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heya all

I discovered this article this morning

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22463434-2,00.html

What do you guys think? Is it wrong to buy organs like this? Should organ donation be complusory to stop this happening?

Personally i think all the power to her assuming firstly the kidney wasnt obtained illegally and secondly that the person giving the kidney is properly compensated for the organ. Australian donation rates are appalling low which is shame, i dont understand how someone can take there organs to the grave. Its a sad day when people in a place like australia have to fly overseas to buy an organ.

heya all

I discovered this article this morning

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22463434-2,00.html

What do you guys think? Is it wrong to buy organs like this? Should organ donation be complusory to stop this happening?

Personally i think all the power to her assuming firstly the kidney wasnt obtained illegally and secondly that the person giving the kidney is properly compensated for the organ. Australian donation rates are appalling low which is shame, i dont understand how someone can take there organs to the grave. Its a sad day when people in a place like australia have to fly overseas to buy an organ.

Agree with you in general.

I think one reason Australian donations rates are so low is because people think just by ticking the box on your driver's licence your organs will be used, but you actually have to register separately to that. The bit about it on your licence is just to help out paramedics and stuff.

As for compulsory donation? No. But I think maybe instead of needing to register to donate your organs, you should have to register to keep them.

Agree with you in general.

I think one reason Australian donations rates are so low is because people think just by ticking the box on your driver's licence your organs will be used, but you actually have to register separately to that. The bit about it on your licence is just to help out paramedics and stuff.

As for compulsory donation? No. But I think maybe instead of needing to register to donate your organs, you should have to register to keep them.

I would hate to forget to mail in that form.

Repo. Officer: "I'm sorry sir, but we are going to have to confiscate *looks at checklist*.. all your organs."
Me: "Wait! I have the form right here..honestly!" *searches pockets frantically*
Repo. Officer:*takes snack-sized chainsaw off belt and hits the switch*

What do you guys think? Is it wrong to buy organs like this? Should organ donation be complusory to stop this happening?
Should we create a bunch or unenforcable red tape to choke up both our legal and medical systems to prevent two consensual individuals engaging in mutually beneficial trade?

Tough one...

I would hate to forget to mail in that form.

Repo. Officer: "I'm sorry sir, but we are going to have to confiscate *looks at checklist*.. all your organs."
Me: "Wait! I have the form right here..honestly!" *searches pockets frantically*
Repo. Officer:*takes snack-sized chainsaw off belt and hits the switch*

Yay! :p

Sort of in the same vein as the classic:

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/mol/m-10-v.htm

This is a difficult one.

I'm tempted to say she should not do it. But then I am not on dialisis.

In china prisoners are executed according to their tissue type for westerners to benefit.

In the UK Indians were flown in to donate kidneys in London in the late 1980's - it is now illegal but people still travel to India for transplants.

The typical donor is very poor and not well educated. They are desperate for the money and IF they are told about the possible complications or after effects they still sign the forms (that they are unable to read). Many are too ill after the operation to work and end up no better off.

I think if you accept a donated organ from someone in a third world country you should be responsible for that person's medical bills for the rest of their life - at the very least. Or maybe pay them an annual salary.

I think donations should be on an 'opt out' basis - your organs are automatically donated unless you have specified you want to opt out.

In china prisoners are executed according to their tissue type for westerners to benefit.

The typical donor is very poor and not well educated. They are desperate for the money and IF they are told about the possible complications or after effects they still sign the forms (that they are unable to read). Many are too ill after the operation to work and end up no better off.
A report came out recently about donation practises in China. It made for some scary and unpleasant reading.
Some hospitals were guaranteeing a compatible organ transplant within a week, 2 at the most.
No guesses as to where and how they were able to find a suitable donor in such a short time (considering the average wait list in Western Countries is ~1-2 years).

And true, donors in poor countries are either not given and do not understand the long-term health problems associated with organ (kidney, liver) donation.
Donating part of your liver or a kidney seriously affects your long-term health. Extreme Tiredness, fatigue, increased susceptibility to infections, reduced life-span, increase in health problems. Stuff like that.
Bad enough if you live in a First World Country with First World Medical care, but if you live in a Third World Country with little or no Medical care (unless you're wealthy enough to pay for it - which the donor couldn't: Why else would they be resorting to this unless they dirtpoor?), you're pretty screwed.

This is a difficult one.

I'm tempted to say she should not do it. But then I am not on dialisis.

In china prisoners are executed according to their tissue type for westerners to benefit.

In the UK Indians were flown in to donate kidneys in London in the late 1980's - it is now illegal but people still travel to India for transplants.

The typical donor is very poor and not well educated. They are desperate for the money and IF they are told about the possible complications or after effects they still sign the forms (that they are unable to read). Many are too ill after the operation to work and end up no better off.

I think if you accept a donated organ from someone in a third world country you should be responsible for that person's medical bills for the rest of their life - at the very least. Or maybe pay them an annual salary.

I think donations should be on an 'opt out' basis - your organs are automatically donated unless you have specified you want to opt out.

Belgium has that system. I don't see why we can't follow their example.

I think we should spend more bloody time researching artificial organs. I mean, the heart is a glorified pump, the lungs are glorified gas tanks, the kidneys and the liver are glorified filters. What's the bloody hold up?

I think we should spend more bloody time researching artificial organs. I mean, the heart is a glorified pump, the lungs are glorified gas tanks, the kidneys and the liver are glorified filters. What's the bloody hold up?

Indeed. Or just invest somewhat more in "growing humans". Just make sure they grow without a brain, and you have a perfect source of fresh organs.

I think we should spend more bloody time researching artificial organs. I mean, the heart is a glorified pump, the lungs are glorified gas tanks, the kidneys and the liver are glorified filters. What's the bloody hold up?
the kidneys are glorified filters, the liver does a lot more. it controls a large amount of the metabolic process and has several other functions, which is why they have dialysis machines, but no artificial kidney machines

Just to stir the debate up abit why would you be against complusory organ donation? I dont know if i am against it or for it i haven't made my mind up but if there is anyone out there who is 100% against it i would love to hear you thoughts on it.

When I'm dead they can chop out and use every single one of my organs for all I care, i won't need them...

The main problem I see with people not wanting to donate organs stems from the totally unreasonable fear that if your seriously hurt some hospitals won't take as much care of you as they should in hopes that you die so you can become a slab of meat to be divided amongst all those living people that need organs; my mom, her husband, my grandmother, and severel other members of my family believe that shit. I know severel other people who claim its against thier religion to donate organs too.

On another note, I have read somewhere that you can sell your testicles or overies to science for up to $500,000 a piece.

Sould be opt out not opt in :D

also is it the same system in the UK because I ticked that box when applying for my drivers licence and assumed i was registered :confused:

A report came out recently about donation practises in China. It made for some scary and unpleasant reading.
Some hospitals were guaranteeing a compatible organ transplant within a week, 2 at the most.
No guesses as to where and how they were able to find a suitable donor in such a short time (considering the average wait list in Western Countries is ~1-2 years).

Chinese death penalty executions are done with a pistol, a bullet in the brain that is so well placed that the person is cerebrally dead but not clinically dead. The Chinese State uses (sells) all the organs of the executed to the organ receivers, even sends a bill for the bullet to the family of the executed. Sad but true.

Yay! :p

Sort of in the same vein as the classic:

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/mol/m-10-v.htm

Hehe.:)

I don't think it should be legal to buy or sell organs. Much like the old practice of selling blood, it causes more health problems than it solves and leads to the exploitation of the poor.

However, I don't blame a desperate patient who goes looking for an organ wherever she can find it.

I do think that my country (US) should institute an opt-out system, rather than an opt-in. I wouldn't agree with making it compulsory, because I don't think the government should have that kind of power, but I would have no problem with an opt-out system and I doubt most people would. I also think a person's decision on that should be final. As it is now, even if a person is a registered organ donor, their family can still refuse to donate (or the other way around, for that matter).

Organ selling and prostitution should be entirely legal, assuming the source of the organ/sex is consenting in the transaction.

The main problem I see with people not wanting to donate organs stems from the totally unreasonable fear that if your seriously hurt some hospitals won't take as much care of you as they should in hopes that you die so you can become a slab of meat to be divided amongst all those living people that need organs; my mom, her husband, my grandmother, and severel other members of my family believe that shit. I know severel other people who claim its against thier religion to donate organs too.



When in fact the opposite is true. I know doctors who are on the organ donor register just because it means you are checked TWICE to make sure you are dead.