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So, as many of us are aware of, Indy 4 is on the horizon. The question I have is whether or not many will see it.

i might pirate it then watch it

I'd see it.

So, as many of us are aware of, Indy 4 is on the horizon. The question I have is whether or not many will see it.

I've never seen the other three movies, so why bother to see this one?

I've never seen the other three movies, so why bother to see this one?

This one is sponsored by Geritol, Metamucil, Depends, and Viagra!
I'm just waiting for the product placement, really.

This one is sponsored by Geritol, Metamucil, Depends, and Viagra!
I'm just waiting for the product placement, really.

"It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage." -Indiana Jones.

"It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage." -Indiana Jones.

You get another "winner of thread" pic for your collection, mon capitan.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg

i might pirate it then watch it

yeah me too...

But doing a sequel to classic series past their prime with actors way past their prime is all the rage. Like the new Rocky and Rambo movies. Stallone is like 70 something and what is Ford? 60 something?

I'll see it, though I fear it will be a big mistake. I loved the other movies, I had the biggest crush on Harrison Ford for many, many years, but I am just not optimistic about them getting a good script together and about them being able to do all the physical stunts they used to have him do.

LOL most mornings I get up saying, "I'm too old for this shit..." and I ain't as old as Mr. Ford.

So, as many of us are aware of, Indy 4 is on the horizon. The question I have is whether or not many will see it.

I'd watch it.

Harrison Ford and I are both too old for this. If he's now the mentor to a young "Indie" it could work, but I have strong doubts. Still, I might see it.

i might pirate it then watch it

That's truly the only option, for what proves to be a very sad affair. Seeing once-hotties deteriorate and flaunt that deterioration on the screen is really too much to bear...especially if you're paying to see it.

As long as it doesnt have OMG COMPUTAR GERMINATED NAZIS WITH SPACE RAYS AND GUNGANS, I'm good. Just dont let Lucas anywhere near it.

I'm leary after the whole 'replacing shotguns with radios' and 'Gredo shooting first' that they've lost a step in their ability to make a movie like this. Granted it was a Harrison Ford improve, but do they have the nerve anymore to have Indy casually shoot a swordsman? Or to push the head of a strong man into the propeller blades of spinning plane?

I'm not so concerned about the stunts-Ford's appeal has never been that related to Jackie Chan, I don't care if his stunts are done by others. But I do worry that they don't have the nuts to make a movie like this anymore.

I'm leary after the whole 'replacing shotguns with radios' and 'Gredo shooting first' that they've lost a step in their ability to make a movie like this. Granted it was a Harrison Ford improve, but do they have the nerve anymore to have Indy casually shoot a swordsman? Or to push the head of a strong man into the propeller blades of spinning plane?

I'm not so concerned about the stunts-Ford's appeal has never been that related to Jackie Chan, I don't care if his stunts are done by others. But I do worry that they don't have the nuts to make a movie like this anymore.

Probably not. Less risk these days means appealing to a wider audience and less chance of getting smacked with some bizzare lawsuit about traumatizing children and such.
Besides, good blood is hard to do with CG.

As long as it doesnt have OMG COMPUTAR GERMINATED NAZIS WITH SPACE RAYS AND GUNGANS, I'm good. Just dont let Lucas anywhere near it.

He's still Executive Producer, which really could mean that he shows up to set once a month and distracts the director while the AD makes the film, schmoozes with the actors while the PA or DGA Trainee sits awkwardly by trying to get him to set knowing that if s/he says something s/he'll get bitched out by one of them but if s/he doesn't get the actor to set s/he'll get bitched out by the AD, eat some of the crafty and then fade away until next month-or he'll micro manage everything. Seeing as it's his buddy filming it, I'm guessing the former.

David Koepp is writing it, looking at his writing credits, I honestly don't know what to think-

1. Spider-Man 4 (2009) (announced) (written by)
2. Ghost Town (2008/II) (pre-production) (screenplay)
3. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008) (filming) (screenplay)

4. Zathura: A Space Adventure (2005) (screenplay)
... aka Zathura (International: English title: short title) (USA: promotional title)
5. War of the Worlds (2005) (screenplay)
6. Secret Window (2004) (screenplay)
7. "Hack" (2002) TV Series (unknown episodes)
8. Hack (2002) (TV)
9. Spider-Man (2002) (screenplay)
10. Panic Room (2002) (written by)

11. Stir of Echoes (1999) (screenplay)
12. Snake Eyes (1998) (screenplay) (story)
13. The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997) (screenplay)
14. The Trigger Effect (1996) (written by)
15. Mission: Impossible (1996) (screenplay) (story)
... aka Mission Impossible
16. Suspicious (1994) (written by)
17. The Shadow (1994) (written by)
18. The Paper (1994) (written by)
19. Carlito's Way (1993) (screenplay)
20. Jurassic Park (1993) (screenplay)
... aka JP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
21. Death Becomes Her (1992) (written by)
22. Toy Soldiers (1991) (screenplay)
23. Bad Influence (1990) (written by)

24. Apartment Zero (1988) (screenplay)
... aka Conviviendo con la muerte (Argentina)

He's still Executive Producer, which really could mean that he shows up to set once a month and distracts the director while the AD makes the film, schmoozes with the actors while the PA or DGA Trainee sits awkwardly by trying to get him to set knowing that if s/he says something s/he'll get bitched out by one of them but if s/he doesn't get the actor to set s/he'll get bitched out by the AD, eat some of the crafty and then fade away until next month-or he'll micro manage everything. Seeing as it's his buddy filming it, I'm guessing the former.

David Koepp is writing it, looking at his writing credits, I honestly don't know what to think-
(snip)

Well, looks like the writers abilities took a dive at the same time as every other American movie-maker.
Not to sound TOO much like a screaming Luddite, but the only part of movie making computers should be involved in is typing up the script.
*siiiiiiiigh*
in b4 Harrison Ford's adventure in some sort of computer generated Tokyo of 2100 with aliens or something.

Will see it, but will not pay to see it.

*Goes to buddy. "Hey buddy, remember the thing you owe me for, and how the statute of limitations is about to expire..."

Who wouldn't see it...

Who wouldn't see it...

People who dont want to see a classic series massacred by horrible production, bad scripting, crappy CG effects and The Rock as Indiana Jones Jr.?

How about Shia LeBouf? (really is cast-no character name given)
Who is this person, and why does his name inspire such nerd rage from the Internet?

People who dont want to see a classic series massacred by horrible production, bad scripting, crappy CG effects and The Rock as Indiana Jones Jr.?
How about Shia LeBouf? (really is cast-no character name given)

It could be worse. Nothing against Mike Myers from Austin Powers, but would you want him or the Rock as Indiana Jones, Jr.?

Who is this person, and why does his name inspire such nerd rage from the Internet?

He starred in Disturbia and played the lead human character in Transformers. Not sure what else he's done. He's a pretty good actor, really.

And I will see it, because it's Indiana freakin' Jones.

Who is this person, and why does his name inspire such nerd rage from the Internet?

I'll admit to an unreasonable and unfounded urge to pop this dude on the nose. I never heard of him until the second season of Project Greenlight when he was cast in the film they were making as the star. Something undefinable about the kid made me want to sock him.

Completely unfair, I'll admit.

I have since seen him in Holes and Transformers and even though I really didn't like the latter, I had to admit he was a charming actor in both roles. I searched for reasons to hate him and really couldn't find any.

And yet...

I really want to pop the little fucker, right on the nose.

Don't know why.

He starred in Disturbia and played the lead human character in Transformers. Not sure what else he's done. He's a pretty good actor, really.

And I will see it, because it's Indiana freakin' Jones.

I gotta agree with you. Disturbia's apparently a sad Hitchcock remake, but Transformers was pretty good. (I say that not having grown up with the 80s series, though)

Who is this person, and why does his name inspire such nerd rage from the Internet?

He was first introduced as an actor on the Disney Channel's pathetic attempt at a television show called Even Stevens. He has since appeared in many movies...he had a smaller part as Will Smith's rather foul mouthed kid friend in I, Robot...he was the title lead in Holes...and more recently he was the main kid in the Transformers movie.

I suspect it's that last role that has people so pissed off, given how bad that movie was.

I'll see it, though I fear it will be a big mistake. I loved the other movies, I had the biggest crush on Harrison Ford for many, many years, but I am just not optimistic about them getting a good script together and about them being able to do all the physical stunts they used to have him do.

LOL most mornings I get up saying, "I'm too old for this shit..." and I ain't as old as Mr. Ford.... don't count him out. remember the 'stunt' he pulled during 'A Clear and Present Danger'?

I suspect it's that last role that has people so pissed off, given how bad that movie was.

That movie rocked. What are you talking about?

That movie rocked. What are you talking about?

C'mon man, that movie was horrible by any standard.

The character design or the robots was so busy that when they fought it looked like a panel out of Andy Capp-just a blurred cloud of movement.

The promises of the film always failed to deliver-
The showdown between Bumblebee and the cop car dude (forgot his name)? Failed to deliver-completely lackluster as a chase scene, even worse as a fight scene when it had a chance to be the best of both (the potential of which was later frustrating shortly revealed with Starscream fighting the fighter jets).

The showdown between Megatron and Optimus-unmemorable. Literally, can't remember it.

I felt more loss when Porkins died in Star Wars than I did when Jazz 'died.' Fuck, I barely noticed. If you're asking yourself "Who's Porkins..." Thats my point. And what the fuck was up with Jazz's dialog? Jesus Christ, it sounded like someone making fun of a 40 year old white dude trying to write 'urban.' In his one line. AND-what the fuck was Jazz doing just sitting on the street in car mode during the climactic fight so that Sam had to ask him to move so Sam could take care of Bumblebee?

For that matter, did Ratchet lie on his resume to get his job? He couldn't fix Bumblebee's voice box, couldn't fix Jazz...what did he do?

And don't give me "Oh man, you have to take it for what it is-it's a brainless action film..." These are criticisms of the action. They don't even yet get into the giant problems with the rest of the movie.

It sucked. You deserved a better film, where's the self respect?

*snipsnip*

*shrug* I liked it. So did a lot of other people. Some people hated it.

I have self-respect and I enjoyed the movie. It was <i>fun<i>. I liked the new robot designs. I had a good time. Sure, there were a few inconsistencies that jumped out at me, but overall I liked it.

And yes, I know who Porkins is.

My opinion is my opinion and your opinion is your opinion. Not going to try and convince you either way.

*shrug* I liked it. So did a lot of other people.
A lot of people like a lot of things. PT Barnum had a saying for that.

But I'll leave it at that.

The character design or the robots was so busy that when they fought it looked like a panel out of Andy Capp-just a blurred cloud of movement. the robot design gave alot of shout out's to various series of Transformers including Beast Wars.

also the fight scenes were one drawback to any move where the action is left totally to the CGI team. Spiderman II and III were the same. flurry of movement then bam, someone sails out.

The promises of the film always failed to deliver-
The showdown between Bumblebee and the cop car dude (forgot his name)? Barricade.
Failed to deliver-completely lackluster as a chase scene, even worse as a fight scene when it had a chance to be the best of both (the potential of which was later frustrating shortly revealed with Starscream fighting the fighter jets). back to the problems of relying totally on CGI for all the action scenes.

The showdown between Megatron and Optimus-unmemorable. Literally, can't remember it.

I felt more loss when Porkins died in Star Wars than I did when Jazz 'died.' Fuck, I barely noticed. If you're asking yourself "Who's Porkins..." Thats my point. And what the fuck was up with Jazz's dialog? Jesus Christ, it sounded like someone making fun of a 40 year old white dude trying to write 'urban.' In his one line. AND-what the fuck was Jazz doing just sitting on the street in car mode during the climactic fight so that Sam had to ask him to move so Sam could take care of Bumblebee?
some points of interest.

1) remember the two missles that slamed into the truck? it blew Bumblebee's legs off and stunned Ironhide. Don't you think Jazz would've been stunned as well?

2) of all the Autobots who were in this movie and were in the orignial animated one. all that survived this movie, died in that one, and vice versa. the only execption was Bumblebee, who was a bit player in the animated movie was a prominent character in this one. the same can be said for the Decpticons who were in both movies. Megatron survived and was changed to Galvetron in the first movie, Starscream died by Galvetron's hand and frenzy lived.

3) After the Original voice actor died (Scatman Crothers), Jazz was never used again in any of the other series.

For that matter, did Ratchet lie on his resume to get his job? He couldn't fix Bumblebee's voice box, couldn't fix Jazz...what did he do? Doctors can't fix a person voicebox if it's been damaged, nor can they cure a person ripped in two... so what good are they?

funny that in the end, Bumblebee was repaired... so I guess Ratchet did have some... err... repair experience.

And don't give me "Oh man, you have to take it for what it is-it's a brainless action film..." These are criticisms of the action. They don't even yet get into the giant problems with the rest of the movie. actually, they're criticisms on the filming technique.

I never did like the replacement of actors for CGI for action scenes.

Who is this person, and why does his name inspire such nerd rage from the Internet?

Erm, Holes?

I'll admit to an unreasonable and unfounded urge to pop this dude on the nose. I never heard of him until the second season of Project Greenlight when he was cast in the film they were making as the star. Something undefinable about the kid made me want to sock him.

Completely unfair, I'll admit.

I have since seen him in Holes and Transformers and even though I really didn't like the latter, I had to admit he was a charming actor in both roles. I searched for reasons to hate him and really couldn't find any.

And yet...

I really want to pop the little fucker, right on the nose.

Don't know why.

Dude...
*applaudes*
You explained it perfectly - wouldn't change a thing.

I'm so glad that I very rarely watch Hollywood films.

the robot design gave alot of shout out's to various series of Transformers including Beast Wars.

also the fight scenes were one drawback to any move where the action is left totally to the CGI team. Spiderman II and III were the same. flurry of movement then bam, someone sails out.
Not an excuse.

Barricade.
back to the problems of relying totally on CGI for all the action scenes.

That's the guy.

And still not an excuse.

some points of interest.

1) remember the two missles that slamed into the truck? it blew Bumblebee's legs off and stunned Ironhide. Don't you think Jazz would've been stunned as well?

2) of all the Autobots who were in this movie and were in the orignial animated one. all that survived this movie, died in that one, and vice versa. the only execption was Bumblebee, who was a bit player in the animated movie was a prominent character in this one. the same can be said for the Decpticons who were in both movies. Megatron survived and was changed to Galvetron in the first movie, Starscream died by Galvetron's hand and frenzy lived.

3) After the Original voice actor died (Scatman Crothers), Jazz was never used again in any of the other series.
1) He was able to drive around. And that's a stretch to justify something stupid.
2) Bumblebee a bit player? Are you sure you're a fan? And you're talking to someone who saw the original movie in the theaters. I know these things and don't know what you think they're helping.
3) And again-I'm a Scatman Crothers fan, have his CDs, knew about him as an actor and performer even as a kid. Please find in the post where I said Crothers should be the voice. I wasn't complaining that it wasn't Crothers, I was complaining that he was poorly written and that his death was so lackluster that I had more emotional attachment to the death of a character introduced 30 seconds before in another movie. I wasn't even complaining that he died, I was complaining about the execution (if you'll excuse the pun) of his death.

Doctors can't fix a person voicebox if it's been damaged, nor can they cure a person ripped in two... so what good are they?
They're robots.

funny that in the end, Bumblebee was repaired... so I guess Ratchet did have some... err... repair experience.
Ratchet didn't do it.

actually, they're criticisms on the filming technique.
No, they're complaints about the action, the filming technique is part of that.

I never did like the replacement of actors for CGI for action scenes.
What would you have them do? Dress people us as Transformers? Even I, as a big fan of stop motion, wouldn't have held them to doing it that way. CGI was what made a live action Transformers possible, and while I'm not the biggest fan, just because it's CGI doesn't mean it has to suck and is not an excuse to get them off the hook for this phoned in piece of crap of a movie.