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I am pretty passionate on this topic but it has been discussed here so often that I can hardly bring myself to comment.

A man should not be allowed to require a woman to have an abortion or keep a child. However, a man should not be required to pay for a child that he does not want brought into this world. If a man puts the woman he impreganted on notice of the fact that he is unwilling to pay for the child should she keep it, she should be estopped from going after him for child support. He would also be waiving any parental rights that he would otherwise have had.

A woman must get the father's consent before putting the child up for adoption.

If only one parent wants to adopt out a child then the one resisting adoption should be the sole parent of the child and the other parents waives rights and is freed from obligations.

This is what I think is fair. I also think that no welfare should be available for families that experienced financial hardship during the decision to keep the child. If the single family cannot provide for the child's health on their own or with help from charities or other family members, then the single parent should put the child up for adoption or else be subject to child neglect or child abuse charges and have the child forceably removed from their evil little grasping clutches.

Abortion is in direct opposition to freedom. The freedom for the fetus to develop, mature, and become a productive member of society.

Nobody has the right to terminate the fetus, the fetus is sole owner of thier own life. To kill the fetus is to admit you own the fetus, which is slavery.

Then they can do it on their own ... we can set them free if that is what you wish


Some choicetards try to go around that argument because they have right over thier body, and the fetus is unwanted, so they have the right to expell it.

No.. you don't..

Ad hominim argument ... not very good at debate are you?


The moment you decided to have sex, regardless of the birth control or condoms or voodoo prayers you did, you took into consideration the risks you might get pregnant.

Just like a driver chooses to take the risk of driving ... we still allow them medical treatment

Your body is still your property, but untill the fetus is in a position to no longer need to live in there, you owe the labor required to carry this child to term.

Kind of sounds like an indentured servant to me ... complete without rights to their own body or medical care.

What kindof assholes do we have to tolerate if they can't even give thier own kids the chance to live life? No-one's even asking these bastards to be parents, just not kill thier babies, and they can't even do that. Pathetic.

If I remember right the stats most of them are already parents... either way more emotive and incorrect fluff in most cases.

This country is very backward in who gets what amount of freedom. A selfish prick who can't even stop themself from having sex in such a way to avoid pregnancy (comeon, how hard is it NOT to cum inside a woman?), but to be so narscistic and idiotic as to believe they're entitled to litteraly kill thier own kid, because hey, it's cutting into me-time!

Again a majority of abortions are carried out by people who are already parents not to mention rape victims incest victims and all the other situations that bring about pregnancy. And reasons to end it (medical to name one)

Either way like most people who are against abortions you are probably one of those optimistic people who think everything can be wiped away by the "adoption" magic wand.


Those who have abortions should be trialed for murder.
If only stupidity was a crime...[/QUOTE]

Nobody has the right to terminate the fetus, the fetus is sole owner of thier own life. To kill the fetus is to admit you own the fetus, which is slavery.




Off topic a bit, but look at it this way. Better to toss a fetus then an unwanted child like the Greeks used to. Another thought a child can't survive on its own, would you prefer newborns starve? Because that is where your argument leaves us. With unwanted children being starved because the person who gives birth to them doesn't want them and refuses to pay for food for them.

See how bad arguments are a pain in the butt...take a philosophy course or two.

*snip*

Don't feed the troll!

responsibility and authority go hand-in-hand. as long as it remains within her body, a woman has full authority and thus responsibility. After, both parents are equal. This equality is trashed by the unjust laws that give women all the authority, but all the responsibility goes to men. a just system would allow either parent to place children up for adoption, or neither parent. both parents would be viewed equally responsible for the financial support of children, and both would be viewed as equally deserving of custody.What system do you live in where this it is the case that "women have all the authority"?

This is what I think is fair. I also think that no welfare should be available for families that experienced financial hardship during the decision to keep the child. If the single family cannot provide for the child's health on their own or with help from charities or other family members, then the single parent should put the child up for adoption or else be subject to child neglect or child abuse charges and have the child forceably removed from their evil little grasping clutches.You'd rather pay an orphanage or foster parent but not a welfare parent?

Abortion is in direct opposition to freedom. The freedom for the fetus to develop, mature, and become a productive member of society.The fetus doesn't in and of itself merit freedom.

What kindof assholes do we have to tolerate if they can't even give thier own kids the chance to live life? No-one's even asking these bastards to be parents, just not kill thier babies, and they can't even do that. Pathetic.A fetus isn't a baby or a child.

What system do you live in where this it is the case that "women have all the authority"?

You'd rather pay an orphanage or foster parent but not a welfare parent?

On women having all of the authority to decide to have an abortion: It is a woman's body that carries the child. If she does not want to, then she should be free to get an abortion.

On orphanages and foster parents: If a woman decides to bring a child into a world of poverty or other woes, how can it be said that she truly is looking out for the child's best interest? Something seems to be wrong with her and I don't know about you but I do not want goofy people raising the next generation of citizens of our great country. Do you?

I am pretty passionate on this topic but it has been discussed here so often that I can hardly bring myself to comment.

A man should not be allowed to require a woman to have an abortion or keep a child. However, a man should not be required to pay for a child that he does not want brought into this world. If a man puts the woman he impreganted on notice of the fact that he is unwilling to pay for the child should she keep it, she should be estopped from going after him for child support. He would also be waiving any parental rights that he would otherwise have had.

A woman must get the father's consent before putting the child up for adoption.

If only one parent wants to adopt out a child then the one resisting adoption should be the sole parent of the child and the other parents waives rights and is freed from obligations.

This is what I think is fair. I also think that no welfare should be available for families that experienced financial hardship during the decision to keep the child. If the single family cannot provide for the child's health on their own or with help from charities or other family members, then the single parent should put the child up for adoption or else be subject to child neglect or child abuse charges and have the child forceably removed from their evil little grasping clutches.

After my last post, I reread your quote and it did not sound like something I wrote. I have reposted my earlier quote. It does not mention the word "authority" in it anywhere. I am confused. It seems like someone else's quote was put into mine.

Here are two out there questions.

What if the man uses the condom and then the woman uses the sperm from the condom to make hereself pregnant?

The other is what happens if the women is not drunk and then 'encourages' the man to have carnal relations with her?

On women having all of the authority to decide to have an abortion: It is a woman's body that carries the child. If she does not want to, then she should be free to get an abortion.Grebc said that women had all the authority about everything, like whether or not to give the child up for adoption. If it were merely about having all of the authority to have an abortion then it would make sense.

On orphanages and foster parents: If a woman decides to bring a child into a world of poverty or other woes, how can it be said that she truly is looking out for the child's best interest? Something seems to be wrong with her and I don't know about you but I do not want goofy people raising the next generation of citizens of our great country. Do you?Are you saying that the impoverished chouldn't have the right to procreate?

After my last post, I reread your quote and it did not sound like something I wrote. I have reposted my earlier quote. It does not mention the word "authority" in it anywhere. I am confused. It seems like someone else's quote was put into mine.No, the quote about authority was from someone else's post. Then I quoted your post, and after your post I quoted someone else's post. The owners of those posts can be seen in the initial quote boxes.

Here are two out there questions.

What if the man uses the condom and then the woman uses the sperm from the condom to make hereself pregnant?

The other is what happens if the women is not drunk and then 'encourages' the man to have carnal relations with her?

Good point...seems near rape to me...sex under false pretenses.

Yes, i did say that women have the authority. It's pretty obvious why they have the authority while a fetus is within their womb, but for some reason, after a child is born, the authority is still given to women while men hold the responsibility. I rather feel that it should be an equal sharing of both.

What I can't believe is you're only mad because you can't kill the baby yourself.

Women and men should both be heald responsible for that child.

Women should have to go through nine months of labor
And men should have to pay child support

In the event the male gets the child, women should have to give birth then pay child support.


I don't give a shit what choicers think. If you had rammed your car into my property, I expect you to pay me back. I don't care if you were doped up, depressed, fifteen, or make a low income.


The same goes for abortion. If some guy rammed his dick inside your vagina, and was too stupid to pullout, then you both owe that baby your labor. Wether you were doped up, depressed, fifteen, or make a low income.


Why don't people actually bother to read a post before replying to it? I mean....even quoting me without actually reading what I typed. Mad because I can't choose an abortion for someone else? That goes 180 degrees away from what I think and had nothing whatsoever to do with what I said. Once a child is born in the United States, mothers are automatically given the ability to put a child up for adoption....even in many cases where the father wants custody of the child. Mothers have a huge advantage when a court determines custody in case of divorce, etc.

Hahahhaah, very nice Brevious:D

Here are two out there questions.

What if the man uses the condom and then the woman uses the sperm from the condom to make hereself pregnant?

That's a disturbing thought, actually, if you've ever seen what nonoxynol-9 does on contact with sperm. The ones that survive ....
http://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/userimage/Lou-Ferrigno.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/2/fry.jpg
http://www.geetan.com/images/content/bush_monkey.jpg
http://www.zombiereagan.com/street/portrait.jpg

These are just examples, of course ....