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Looks like we are going to have a final response if this nut of a leader has anything to say. I wonder what it will be? Any ideas?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297418,00.html

Poll is now up.

Wonder if it's anything like the "final solution".

Good old Iran, they're kooky.

Maybe they'll just invite Israel round for a nice dinner, a few drinks and a night on the town

Corneliu 2 thread....

(is skeptical but clicks)

Reads....

Faux News.

Stops Reading.

Corneliu 2 thread....

(is skeptical but clicks)

Reads....

Faux News.

Stops Reading.

So no opinion as to the actual content? Did not think so.

Corneliu 2 thread....

(is skeptical but clicks)

Reads....

Faux News.

Stops Reading.

look it up on other news sites. just because it's on Fox news doesn't mean it's fake. it just means that it is spun to their liking.

So no opinion as to the actual content? Did not think so.
I don't care, post the same story from a reliable news source like BBC or something.

Also dude, what content, I read the article and your thread title has more information.

Meh.

Theoretically, Iran could have a nuke and detonate it on its own territory - not even Ahmadinejad is so stupid to actually attack Israel.

Still I think that it will be some of these:
1.IAEA reports of "civilian nuclear only" in Iran.
2."Zionist exaggeration" of the Holocaust.
3.A new air defence program, with new Russian SAM complexes.
4.A ballistic missile program (this is the most unlikely, since it would easily trigger some military attack from Israel or the US).

Still I think that it will be some of these:
1.IAEA reports of "civilian nuclear only" in Iran.
Well they have already said as much anyways, they have said Iran has no undeclared facilities and that evidence for them developing weapons didn't exist, it's just the Ziocons back home fanning the flames of Halliburton war industries.

2."Zionist exaggeration" of the Holocaust.
Dude, nothing new here either, the Israeli education system and the nationalist culture they have prove this.

3.A new air defence program, with new Russian SAM complexes.
Waste of money, Iraq and Syria proved they can be bypassed easy enough by long-range strike groups even in wartime, Iran is better off using well concealed AA missiles (especially shoulder launched) dispersed amongst militias.

4.A ballistic missile program (this is the most unlikely, since it would easily trigger some military attack from Israel or the US).
They already have missiles capable of hitting Israel, lots of them.


So, same old, same old.

Waste of money, Iraq and Syria proved they can be bypassed easy enough by long-range strike groups even in wartime, Iran is better off using well concealed AA missiles (especially shoulder launched) dispersed amongst militias.

Then you have to know the precise flight plans of said aircraft if you want to shoot any of them down.

Then you have to know the precise flight plans of said aircraft if you want to shoot any of them down.

Well I can tell you them right now:
Natanz
Isfahan
Tehran

As for in general engagements, Hezbollah worked this out (its a shame they didnt have AA missiles), you fire ground based missiles or rocket artillery into Israel from a hidden and well entrenched position in hills near a civilian population, the aircraft will be forced to run trial and error bombing raids in the surrounding area, while in the civilian population dispersed militias can shoot missiles at the aircraft, you lure them in.

Well I can tell you them right now:
Natanz
Isfahan
Tehran

That's nice. Now do you know how the planes are going to get there? Their direction, altitude, speed?

As for in general engagements, Hezbollah worked this out (its a shame they didnt have AA missiles), you fire ground based missiles or rocket artillery into Israel from a hidden and well entrenched position in hills near a civilian population, the aircraft will be forced to run trial and error bombing raids in the surrounding area, while in the civilian population dispersed militias can shoot missiles at the aircraft, you lure them in.

And thus exposing one's citizens to an illegal army's assinine tactics. Thus, Hezbollah is in violation of International Law.

That's nice. Now do you know how the planes are going to get there? Their direction, altitude, speed?



And thus exposing one's citizens to an illegal army's assinine tactics. Thus, Hezbollah is in violation of International Law.

International Law, pfft, now I know your being intentionall naive, you do what you can to achieve victory. Also Iran has about the same amount of fighters as Israel. Also where were you when radar was created?

International Law, pfft, now I know your being intentionall naive, you do what you can to achieve victory. Also Iran has about the same amount of fighters as Israel. Also where were you when radar was created?

So when Hezbollah violates international law, they're simply using legitimate tactics to achieve victory, but when Israel violates international law, they're EVIL ZIONAZIS!!!!11one.

Lulz.

So when Hezbollah violates international law, they're simply using legitimate tactics to achieve victory, but when Israel violates international law, they're EVIL ZIONAZIS!!!!11one.

Lulz.

Sadly thats the way AP thinks...


Originally Posted by Andaras Prime
As for in general engagements, Hezbollah worked this out (its a shame they didnt have AA missiles), you fire ground based missiles or rocket artillery into Israel from a hidden and well entrenched position in hills near a civilian population, the aircraft will be forced to run trial and error bombing raids in the surrounding area, while in the civilian population dispersed militias can shoot missiles at the aircraft, you lure them in.

So you do advocate those tactics......now when an Israeli bomb kills a civilian you're the type that first starts bitching about it...you're a riot man...no wonder no one takes you seriously

If Israel and Iran have the same number of planes, then Iran's air force is SCREWED.

And Israel would probably move against Iranian military bases and nuclear facilities, not Iranian cities.

And AP, you just lost any credibility you have. Do you actually think Hezbollah was in the right last war? You realize that I was in the north of Israel when the war started?

If Israel and Iran have the same number of planes, then Iran's air force is SCREWED.

And Israel would probably move against Iranian military bases and nuclear facilities, not Iranian cities.

And AP, you just lost any credibility you have. Do you actually think Hezbollah was in the right last war? You realize that I was in the north of Israel when the war started?

I asked him how blowing up markets or civilian centers is "freedom fighting" in another thread..still has answered me on that one...

Other: Keg party!

Other: Keg party!

lol I don't think the Iranians would be able to hold their booze...

If Israel and Iran have the same number of planes,...Its not only about the numbers of planes.. Israel can see at all time where the Iranians are.. -US satellites-

its kinda like fighting against a blind person.

better question how is this going to be fought...they don't share borders and I doubt Iraq/Syria/Jordan want Iranian and Israeli air planes fighting in their air space...and I doubt Jordan or Syria want to have their asses handed to them again by Israel...plus with western pressure I doubt they would support Iran anyways...

And thus exposing one's citizens to an illegal army's assinine tactics. Thus, Hezbollah is in violation of International Law.

The one problem with that is, Hezbollah is NOT a nation. They are a group of terrorists within a nation known as Lebanon. Further, until the ICC has teeth and the UN grows a pair of balls, International Law is a joke because the US has made it a joke. Until they take it seriously, how can it and others expect terrorists group to take the same law seriously?

Israel will hand their asses to them and be in Tehran by December.

better question how is this going to be fought...they don't share borders and I doubt Iraq/Syria/Jordan want Iranian and Israeli air planes fighting in their air space...and I doubt Jordan or Syria want to have their asses handed to them again by Israel...plus with western pressure I doubt they would support Iran anyways...

And they have to go through Iraq to get to Israel. I do not think that is going to happen either.

The one problem with that is, Hezbollah is NOT a nation. They are a group of terrorists within a nation known as Lebanon. Further, until the ICC has teeth and the UN grows a pair of balls, International Law is a joke because the US has made it a joke. Until they take it seriously, how can it and others expect terrorists group to take the same law seriously?

Yea the US made it a joke...never mind the government sponsored genocide in Darfur...NK's violation of the nuclear program..Iran's violation with its nuclear program...NK using the sell of drugs weapons etc etc..and using foreign aid money on its military and regime instead of food for its people...Until the US invasion the Taliban's support of AQ and other terrorist organizations...but yea the reason international law is a joke is the US's fault...at least try and make a decent intelligent point next time and spread the blame to all of those who deserve it..I didn't even get them all...there's Russia China...to add as well as quite a few others but I don't feel like typing up a 10 page essay paper

OK, as per AP's request that the story be found at another source, I did some searching. So, this is from BBC. This story sounds quite different from the one at the FOX News site I dare say.

This is what I found. It's not the same story but it is along the same lines. It says Iran would strike Israel "in the unlikely event if an Israeli attack".

"We have drawn up a plan to strike back at Israel with our bombers if this regime [Israel] makes a silly mistake," Gen Alavi told Iran's official news agency Fars in an interview.

Iran issues Israel attack warning (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7003143.stm)

International Law, pfft, now I know your being intentionall naive, you do what you can to achieve victory. Also Iran has about the same amount of fighters as Israel. Also where were you when radar was created?

I was a seed in my unborn father's scrotum.

As to being naive, sorry but no. I am not being niave. I know what Internatinal Law says about military targets and if someone uses a civilian building as a weapon's platform, that building can legally be targeted and destroyed.

So when Hezbollah violates international law, they're simply using legitimate tactics to achieve victory, but when Israel violates international law, they're EVIL ZIONAZIS!!!!11one.

Lulz.

To his mind, pretty much. This is the same guy that applauds suicide bombings in shopping malls and buses.

International Law, pfft, now I know your being intentionall naive, you do what you can to achieve victory. Also Iran has about the same amount of fighters as Israel. Also where were you when radar was created?
Wow you really do have a few screws loose in the head.

Iran's AF is shit. YOu can't judge them by airframes. On paper they have 75 F-14As. In reality 72 of the 75 were shot down, crashed, or cannabalized for parts. The rest of the Iranian AF is made up of inferior 2nd and 3rd generation fighters. The only 4th gen fighter they have is the MiG-29, and that plane has a poor combat history.

As for RADAR, ask Syria how well that worked 2 weeks ago.

Yea the US made it a joke...never mind the government sponsored genocide in Darfur...NK's violation of the nuclear program..Iran's violation with its nuclear program...NK using the sell of drugs weapons etc etc..and using foreign aid money on its military and regime instead of food for its people...Until the US invasion the Taliban's support of AQ and other terrorist organizations...but yea the reason international law is a joke is the US's fault...at least try and make a decent intelligent point next time

The US levies accusations of henieous crimes that other nations have done yet it refuses to acknowledge its shortcomings and it won't co-operate with the existing body that enforces such a law. Yes, I say those actions are a major contributing factor.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't through stones, I believe is the saying.

You also ignore the nations that have also broken international law who are allied with the US, thus creating a double standard. This causes the nations singled out to discredit the law because of this little dozy.

Do as I say, not as I do. Isn't that the mentality of the current US administration? It's easy enough to point fingers and I'm not denying what some nations have done, I'm simply stating that because the supposedly most powerful nation in the world is picking and choosing what international laws it wants to follow that it has effectively discredited those laws.

Let's see, you mention for example Iran's nuclear programme but you don't mention that Russia has been supplying the Iranians with the materials to enable this programme now, do you?

Or of the Chinese government's choice to arm various African groups, including the Sudanese militia (damnit, I can't remember the correct spelling for the name) that is playing a keyrole in the Darfur genocide.

Should one follow the cookie crumb trail?

I made a succinct point. This just reinforces that I've said. You've offered nothing. Your point only provided me with more ammunition. I never denied that those countries aren't responsible. I'm merely saying that you cannot expect some nations to be held accountable in the eyes of International Law while others are allowed to walk away scot-free.

Jesus fucking christ, can crazy old Ahmadinejad get any fucking stupider.

I even stated.. that I didn't add all the nations who violate international laws and make them a joke.that would take too long..nor did I say the US wasn't one of them...I said the US isn't the only one and by far isn't the worst violator...

I even stated.. that I didn't add all the nations who violate international laws and make them a joke.that would take too long..nor did I say the US wasn't one of them...I said the US isn't the only one and by far isn't the worst violator...

My contention is that the US is rather hypocritical in how it regards International Law.

My contention is that the US is rather hypocritical in how it regards International Law.

most nations are hypocritical when it comes to violating International law.

Mr. Mahmoud A. won't do anything will cause his head to be placed on a silver platter. He might spew crazy rhetoric out of his mouth, but the religious leaders in Iran will not let him do anything. By giving all this attention to Iran, we are just empowering him to say more crazy things.

Mr. Mahmoud A. won't do anything will cause his head to be placed on a silver platter. He might spew crazy rhetoric out of his mouth, but the religious leaders in Iran will not let him do anything. By giving all this attention to Iran, we are just empowering him to say more crazy things.

Exactly. Many people seem to suffer from the idea that ahmedinejad has power. The religious leaders have the final say on everything.

Exactly. Many people say to suffer from the idea that ahmedinejad has power. The religious leaders have the final say on everything.

So with that logic, we can assume then that the mullahs who control Iran started the nuclear program and in the process, violated the NPT.

So with that logic, we can assume then that the mullahs who control Iran started the nuclear program and in the process, violated the NPT.

Yes we can. And I by no means condone that. However, it does not mean that they intend to attack Israel, because at the moment that would be really stupid. Hey look, Israels biggest ally is occupying two of the countries next to us, let's attack Israel! I doubt it. I oppose the Iranian government, but they're not that stupid.

I don't trust Fox/ News Corp. or any of it's puppets what so ever. I'll watch Simpsons, Family Guy, House, and maybe the weather report but thats the exent of my fox veiwing pleasure.

Now do you have a comment on the topic at hand?

I don't trust Fox/ News Corp. or any of it's puppets what so ever. I'll watch Simpsons, Family Guy, House, and maybe the weather report but thats the exent of my fox veiwing pleasure.

Ahmadinejad loves to talk shit, but fortunately for us thats all he can do. The Iranian religious leadership isn't stupid. They'll do whatever it takes to keep themselves in power, and in this case that means avoiding war at all costs. I don't think Iran is anywhere close to getting a working nuclear weapon simply because Israel would have already launched a preemptive strike. They did it with Iraq, and again with Syria.

Lemon Meringue Pie

Lemon Meringue Pie

wtf...?...I want some...blueberry is also another fine choice...

Big hummus catapult? Dunno.

It's a stretch but I'm concerned that it might be a possible threat of an assassination attempt against Condaleeza Rice.

The feds should cancel her trip.

They're going to do like lewis black warned us..they're going to get the bomb and then 500 angry Iranians are going to throw it us...

Watch them call a Jihad and invade Iraq or something. Then we have a real shitstorm, pray or hope something like that doesn't happen.

bah fuck their Jihads...the Jihadists don't tend to last long against laser guided munitions anyways

I meant a serious Jihad. Not a bunch of terrorists running around. I meant a crusade-level Jihad. Thats likely not going to happen. At any rate, I just hope they don't do anything violent. The world, and the U.S., has enough to worry them besides them.

Maybe they plan to open their first nuclear power station or have their first nuclear test?

Who knows...

Who knows...

Their 'President' does...

Someone at Columbia Uni needs to leave a big mushroom tattoo on his forehead...