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What if that headline was on the paper the day after he arrives in the US. There are many groups out there that would like to see him gone. What if it were to happen while he visits the UN? He only has a C-2 visa which only allows him to travel in an area 25miles in circumference which means that he would be killed within NY itself. Assuming that the US government had no involvement with the assassination on US soil. He gets killed by either foreign intelligence or a homegrown organization that just wants him dead. What would the world reaction be and what outcomes would come of it?

Countless people on NSG would be very angry that they creamed in their pants for nothing.

Or were horrified for nothing.

What if that headline was on the paper the day after he arrives in the US. There are many groups out there that would like to see him gone. What if it were to happen while he visits the UN? He only has a C-2 visa which only allows him to travel in an area 25miles in circumference which means that he would be killed within NY itself. Assuming that the US government had no involvement with the assassination on US soil. He gets killed by either foreign intelligence or a homegrown organization that just wants him dead. What would the world reaction be and what outcomes would come of it?

World uproar, nobody would believe the US government had nothing to do with it and probably a retaliation by Qods Force & Hezbollah.

Well, I can see one of two things happening.

The first one, which is highly improbable, is that Iran will overthrow it's dictatorial government due to this catalyst.

The second one, which is much more probable, is that Muslim Extremists will use it as propaganda, saying that "American pigs" have killed a completely "innocent man" on a "peace mission".

Countless people on NSG would be very angry that they creamed in their pants for nothing.

... um, could someone mop up the floor? It's very sticky underfoot....

I wouldn't shed a tear, for sure. The only thing I'd care about is that there's no way we could get away with it.

World uproar, nobody would believe the US government had nothing to do with it and probably a retaliation by Qods Force & Hezbollah.

What, against some restaurant in Israel? :p

Eh anyway, I'm sure it would be assumed that the government was involved whether they were or not, but I doubt the consequences would be too great. Don't Ahmadina-whatever and Chavez like to claim we're out to kill them anyway? I guess it would vindicate them there. :)

... um, could someone mop up the floor? It's very sticky underfoot....

I am getting out the fire hose as we speak. ;)

I would be against killing him. Amadinnerjacket is brilliant. Every time he opens his mouth hilarity ensues.

Wouldn't care, just another body.

What, against some restaurant in Israel? :p

Eh anyway, I'm sure it would be assumed that the government was involved whether they were or not, but I doubt the consequences would be too great. Don't Ahmadina-whatever and Chavez like to claim we're out to kill them anyway? I guess it would vindicate them there. :)

We'd find people going poof in NYC subways and what not...

I would be against killing him. Amadinnerjacket is brilliant. Every time he opens his mouth hilarity ensues.

Never heard anyone call him Amadinnerjacket.;)

Maybe we could have him buried in it.

We'd find people going poof in NYC subways and what not...

Always possible, but I don't think the likelihood would increase much. Fortunately, I doubt we'll have to find out. ;)

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And for a moment I was horrified when I saw this thread title...it took me a moment to realize "this is probably yet another hypothetical thread" and calm down.

Same here. I was like "fock this is going to suck for us."

Bah! I was about to dance when I clicked on this topic -- then I find out it's a fraud.

Bah! I was about to dance when I clicked on this topic -- then I find out it's a fraud.

What a sick little puppy. You'd dance when another human being dies?

I wouldn't shed a tear, for sure. The only thing I'd care about is that there's no way we could get away with it.

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What has gotten into you, Vetalia? You have turned progressively more and more American conservative in a sense of complete disregard for human life each and every day.

I would shed a tear, metaphorically speaking, not only for the completely unnecessary loss of his life, but for the loss of life that would be sure to follow whatever uproar occurred.

And for a moment I was horrified when I saw this thread title...it took me a moment to realize "this is probably yet another hypothetical thread" and calm down.

I don't understand why Americans hate Mahmoud A. so much. What has he done to each of you that hate him? Likewise, what did Mr. Hussein do that you same people cheered when he was hung?

I thing that movie "Faces of the Enemy" was right when it talked about how governments will dehumanize the 'enemy' so that there is no sympathy for them.

What a sick little puppy. You'd dance when another human being dies?

For some people, the world is better off without them.

For some people, the world is better off without them.

Perhaps. I thin the world is better off without people that would dance in joy when another human being is murdered in cold blood.

I would shed a tear, metaphorically speaking, not only for the completely unnecessary loss of his life, but for the loss of life that would be sure to follow whatever uproar occurred.


Could be a net savings of life depending on how one expects things to work out. Paranoia knows no politics, after all. :p

I don't understand why Americans hate Mahmoud A. so much. What has he done to each of you that hate him? Likewise, what did Mr. Hussein do that you same people cheered when he was hung?

I thing that movie "Faces of the Enemy" was right when it talked about how governments will dehumanize the 'enemy' so that there is no sympathy for them.

I take it you've never heard the phrase "crimes against humanity". Saddam has been convicted of it (murder), and as a hard-line radical Ahmedinejad is guilty of enslavement (of women).

Could be a net savings of life depending on how one expects things to work out. Paranoia knows no politics, after all. :p

true, such a thing could be a blessing or a curse, depending on how people view it.

Perhaps. I thin the world is better off without people that would dance in joy when another human being is murdered in cold blood.

So you're saying the world is a better place now Saddam has gone?

For some people, the world is better off without them.
No.

Nor is Zilam's statement correct.

Instead of getting rid of people that express attitudes, simply get rid of the attitudes. People can change...never forget that.

So you're saying the world is a better place now Saddam has gone?

Where did I say that? Quit twisting my words.

I take it you've never heard the phrase "crimes against humanity". Saddam has been convicted of it (murder), and as a hard-line radical Ahmedinejad is guilty of enslavement (of women).

Many people commit crimes against humanity and get off scot free, such as US officials. Why should we treat any other person differently?

And how are women in Iran enslaved? Last time I checked I saw a bunch of Niqaabi swat team members.



Nor is Zilam's statement correct.



I'm used that. :)

What, against some restaurant in Israel? :p

More like Quds Force ramps up the Shiite Insurgency Training and ships a bonanza of EFPs that'll increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq that are turned into gibs or gimps.

Eh anyway, I'm sure it would be assumed that the government was involved whether they were or not, but I doubt the consequences would be too great. Don't Ahmadina-whatever and Chavez like to claim we're out to kill them anyway? I guess it would vindicate them there. :)

There's no finer way to shoot oneself in the foot that to vindicate a ranting posturing fruitcake, even postmortem.

He gets killed by either foreign intelligence or a homegrown organization that just wants him dead. What would the world reaction be and what outcomes would come of it?

Are you implying that there is a strong enough rebel group in Iran against the government? It actually is a republic and not a dictatorship, so people do have free elections there.

Personally I think anyone who does that should be hanged.

I'm used that. :)

I wasn't trying to offend you...simply pointing out that being rid of people who think dancing at the sound of death is a good thing is just as mistaken as thinking we should just get rid of political opposition.

Perhaps. I thin the world is better off without people that would dance in joy when another human being is murdered in cold blood.

So....ummm.....have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You know, he denies the Holocaust, wants to wipe Israel off the map, wants to Nuke Israel and it's supporter. You know, the insane rambling of a nut job that people should take more seriously than they are right now.

I'm just saying.

So....ummm.....have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You know, he denies the Holocaust, wants to wipe Israel off the map, wants to Nuke Israel and it's supporter. You know, the insane rambling of a nut job that people should take more seriously than they are right now.

I'm just saying.

Which has all so far been little more than empty posturing designed to provoke Western trigger fingers, rub in the fact that the United States has dug itself into a shit-ditch in Iraq, and celebrate the fact that by eliminating both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein as national powers the United States has made Iran the biggest growing power in the Middle East.

Killing him will simply legitimize his empty rants and give Jihadis as well as radical elements in the Iranian government an incentive and justification to really ramp up the shitstorm in Baghdad and elsewhere in the world.

Which has all so far been little more than empty posturing designed to provoke Western trigger fingers, rub in the fact that the United States has dug itself into a shit-ditch in Iraq, and celebrate the fact that by eliminating both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein as national powers the United States has made Iran the biggest growing power in the Middle East.

Killing him will simply legitimize his empty rants and give Jihadis as well as radical elements in the Iranian government an incentive and justification to really ramp up the shitstorm in Baghdad and elsewhere in the world.

Which is why I still say we close off the middle east, put it in a big dome where no one can get in, and no one can get out. Give them about 100 years and then crack it open to see who's the winner.

Which is why I still say we close off the middle east, put it in a big dome where no one can get in, and no one can get out. Give them about 100 years and then crack it open to see who's the winner.

So I take it this means you're in favor of cutting off the financial, military and political welfare that the United States has been heaping on Israel?

Are you implying that there is a strong enough rebel group in Iran against the government? It actually is a republic and not a dictatorship, so people do have free elections there.

Personally I think anyone who does that should be hanged.

Was speaking of a US homegrown group killing him on US soil. Read the whole OP. As for "free" elections they had them in Iraq too. As well as most of the Arab nations.

What if that headline was on the paper the day after he arrives in the US. There are many groups out there that would like to see him gone. What if it were to happen while he visits the UN? He only has a C-2 visa which only allows him to travel in an area 25miles in circumference which means that he would be killed within NY itself. Assuming that the US government had no involvement with the assassination on US soil. He gets killed by either foreign intelligence or a homegrown organization that just wants him dead. What would the world reaction be and what outcomes would come of it?

Hey, what if you were an idiot!.... oh wait a second that's NOT HYPOTHETICAL!

Likewise, what did Mr. Hussein do that you same people cheered when he was hung?

I take it you're one of those people who think that the Kurds are a dairy product, commonly eaten with whey by arachnophobia girls sitting on tuffets? I can't think of any other reason for such a bizarre statement.

Well, I can see one of two things happening.

The first one, which is highly improbable, is that Iran will overthrow it's dictatorial government due to this catalyst.

The second one, which is much more probable, is that Muslim Extremists will use it as propaganda, saying that "American pigs" have killed a completely "innocent man" on a "peace mission".

Give past statements, I'd say that they will blame Israel; claim that they (Israel) fired the first shot, therefore, it legitimises their actions to wipe 'Israel off the map'.

Israel will be then attacked, America will be then pulled in as an ally; the middle east becomes more polarised - and all hell breaks loose.

I'm of the opinion that we should invade Iran...or at least show the world what tactical nukes are capable of.
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I'm of the opinion that we should invade Iran...or at least show the world what tactical nukes are capable of.

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What has gotten into you, Vetalia? You have turned progressively more and more American conservative in a sense of complete disregard for human life each and every day.

I would shed a tear, metaphorically speaking, not only for the completely unnecessary loss of his life, but for the loss of life that would be sure to follow whatever uproar occurred.

And for a moment I was horrified when I saw this thread title...it took me a moment to realize "this is probably yet another hypothetical thread" and calm down.

Completely unnecessary loss of his life? You're out of your mind. The guy is a retard.

At this rate the world is becoming so overpopulated that I find it hard to value human life in a general sense at times.

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."
--Agent Smith, The Matrix (1999)

The first one, which is highly improbable, is that Iran will overthrow it's dictatorial government due to this catalyst.


Uh... If their President dies, one assumes there would simply be a new Presidential election.

You do know that Ahmadinejad was elected?

Anyway, the guy's a jerk, but I would never feel glad about him being killed.

Completely unnecessary loss of his life? You're out of your mind. The guy is a retard. So assassinating retards is OK ?
Good, that'll rid the US of (at least) 62040610 people.

So assassinating retards is OK ?
Good, that'll rid the US of (at least) 62040610 people.
Stop it...you're getting me excited.

I don't understand why Americans hate Mahmoud A. so much. What has he done to each of you that hate him? Likewise, what did Mr. Hussein do that you same people cheered when he was hung?

I thing that movie "Faces of the Enemy" was right when it talked about how governments will dehumanize the 'enemy' so that there is no sympathy for them.

Watch it with that "you" puhleese, you're getting tar all over my clothes.

So....ummm.....have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You know, he denies the Holocaust, wants to wipe Israel off the map, wants to Nuke Israel and it's supporter. You know, the insane rambling of a nut job that people should take more seriously than they are right now.

I'm just saying.

So do skinheads. Want to kill them?
So does a goodly portion of the Arab world. Shall we nuke them too?
Lots of people ramble on insanely. Some on this site. Should we round them up and kill them too?

When has he acted to do this? The moment he lobs a bomb, well and good. So long as it's talk, let him talk.

Which is why I still say we close off the middle east, put it in a big dome where no one can get in, and no one can get out. Give them about 100 years and then crack it open to see who's the winner.

And who appointed you prison warden?

Hey, what if you were an idiot!.... oh wait a second that's NOT HYPOTHETICAL!

Hey, what if you were flaming.... oh wait a second, that's NOT HYPOTHETICAL!

Enjoy a couple days off until civility makes a dent.

When has he acted to do this? The moment he lobs a bomb, well and good. So long as it's talk, let him talk.

It's not like he's talking in his capacity as a private citizen. I mean if it was just like Nixon and Kissinger sitting round the oval office getting drunk and rambling about mexicans, that would be one thing. But Amadinnerjacket is actually speaking out as the President of Iran. In other words as part of his official capacity. So he really should be more circumspect in his choice of words.

That said, I repeat myself in saying I don't want him to die. Every time he opens his pie hole, he vindicates millions of people around the world.

It's not like he's talking in his capacity as a private citizen. I mean if it was just like Nixon and Kissinger sitting round the oval office getting drunk and rambling about mexicans, that would be one thing. But Amadinnerjacket is actually speaking out as the President of Iran. In other words as part of his official capacity. So he really should be more circumspect in his choice of words.

That said, I repeat myself in saying I don't want him to die. Every time he opens his pie hole, he vindicates millions of people around the world.

I agree he should be more circumspect. I also believe he has no intention of doing half the things he says, and delights in all the asshattery that comes out when he says these things.

Seriously, how ironic is it that in a nation that espouses the value of free speech, there are Americans here demanding we KILL HIM for TALKING? People should stop and thing before they make themselves -- and by extension, everyone else -- look like a nitwit.

The religious leaders, who have all the real power, would use it as vindiciation for pretty much whatever they wanted. It wouldn't be worth it, even if he did have power, he's on his way out. Public opinion in Iran is against him, at the next election he'll be removed.

Lots of people ramble on insanely. Some on this site. Should we round them up and kill them too?

Not kill, but I've always wondered if there were some way to include a mod option called "electric shock" for the more prolific trolls.

I wouldn't shed a tear, for sure. The only thing I'd care about is that there's no way we could get away with it.

AS bad as Ahmadinejad is, the US doesn't want a dead foreign official on their soil. No country wants that.

Not kill, but I've always wondered if there were some way to include a mod option called "electric shock" for the more prolific trolls.

I doubt Jolt, or even the Internet could withstand the voltage required if another FreedomAndGlory type starts a posting spree.

I doubt Jolt, or even the Internet could withstand the voltage required if another FreedomAndGlory type starts a posting spree.

Well, the voltage wouldn't have to come from Jolt specifically, but the mains the troll's computer is plugged into...

We're still working on RSP.

NSG has a Retirement Savings Plan? Wow! Not that it has much to do with troll zapping though.

Not kill, but I've always wondered if there were some way to include a mod option called "electric shock" for the more prolific trolls.

We're still working on RSP.

ANYbody, that believes this fool would not do what he says he wants to do, is kidding him/herself.:headbang: this is a dangerous man., And inviting him to speak at columbia is an insult. Were he to be harmed:sniper:while he was here, I would consider that an early Xmas gift. Hitler was viewed the same way ass this idiot...many many here in the states said that he was just a bloviated fool... well...how wrong they were... THANK GOD...we got involved... Spechen de duchse?(sp)...look...this evil man is just that EVIL... we will attack Irans Republican Guard soon... most likely right after or soon after Ramadama ding dong month. OOOOORAH!!! I cant wait... what?:rolleyes:

Are you implying that there is a strong enough rebel group in Iran against the government? It actually is a republic and not a dictatorship, so people do have free elections there.

Personally I think anyone who does that should be hanged.

Free elections huh? Riiiight.....
All the president is, is the bitch to the Supreme Leader wo is the one to actually run the nation. Unlike our president or Britians PM he(Irans president)doesnt do jack shit other then look like a figurehead.

WHY!!???? Do we need to wait until he gets a bomb? To dang late then eh'? No... we will bomb Iran....and prevent him from getting any Nukes...that is just the way it has to be. Hitler Talked a whole lot like this fool.... we should have gone off to war a lot sooner than we did... but a bunch of peace nicks said..."oh...hes all talk....whats talk gonna hurt?" well...? Heck...the bombing the other day of the assets in Syria...what do you think that was? It was pre-emptive... it is getting ready for the big Party... me? Im gettin some ACT11 Butter...and hunkerin down for the party... watch our glorius Military machine get a workout...along with our new buddy in france...now that the dummy commie Sherouc is gone.... ahhhh yes...just like the good ole days...US...Brits...and the Frenchies... Hi Ho...Hi Ho...its off to war we go... and not a minute too soon. And what did Saddam do to us? What kinda question is that? How about what has he done to others? Hey... we need tghye Oil to keep flowing... (Thought I would add that before you rant on about how its alll about the Oil).... anyhow...thanks for listening...that felt good. X0Xo:sniper::sniper::sniper:oooooRah

I agree he should be more circumspect. I also believe he has no intention of doing half the things he says, and delights in all the asshattery that comes out when he says these things.

Seriously, how ironic is it that in a nation that espouses the value of free speech, there are Americans here demanding we KILL HIM for TALKING? People should stop and thing before they make themselves -- and by extension, everyone else -- look like a nitwit.

So is that why he and the Religious leader that controls him like a puppet sends money and supplies to several terrorist groups throughout the Middle east? Sorry i like how some will say our prez is a puppet of Cheney, but this guy is the real puppet of the Supreme Leader of Iran. And the people can not even expect to remove the Supreme leader if he is incompetent....he is permenment.

Sorry calling this nation a Republic is a joke.

i say i would be a happy person if these two were not in power, even if it is by death. And i am a person that is against death penalty.

Hey, what if you were an idiot!.... oh wait a second that's NOT HYPOTHETICAL!

Interesting concept you have there. However you are off the mark.

Apparently middle school's let out.

I would be against killing him. Amadinnerjacket is brilliant. Every time he opens his mouth hilarity ensues.

Shrubya and Amadidgeridoo have a lot in common.

... um, could someone mop up the floor? It's very sticky underfoot....

I just came

For some people, the world is better off without them.
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."-Gandalf Greyheme

Apparently middle school's let out.

Who would that be targeted against?

Why can't Bush be assasinated? :(

Amahdinejad is just a fucking moron. Even the Ayatollah is starting to hate him.

Shrubya and Amadidgeridoo have a lot in common.

Other than the fact that Amadideridoo doesn't have access to enough ICBMs for a Missile Command championship, or that he doesn't control a global superpower that has actively carried out questionable behavior in its history...

Seriously, how ironic is it that in a nation that espouses the value of free speech, there are Americans here demanding we KILL HIM for TALKING? People should stop and thing before they make themselves -- and by extension, everyone else -- look like a nitwit.

that's the problem with free speech.

I will support your right to say what you want, but please support my right to react to what you say as long as it doesn't turn physical or ends up with someone physically hurt.

we can demand anything and everything. now getting what we demand...

Who would that be targeted against?

I don't know, did you have a target in mind?

I don't know, did you have a target in mind?

That was a knee jerk reaction at first because it could have a couple meanings I guess. Then after I posted I saw the light. ;)

So do skinheads. Want to kill them?

At least force them to live in Castro Street. :)

So does a goodly portion of the Arab world. Shall we nuke them too?

No because most of them don't pose the threat that Ahmadinejad does. You got to remember Kat that this guy is a President of Iran, he is speaking in his Presidential capacity. You can bet your bottom dollar that if Bush started the same rethorics it would pretty much be the same attitude on the other side.

Lots of people ramble on insanely. Some on this site. Should we round them up and kill them too?

Like I said, they don't pose a threat since they are a private citizen.

When has he acted to do this? The moment he lobs a bomb, well and good. So long as it's talk, let him talk.

The problem I see with that is, if we wait till he lobs a bomb, hundreds, thousands or millions end up dying (depends on what type of bomb he lobs) and when he does, A LOT of people will be complaining "Why didn't we act sooner? Why didn't we do something before he attacked?!" So damn if you do, damn if you don't.

This thread got my hopes up.

No because most of them don't pose the threat that Ahmadinejad does. You got to remember Kat that this guy is a President of Iran, he is speaking in his Presidential capacity. You can bet your bottom dollar that if Bush started the same rethorics it would pretty much be the same attitude on the other side.

And he is an unpopular President who is facing a boot to the head come next elections and is simply trying to Chavez himself a second chance by trying to get the U.S. and Israel to ramp up their shit and gather sympathy for him. Unlike Ahmedinejad, Bush has actually followed up on his rhetorics as he did in Iraq.

The problem I see with that is, if we wait till he lobs a bomb, hundreds, thousands or millions end up dying (depends on what type of bomb he lobs) and when he does, A LOT of people will be complaining "Why didn't we act sooner? Why didn't we do something before he attacked?!" So damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Except that the Supreme Council knows if they actually were stupid enough to let Ahmedinejad drop the bomb in the first place their days sitting cushy in Tehran are pretty much over.

Don't ever get my hopes up like that again.

Same here. I was like "fock this is going to suck for us."

I keep the cursor over the thread title long enough for some of the first post to pop up.

Nothing surprises me...

nothing..

The USA has little to gain from a war in Iran. Iraq is already fueling the US war economy, so there would be little profit.

The USA has little to gain from a war in Iran. Iraq is already fueling the US war economy, so there would be little profit.

Well you are assuming that wars are only started or joined in for profit? I don't think that is the case at all. You could easily draw that conclusion if you look at it in only one way. However I doubt that has been the case in recent history. If you can give me an example without generalizations of a conflict in which it was purely profit motivated then point it out. As of right now the war in Iraq has put the US in a hole.