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If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

I was under the impression that hearts and brains were the things you need to lose to be politician.

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

Actually I heard it this way

If your a Republican before you're thirty, you lack heart. However if you're a Democrat after you're thirty, you lack brain.

Its a bunch of crap, made up by the Grimy Old Perverts (GOP) to make their political stances seem decent.

I really think it is more a thing of the youth seem to like the Demo's stance on a few key issues. By the time they are thirty, the issues should be more or less resolved, and all the new issues just scare you.

Here's my own twist on thing.

If you're a Republican or a Democrat before you're 25, you have heart, however if you're still a Democrat or Republican after you're 25, you lack brain, and a puppet.

Go Libertarianism! :D

No wilgrove here is how it goes:

If you are politically active while young, you have heart and brain. If you still try to be political after age thirty, then you are wasting your time :p

Here's my own twist on thing.

If you're a Republican or a Democrat before you're 25, you have heart, however if you're still a Democrat or Republican after you're 25, you lack brain, and a puppet.

Go Libertarianism! :D

Hifive

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Winston Churchill

Actually I heard it this way

If your a Republican before you're thirty, you lack heart. However if you're a Democrat after you're thirty, you lack brain.

That's wrong. It's a silly, utterly confused misquote.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Winston Churchill

Refering to classical liberals and Tories and quite far removed from the common modern American uses.

More accurately, the old Liberal Party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_%28UK%29

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Winston Churchill

That's very likely a misquote. See the Wiki article on Churchill (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Churchill#Anecdotal_dialogue) for more details (look under the section titled "misattributions")

If you're a pessimist before you're thirty, you should be institutionalized. If you're an optimist after you're thirty, you should stop doing drugs.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Winston Churchill
And a conservative as Winston Churchill would have defined them does, in no way whatsoever, equate to what a typical USian Republican stands for.

Liberal is to Conservative does not equal Democrat is to Republican.

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

How about "If you think democrat and republican are the only two possibilities by the time you are 18, you do not deserve to vote" ?

Republican or democrat: a choice for those who can't think for themselves at any age.

The way I heard it it is liberal vs conservative.

Simple enough - liberalism is about what you can get or give - The "feel good at any price" would appeal to people who have been dependent on someone else for most of their life. Conservative is about fiscal responsibility - which would appeal to someone who has had to provide for other people for most of their life.

i guess i have no brain.

im 50 and i find the platform of the republican party not just wrong but horrifying.

perhaps when republicans stood for fiscal conservatism and a responsible use of the military it was true. today its just nutz.

The way I heard it it is liberal vs conservative.

Simple enough - liberalism is about what you can get or give - The "feel good at any price" would appeal to people who have been dependent on someone else for most of their life. Conservative is about fiscal responsibility - which would appeal to someone who has had to provide for other people for most of their life.

Mmm. "feel good at any price", right?

We accept people different from us, even if they offend us.
We accept helping the less fortunate, even if it costs us.
And so on.

Mmm. "fiscal responsibility", right?

You waste money on wars.
You waste money on religious programs that are ineffective.
And so on.

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

I've never heard that oft-repeated bit of 'wisdom' so awkwardly phrased. Are you a native English speaker?

Mmm. "feel good at any price", right?

We accept people different from us, even if they offend us.
We accept helping the less fortunate, even if it costs us.
And so on.

Mmm. "fiscal responsibility", right?

You waste money on wars.
You waste money on religious programs that are ineffective.
And so on.

Aside from your contradictions you are having difficulty separating the concept conservatives and liberals from democrats and republicans.

Just so you guys know, that quote probably didn't originate from Churchill. See The Churchill Centre website (http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=112) for more details

How about "If you think democrat and republican are the only two possibilities by the time you are 18, you do not deserve to vote" ?
Truest quote of them all. (EDIT: Within this thread, that is)

If you're a pessimist before you're thirty, you should be institutionalized. If you're an optimist after you're thirty, you should stop doing drugs.

I've been a pessimist for as long as I care to remember. That way whatever transpires is a bonus.

If you're a pessimist before you're thirty, you should be institutionalized. If you're an optimist after you're thirty, you should stop doing drugs.That's what NSG is. It's a way of keeping all generalites under 30 institutionalised in their own homes - keeping the general public safe and sound.

Given the blatant anti-intellectualism of the Republican party I find this statement to be absurd.

Given the blatant anti-intellectualism of the Republican party I find this statement to be absurd.

Indeed. They treat stupidity as a bonus, not as a flaw.

That's very likely a misquote. See the Wiki article on Churchill (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Churchill#Anecdotal_dialogue) for more details (look under the section titled "misattributions")
Haha, I love this one:
Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.
* According to Churchill's assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne, Churchill had not coined this phrase, but wished he had.

Mmm. "fiscal responsibility", right?

You waste money on wars.
You waste money on religious programs that are ineffective.
And so on.

Please tell me you understand the difference between "conservative", especially fiscal conservative, and republican. Please.

If you're a Republican at any age, you're both brainless and heartless.

Please tell me you understand the difference between "conservative", especially fiscal conservative, and republican. Please.

By all means, let's look at the Republican tradition as well, for they're willing to assert that SOME people should "feel good at all costs", including but not limited to wars for oil and religious intolerance.

The Democrats are the lion, and the Republicans are both the scarecrow and the tin man.

The Democrats are the lion, and the Republicans are both the scarecrow and the tin man.And the American public is Dorothy, with only the Dems and Republicans to guide them along back to Kansas?

I think right now Dorothy is in the poppy fields. Sedated and abandoned by her guides.

And the American public is Dorothy, with only the Dems and Republicans to guide them along back to Kansas?

I think right now Dorothy is in the poppy fields. Sedated and abandoned by her guides.

You say sedated like its a bad thing.

I once heard this saying that 'God helps those who help themselves'.

You say sedated like its a bad thing.

I once heard this saying that 'God helps those who help themselves'.I thought it would be impolite to add that she was being anally raped as well.

I thought it would be impolite to add that she was being anally raped as well.

Well... I'm glad to see you fell off your PC pedestal there. :p

I thought it would be impolite to add that she was being anally raped as well.At least the use Astroglide.

At least the use Astroglide.

You know what.
I have to go take a cold shower now and you are paying the water bill.

At least the use Astroglide.I think it was oil based actually. Otherwise the tin man would have rusted.

You know what.
I have to go take a cold shower now and you are paying the water bill.Meh, whatever turns you on.

I think it was oil based actually. Otherwise the tin man would have rusted.

Meh, whatever turns you on.

Good point.

Everything...almost.

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

Yes...The saying is true.
This man is the smartest man in the universe:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

The saying generally goes thus: "At age 20 you're a liberal because you have a heart; at age 40 you're a conservative because you have a brain."

The saying is often attributed to Winston Churchill. However, whether or not he said it remains unconfirmed.

I generally agree with it. My philosophy is such: the politicians should be Conservative and the People Liberal.

Conservatives as people are unbearably annoying. They're loud, whiney, and generally egotistical.

I myself am a "Classical Liberal". I believe in more freedom then either party.

Heh... Mine is better.

Democrats have ethics and no morals, Republicans have morals and no ethics.

Its a bunch of crap, made up by the Grimy Old Perverts (GOP) to make their political stances seem decent.

Actually it's a François Guizot quote, often misattributed to Winston Churchill:
"Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head."

Other varition: "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

Yes...The saying is true.
This man is the smartest man in the universe:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

Hilarious. :D

Republicans always pull the shades though there is seldom a reason,

Democrats never pull the shades though they always should.

Paul Harvey

Republicans always pull the shades though there is seldom a reason,

Democrats never pull the shades though they always should.

Paul Harvey

Those unlucky Republicans and those kinky Democrats.
Tsk tsk.

I really think it is more a thing of the youth seem to like the Demo's stance on a few key issues. By the time they are thirty, the issues should be more or less resolved, and all the new issues just scare you.

That's a lot closer than the OP gets.

Republicans always pull the shades though there is seldom a reason,

Democrats never pull the shades though they always should.

Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey, with occasional stand-in, Fred Thompson.
Yes.
Not often he has a democrat stand-in, now, does he?

At least the use Astroglide.

At least make a happy reference to Drunk Commies Deleted!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/farewelldcd.jpg

Heh... Mine is better.

Democrats have ethics and no morals, Republicans have morals and no ethics.

Actually, that's not bad at all.
Good of you to discern the difference. *bows*

Republican or democrat: a choice for those who can't think for themselves at any age.
Hear, hear!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/MAR-Peeves/applause_crowd.gif

Given the blatant anti-intellectualism of the Republican party I find this statement to be absurd.

http://www.waronscience.com/home.php
:mad:
http://www.geocities.com/pacific_future/speech_agnew220570.html
:confused:

Is that a record for most consecutive posts in a single thread?

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

this sounds like a rather colorful and immaginative misquote of winstin churchill.
(who was refering to and used the terms liberal and conservative, and expressed them in the anti-positive mode)

the logic of the origeonal being no less questionable however, as with many romaticly simplistic decorations of speach.

=^^=
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If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

Charles Krauthammer [op-ed, May 25] quotes Winston Churchill as
saying, "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
went back to the Conservatives.

The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges
Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Democrats claim they don't know God but live their lives like they do.

Republicans claim to talk with God but live their lives like he's a stranger.

This isn't a quote about being 'liberal' in the Liberal Party of Canada/Democratic Party/etc sense or being 'conservative' in the Progressive Party of Canada/Republican Party/etc sense. It's about being a 'liberal' (generous, giving, etc) person or a conservative (cautious, efficiency-minded, etc) person, and it makes sense as far as the "idealism of youth" versus "wisdom of age" thing goes, because younger people tend to think they have an eternity to spend sharing and cultivating the good will of humanity, and older people tend to have experienced more of the inequities in the world and be more careful and deliberate and less inclined to splurge on questionable investments. It's about a way of thinking (or feeling), not specific political alignment.

Is that a record for most consecutive posts in a single thread?

Probably not, though i'm in the running.
A year or two back there were a few who beat that run.

Charles Krauthammer [op-ed, May 25] quotes Winston Churchill as
saying, "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
went back to the Conservatives.

The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges
Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Mistakes are strongly in the corner of Krauthammer, 'specially the past 7 years or so.

If you are a Democrat by the time you are 20 you have a heart; but you are a Republican by 30 if you have a brain.

Ok.....Bash away!!!

Guess what - I'm neither. Does that mean I've got neither heart nor brains? :rolleyes: