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http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6846

I shall never eat a twinkie again.

You also eat mushed up pig bones (gelatin).

Trace amounts of arsenic can generally be found in all your foodstuffs. You are, strangely enough, dependent on this arsenic and not getting it will result in your death.

Background radiation also comes from the very food you eat. This takes a part in evolution.

A lot of those conservatives used are meant to kill bacteria. If they can kill bacteria, then they can typically also kill you (a few exceptions include the conservatives used in canned foods, which target bacteria that thrive specifically without oxygen). They certainly aren't ever healthy for you - they're just the lesser of two evils (considering some of those bacteria from canned food could kill you within a few minutes).

The tools used to process your food often get contaminated with biofilms that are incredibly difficult to remove. Of course, this just results in our general state of illness throughout society.

Now imagine a completely sterile society. It could happen, but to be honest, I would look at it, introduce a thing like the common cold and watch everyone drop like flies.

Some things I don't mind sterilized or used in foods. However, other things really don't matter. Petroleum are one of those things.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6846

I shall never eat a twinkie again.


I think many are surprised at how much of our food comes from...rocks, though.


So the average person has never heard of salt, or any other dietary mineral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_mineral). This would be consistent with the fact that the average person is an idiot. Naturally, by eating an entirely "organic" diet one will (that is, must, unless one prefers death via malnutrition) still consume plenty of "rocks" so I fail to see how "processed" foods are special here.


But I will say this--that we crack natural gas into methane and ethane in order to make sorbic acid, one of the safest food additives around, still totally blows me away. Sorbic acid is actually a food, a close cousin of olive oil.


Wait...breaking down organic compounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound) (such as a fossil fuel like natural gas) into component parts yields yet more organic compounds.

I, for one, am shocked and amazed.


In this particular case, the problem isn't "processed" foods so much as it is a general lack of basic education in the field of chemistry (and nutrition, which is just a specialized subset of chemistry, of course). And, by the way, no where in the linked article is it claimed that petroleum is put in foods. All I see is "one of the safest food additives around" being derived from natural gas. Big deal.

Petroleum products can be tasty. Remember those flavored juices inside those little parrafin candlewax things you could buy for a nickel? I used to enjoy the wax as much as the juice. Good stuff. :)

If they can kill bacteria, then they can typically also kill you


If, and only if, the dose is large enough. A poison is not the particular chemical. The poison is the dose. Some require larger or smaller doses than others, yes. But every single element, chemical, or other compound one's body needs to survive will kill if taken too little or too much. Including water.

Contrary to the claims of the "organic" and "processed" zealots, nature works in shades of grey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeostasis). :D


They certainly aren't ever healthy for you - they're just the lesser of two evils (considering some of those bacteria from canned food could kill you within a few minutes).


I would tend to think of "helping to keep food from killing me in a few minutes" as qualifying for the label "healthy."

If, and only if, the dose is large enough. A poison is not the particular chemical. The poison is the dose. Some require larger or smaller doses than others, yes. But every single element, chemical, or other compound one's body needs to survive will kill if taken too little or too much. Including water.

Yes, I know :p I have a fun time making fun of people unaware of LD50.

Not to mention that your cells constantly destroy themselves for the greater good of your structure. When they don't, you get cancer. When they do it too much, you get... well, I forget the medical term, but that disease which causes muscle failure.

Contrary to the claims of the "organic" and "processed" zealots, nature works in shades of grey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeostasis). :D

Indeed, a lot of the things that are dangerous to us are also vitally important to us. They can kill off a few cells, but the lack of having them altogether is far far worse than the loss of a few measly cells.

So yes, so far I am agreeing and understanding you ;)

I would tend to think of "helping to keep food from killing me in a few minutes" as qualifying for the label "healthy."

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Petroleum will not kill you within a few minutes, but not adding petroleum to a few substances may, mysteriously enough, result in just that.

I wouldn't drink American Milk (http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1UPaOZshG0) either

The filling used to be (and maybe still is) nothing but lard and sugar.

The closer you can get to the farm the better. That includes distance and processing. Buy unprocessed food in season preferably at a farmer's market. If it goes through a factory it's probably not good.

And be ready to cut off a few bad spots. The only way for a farmer to produce perfect is to drown it in poison.

The filling used to be (and maybe still is) nothing but lard and sugar.

The closer you can get to the farm the better. That includes distance and processing. Buy unprocessed food in season preferably at a farmer's market. If it goes through a factory it's probably not good.

And be ready to cut off a few bad spots. The only way for a farmer to produce perfect is to drown it in poison.

yep. I shy away from things in boxes and cans......and supermarkets.

I don't eat twinkies, never did, the calories from fat are more than half the total calories, there is no freaking reason to put that crap in your body.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6846

I shall never eat a twinkie again.

I don't know about that, but I sure do love drinking gas out of a big gulp.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6846

I shall never eat a twinkie again.

I stopped eating twinkies after reading this (http://www.twinkiesproject.com/).

ok, that's not true, I still eat twinkies while working at our state fair... but only then.

Hey! Did you know that the water you drink could have been:

a) pissed by a dinosaur,
b) spit by a camel,
c) been part of an armadillo's semen, or
d) all of the above?

I.e. who the hell cares where or what the ingredients have been? They've been everything!

I've never eaten a twinkie.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6846

I shall never eat a twinkie again.

Makes me want to go eat one. Long Live the Twinkie!

yep. I shy away from things in boxes and cans......and supermarkets.

I don't eat twinkies, never did, the calories from fat are more than half the total calories, there is no freaking reason to put that crap in your body.

Bah, that eliminates all the good stuff. And eastern-European food in general, which is kickass. :p Gotta have that deli meat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80

Polysorbate 80 is a detergent.
It's a detergent and its in twinkies, donuts, and ice cream.

You also eat mushed up pig bones (gelatin).

Trace amounts of arsenic can generally be found in all your foodstuffs. You are, strangely enough, dependent on this arsenic and not getting it will result in your death.

Background radiation also comes from the very food you eat. This takes a part in evolution.

A lot of those conservatives used are meant to kill bacteria. If they can kill bacteria, then they can typically also kill you (a few exceptions include the conservatives used in canned foods, which target bacteria that thrive specifically without oxygen). They certainly aren't ever healthy for you - they're just the lesser of two evils (considering some of those bacteria from canned food could kill you within a few minutes).

The tools used to process your food often get contaminated with biofilms that are incredibly difficult to remove. Of course, this just results in our general state of illness throughout society.

Now imagine a completely sterile society. It could happen, but to be honest, I would look at it, introduce a thing like the common cold and watch everyone drop like flies.

Some things I don't mind sterilized or used in foods. However, other things really don't matter. Petroleum are one of those things.

Conservatives? Did you mean PREservatives, or are you saying that Lars Larsen, in addition to being relentlessly annoying, is also fatal in certain doses?

Not to mention that your cells constantly destroy themselves for the greater good of your structure. When they don't, you get cancer. When they do it too much, you get... well, I forget the medical term, but that disease which causes muscle failure.


I think that's an autoimmune disease of some sort. House would know.

Anyway, "eating petroleum" goes deeper than twinkies. Think farms. Think big factory farms. What do they use to make things grow and the soil produce? Never mind the pesticides, think fertilizer. Modern petroleum-based fertilizers are one of the reasons the US way of life is fucked once oil gets scarce.

But to get to the tenor of poking holes in the OP -- this is just more way to drum up fear in gullible consumers. "Organic" food at the supermarket is no more pristine than anything else, and yet look at the premium they charge for it. If you can make people afraid of something, you can make money off 'em. P.T. Barnum ain't dead -- he's been reinvented to create even more suckers.

Xanthan Gum. Sometimes you see it on your ingredients list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthan_gum

It's germ poop. :)

Xanthan Gum. Sometimes you see it on your ingredients list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthan_gum

It's germ poop. :)

Best. Gum. Ever.

A lot of those conservatives used are meant to kill bacteria. If they can kill bacteria, then they can typically also kill you (a few exceptions include the conservatives used in canned foods, which target bacteria that thrive specifically without oxygen).
Yeah. Them conservatives kill bacteria. Don't vote for the conservatives! :D

Did you mean PREservatives, or are you saying that Lars Larsen, in addition to being relentlessly annoying, is also fatal in certain doses?Oh stop with the trick questions. EVERYONE knows that Lars Larsen is fatal in certain doses. *notes manner of absorption/application of Lars Larson, thinks of many, MANY posters on NS*
http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2006/bush-kool-aid-bof.jpg

I think that's an autoimmune disease of some sort. House would know.
Anica Jovanovich: You know, I was going to ask what a respectable doctor was doing in an OTB parlor... somehow, that question doesn't seem relevant any more.
Dr. Gregory House: What's your excuse?
Anica Jovanovich: Turns me on.
Dr. Gregory House: What else turns you on? Drugs? Casual sex? Rough sex?
[pause]
Dr. Gregory House: Casual rough sex? I'm a doctor, I need to know.

I think that's an autoimmune disease of some sort. House would know.
myasthenia gravis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasthenia_gravis)?

myasthenia gravis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasthenia_gravis)?

That seems right.

Yeah. Them conservatives kill bacteria. Don't vote for the conservatives! :D

What's important is the bacteria that kill conservatives, har har har!
:rolleyes:

What's important is the bacteria that kill conservatives, har har har!
:rolleyes:
Who says them bacteria don't eat liberals too?

Who says them bacteria don't eat liberals too?

Dunno ... perhaps it's an issue of zest and/or aftertaste.
*shrug*
Can't expect too much from that end of the foodchain i guess.

Dunno ... perhaps it's an issue of zest and/or aftertaste.
*shrug*
Can't expect too much from that end of the foodchain i guess.
Conservatives taste better, or they're more nutritious? :confused:

Conservatives taste better, or they're more nutritious? :confused:

Oh, i don't think i could say that, but i might, due constituent components, say conservatives make better compost fuel. At least, they'll make good hot dog subtitutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80

Polysorbate 80 is a detergent.
It's a detergent and its in twinkies, donuts, and ice cream.

Water is a detergent. :rolleyes:

If the world's food is made from petro, does that mean global mass starvation when oil runs out in 2020?

A lot of those conservatives used are meant to kill bacteria.

:confused: Wow! I knew conservatives did a lot of things but I never knew that could do that. :eek:

Xanthan Gum. Sometimes you see it on your ingredients list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthan_gum

It's germ poop. :)
Alcohol is yeast poop.

And life wouldn't be as fun without it. :p

Seems to me that maybe I should quit eating altogether. OR I can move into the bushes and be a hunter gatherer. Be hard to support the kids tho, and I'd probaly get thrown in jail for squatting.
Perhaps I could start a cult, that is an option worth exploring. I'll gather some young, impressionable minds, take all their money and buy a secluded peice of land somewhere. They'll be my slaves, growing wholesome vegetables and organic beef / chickens, all the while satisfying my every whim.
Wait a minute, that is crazy talk, please ignore the last paragraph. (Unless you have a young impressionable mind and money you don't need, in which case give me a call at .... just kidding).
Seriously - the fresher your food the better you'll feel, you'll be more healthy too!

If the world's food is made from petro, does that mean global mass starvation when oil runs out in 2020?

No, it just means we'll need to replace oil with something else. That means that food will likely be more expensive, and out-of-season foods will be even more costly, at least temporarily, but other than that it won't mean a whole lot. More of an interesting historical anecdote, sort of like the transition from wood to coal or coal to oil, but hardly a threat to modern civilization. You probably won't even notice it.

Alcohol is yeast poop.

And life wouldn't be as fun without it. :p

And yeast breath makes your bread rise.

And then there's milk....

So the claim that americans drink petrol and eat babies is at least partly true.

And yeast breath makes your bread rise.

And then there's milk....

I'm eating a boiled hen ovulation in front of the computer.

Alcohol is yeast poop.

And life wouldn't be as fun without it. :p

And Marmite is what happens to the yeast when it can't poop anymore.

Conservatives? Did you mean PREservatives, or are you saying that Lars Larsen, in addition to being relentlessly annoying, is also fatal in certain doses?

Yes, I do indeed mean Preservatives. My apologies for making you believe that the right are deadly when consumed :p

Yeah. Them conservatives kill bacteria. Don't vote for the conservatives! :D

Pests of the world unite! :D

:confused: Wow! I knew conservatives did a lot of things but I never knew that could do that. :eek:

I specifically mentioned they had to be used.

When was the last time you saw a conservative being used? :D

No, it just means we'll need to replace oil with something else. That means that food will likely be more expensive, and out-of-season foods will be even more costly, at least temporarily, but other than that it won't mean a whole lot. More of an interesting historical anecdote, sort of like the transition from wood to coal or coal to oil, but hardly a threat to modern civilization. You probably won't even notice it.
And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Look, it's going to be more of a problem than you're realizing, Vetalia. Will it be a super civilization ending problem? Hopefully not. Will it be something you won't even notice? No. You're going to notice it in every thing in your life.

Why do you think the U.S is in the Middle East right now?

Not only do we use the oil for industry and transportation, but to feed our people.

Think of the children!

Hey guys! He's dissin' Twinkies!

Lets get him!

Hey guys! He's dissin' Twinkies!

Lets get him!

Yaar! No one disses my Twinky!



Oh..those Twinkies...