NationStates Jolt Archive

If Iran or Israel declared war upon one another, who would win?

Patrick Duffy.

America, of course!

oh well...

go iran?...

If you mean right now and if nukes are allowed and by "winning" you mean a succesfull counterstrike on a invading Iranian army then my anwser would be Israël.

With other words, your question is formulated in such a broad maner that its impossible to anwser correctly unless you give us the correct parameters.

My anwser would be entirely different if Iran had multiple nuclear missles. It would also be different if the arab nations wouldn't allow Iranian forces to march toards Tel Aviv. It would also be different if you gave me a specific victory condition. It would also be different if...etc etc etc.

Also a small nitpick in your formulation again: You don't win wars by declaring them, but by actually fighting them, which was obviously what you ment.

I think Israel would win, they're very resilient in regards to the neighbouring countries that have declared war on them at one time or another (six day war, yom kippur).

:mp5:

Also, if it came to war, I would be hoping that Israel would win.

[QUOTE=Pezalia;13068873]I think Israel would win, they're very resilient in regards to the neighbouring countries that have declared war on them at one time or another (six day war, yom kippur).
[QUOTE]

The 6 day war was declared by Isreal in response to heavy heavy egyptian army built up. To be even more precise; war wasn't even declared by Isreal as they launched a pre-emptive arial strike. To this day it is hotly debatted if the Egyptian manouver was merely a bluff or a serious threat.

Had to point this out for the sake of historical accuracy.

Everyone loses because the US would get involved and it would start a World War because at the very least Russia would get involved on the other side and it would spiral from there. The US is posturing about throwing rocks through people's windows, but Israel is doing it and some one needs to tell them to knock it the fuck off but they can't because of the US and the Holocaust.

Sunni's, Saudi ones doubly so

the Kurds will lose just because

Iran and Israel both have strong standing armies.

This alone will result in a possible stalemate. But neither will back down. This is when the heavy hitters come out.

Israel has missiles and no doubt Iran has missiles as well. There will be collateral damage.

Additionally other nations will step in.

But most people seem to be forgetting that the US is tied up in Iraq and in Afghanistan. If they reroute critical forces they risk upsetting a fragile climate (at least in Iraq, which is already on the fritz).

The US would try and provide forces but they would be creating a larger mess in the process.

This leaves most NATO countries to pick up the mess if Israel cries for help.

Russia is interesting. I doubt they would take a side. They would be in a great position to arm the two primary nations involved in the war. Yes it's profiteering but it would be advantageous for them to sell arsenal to both the Israelis and the Iranians. They would act indifferent to the war while initiating backroom deals.

As for other countries of the ME, depending if they were Shia or Sunni would they side with Iran? Likely only the Shia nations would at this point.

There is one strong-armed nation that hasn't been mention and it's Turkey. What would they do? Remember, they're a secular republic while Iran has its politics rooted in Islam and Israel with its in Judaism.

Turkey might remain neutral unless the conflict spills over into her lands.

Russia is interesting. I doubt they would take a side. They would be in a great position to arm the two primary nations involved in the war.
Wrong. Only Iran. The US is Israel's bitch and gives them stuff they arn't even allowed to offer to other countries. If the US gets directly involved, which it no doubt would, Russia will get involved directly on the other side with Iran. The US gets involved in a war that possibly threatens Russia giving them an excuse to join in? Putin would have a wargasm.

In a toe to toe standing army fight Israel would win...problem is on top of the standing army Iran has a radical wing of fanatics numbering in the thousands...who during the Iran Iraq war would run up to tanks with bombs strapped to themselves and blow the treads off of them that way...so it would depend if Israel could weather the storm if you will...It'd also depend on who is invading who...and all that

Terrorists.

Israel has missiles and no doubt Iran has missiles as well.

Iran indeed has missiles quite capable of reaching every location in Israel (not that they would have to go far, but hey).

Wrong. Only Iran. The US is Israel's bitch and gives them stuff they arn't even allowed to offer to other countries. If the US gets directly involved, which it no doubt would, Russia will get involved directly on the other side with Iran. The US gets involved in a war that possibly threatens Russia giving them an excuse to join in? Putin would have a wargasm.

CHINA might get involved, but I doubt Russia would be involved in any major fashion unless the US actually tried to take occupy Iran a'la Iraq, which would threaten their 'sphere of influence' in Central Asia (IE: The old Soviet/Russian Empire states.)
China, on the other hand, seems to love supplying weapons to everybody the US dislikes.
However, I doubt either of them would want open war with the US, we're all way too involved ineach others economies. Even Putin knows that Russia is doing a very careful balancing act in regards to its economy right now.

CHINA might get involved, but I doubt Russia would be involved in any major fashion unless the US actually tried to take occupy Iran a'la Iraq, which would threaten their 'sphere of influence' in Central Asia (IE: The old Soviet/Russian Empire states.)
China, on the other hand, seems to love supplying weapons to everybody the US dislikes.

Russia is quite a significant contributor to Irans controversial nuclear programme. They have a vested interest and quite decent relations.

Everyone loses because the US would get involved and it would start a World War because at the very least Russia would get involved on the other side and it would spiral from there.

Actually...I do not think that Russia will get involved.

As to the question...Israel because of their allies.

Russia is quite a significant contributor to Irans controversial nuclear programme. They have a vested interest and quite decent relations.

Russia does not want a nuclear weapons armed Iran next to them. What Russia offered Iran would have made sure that Iran did not get nuclear weapons but alas, Iran said no.

Terrorists.

You are correct sir.

Iran
Population: 70 million
Fighter/Strike Aircraft: 318
Active Troops: 440,000 (Army and IRGC)
Reserve Troops: Up to 20 million estimated Basij can be pulled up in 48 hours, plus 300,000 IRGC and Army Reservists)
Tanks: 2,200


Israel
Population: 7.1 million
Fighter/Strike aircraft: 305
Active Troops: 168,000
Reserve Troops: Whole able population can be called up correct? (2,961,249 able personnel)
Tanks: I can't find this on wiki, some help would be cool.

I have not used refueling, transport, trainer and other utility aircraft in the stats, I think their around the same. Both forces are equipped with similar equipment like towed artillery and the like I believe.

Iran
Population: 70 million
Fighter/Strike Aircraft: 318
Active Troops: 440,000 (Army and IRGC)
Reserve Troops: Up to 20 million estimated Basij can be pulled up in 48 hours, plus 300,000 IRGC and Army Reservists)
Tanks: 2,200


Israel
Population: 7.1 million
Fighter/Strike aircraft: 305
Active Troops: 168,000
Reserve Troops: Whole able population can be called up correct? (2,961,249 able personnel)
Tanks: I can't find this on wiki, some help would be cool.

I have not used refueling, transport, trainer and other utility aircraft in the stats, I think their around the same. Both forces are equipped with similar equipment like towed artillery and the like I believe.

Yea you might want to compare the technology levels too....Iran has older Soviet models...Israel develops its own modern tech weaponry..or gets it from the US or other western countries...not to mention especially if Iran attacked Israel that would lead to the collapse of the current regime

Saudi Arabia.

BTW, Iran is not going to declare war on Israel. Not unless Israel attacks first.

Which it has done several times already in "pre-emptive strikes".

If Iran or Israel declared war upon one another, who would win?Saudi Arabia.

BTW, Iran is not going to declare war on Israel. Not unless Israel attacks first.

Israel kicks arse. Here endoth the discussion.

Which it has done several times already in "pre-emptive strikes".If Israel attacks Iran.. then all what comes next is the fault of Israel.

... and viceversa.

Well I would be tempted to launch a preemptive strike too if a neighbor of mine was calling for attacks against me...openly saying they want my nation gone or at least the majority of my people...and then this neighbor is wanting to get nukes?..even when the entire world except maybe Russia and China is saying otherwise...

CHINA might get involved, but I doubt Russia would be involved in any major fashion unless the US actually tried to take occupy Iran a'la Iraq, which would threaten their 'sphere of influence' in Central Asia (IE: The old Soviet/Russian Empire states.)
China, on the other hand, seems to love supplying weapons to everybody the US dislikes.
However, I doubt either of them would want open war with the US, we're all way too involved ineach others economies. Even Putin knows that Russia is doing a very careful balancing act in regards to its economy right now.
China would supply them, but wouldn't likely get openly involved.

Well I would be tempted to launch a preemptive strike too if a neighbor of mine was calling for attacks against me...openly saying they want my nation gone or at least the majority of my people...and then this neighbor is wanting to get nukes?..even when the entire world except maybe Russia and China is saying otherwise...

Imagine all the strikes on the continental US if posturing was a valid reason for a preemptive strike...

Wrong. Only Iran. The US is Israel's bitch and gives them stuff they arn't even allowed to offer to other countries. If the US gets directly involved, which it no doubt would, Russia will get involved directly on the other side with Iran. The US gets involved in a war that possibly threatens Russia giving them an excuse to join in? Putin would have a wargasm.

Which why I said "back room deals". Russia would stand to gain from profiteering if it sold to two nations blowing each other up. They need ammunition, Russia supplies.

I concede that Russia would side with Iran IF the US got involved but as I mentioned, the US is knee-deep in the quagmire known as 'Iraq' with other active troops in Afghanistan. Pulling troops from Iraq would create a headache for the US.

CHINA might get involved, but I doubt Russia would be involved in any major fashion unless the US actually tried to take occupy Iran a'la Iraq, which would threaten their 'sphere of influence' in Central Asia (IE: The old Soviet/Russian Empire states.)
China, on the other hand, seems to love supplying weapons to everybody the US dislikes.
However, I doubt either of them would want open war with the US, we're all way too involved ineach others economies. Even Putin knows that Russia is doing a very careful balancing act in regards to its economy right now.

China... damnit, I forgot to add them into the equation.

Yes, another major player and I don't doubt that they would be open about supplying a king ransom in arsenal to Iran. They have the US eating out of its hand due to economic needs and pressure.

They would be indirectly involved, ie: supplying the Iranians with equipment but not sending in manpower.

Which it has done several times already in "pre-emptive strikes".

Um yea...only one time did Israel launch a pre-emptive strike :rolleyes:

After watching Fox News I have concluded that Iran,N.Korea,China,California and EU(the axis of evil) will get their asses kicked(by USA) in the coming WW3.

Imagine all the strikes on the continental US if posturing was a valid reason for a preemptive strike...

Thus why MAD is a nice thing to have...even though most of our enemies today could be wiped out with conventional weapons..of course we can't do that because unlike our counterparts we don't intentionally kill civilians..

Which why I said "back room deals". Russia would stand to gain from profiteering if it sold to two nations blowing each other up. They need ammunition, Russia supplies.
You arn't getting it. Israel won't be buying stuff from Russia. What they can't make themselves, they get from the US. What Russian anything does Israel use?

After watching Fox News I have concluded that Iran,N.Korea,China,California and EU(the axis of evil) will get their asses kicked(by USA) in the coming WW3.YEAH baby YEAH
letz kick some ebil ass.

YEAH baby YEAH
letz kick some ebil ass.

Okay Mr Powers...

Yea you might want to compare the technology levels too....Iran has older Soviet models...Israel develops its own modern tech weaponry..or gets it from the US or other western countries...not to mention especially if Iran attacked Israel that would lead to the collapse of the current regime

You might also want to compare the quality and motivation of the military personnel: Israel skims off the best and brightest recruits to serve in the air-force which is one of the reasons why their kill/loss ratio is so high. Past conflicts have also indicated that the superior morale and motivation of Israeli forces (knowing that losing even a single war will mean the end of their country) has allowed them to defeat numerically superior but poorly motivated enemies.

Israel, this thread fails due to lack of pollage.

Russia is quite a significant contributor to Irans controversial nuclear programme. They have a vested interest and quite decent relations.

Yes, but would they be willing to make the US that angry? They might supply some weapons, but I doubt they'd risk a significant involvement against the US, at least until their economy is functioning without life support.

China would supply them, but wouldn't likely get openly involved.

I agree. Unless it looks like the US is about to collapse, in which case the Chinese might get more involved.


China... damnit, I forgot to add them into the equation.

Yes, another major player and I don't doubt that they would be open about supplying a king ransom in arsenal to Iran. They have the US eating out of its hand due to economic needs and pressure.

They would be indirectly involved, ie: supplying the Iranians with equipment but not sending in manpower.

Quite.

You americans are paranoid stop watching CNN and fox.The world wont attack you.

You might also want to compare the quality and motivation of the military personnel: Israel skims off the best and brightest recruits to serve in the air-force which is one of the reasons why their kill/loss ratio is so high. Past conflicts have also indicated that the superior morale and motivation of Israeli forces (knowing that losing even a single war will mean the end of their country) has allowed them to defeat numerically superior but poorly motivated enemies.

That's also true...in the independence war the Israeli's were using lipstick casings in one instance to make bullet casings....teh crazy Jews...

You americans are paranoid stop watching CNN and fox.The world wont attack you.

But how will they know unless they watch? ;)

Who would win? The Defense Industry. Haliburtion. Exxon-Mobil. *nod*

I don't watch any news stations...they're all biased twats...I use multiple online sources not affiliated with any major news station..usually smaller lesser known groups or BBC...or the daily show/colbert report now there is some quality journalism ;)

If Iran or Israel declared war upon one another, who would win?
Israel. Because they've got a decent army. Iran really doesn't.

Israel vs. Syria would be slightly more interesting, although it's quite evident that the Israelis can penetrate the Syrian AA positions (albeit only when they're somewhat inactive).

If Iran or Israel declared war upon one another, who would win?

Israel in a New York Minute.

P.S. Your sig irks me.

Israel

If Iran or Israel declared war upon one another, who would win?

Gee... lets see here.

Iran's last was was with Iraq back when our beloved Ronald Reagan was in power.

They used boys and old men to clear mines, everyday citizens were drafted into militias, pilots that were in jail were taken out to fly Iran's military, and the regular army couldn't even use the guns sites properly on their Soviet tanks.

Israel on the other hand, has kicked ass using a relatively small amount of soldiers while being attacked by multiple countries simultaniously and somehow managed to inflict higher casualties while receiving very little themselves.

Given Israel's track record and Iran's fairly recent handling of a major eight year long war in a very poor manner, Israel would win no questions asked.

This of course, is JUST Israel vs. Iran for back of better terms. This is assuming no other countries would come to each other's aid, which certainly isn't the case.