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http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=276438&GT1=7702

So, if anyone else wants a TV show, go on a tear-filled, emo rant about something trivial and post it on the intertubes...

EDIT: Apparently some people don't know who Chris Crocker is...

He has his own Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Crocker_%28Internet_celebrity%29)
And this video made him an Intertube celebrity (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

Two questions:

1) Who?
2) Why would anyone care?

Two questions:

1) Who?
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE OR DEAL WITH ME

2) Why would anyone care?
Americans are idiots and will give any one with a modicum of popularity a tv contract.

'Rebel' character that people will find interesting?

I really don't want to hear about Chris Crocker's hair styling products collection or his Britney Spears albums.

Access to intertubes + free time = .....profit????

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE OR DEAL WITH ME


Americans are idiots and will give any one with a modicum of popularity a tv contract.

TV, no wonder they called it the "idiot box".

Plan is to develop a docusoap built around Crocker, a 19-year-old who lives with his grandparents in Tennessee. Even before the Britney clip, Crocker had developed a large Net audience via numerous video performances posted on MySpace.com.
A WHAT?
Seriously, people need to stop making up words. I dont even want to know what a 'docusoap' entails. Bad acting AND boring facts about some celebrity?

The real burning question though, does anybody even CARE about Britney spears anymore? I'm no celebrity hound, but since my parents love Fox and CNN, and thus far I've not heard a word about her in several years.

Although, I do have to say, at least this guy has potential to be entertaining. The guy who got 'most subscribed on Youtube' (and was raided by /b/. Not that I was involved with that at all.), HE was boring.

That's a guy?

Uh-uh. No. Sorry. That's what Michael Jackson would look like and sound like if the "whiteness" procedures actually worked. That's a sad, sad, little girl stuck in a chin-fuzzed boy's body.

That's a cry for attention, and someone -- as someone invariably does -- is going to give attention to it in spades. May God forgive this faded republic.

I guess this is going to be on one of those godawful channels like VH1 or MTV? He'd fit in quite nicely between re-runs of Laguna Beach.

May God forgive this faded republic.
To be fair, he gained his fame from an international audience through YouTube, so I blame the rest of the world just as much as the US.

Why is that dude in a tent?

And damn, Seth Green (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS-tUyoDufI&NR=1) is making video fun of him on the intertubes? Aaaah, should have waited for the video to end before I started posting, it was a segment on "The Soup."

I bet the Star Wars Kid is pissed he didn't get a show...

Hadn't heard of this dude until just now.

I was actually think about this phenomenon the other day. That whole '15 minutes of fame' thing is well traveled, but what Andy Wharol said was "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes." I think he was predicting YouTube.

That's a guy?

Uh-uh. No. Sorry. That's what Michael Jackson would look like and sound like if the "whiteness" procedures actually worked. That's a sad, sad, little girl stuck in a chin-fuzzed boy's body.

That's a cry for attention, and someone -- as someone invariably does -- is going to give attention to it in spades. May God forgive this faded republic.

We need to do what the Japanese did and start producing awesome game shows. Like Human Tetris (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kajMH2u0)

Leave Chris Crocker alone (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bCZSDxA8_JA&NR=1)

Edit : Damn beaten to it

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=276438&GT1=7702

So, if anyone else wants a TV show, go on a tear-filled, emo rant about something trivial and post it on the intertubes...

EDIT: Apparently some people don't know who Chris Crocker is...

He has his own Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Crocker_%28Internet_celebrity%29)
And this video made him an Intertube celebrity (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)
That wasn't why Chris Crocker is famous. It's all his bits. And he wasn't serious, he was being sarcastic like all his other bits. Of course your sense of humor would have to be intact for you to see that.

That's a guy?

Uh-uh. No. Sorry. That's what Michael Jackson would look like and sound like if the "whiteness" procedures actually worked. That's a sad, sad, little girl stuck in a chin-fuzzed boy's body.

That's a cry for attention, and someone -- as someone invariably does -- is going to give attention to it in spades. May God forgive this faded republic.

Homophobic much?

Homophobic much?

I don't see any homophobia in the quoted post.

I don't see any homophobia in the quoted post.

Calling an effeminate guy a girl in an audacious manner isn't homophobic? When did that change?

Calling an effeminate guy a girl in an audacious manner isn't homophobic? When did that change?

Calling an effeminate guy a girl has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Masculinity is not a synonym for Heterosexuality

Gay guys can be masculine and straight guys can be feminine. Sexual orientation has no part in the post you quoted

I don't see any homophobia in the quoted post.

Buzzwords are fun, arent they?

Buzzwords are fun, arent they?

Okay, try this then. Picking on someone for their mannerisms and style of dress is completly fucked.

Okay, try this then. Picking on someone for their mannerisms and style of dress is completly fucked.

Better ^_^

Calling an effeminate guy a girl has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Masculinity is not a synonym for Heterosexuality

Gay guys can be masculine and straight guys can be feminine. Sexual orientation has no part in the post you quoted

Chris is gay. Openly gay. I'm talking about his idiot comment about Chris. Not gay people as a whole.

Chris is gay. Openly gay. I'm talking about his idiot comment about Chris. Not gay people as a whole.

What part of the post was hostile to Chris' sexual orientation?

If you were to argue hostility towards his femininity then you may have a point but it had nothing to do with his sexual orientation

Or am I to assume that all hostility towards someone who is gay must be due to their sexual orientation and not just because of their personality

What part of the post was hostile to Chris' sexual orientation?

If you were to argue hostility towards his femininity then you may have a point but it had nothing to do with his sexual orientation

Or am I to assume that all hostility towards someone who is gay must be due to their sexual orientation and not just because of their personality
I see your trap and I'm not falling for it. I knew I should have just scripted out this little back and forth you're trying to have in my previous post just to get it over with.

NSG is a real life version of the Argument Clinic.

I see your trap and I'm not falling for it. I knew I should have just scripted out this little back and forth you're trying to have in my previous post. Just to get it over with.

NSG is a real life version of the Argument Clinic.

Fine. Don't have to debate if you don't want to :)

Fine. Don't have to debate if you don't want to :)

It's not really a debate so much as it is sex after you've been married for ten years. You know all the moves, you know how it's going to end. I'm just going to save us the bother and take the quickest way from point A to point B, you jerk off in the bathroom and I'll go play with my vibrating egg.

T.M.I.

Now play nice.

I love how no one realizes it's supposed to be funny...

T.M.I.

Now play nice.

Damn I suck at humor.:(

damn it! I knew I should have posted his video (as well as the 'Leave Chris Crocker alone' video)the other day with my prediction that he would likely get his own show. damn damn damn

I love how no one realizes it's supposed to be funny...

It's not just this forum. No one anywhere realizes it.

Hmm....

Russia Being a Land of Dip Shits...

ZOMBOID Meteor in Peru...

and an psycho idiot is getting his own TV show...

End of the World 101? :P

It's not just this forum. No one anywhere realizes it.

WHEN DID I SAY THE FORUM? DID YOU SEE THAT IN MY POST? HOW STUPID COULD YOU BE TO NOT SEE THAT I WAS IN FACT ALLUDING TO EVERYONE DOESN'T REALISE IT???

Just kidding. God, this forum has gotten tight, hasn't it? The sad thing is, people would actually complain about that these days.

For shame, NSG. For shame.

WHEN DID I SAY THE FORUM? DID YOU SEE THAT IN MY POST? HOW STUPID COULD YOU BE TO NOT SEE THAT I WAS IN FACT ALLUDING TO EVERYONE DOESN'T REALISE IT???

Just kidding. God, this forum has gotten tight, hasn't it? The sad thing is, people would actually complain about that these days.

For shame, NSG. For shame.

Oh thank goodness I'm not the only one that has noticed this shift. I was starting to think I'd completely lost my mind.

I love how no one realizes it's supposed to be funny...
Well if it had been funny instead of flaming...

Well if it had been funny instead of flaming...

Flaming...ly?

FLAMINGLY HOMOSEXUAL!?!?!?!?!?
WhAt KInd Of FREEEEEEKY BIGOAT R' U!!!!!?!?!
NOOT All "gays" R on FYAR!


Sorry..just keeping up with the hysteria.

He's an attention whore. When I first saw the video, I wasn't sure of his gender and then I realized he was a gay guy.

That wasn't why Chris Crocker is famous. It's all his bits. And he wasn't serious, he was being sarcastic like all his other bits. Of course your sense of humor would have to be intact for you to see that.

Nope. Sorry. Even if that's true, he did it too well. I know that sounds kinda stupid, but the problem is, I have no trouble at all believing that there's someone who feels that way, and that it would likely be an openly gay man, probably from the US South. Metropolitan gays, at least the ones I know, aren't particularly Britney fans.

If it is, indeed a giant hoax/act, at least it garnered him some attention, but man, a show? Imagine having to find something to get THAT upset about something every week. I will freely admit I was suckered if that's the case...furthermore, I'll endorse his receiving of a TV show, provided he can keep up that level of seamless satire without having to resort to being a one-trick pony. If he can write as well as he acts, there might be hope.

Homophobic much?

Oh please, not this shit again. I didn't mangle the guy because he's gay -- I didn't even know he was, though suspicions weren't exactly hard to drum up -- I mangled him because it's a childish (hence "girl") tantrum from someone literally screaming for attention with nothing better to do than get upset about how a pop tartlet's self-inflicted fall from grace is somehow undeserving of any attention...despite the fact that attention was what made her famous. If he's 19 or 20 and doesn't understand "live by the sword, die by the sword", that's not my problem. Neither is the fact that he really needs to lay off the eyeliner.

Calling an effeminate guy a girl has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Masculinity is not a synonym for Heterosexuality

Gay guys can be masculine and straight guys can be feminine. Sexual orientation has no part in the post you quoted

Thank you, and good night.

Okay, try this then. Picking on someone for their mannerisms and style of dress is completly fucked.

Okay. I'll cop to that. It happens to me all the time.

I figure someone willing to histrionicize on You Tube can probably take some ribbing about being inflammably effeminate. I mean to a ludicrous degree. See, it's that whole "sword" thing again.

Chris is gay. Openly gay. I'm talking about his idiot comment about Chris. Not gay people as a whole.

Why is it an idiot comment to slag someone for trying to be all tough ("yer gonna have to go through ME!") while wearing more eyeliner than the US Olympic Synchronized Swimming Team, and issuing said threat in a voice borrowed from The King of Pop -- all while wailing like a six-year-old who's doll and/or action figure has been stolen?

I love how no one realizes it's supposed to be funny...

Jury's still out. Seems to me that if you peg a vibe like Crocker did and peg it too well, you can't blame people for thinking that it's real. While it might be our fault that we don't "get it" -- part of the blame resides in the perpetrator of the gag.

It's not just this forum. No one anywhere realizes it.

Again, there may be more than one reason for that, and it might not lie with the percipient, but the purveyor.

Who's chris cocker?

Who's chris cocker?

No idea, but this topic is supposedly about a Chris Crocker.

Whoever he is.

Nope. Sorry. Even if that's true, he did it too well. I know that sounds kinda stupid, but the problem is, I have no trouble at all believing that there's someone who feels that way, and that it would likely be an openly gay man, probably from the US South. Metropolitan gays, at least the ones I know, aren't particularly Britney fans.
Yes and being gay is also the worldwide dream.

If it is, indeed a giant hoax/act, at least it garnered him some attention, but man, a show? Imagine having to find something to get THAT upset about something every week. I will freely admit I was suckered if that's the case...furthermore, I'll endorse his receiving of a TV show, provided he can keep up that level of seamless satire without having to resort to being a one-trick pony. If he can write as well as he acts, there might be hope.
He's been doing this for quite some time. He didn't get it for one video.



Oh please, not this shit again. I didn't mangle the guy because he's gay -- I didn't even know he was, though suspicions weren't exactly hard to drum up -- I mangled him because it's a childish (hence "girl") tantrum from someone literally screaming for attention with nothing better to do than get upset about how a pop tartlet's self-inflicted fall from grace is somehow undeserving of any attention...despite the fact that attention was what made her famous. If he's 19 or 20 and doesn't understand "live by the sword, die by the sword", that's not my problem. Neither is the fact that he really needs to lay off the eyeliner.
You want to go play Clintonese with someone, go play with Dundee. He seems to like that game.


Thank you, and good night.
Oh good. You two alrady know eachother. Run along and play now.

Okay. I'll cop to that. It happens to me all the time.[/QUOTE]

I figure someone willing to histrionicize on You Tube can probably take some ribbing about being inflammably effeminate. I mean to a ludicrous degree. See, it's that whole "sword" thing again.
[/QUOTE]
The bullied get a free pass to bully? Good to know.

Why is it an idiot comment to slag someone for trying to be all tough ("yer gonna have to go through ME!") while wearing more eyeliner than the US Olympic Synchronized Swimming Team, and issuing said threat in a voice borrowed from The King of Pop -- all while wailing like a six-year-old who's doll and/or action figure has been stolen?
It's called satire. It's a few steps above dick and fart jokes.


Jury's still out. Seems to me that if you peg a vibe like Crocker did and peg it too well, you can't blame people for thinking that it's real. While it might be our fault that we don't "get it" -- part of the blame resides in the perpetrator of the gag.

So because you don't find it funny then it must be real? So if someone doesn't see the humor in the Onion, then they aren't an idiot for thinking those are real news stories? Come on now! You can't tell me someone who starts a thread (as we've seen happen) with an Onion story, thinking it's real, won't get roasted alive on here. Doesn't matter if it's the first Onion story they ran across or that's their daily news source, it's okay to point out their idiocy.

Again, there may be more than one reason for that, and it might not lie with the percipient, but the purveyor.
The Onion isn't funny, therefore it's true.
The Daily Show isn't funny, therefore it's true.

I don't find Mel Brooks movies funny, does that mean they're documentaries?

The Onion isn't funny, therefore it's true.

It's been better I shall admit.

The Daily Show isn't funny

HEATHEN!

You want to go play Clintonese with someone, go play with Dundee. He seems to like that game.


I'm unfamiliar with this term. Care to explain?

It's been better I shall admit.

HEATHEN![/QUOTE]

Calm down. I was just using them as examples. Except Mel Brooks. I really hate Mel Brooks.

I'm unfamiliar with this term. Care to explain?

This should help (http://www.google.com).

This should help (http://www.google.com).

Cute :rolleyes:

Cute :rolleyes:

So if you could already find the answer for yourself, why did you want me to find it for you?

So if you could already find the answer for yourself, why did you want me to find it for you?

As a courtesy. I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you. We had our debate several pages back and our positions were made clear there. You believe that i'm twisting the meanings behind the quoted post (i assume) and I think you are ignoring the distinction between sexual orientation and masculinity. Lets just leave it at that

so Chris got his/her own show. but will it last?

As a courtesy. I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you. We had our debate several pages back and our positions were made clear there. You believe that i'm twisting the meanings behind the quoted post (i assume) and I think you are ignoring the distinction between sexual orientation and masculinity. Lets just leave it at that
No. I refused to have a debate with you. You didn't want to have a debate, you wanted to do that same old tired NSG wanking. Play verbal judo with someone else. It's gotten boring.

so Chris got his/her own show. but will it last?
Has any internet 'sensation' successfully (sustainably) made the transition from net to tube?

(I actually don't know the answer to that question...I have a guess, but that doesn't mean anything)

dude, Chris Crocker scares the fuck out of me...he is just WAY too weird

Looks like Ryan Seacrest might get replaced as the standard "that's gayer than " jokes.

Has any internet 'sensation' successfully (sustainably) made the transition from net to tube?

(I actually don't know the answer to that question...I have a guess, but that doesn't mean anything)

dunno, but I don't see chris being the first.

Yes and being gay is also the worldwide dream.

Whatever you say. That must have been funny to you in the same way that the Crocker video is supopsed to be "funny". I'll say it again -- if it's a parody, it's too close to a plausible reality to be anything but a curiosity. I didn't laugh, I cringed. And now that I've discovered that it was a stunt to pad his "I wanna be on TV!!!" resume, it's even less funny.


He's been doing this for quite some time. He didn't get it for one video.

If they're all in this same style, then I can see how TV would want him -- one never knows which particular oddity will top the You Tube list, and he's the flavor of the month. I will, however, give him much credit for inspiring the Seth Green parody, which, when I had thought Crocker was real, I thought was hilarious. For Crocker to have fooled a practiced satirist like Green is a good accomplishment.


You want to go play Clintonese with someone, go play with Dundee. He seems to like that game.

Okay, so making a Henry Rollins reference is somehow supposed to impress me? How, exactly? And how was I being in any way evasive? Let's see, I've admitted that I was suckered by the video, and even suggested that Crocker might even deserve his fifteen minutes, and more if he can be that seamless with any consistency. Seems to me like you're just getting pleasure from being confrontational. You thought I was slagging homosexuals, and even though I wasn't, you just can't forgive even the appearance of that. Not very open-minded.

Oh good. You two alrady know eachother. Run along and play now.

And now we have the condescension. Look, if you can't have a decent conversation without getting bitchy, then just stop talking. You've no basis to be snide. I conceded your point about the piece being a satire. What more do you want?

The bullied get a free pass to bully? Good to know.

And you get to twist my words. I never said that I, as someone who was bullied for being perceived as less than masculine, got to bully anyone else. I don't think I did, even in my first post. I don't think calling someone ludicrously effeminate qualifies as bullying. He's openly gay and relentlessly effeminate -- laughably so in the You Tube piece, what with all the crying over a pop tart like Britney. If you see that as bullying, I have to wonder how you're not losing organs with skin that thin.

It's called satire. It's a few steps above dick and fart jokes.

Which is why it didn't work on me as satire. For the Nth time, it was too plausible. If anything, that speaks to the fact that I know that there are people out there who might feel that way. my first clue should have been that he was willing to broadcast it on You Tube. Someone genuinely that hurt by Britney's persecution probably wouldn't post it online. My first reaction was incorrect with regard to it being a genuine plea for media clemency for the ex-Mouseketeer.

So because you don't find it funny then it must be real? So if someone doesn't see the humor in the Onion, then they aren't an idiot for thinking those are real news stories? Come on now! You can't tell me someone who starts a thread (as we've seen happen) with an Onion story, thinking it's real, won't get roasted alive on here. Doesn't matter if it's the first Onion story they ran across or that's their daily news source, it's okay to point out their idiocy.

I think I've already answered this, but what the hell, what's one more try? The Onion has a long history of being a satire newspaper before it was ever online. I'd never HEARD of Chris Crocker until I opened this thread the first time. Not only that, but The Onion offers clues, such as the pictures of the people they quote "on the street" never change. How the hell was I supposed to know Crocker was yanking America's chain, having never seen the man before? He's trying to be a latter-day Andy Kaufman, and that's not an easy path - it wasn't easy thirty years ago when the country MIGHT have been considered smarter.

Yes, someone who starts a thread with genuine indignation about an Onion story gets mocked. What clue in Crocker's video was supposed to give it away on first viewing? Hell, if someone had never heard of The Onion, and admitted to it, I'd cut them some slack. But what about someone who posts with MOCK indignation about an Onion story? How would you know they were kidding until they told you? There are several posters on NSG who do that. FreedomAndGlory comes to mind and a few newer ones who are just trying to get a rise out of the NSG population.

So because you're looking for a reason to fault me, you say "because you didn't think it was funny, it must be real." I won't rise to that obvious fabrication. I'll just repeat one MORE time that I fully admit to being caught by the brilliant execution of his video. I was incapable of finding it funny because I guess I don't find off-the-deep-end pathos to be funny unless I know up front that it's satire. My reaction to crying humans is sympathy until I learn more about what the problem is. Once I do, I re-evaluate and judge the need for sympathy. If it turns out that they're upset because someone died, then the sympathy continues. If I hear it's because the press are being hard on someone who had milked the press for fame in previous instances, then I have a hard time feeling anything but revulsion. Discovering that it's satire AFTER the revulsion sets it makes it very difficult for me to think it's funny.

If that is somehow wrong or otherwise makes you cast aspersions on my sense of humor, too bad.


The Onion isn't funny, therefore it's true.
The Daily Show isn't funny, therefore it's true.

I don't find Mel Brooks movies funny, does that mean they're documentaries?

And you continue to attempt to pound home a worthless analogy, and attack Mel Brooks in the process (I will grant you that everything after History of the World Part I, already one of his weaker films, gets much weaker). Fine. But you can't convert that syllogism anyway. "I thought it was real, so I didn't think it was funny" is not really convertible in the first place because it applies only to me. I never said "things that are real aren't funny". You're trying to paint me as an asshole because I didn't laugh at something you find uproarious. That says more about you than it does about me.

Whatever you say. That must have been funny to you in the same way that the Crocker video is supopsed to be "funny". I'll say it again -- if it's a parody, it's too close to a plausible reality to be anything but a curiosity. I didn't laugh, I cringed. And now that I've discovered that it was a stunt to pad his "I wanna be on TV!!!" resume, it's even less funny.
Erm, that was one of Crocker's more famous bits.


If they're all in this same style, then I can see how TV would want him -- one never knows which particular oddity will top the You Tube list, and he's the flavor of the month. I will, however, give him much credit for inspiring the Seth Green parody, which, when I had thought Crocker was real, I thought was hilarious. For Crocker to have fooled a practiced satirist like Green is a good accomplishment.
He'll be all talked about and the "it" thing of the moment just like Jesse was back in the 90's.

Okay, so making a Henry Rollins reference is somehow supposed to impress me? How, exactly? And how was I being in any way evasive? Let's see, I've admitted that I was suckered by the video, and even suggested that Crocker might even deserve his fifteen minutes, and more if he can be that seamless with any consistency. Seems to me like you're just getting pleasure from being confrontational. You thought I was slagging homosexuals, and even though I wasn't, you just can't forgive even the appearance of that. Not very open-minded.
Dan Savage actually. But close. Well, not really. One's a no talent middle aged burnout, the other's a gay sex advice columnist. And it was a response to your response. You want to argue the meaning of words out of context be my guest. Do it with someone who's not me.


And now we have the condescension. Look, if you can't have a decent conversation without getting bitchy, then just stop talking. You've no basis to be snide. I conceded your point about the piece being a satire. What more do you want?
You're trying to have the exact same argument Dundee was trying to have with me. The same tired NSG argument. The one we can pre-script it's so tired. And isn't snark the trademark of NSG?


And you get to twist my words. I never said that I, as someone who was bullied for being perceived as less than masculine, got to bully anyone else. I don't think I did, even in my first post. I don't think calling someone ludicrously effeminate qualifies as bullying. He's openly gay and relentlessly effeminate -- laughably so in the You Tube piece, what with all the crying over a pop tart like Britney. If you see that as bullying, I have to wonder how you're not losing organs with skin that thin.
And you call me bitchy.

Which is why it didn't work on me as satire. For the Nth time, it was too plausible. If anything, that speaks to the fact that I know that there are people out there who might feel that way. my first clue should have been that he was willing to broadcast it on You Tube. Someone genuinely that hurt by Britney's persecution probably wouldn't post it online. My first reaction was incorrect with regard to it being a genuine plea for media clemency for the ex-Mouseketeer.

I think I've already answered this, but what the hell, what's one more try? The Onion has a long history of being a satire newspaper before it was ever online. I'd never HEARD of Chris Crocker until I opened this thread the first time. Not only that, but The Onion offers clues, such as the pictures of the people they quote "on the street" never change. How the hell was I supposed to know Crocker was yanking America's chain, having never seen the man before? He's trying to be a latter-day Andy Kaufman, and that's not an easy path - it wasn't easy thirty years ago when the country MIGHT have been considered smarter.
For the Nth time in the same post maybe. You don't have to repeat yourself. It's okay to bundle up quotes. Just don't move them out of order or edit them.

Yes, someone who starts a thread with genuine indignation about an Onion story gets mocked. What clue in Crocker's video was supposed to give it away on first viewing? Hell, if someone had never heard of The Onion, and admitted to it, I'd cut them some slack. But what about someone who posts with MOCK indignation about an Onion story? How would you know they were kidding until they told you? There are several posters on NSG who do that. FreedomAndGlory comes to mind and a few newer ones who are just trying to get a rise out of the NSG population.
The link to his MySpace in the "about" section might be the first clue.

So because you're looking for a reason to fault me, you say "because you didn't think it was funny, it must be real." I won't rise to that obvious fabrication. I'll just repeat one MORE time that I fully admit to being caught by the brilliant execution of his video. I was incapable of finding it funny because I guess I don't find off-the-deep-end pathos to be funny unless I know up front that it's satire. My reaction to crying humans is sympathy until I learn more about what the problem is. Once I do, I re-evaluate and judge the need for sympathy. If it turns out that they're upset because someone died, then the sympathy continues. If I hear it's because the press are being hard on someone who had milked the press for fame in previous instances, then I have a hard time feeling anything but revulsion. Discovering that it's satire AFTER the revulsion sets it makes it very difficult for me to think it's funny.

If that is somehow wrong or otherwise makes you cast aspersions on my sense of humor, too bad.
Now all of a sudden you condede it's a farce, because in the last post of yours I responded to you said they jury was still out.

And you continue to attempt to pound home a worthless analogy, and attack Mel Brooks in the process (I will grant you that everything after History of the World Part I, already one of his weaker films, gets much weaker). Fine. But you can't convert that syllogism anyway. "I thought it was real, so I didn't think it was funny" is not really convertible in the first place because it applies only to me. I never said "things that are real aren't funny". You're trying to paint me as an asshole because I didn't laugh at something you find uproarious. That says more about you than it does about me.
I will fight to the bitter end on Mel Brooks.

You can laugh at it or not. It doesn't make your first comment non-assholish, which is fine. But you make a snarky comment, dont' be surprised when you get a snarky reply.

No idea, but this topic is supposedly about a Chris Crocker.

Whoever he is.

That was intended to be a joke

That was intended to be a joke

ZOMFGXXORS1111 YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO JOKE IN HERE!!!!!!!shift1:upyours:


This is NSG!!!!!! Serious Business only!!!!

No. I refused to have a debate with you. You didn't want to have a debate, you wanted to do that same old tired NSG wanking. Play verbal judo with someone else. It's gotten boring.

I fail to see the 'verbal judo' in there. No reference or allusion was made to his sexuality yet you see fit to accuse someone of being homophobic. Fair enough you conceded the point a few posts later so I don't see why this is continuing.

If you were sure of your position then defend it. Change my mind. Show me how accusations of 'being a girl' constitutes 'homophobia' rather than simply stating it.

Just when it seems she can't demean herself anymore, the silly bint shouts "more, more, more....". Then she starts sobbing uncontrollably.

Quality stuff really; if you want to promote shit TV, it might as well be really shit.

I love the Seth Green response on YouTube telling everyone to Leave Chris Crocker alone (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqkDm9UoKo&feature=bz301). :D

I fail to see the 'verbal judo' in there. No reference or allusion was made to his sexuality yet you see fit to accuse someone of being homophobic. Fair enough you conceded the point a few posts later so I don't see why this is continuing.

If you were sure of your position then defend it. Change my mind. Show me how accusations of 'being a girl' constitutes 'homophobia' rather than simply stating it.

How about try the one thing that's been the same through all of my replies to you. I'm not having this tired old NSG debate with you. No matter how you try to push my buttons, I'm not. You have been doing your damnedest to pull me in. I'm not biting.

So go ahead. Make your glib comment, and then try to suck me into this same old tired debate. I like how you keep poking your points into your replies to me. The ones I'm obviously ignoring.

Lemme guess, your next post is going to be something along the lines of "well, if you could defend your postition you'd debate me."

And I could say the same thing I"ve been saying, "no, just not arguing. KTHX"

And now that I've written that I'm sure the next will be, "that's exactly ture, you'd debate me if you knew you had a leg to stand on."

Me, "well I could defend my postion quite well. I've chosen not to say anything because I don't want to have this type of argument."

And then from there, you can throw in some reverse psychology and say "fine, don't debate me then." You'd probably also make fun of my horrible spelling and punctation at this point.

To which I'd reply, "I'm not playing this tired old NSG game."

And the thing is, you know exactly what game it is you are playing. You are trying to get me to say it as way to back into this debate. Now you are going to feign ignorance about the game for another few posts. And then we'll be back to the above.

Homophobic much?

Pardon, what has this got to do with homosexuality? the guy is a twitt, plain and simple. You don't need to swing out the H work to somehow claim he is a victim.

Oh, and he is 19. Reason why us gays look young - because we don't have a female partner who adds twenty years worth of aging in a space of 2 weeks worth of dating.

Erm, that was one of Crocker's more famous bits.

Erm...not to anyone who has never heard of the guy. This assumption that everyone SHOULD know who he is strikes me as your own brand of bullying. Until this thread, I'd never even heard the name. So if his bits are famous at all, they're famous to people who spend one hell of a lot of time online surfing MySpace or You Tube. I don't. Hence, not famous with me. Good for him if he makes a buck on the whole mess.

He'll be all talked about and the "it" thing of the moment just like Jesse was back in the 90's.

Agreed, but who's "Jesse"? Jackson?


Dan Savage actually. But close. Well, not really. One's a no talent middle aged burnout, the other's a gay sex advice columnist. And it was a response to your response. You want to argue the meaning of words out of context be my guest. Do it with someone who's not me.

Well, when I Googled "Clintonese", Rollins came up all over the first page. I know who Dan Savage is. His column, "Hey Faggot", ran (and for all I know, still runs) in the Seattle weekly rag The Stranger.

As for the semantics froofraw, fair enough. I'm done. I don't know when I'd started, but hey, that's life.

You're trying to have the exact same argument Dundee was trying to have with me. The same tired NSG argument. The one we can pre-script it's so tired. And isn't snark the trademark of NSG?

Huh. I suppose it's only "same" and "tired" because it happens to you so often. I've not seen Dundee's points raised all that often in any of the threads I've seen him in...or by anyone else for that matter. If you are constantly beset by semantic arguments, perhaps the problem doesn't like with NSG.

And you call me bitchy.

I do. You condescended by speaking to me like a child. My "keeping organs in" comment was merely a metaphor for thinking you're thin skinned. Which you seem to be. Don't worry, I don't consider it a character flaw or anything. I still maintain that being chided like a kindergartner is not anything I'd earned from you, but once again, that's life. I'm over it.

For the Nth time in the same post maybe. You don't have to repeat yourself. It's okay to bundle up quotes. Just don't move them out of order or edit them.

Never.

The link to his MySpace in the "about" section might be the first clue.

See, now, there you go again withyour assumptions. Where in the post was I commanded to check out his MySpace profile? Why would I want to? I took the OP at face value. My bad?

Now all of a sudden you condede it's a farce, because in the last post of yours I responded to you said they jury was still out.

I've conceded that I was fooled three times now, including this one. I don't see how that's "sudden". My first reaction was visceral and immediate. My second post contained the doubt present in the "jury's still out" statement. All subsequent posts have owned up to being fooled.

I even credited him with fooling Seth Green...

...Though the more I think about it, the more it's more likely that Green is parodying Crocker while KNOWING that Crocker was a parody in order to make himself funny to those who don't know Crocker was kidding.

Holy hairballs -- when does this downward spiral of "is he joking" stop? It stops being amusing when all the audience can do is try to figure out if they're being played. Doesn't this eventually lead to "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" syndrome? Whenever something outlandish shows up on TV or the Web, it'll immediately be dismissed. How can anything be funny if nobody can be sure if they're supposed to laugh or not?

Sure, it's high-concept audience manipulation, but is it comedy? Not from my perspective.

I will fight to the bitter end on Mel Brooks.

And you're welcome to. As I said, you'll have a supporter in me once you get to Spaceballs.

You can laugh at it or not. It doesn't make your first comment non-assholish, which is fine. But you make a snarky comment, dont' be surprised when you get a snarky reply.

Thou sayest. You obviously have a different threshold for assholes than I do. But now that this whole mess is known as parody, what does it matter what I think of Crocker? Surely a parodist can stand being called EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO PORTRAY.

Surely?

*snip*
Oh, and he is 19. Reason why us gays look young - because we don't have a female partner who adds twenty years worth of aging in a space of 2 weeks worth of dating.

Never thought of it that way...holy albatross, it's true, too.

Glad to be single, and now I know why.

I freaked out for a moment, because I thought you were talking about the football player who is a Safety with the Falcons, formerly of the Browns.

That would be awful.

Never thought of it that way...holy albatross, it's true, too.

Glad to be single, and now I know why.

I remember when i was at highschool - seeing all those guys destroy their lives. Thank god I'm gay - thas all i can say.

Has any internet 'sensation' successfully (sustainably) made the transition from net to tube?

(I actually don't know the answer to that question...I have a guess, but that doesn't mean anything)

Is that Drudge fellow still on TV? (I don't know, because I don't really watch much TV).

Has any internet 'sensation' successfully (sustainably) made the transition from net to tube?

(I actually don't know the answer to that question...I have a guess, but that doesn't mean anything)

In Crocker's case, I don't think it really matters, as long as he makes enough money to move to San Francisco.

Most young men like Chris, at loggerheads with their families and unwelcome in their communities, quickly give up. They either adapt to a closeted lifestyle or they run off to a big city, locate that city's gay neighborhood, take a job in a coffeeshop or bar or theater, and start anew. Chris may still do that. He's given himself until mid-June, the anniversary of his first internet video, to leverage enough money and opportunity out of his internet fame to escape his small town. If that doesn't work, he says, he'll consider doing something more old-fashioned, like buying a bus ticket.

http://www.elisanders.net/chriscrocker.html

For his sake, I hope it does.

Pardon, what has this got to do with homosexuality? the guy is a twitt, plain and simple. You don't need to swing out the H work to somehow claim he is a victim.

Oh, and he is 19. Reason why us gays look young - because we don't have a female partner who adds twenty years worth of aging in a space of 2 weeks worth of dating.

If you want to try to suck me into this nonsense too, just follow along from the sidelines. I hate repeating myself And in case you haven't noticed, there's two other people already trying to suck me into this debate I refuse to have. KTHX.

I guess that wasn't a DP.
Erm...not to anyone who has never heard of the guy. This assumption that everyone SHOULD know who he is strikes me as your own brand of bullying. Until this thread, I'd never even heard the name. So if his bits are famous at all, they're famous to people who spend one hell of a lot of time online surfing MySpace or You Tube. I don't. Hence, not famous with me. Good for him if he makes a buck on the whole mess.
You seemed to not know what I was refrencing. I was simply clarifying.

Agreed, but who's "Jesse"? Jackson?
Some homeless guy (if I remember right) that became an MTV celebrity in the 1990's. The MTV celebrity was the 90's version of the YouTube celebrity.


Well, when I Googled "Clintonese", Rollins came up all over the first page. I know who Dan Savage is. His column, "Hey Faggot", ran (and for all I know, still runs) in the Seattle weekly rag The Stranger.

As for the semantics froofraw, fair enough. I'm done. I don't know when I'd started, but hey, that's life.
Nice to know Rollins has added stealing other people's material to his resume. Savage has a penchant for inventing words that end up in everyday language. Santorum, pegging, and GGG are also his inventions.

The Stranger is his paper, and it's alive and well. He hasn't used "Hey faggot" as a greeting in his paper since the San Fancisco days (I believe). It hasn't been used for a very long time.

You say tomato and I say tomato. Dammit, I cannot find the Christopher Walken SNL sketch. Where's all the good bits when you need them.

Huh. I suppose it's only "same" and "tired" because it happens to you so often. I've not seen Dundee's points raised all that often in any of the threads I've seen him in...or by anyone else for that matter. If you are constantly beset by semantic arguments, perhaps the problem doesn't like with NSG.
It's the type of debate he's trying to have. And everyone knows it who's been here long enough. It's your typical NSG debate. And I'm far from the only one who notices it. We had one of this type of arguments in a GM moderation thread. We all had to laugh and say "yup, we are all Generalite aren't we?"

Edit: As a matter of fact, we are talking on this very subject right now.
From a long time NSer on GM:
And that's the way it's always been, people. NSG now is not much different from NSG when it first started up. Sure, there are different people, and there's a different rule set, but the basics--the way the arguments go, and all that--remain the same. It just takes a while to figure that out, which makes people come to the incorrect conclusion that things weren't always like that when in fact they WERE, the people just didn't realize it.

I do. You condescended by speaking to me like a child. My "keeping organs in" comment was merely a metaphor for thinking you're thin skinned. Which you seem to be. Don't worry, I don't consider it a character flaw or anything. I still maintain that being chided like a kindergartner is not anything I'd earned from you, but once again, that's life. I'm over it.
I think you are putting something into the tone of my posts that isn't there. I'm abrasive, snarky, blunt, and occasionally obnoxious. But not condescending, no.


Never.
In a house with a mouse maybe?


See, now, there you go again withyour assumptions. Where in the post was I commanded to check out his MySpace profile? Why would I want to? I took the OP at face value. My bad?
I meant on the youtube site. You knowhow there's a little blurb about the video off to the side. Is anyone with a MySpace ever supposed to be taken seriously?That last part is a joke. Or not so much a joke as my admonishment of people with MySpace accounts.


I've conceded that I was fooled three times now, including this one. I don't see how that's "sudden". My first reaction was visceral and immediate. My second post contained the doubt present in the "jury's still out" statement. All subsequent posts have owned up to being fooled.

I even credited him with fooling Seth Green...
Until the post I was responding to (your third post about it) you hadn't. I got bored and looked at the Seth Green thing.

...Though the more I think about it, the more it's more likely that Green is parodying Crocker while KNOWING that Crocker was a parody in order to make himself funny to those who don't know Crocker was kidding.
I think that's the plausible explanation.


Holy hairballs -- when does this downward spiral of "is he joking" stop? It stops being amusing when all the audience can do is try to figure out if they're being played. Doesn't this eventually lead to "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" syndrome? Whenever something outlandish shows up on TV or the Web, it'll immediately be dismissed. How can anything be funny if nobody can be sure if they're supposed to laugh or not?
Its' funny in the way Borat is funny. Not many people realized who the joke was on.

Sure, it's high-concept audience manipulation, but is it comedy? Not from my perspective.
And this coming from a Brooks fan. Pfft. :p


And you're welcome to. As I said, you'll have a supporter in me once you get to Spaceballs.
I've actually seen quite a bit. Including Spaceballs. I think I'd rather have experimental colon surgery than watch another Brook film.


Thou sayest. You obviously have a different threshold for assholes than I do. But now that this whole mess is known as parody, what does it matter what I think of Crocker? Surely a parodist can stand being called EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO PORTRAY.

Surely?
Well yeah. I never said you didn't, but I get to respond to said comment, seeing how this is a venue that allows for such.

I guess that wasn't a DP.

Double pene-- oh...yeah. I guess not...heh.

You seemed to not know what I was refrencing. I was simply clarifying.

I didn't, and thank you.

Some homeless guy (if I remember right) that became an MTV celebrity in the 1990's. The MTV celebrity was the 90's version of the YouTube celebrity.

Is that the guy with the greasy skin and gresier comb-over who drove a cab and wore those birth-control-frame glasses? I think that's right when I stopped watching MTV. Once "content" meant "anything but music".

Nice to know Rollins has added stealing other people's material to his resume. Savage has a penchant for inventing words that end up in everyday language. Santorum, pegging, and GGG are also his inventions.

Yeah, I know about the "frothy mix" and the others. Savage is a hero of mine, even if I occasionally screw up and betray my heterosity with my language or visceral reactions. It might be because I was labeled as "fag" the most often when I was insulted in school...that was despite the fact that once I'd discovered self-gratification, I was mostly fantasizing about the bullies' girlfriends.

Not that I'm trying to establish some sort of "gay cred", but I was the only guy willing to share a quad-occupancy hotel room with the three gey men in my vocal jazz ensemble in college. I learned a shit-ton about everything from how to dress and why "product" means more than the result of multiplying two numbers to...well...other things. Let's just say I had experiences that pretty much proved to me that while I can appreciate affection from all quarters, I overwhelmingly prefer women.

The Stranger is his paper, and it's alive and well. He hasn't used "Hey faggot" as a greeting in his paper since the San Fancisco days (I believe). It hasn't been used for a very long time.

It's been a while since I've read it regularly. Savage would do things like shell out the money for a pair gay boys to go to prom together in a limo and tuxes and the whole thing, usually when one of the numerous uptight suburbs of Seattle would collectively freak out (I'm trying to think of a suburb of Seattle that isn't uptight...nope, can't do it).

You say tomato and I say tomato. Dammit, I cannot find the Christopher Walken SNL sketch. Where's all the good bits when you need them.

Classic.

It's the type of debate he's trying to have. And everyone knows it who's been here long enough. It's your typical NSG debate. And I'm far from the only one who notices it. We had one of this type of arguments in a GM moderation thread. We all had to laugh and say "yup, we are all Generalite aren't we?"

Your deconstruction of it in your last response post to Dundee made it clear to me that I do know what you're talking about. Seeing it in the abstract made it painfully clear. I prefer to think of myself above such horseshit and for not paying close enough attention to my own discourse in such a way as to attempt to drag you through it all again, I apologize.

I think you are putting something into the tone of my posts that isn't there. I'm abrasive, snarky, blunt, and occasionally obnoxious. But not condescending, no.

Very well. One snark may be different from another, after all.

In a house with a mouse maybe?

That's more Richard Gere's thing, isn't it?

I meant on the youtube site. You knowhow there's a little blurb about the video off to the side. Is anyone with a MySpace ever supposed to be taken seriously?That last part is a joke. Or not so much a joke as my admonishment of people with MySpace accounts.

Understood. I have one, but it's mostly just to keep up with all the friends I left behind in western Washington.

Until the post I was responding to (your third post about it) you hadn't. I got bored and looked at the Seth Green thing.

I think that's the plausible explanation.

Glad I got something right.

Its' funny in the way Borat is funny. Not many people realized who the joke was on.

And I guess that's the difference. I laughed my ass off at Borat. Although I'd have to admit that were my brain made of clam chowder and I were at that Pam Anderson event, I can't say that my first thought would have been "this is a joke". I might have sussed it after a minute, but not right away.


And this coming from a Brooks fan. Pfft. :p

Brooks' humor is audience manipulation? I always thought it was puns, sight gags, and advanced Catskills material. If that's the case, then isn't all comedy a form of audience manipulation? Did I just answer my own question?

I've actually seen quite a bit. Including Spaceballs. I think I'd rather have experimental colon surgery than watch another Brook film.

'Nuff siad.

Well yeah. I never said you didn't, but I get to respond to said comment, seeing how this is a venue that allows for such.

And well you did. Again, the misunderstanding is entirely my fault. the more I read about Crocker, the more I root for him.

Double pene-- oh...yeah. I guess not...heh.


I didn't, and thank you.
:)


Is that the guy with the greasy skin and gresier comb-over who drove a cab and wore those birth-control-frame glasses? I think that's right when I stopped watching MTV. Once "content" meant "anything but music".
No it was after him. He looked like a real life non-goth Jack Skellington and talked like he was stoned and brain damaged. And wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Camp) saves teh day. Damn, does everyone have a wiki page? He waseverywhere for about 3 months, then he vanished into the ether.

Yeah, I know about the "frothy mix" and the others. Savage is a hero of mine, even if I occasionally screw up and betray my heterosity with my language or visceral reactions. It might be because I was labeled as "fag" the most often when I was insulted in school...that was despite the fact that once I'd discovered self-gratification, I was mostly fantasizing about the bullies' girlfriends.
Dan Savage pwns all.

Not that I'm trying to establish some sort of "gay cred", but I was the only guy willing to share a quad-occupancy hotel room with the three gey men in my vocal jazz ensemble in college. I learned a shit-ton about everything from how to dress and why "product" means more than the result of multiplying two numbers to...well...other things. Let's just say I had experiences that pretty much proved to me that while I can appreciate affection from all quarters, I overwhelmingly prefer women.
If you say you are metrosexual I'm coming to your house and beating you with a hammer.


It's been a while since I've read it regularly. Savage would do things like shell out the money for a pair gay boys to go to prom together in a limo and tuxes and the whole thing, usually when one of the numerous uptight suburbs of Seattle would collectively freak out (I'm trying to think of a suburb of Seattle that isn't uptight...nope, can't do it).
Because it can't be said enough; Dan pwns all.


Classic.
Indeed.

Your deconstruction of it in your last response post to Dundee made it clear to me that I do know what you're talking about. Seeing it in the abstract made it painfully clear. I prefer to think of myself above such horseshit and for not paying close enough attention to my own discourse in such a way as to attempt to drag you through it all again, I apologize.
:fluffle:
Once a Generalite...

You can take the Generalite out of NSG, but you can't take....

Eh, I got nothing.


Very well. One snark may be different from another, after all.
Indeed it can be.


That's more Richard Gere's thing, isn't it?
I think gerbils are more up his, erm, alley.

Understood. I have one, but it's mostly just to keep up with all the friends I left behind in western Washington.
Facebook FTW. At least there's not the annoying background, embedded music, and wanna be pr0n stars.


Glad I got something right.
:fluffle:

And I guess that's the difference. I laughed my ass off at Borat. Although I'd have to admit that were my brain made of clam chowder and I were at that Pam Anderson event, I can't say that my first thought would have been "this is a joke". I might have sussed it after a minute, but not right away.
Borat was brilliant on so many levels. It really was.


Brooks' humor is audience manipulation? I always thought it was puns, sight gags, and advanced Catskills material. If that's the case, then isn't all comedy a form of audience manipulation? Did I just answer my own question?
Nah, Brook's humor just sucks.:p Then again, I can count the number of times I've laughed at physical humor on one hand. That scene from Samurai Fiction being the last time in the past five years.


'Nuff siad.
Indeed.

And well you did. Again, the misunderstanding is entirely my fault. the more I read about Crocker, the more I root for him.
I'd like him to get his own TV show. I really would. He didn't set out to get his on show, lots of people hate him, therefore I want him to be a huge success. I perpetually cheer for the underdog, anti- hero, and in comic books, the villan (most of the time).

If you say you are metrosexual I'm coming to your house and beating you with a hammer.

I do dress in clothes that actually fit me now, though. I had a "What Not To Wear" moment with a colleague at my university. It seems that when i first was able to afford my own clothes when I left home to go to college, it was 1990. What was in? Baggy. The Levi's Silver Tab fad was in and I fell for it. As such, most of the clothes I'd bought for myself have been too big for me, which made me look even heavier than I was. At 6' 220, I looked like 250. I dropped down to 202, and my colleague said I had to go shopping with her. Admittedly, it was to Banana Republic and Geoffrey Beene outlet stores, and Old Navy, but I'm a music professor, I don't make money.

I look much better now, but I am FAR from "metro". Just because I know that "product" refers to shit you put in your hair doesn't mean I obsess over it -- or even use it. Besides, the look now is that whole disorganized "bed head" bullshit that looks like someone meringued your head and styled it with a hand mixer. I take what I like from new looks and get on with life...in clothes that don't make me look like I just dropped a load in my pants or like I'm wearing a button-down sateen tent.

I'd like him to get his own TV show. I really would. He didn't set out to get his on show, lots of people hate him, therefore I want him to be a huge success. I perpetually cheer for the underdog, anti- hero, and in comic books, the villan (most of the time).

I'm an underdog fan, too. When I write or arrange music, my copyright is Infradog Music. As in "Infradog -- when underdog is too optimistic."

I like anyone pissing off the status quo, so long as it isn't gratuitous. You know the type I mean. The whole "look at me, I'm being bad!" pretension.