but really?

Note to the pests: "I like turtles."

Technically he isn't lying. They don't have any because they all get executed. Doh! LOL

Yeah, thank the US population for putting Bush into power...
...twice.

I like how all these threads devolve into us just spouting our opinions...kind of like I'm doing now.

No, those are purely for diplomatic purposes. ex-Public school lads and all that.....

I personaly prefer to think that the US invaded Iraq specifically so that it could build top-secret gay-artillery posts along the boarder, from which it can launch gay-shells into Iran to make the population homosexual. That or shells filled with gay people. Whichever.

It's true, I have a tendency to stereo-type. When I say "liberal" though, I'm being very narrow in my definition. I specific "breed", if you will. I consider myself a form of liberal. Most of the liberals I know personally defend this fellow, as do many online. And if they don't praise him, they say he's a better leader then Bush.

Don't forget context. If a republican were to say that he's a better leader than Bush while thinking Bush is a good leader, that would indeed be a problem.

If a democrat says that he's a better leader than Bush, it says more about Bush than anything else, because you already know that they don't consider Bush a very good leader.

I think it's you who is attributing context to other people's values, so that the statement I bolded suddenly appears supportive, when it clearly isn't. Think about it. Does it make sense?