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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A judge on Tuesday gave Fred Goldman a week to come up with a list of sports memorabilia O.J. Simpson is accused of stealing from a Las Vegas hotel room.

But the judge refused to order Simpson to hand over his earnings from everything from autograph signings to videogames.

If the Goldman family has its way, it may wind up owning the sports memorabilia Simpson is accused of committing armed robbery to recover for himself.

Since winning a multimillion-dollar settlement against Simpson in Ron Goldman's death, the family has waged a decade-long campaign to track down and claim Simpson's assets.
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David Cook, an attorney for Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, said he believed Nevada authorities would turn over the items with a court order after Simpson's criminal case finishes. The items include Simpson's Hall of Fame certificate, a gold Rolex watch and the suit Simpson wore on the day he was acquitted, Cook said.

Source: CNN/AP/OccNEWS
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/18/simpson.goldmans.ap/index.html?section=cnn_la
Its all about money..
I wonder what are they going to do with OJs Hall of Fame certificate?

Hang it on the wall as a trophy?
Smoke a cigar with it it?

or ..sell it?

they'll sell it.

OJ claimed that he didnt go to the police because they dont take his complaints seriously but he really didnt go to the police because they would have had to give the stuff they recovered to the goldman family instead of to OJ.

OJ claimed that he didnt go to the police because they dont take his complaints seriously but he really didnt go to the police because they would have had to give the stuff they recovered to the goldman family instead of to OJ.maybe.. but we are some 4 hours into CNN/FOX intensive coverage..

And yet so far.. after interviewing a dozen of people including some that were in the room.. CNN/FOX have managed to avoid asking the Most important question.

that makes for some very fair-n-balanced coverage.

whats the most important question?

whats the most important question?Mr Chief of Vegas Police, OJ is accused of ARMED robbery..
Was OJ holding a gun?
Who had a gun? where is the Gun? Was there a gun? evidence?

Its all about money..
I wonder what are they going to do with OJs Hall of Fame certificate?

Hang it on the wall as a trophy?
Smoke a cigar with it it?

or ..sell it?

It's about getting what little justice possible. The only thing they can get is money. I'm sure they are using the money in some sort of foundation. They don't need the blood money but it's the only punishment they have.

It's not about money. It's about making the guy who cut their son's head off suffer as much as possible. How oudl you feel if the guy who cut your son's head off didn't go to jail, and then when he lost teh civil suit claimed he didn't have any money left and then for the last deacde and a half was seen playing golf at expensive clubs in Florida, dining at fine dining establishments with beautiful young women and driving around in sprts cars? Id' wanna take everything I could from him. He's lucky he's still alive because if I was Fred Goldman I'd have spent whatever money I could to see him tortured to death.

whats the most important question?any 8 years old knows that is the very first question to ask.

But since FOX/CNN are only looping hundreds of times the same videos clips.. the Ploce chief reading his statement.. "OJ has been arrested for Armed robbery".. followed by other repeting clips..
and none of the CNN/FOX "anchors" want to ask the obvious questions.. Then I guess most of Americans think by now that OJ was wielding a gun.

It's not about money. It's about making the guy who cut their son's head off suffer as much as possible. How oudl you feel if the guy who cut your son's head off didn't go to jail, and then when he lost teh civil suit claimed he didn't have any money left and then for the last deacde and a half was seen playing golf at expensive clubs in Florida, dining at fine dining establishments with beautiful young women and driving around in sprts cars? Id' wanna take everything I could from him. He's lucky he's still alive because if I was Fred Goldman I'd have spent whatever money I could to see him tortured to death.

That's not how justice works. The family is entitled to believe that they should have made a pauper out of him, even kill him, but who would respect any court that gave them that wish?

any 8 years old knows that is the very first question to ask.

But since FOX/CNN are only looping hundreds of times the same videos clips.. the Ploce chief reading his statement.. "OJ has been arrested for Armed robbery".. followed by other repeting clips..
and none of the CNN/FOX "anchors" want to ask the obvious questions.. Then I guess most of Americans think by now that OJ was wielding a gun.

What obvious question? :confused:

They don't need the blood money ...hmm
they can get some blood money for the watch...

but what do they want the bloody Suit for?
and of course a bloody Hall-of-Fame certificate always look good on the main hall.

Mr Chief of Vegas Police, OJ is accused of ARMED robbery..
Was OJ holding a gun?
Who had a gun? where is the Gun? Was there a gun? evidence?
No - does the glove fit?

Mr Chief of Vegas Police, OJ is accused of ARMED robbery..
Was OJ holding a gun?
Who had a gun? where is the Gun? Was there a gun? evidence?

they know that OJ wasnt holding a gun. they have some kind of video tape dont they?

it doesnt matter that he wasnt holding it. those who were were there are OJs behest. that makes him guilty of armed robbery.

Blueblood;13064683']That's not how justice works. The family is entitled to believe that they should have made a pauper out of him, even kill him, but who would respect any court that gave them that wish?

Actually, that's exactly how it works. When they lost the criminal case they filed a wrongful death case against Simpson and won. Everything they've done since then has been about using the authority of that court order to collect on the judgement. They were given the rights to his book based on that judgement and are now trying to get the rights to his memorabilia based on that judgement. There is a lot of speculation, and I believe it, that this whole thing started because Simpson wanted these guys to sell this stuff in their names and then cut him in under the table so he could hide the income so he wouldn't have to pay - and I believe that.

What obvious question? :confused:Was he holding a gun?

hmm
they can get some blood money for the watch...

but what do they want the bloody Suit for?
and of course a bloody Hall-of-Fame certificate always look good on the main hall.

it doesnt matter what they want it for. they have a right to do with it as they please. they can sell it to fund their future actions against oj. they can burn it. they can stuff it and use it as a kind of dart board.

Blueblood;13064683']That's not how justice works. The family is entitled to believe that they should have made a pauper out of him, even kill him, but who would respect any court that gave them that wish?

On February 5, 1997 a civil jury in Santa Monica, California found Simpson liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Ronald Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown. The attorney for plaintiff Fred Goldman (father of Ronald Goldman) was Daniel Petrocelli. Simpson was ordered to pay $33,500,000 in damages. However, California law protects pensions from being used to satisfy judgments, so Simpson was able to continue much of his lifestyle based on his NFL pension. A 2000 Rolling Stone article reported that Simpson also still makes a significant income by signing autographs. He subsequently moved from California to Miami, Florida. In Florida, a person's residence cannot be seized to collect a debt under most circumstances. It was also reported that Simpson's Heisman Trophy was seized as an asset to pay the judgment. His payment for appearing in the video game All Pro Football 2K8 was also seized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Simpson

Noyou know that.. and so do I.

but call any of your friends or make a random call in the Us rite now.. chances are he/she think he was actually armed.

Was he holding a gun?

That makes no difference at all. You can't rob a bank with a bunch of armed guys and then claim you weren't a part of an armed robbery because you didn't have a gun - and actualy the media has covered that extensively. The people at Fox probably figured that most people know that so they don't bother asking that stupid question. Trust me on this, a guy I grew up with is currently in prison for multiple armed robberies and first degree murder and all he did was drive the car.

you know that.. and so do I.

but call any of your friends or make a random call in the Us rite now.. chances are he/she think he was actually armed.

Not one person I know thinks he was armed. Anyone who has read, listened or watched anything about this case knows Simpson didn't have the gun/guns. They also all know it makes no difference if he did or didn't.

they know that OJ wasnt holding a gun. they have some kind of video tape dont they?They have a video tape?
Good.
Then Why CNN/FOX has never asked the next logical question.

What is the name of the Person wielding the Gun?

They also all know it makes no difference if he did or didn't.Some man almost got Deathed in Texas.. because in Texas it does makes no difference either.

It's not about money.seems like it.
It's about making the guy who cut their son's head off suffer as much as possible.sorry, but he was found not guilty of that. How would you like to be found not guilty yet still have that thrown in your face each and every time?
How would you feel if the guy who cut your son's head off didn't go to jail, and then when he lost teh civil suit claimed he didn't have any money left and then for the last deacde and a half was seen playing golf at expensive clubs in Florida, dining at fine dining establishments with beautiful young women and driving around in sports cars?I'd call an audit on his ass. after all, playing golf at expensive clubs doesn't mean he paid for it, He could be playing as a guest. same with dining with other people. His dates could've paid for it. However, an audit could be ordered by the courts and the financial truth revealed.
Id' wanna take everything I could from him. He's lucky he's still alive because if I was Fred Goldman I'd have spent whatever money I could to see him tortured to death.careful, that could lead to a countersuit of stalking and other legal actions that OJ (or whomever your subject is ;)) to get out of his legal obligations.

one interesting point is "Where is the money the Goldmans are recieving going to?"

Not that there's anything wrong with them using the money to buy a summer home somewhere... just curious.

They have a video tape?
Good.
Then Why CNN/FOX has never asked the next logical question.

What is the name of the Person wielding the Gun?

are you thinking that the guy with the gun is someone we would really like to know the indentity of?

they probably asked off camera who the guys with OJ were and decided that the answer wasnt newsworthy.

seems like it.
sorry, but he was found not guilty of that. How would you like to be found not guilty yet still have that thrown in your face each and every time?
I'd call an audit on his ass. after all, playing golf at expensive clubs doesn't mean he paid for it, He could be playing as a guest. same with dining with other people. His dates could've paid for it. However, an audit could be ordered by the courts and the financial truth revealed.
careful, that could lead to a countersuit of stalking and other legal actions that OJ (or whomever your subject is ;)) to get out of his legal obligations.

one interesting point is "Where is the money the Goldmans are recieving going to?"

Not that there's anything wrong with them using the money to buy a summer home somewhere... just curious.

My understanding is that the Goldman's are pretty wealthy in their own right and the only thing that's about the money is about taking it from OJ to satisfy the judgement. As for what they are doing with it.

The family and publisher have pledged to leave Simpson's manuscript entirely intact, but they will also add key commentary," Wright said in a prepared statement. "The Goldmans, the publisher and Sharlene Martin will all contribute portions of sales proceeds to the Ron Goldman Foundation for Justice."

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

Trust me on this, a guy I grew up with is currently in prison for multiple armed robberies and first degree murder and all he did was drive the car.driving the car is all it takes these days in Texas.

and -i guess- in your state too.

seems like it.
sorry, but he was found not guilty of that. How would you like to be found not guilty yet still have that thrown in your face each and every time?
I'd call an audit on his ass. after all, playing golf at expensive clubs doesn't mean he paid for it, He could be playing as a guest. same with dining with other people. His dates could've paid for it. However, an audit could be ordered by the courts and the financial truth revealed.
careful, that could lead to a countersuit of stalking and other legal actions that OJ (or whomever your subject is ;)) to get out of his legal obligations.

one interesting point is "Where is the money the Goldmans are recieving going to?"

Not that there's anything wrong with them using the money to buy a summer home somewhere... just curious.


it is and it isnt about money

its NOT about the goldmans getting rich off the backlash opinion of OJ being aquitted.

it IS about the goldmans trying to make OJ's life as difficult as possible.

they dont get much money out of OJ. and if they are to continue pursuing the judgement against him they need every penny they can get from him to fund it.

no one is getting rich off this.

driving the car is all it takes these days in Texas.

and -i guess- in your state too.

California and I beleive most if not all states - as it should.

are you thinking that the guy with the gun is someone we would really like to know the indentity of?Of course I want to know.





Also there is allegations that some of the people going along with OJ to that place set-him up.. So I want to know if the person holding the gun was one of these peoples.

California and I beleive most if not all states - as it should.fine, so Driving the Car is all it takes in Texas and California.

Of I want to know.

Also there is allegations that some of the people going along with OJ to that place set-him up.. So I want to know if the person holding the gun was one of these peoples.

No, the allegations are that the people who they robbed were setting him up - not the people he took with him. How much sense does that make? Would you set up someone for armed robbery by committing the crime with him? I got an idea - there's this person I hate so I'm going to go with him to commit an armed robbery and I'll hold the gun so that when I get arrested, tried and sent to jail he'll go with me.

Of course I want to know.





Also there is allegations that some of the people going along with OJ to that place set-him up.. So I want to know if the person holding the gun was one of these peoples.

im sure that it will come out in OJs defense.

if its appropriate at all.

if they talked him into armed robbery that doesnt change that he participated in it.

fine, so Driving the Car is all it takes in Texas and California.


Probably every other state, too. I'm sure it's that way at the federal level - in fact, I think my frined was tried in Federal court. They were robbing people at ATMs which I believe is a federal offense.

No, the allegations are that the people who they robbed were setting him up...I dont know what the set-up allegations are.

all I know is that after some 5 hours FOX/CNN have yet to ask the question: Who was holding the Gun? After all Ashmoria says they have a Video tape.. right?

I dont know what the set-up allegations are.

all I know is that after some 5 hours FOX/CNN have yet to ask the question: Who was holding the Gun? After all says they have a Video tape.. rigth?

No. An audio tape. And I'm getting the same media you are and I know he wasn't holding it - I also know it makes no difference. It was his idea to go there, it was his memorabelia they went there to get and it's his voice barking orders to not let anyone leave on the tape.

I dont know what the set-up allegations are.

all I know is that after some 5 hours FOX/CNN have yet to ask the question: Who was holding the Gun? After all Ashmoria says they have a Video tape.. right?

There is a ridiculous allegation that the people who were holding the goods intentionally let OJ know where they would be because they wanted him to bust in with his friends carrying guns and rob them so OJ would go to jail.

it makes no difference. Trust me on this, a guy I grew up with is currently in prison for multiple armed robberies and first degree murder and all he did was drive the car.http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/11429-kenneth-foster-lives-and-texas-law-of-parties?play=1

Like i said, Driving a car is all it takes in Texas and California.

No. An audio tape. Wait, so now they say its not a video tape.. but an audio tape?

so how did this happen?
-that very day- one of them happened to have one of these on his pocket by coincidence..
http://www.product-warehouse.com/4/imagesprod/M670V.jpg

Simpson accuser now "on O.J.'s side." (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070916/ap_en_mo/simpson_questioned)

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/11429-kenneth-foster-lives-and-texas-law-of-parties?play=1

Like i said, Driving a car is all it takes in Texas and California.

I know. I agree. I also pointed out that driving the car is all it takes in every state, not just Texas and California. I also said that that's exactly the way it should be. Why do you keep posting this? Also, why are you so butt hurt because OJ got busted? Even if someone did entice him to commit and armed robbery, he still committed an armed robbery. It's actually a pretty minor offense compared with practically cutting the heads off of two people.

Media snap up new Vegas show: Cirque de O.J.

As memories of Britney fade, there's gratitude for a new bad celebrity

By Brendan Buhler
Las Vegas Sun

By Friday, a cable-news watching nation was suffering. It had had enough of the monotonous (and so depressing) Iraq war updates , and yet it had been days since Britney Spears last embarrassed herself. Could nothing be done?

Yes, O.J. Simpson, the 1990s celebrity murder trial novelty act also known as "The Juice," once again rode to the rescue of a bored nation.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2007/sep/15/566637452.html?simpson

And then, as one, FOX/CNN said, "Thank you, O.J."

It's actually a pretty minor offense compared with practically cutting the heads off of two people.I dont care for OJ.. If he practically cutted the heads off of two people.. then charge him and execute his ass for murder.
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Also, why are you so butt hurt because OJ got busted?I dont care about him..

today I am watching a lot of FOX/CNN and I am commenting on their fair-and-balanced coverages.

Media Squeeze More Juice Out of O.J.
Washington Post -- Tuesday, September 18, 2007; Page C01

Moments after President Bush announced Michael Mukasey as his nominee for attorney general yesterday, the cable networks jilted him for an old flame.

O.J. was back. O.J. was proclaiming his innocence. O.J. was doing the perp walk. The Juice was under arrest, and television was magically transported back to the mid-1990s, when all of America argued about every facet of the double-murder case.

"This promises to be the biggest fall series of the new season," said Robert Thompson, a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University. "The double homicide was a tragedy of mythological proportions. The sequel seems to have come back as a sitcom."

In a heartbeat, a small battalion of media types descended on Las Vegas, where O.J. Simpson was charged with six felony counts Sunday after an alleged hotel-room robbery that he described as reclaiming sports souvenirs that were rightfully his.
...
In the media encampment outside the Regional Justice Center in Nevada's largest city, dozens of journalists, with camera crews and satellite trucks in tow, staked out their turf yesterday under a baking desert sun. Lawn chairs were pulled up around card tables stocked with bottled water, sunblock and Triscuits. The atmosphere quickly took on the air of a reunion.

"O.J. Three!" CBS radio correspondent Steve Futterman cried when he spotted NBC reporter George Lewis standing on the courthouse steps. Both men had covered Simpson's criminal and civil trials.

Futterman held up three fingers. Lewis waved back with the same sign.

"I've been hearing from all the old crowd," Lewis said.

"It's like ESPN Classic out here," Futterman replied.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701836.html

"O.J. Three!" "O.J. Three!" "O.J. Three!" :rolleyes:

I dont care for OJ.. If he practically cutted the heads off of two people.. then charge him and execute his ass for murder.
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I dont care about him..

today I am watching a lot of FOX/CNN and I am commenting on their fair-and-balanced coverages.

Why don't you just read this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/18/oj.simpson/index.html

It'll tell you all anyone knows right now and it lookd pretty bad for OJ.

Of the millions of dollars OJ owes the families of the people he killed, he has only paid about $10,000. They deserve every penny then can get from him, and he deserves to live out the rest of his days in a trailer, a housing project or under and overpass.

Of the millions of dollars OJ owes the families of the people he killed, he has only paid about $10,000. They deserve every penny then can get from him, and he deserves to live out the rest of his days in a trailer, a housing project or under and overpass.

Actually, he did not kill them but was held in a wrongful death suit.

My understanding is that the Goldman's are pretty wealthy in their own right and the only thing that's about the money is about taking it from OJ to satisfy the judgement. As for what they are doing with it.



http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/ thanks for the info. :cool:

we are some 4 hours into CNN/FOX intensive coverage..

Meh. I'm so glad I no longer have cable.

By Friday, a cable-news watching nation was suffering. It had had enough of the monotonous (and so depressing) Iraq war updates , and yet it had been days since Britney Spears last embarrassed herself. Could nothing be done?

Bu... but... but... isn't it Nichole simpson's turn to do something embarrassing?

OJ was suppose to replace Anna Nichole Smith... and her story was just over.

I swear, these stars don't know how to schedule their embassasing cockup properly! *fume*

Actually, he did not kill them but was held in a wrongful death suit.

And I suppose we didn't land on the moon either...

My understanding is that the Goldman's are pretty wealthy in their own right and the only thing that's about the money is about taking it from OJ to satisfy the judgement. As for what they are doing with it.



http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

That is completely false.

Fred Goldman lives in an ordinary house in a phoenix suburb and works as a salesman at Nordstrom.

Where did you come to this "understanding" ?

I just had this thought.

Suppose he's found guilty and does "go away" for a very long time.

How would that affect the settlement from the civil case?

he won't be earning money (except though odd jobs within prision... and only if he does those jobs.)

I suppose his assets would be sold, but I doubt they would equal the millions he has to pay.

and since he 'claims' his memorabilia was 'stolen' those items would have to be investigated, thus tied up for years until it's clear who the legal owner is. and if it's NOT OJ... then the Goldman's won't get anything.

This may be a plan to get out from his Debt, while still getting 3 square meals, a roof over his head, cable TV, Gym time, Healthcare, etc...

and what happened to all the Goldmans disgust and outrage about OJ stupid book ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/If_I_Did_It.jpg/180px-If_I_Did_It.jpg

The proposed book outraged the Goldman family. "It's disgusting. Judith Regan is an opportunist. She's helping a murderer get his voice out there," Goldman's sister Kim Goldman told the New York Daily News
-- source:Wikipedia --

and what happened to all the Goldmans disgust and outrage about OJ stupid book ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/If_I_Did_It.jpg/180px-If_I_Did_It.jpg

.. I thought it was decided that the money from the sale of that book goes to the Goldmans with Simpson 'eating' the cost.

.. I thought it was decided that the money from the sale of that book goes to the Goldmans with Simpson 'eating' the cost.i see..

so the Goldmans are now ready to "help a murderer get his voice out there."

@ 2am CNN is starting to question the police work.

by this time the average TV viewer has -in his mind- already condemned the alleged criminal.. and is sleeping.

Suppose he's found guilty and does "go away" for a very long time....some CNN/FOX "experts" are talking about as much as 30 years in Jail.

I wonder what is the Vegas betting line on that?

I say he gets Bail in the next 2 days. Who wants to bet?

Goldman?

Yep, that sounds about right.

That is completely false.

Fred Goldman lives in an ordinary house in a phoenix suburb and works as a salesman at Nordstrom.

Where did you come to this "understanding" ?

Having Jewish sounding surname automatically upgrades your percieved income. They control the the world economy amongst many things after all :rolleyes:

And I suppose we didn't land on the moon either...

Prosecutor did not prove he did it beyond reasonable doubt. Innocent until proven guilty and he was not proven guilty in their murder.

Innocent until proven guilty and he was not proven guilty in their murder.innocent says the law..

All they need to do now is try to get a few scumbags to plea-deal against him..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/14/simpson.hearing/index.html?section=cnn_latest#cnnSTCOther1

AP: FBI was told of O.J. Simpson plan in advance
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Federal agents learned three weeks in advance that O.J. Simpson and a memorabilia dealer planned an operation to retrieve personal items Simpson said were stolen from him, according to FBI reports obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

Dealer Thomas Riccio told FBI agents August 21 that Simpson wanted to televise the operation as he confronted a collector who was peddling thousands of pieces of Simpson's memorabilia.

But Riccio was not clear how the operation would unfold, and there was no mention in the report of guns that were allegedly drawn as Simpson and five other men stormed a Las Vegas hotel room.
2 hours, 5 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- One of the memorabilia dealers who alleges he was robbed by O.J. Simpson and his armed entourage took the stand Wednesday as testimony in Simpson's preliminary hearing comes to a close.

After the testimony concludes, Las Vegas Township Justice of the Peace Joseph Bonaventure is expected to decide whether Simpson and his remaining co-defendants should stand trial on charges stemming from the alleged armed robbery in September.

Three other co-defendants have taken plea deals and testified against Simpson, leaving Charles Stewart and Charles Ehrlich as Simpson's only remaining co-defendants. (only 2 left -not 3- no, OJ will not be offered a -walk free- plea deal)

Alfred Beardsley, a sports memorabilia dealer at the center of the charges, began testimony Wednesday.

They could face up to life in prison if convicted.
www.CNN.com

they know that OJ wasnt holding a gun. they have some kind of video tape dont they?

it doesnt matter that he wasnt holding it. those who were were there are OJs behest. that makes him guilty of armed robbery.as long as the peoples holding the gun get the longer sentence.

as long as the peoples holding the gun get the longer sentence.

it doesnt pay to get upset over the letter of the law. they wont get as big a sentence because they (wisely) cut plea deals. the prosecutors decided that OJ is the big fish who must go down no matter the involvement of the other participants.

Too bad Cochran isn't around anymore...if he could allow OJ to get away with brutally murdering his wife and a friend of hers, he could get away with something like armed robbery. That's peanuts once you've sawed your wife's head off with a knife and gotten away with it.

..OJ is the big fish who must go down no matter the involvement of the other participants.translation: "he must go down no matter what"

LEAVE OJ ALONE!!!!! *cries* :D

Its all about money..
I wonder what are they going to do with OJs Hall of Fame certificate?

Hang it on the wall as a trophy?
Smoke a cigar with it it?

or ..sell it?

Well, Simpson was found liable for Ron Goldman's death in civil court, and the little delinquent hasn't paid up, so he ought to turn over some valuable materials.

Well, Simpson was found liable for Ron Goldman's death in civil court...So the US justice system says he did not kill his wife (innocent).. but at the same time the US justice system says he is liable ... :confused:

how is he liable? because he forgot to lock a couple of knifes and someone else used them on his wife? :D

So the US justice system says he did not kill his wife.. but at the same time the US justice system says he is liable ... :confused:

This requires more subtlety than you're probably capable of bringing to bear, but there is a basic concept that the standard of evidence required for criminal and for civil court are substantially different. A criminal case requires for conviction that the case be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, whilst a civil case requires merely for the plaintiff to prove that they have a preponderance of evidence.

Furthermore, the US justice acquitted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquittal) OJ, it did not declare that "he did not kill his wife." They decided that the bar had not been met to convict him of the murder. On the other hand, the plaintiff was able to prove that he did kill them according to the standard held in civil court. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_court)


how is he liable? because he forgot to lock a couple of knifes and someone else used them on his wife? :D

He is liable in civil court, because he was found to have killed them according to the standard of evidence required in civil court, but not by the standard required for criminal court.

innocent says the law..


Not guilty, if you want to be a stickler for accuracy. As well as liable, too.

as long as the peoples holding the gun get the longer sentence.

Oh good. That means I can take a contract out on your life, and enjoy a much shorter sentence, if at all, than the one who put the bullet in your skull.

this justice system is nuts.. I wonder if other Countries can be crazy like this...

We have politicians telling judges how to make their rulings with the police more interested in finding the whistle blowers than actually following up on the evidence here.

... he was found to have killed them according to the standard of evidence required in civil court, but not by the standard required for criminal court.this is crazy.. if he killed his wife he should be sent to the gas chamber.. not let go free.

this justice system is nuts.. I wonder if other Countries can be crazy like this...

So the US justice system says he did not kill his wife (innocent).. but at the same time the US justice system says he is liable ... :confused:

how is he liable? because he forgot to lock a couple of knifes and someone else used them on his wife? :D

He wasn't found innocent, he was found not guilty. There's a huge difference; in fact, OJ was only found "not guilty" because the entire trial was a sham that used a racially biased inner-city black jury rather than a jury of his peers. Had the trial not been moved, that murderer would have been rotting in jail rather than robbing a casino.

this is crazy.. if he killed his wife he should be sent to the gas chamber.. not let go free.

Have you ever heard of Blackstone's formulation? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation) Our system is designed around much this principle, in that the system is supposed to be heavily tilted in favor of the accused.

this justice system is nuts.. I wonder if other Countries can be crazy like this...

Generally in common law countries this is the case, although Scotland has two types of acquittal.

Oh good. That means I can take a contract out on your life, and I...you should get the same sentence?.. yeah it sounds fair to me.

in-my-book© the men who did bring/pointed the the guns -in that room- must not get a lesser sentence than the men who were unarmed..

EDITED The man bringing the gun should not get a lesser sentence.

the same sentence?.. yeah it sounds fair to me.

in-my-book© the men who did bring/pointed the the guns -in that room- must not get a lesser sentence than the men who were unarmed..

That's not how it is in the law's books.

If your Law book say he can be declared Innocent and Guilty at the same time...

then your Law books are retarded.

The prosecutor did not prove their case during Simpson's criminal trial. Hence the not guilty verdict.

That's not how it is in the law's books.If your precious Law books say he can be declared Innocent and Guilty at the same time...

then your Law books are retarded.

If my Law system allows some sheriffs in Vegas to make a travesty of Justice just to get even on a declared-innocent-and-at the-same-time-guilty old man..

then my Law system is sick.

If your Law book say he can be declared Innocent and Guilty at the same time...

then your Law books are retarded.

I thought I'd explained this carefully.

1.) There are substantially different burdens of proof levied on a prosecutor in a criminal case and a plaintiff in a civil case.

2.) Simpson was not found innocent. He was found not guilty, something that is entirely different from innocent.

3.) Common law systems around the world operate on this principle.

Oh, and your book is retarded, and belongs tightly strapped into a bicycle helmet screaming "Tiiimmmeeeeee!!!!!!"

The prosecutor did not prove their case during Simpson's criminal trial. Hence the not guilty verdict.

OJ could've murdered Nicole in the courtroom and gotten away as long as he had the "jury" that found that verdict.

I know it's pretty obvious the bastard killed them.

But those Goldmans are greedy bastards. I honestly think they care more about personal monetary gain than spiting OJ.

Not that OJ doesn't deserve whatever shit happens to him, but those Goldmans are in fact greedy motherfuckers.

I thought I'd explained this carefully.

1.) There are substantially different burdens of proof levied on a prosecutor in a criminal case and a plaintiff in a civil case.

2.) Simpson was not found innocent. He was found not guilty, something that is entirely different from innocent.

3.) Common law systems around the world operate on this principle.

Oh, and your book is retarded, and belongs tightly strapped into a bicycle helmet screaming "Tiiimmmeeeeee!!!!!!"

1. Agreed

2. He was found criminally not guilty, which is in fact the same as criminally innocent. The civil case may have different standards, but within the criminal system, he is, by paperwork and legalities, innocent.

3. Life isn't fair. Neither is the law.

OJ could've murdered Nicole in the courtroom and gotten away as long as he had the "jury" that found that verdict.

The time frame did not match if he was going to catch his flight. That and the glove did not fit.

are you sure?

I truly love the last part for our system is based on the English Common Law system :D

I thought I'd explained this carefully.

1.) There are substantially different burdens of proof levied on a prosecutor in a criminal case and a plaintiff in a civil case.

2.) Simpson was not found innocent. He was found not guilty, something that is entirely different from innocent.

3.) Common law systems around the world operate on this principle.
you think law systems around the world are as crazy?

are you sure?

Oh good. That means I can take a contract out on your life, and enjoy a much shorter sentence, if at all, than the one who put the bullet in your skull.


Oh good. That means I can take a contract out on your life, and I (get the same) sentence, than the one who put the bullet in your skull.


Thereby, you are a liar who alters peoples words and claims they said that.

are you sure?

Before you edited my post in your quote, it said common law. As in Common Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law). When dealing with common law, I am absolutely right.

That quote edit might deserve something unprecedented: Me paying a visit to moderation.

OceanDrive2, you may have edited Andaluciae's and Non-Aligned States' quotes for any number of (EDIT:what you consider) legitimate reasons, but the result is definitely giving them different meanings.

Please don't do that, m'kay? As you can see from NAS's post, it creates unnecessary ill-feeling.

Non-Aligned States, go easy on the accusations.

Thereby, you are a liar who alters peoples words and claims they said that."liar" is someone with the intent to deceive

Why would I put the bolded title Non Aligned States Clarified if I wanted to deceive?

.. and why would I use the () ?

Before you edited my post in your quote, it said common law. As in Common Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law). When dealing with common law, I am absolutely right.I just putted back your "Common Law" words in my post.. it does not change my point at all.

the question still stands:
you think law systems around the world are crazy like yours (US) ?

are you sure?

I jut putted back you "Common Law" words in my post.. it does not change my point at all.

the question still stands:

Well, to begin with, I wouldn't think that the common law system is particularly crazy. It makes an awful lot of sense when you think critically about it.

Although, the French and Spanish system is so convoluted and complex that it is a bit nutty. Inquisitorial judges, multiple layer trials/tribunals, when a juges d'instructions and the rest make for a judicial system that is actually kinda weird.

"liar" is someone with the intent to deceive


You did.


Why would I put the bolded title Non Aligned States Clarified if I wanted to deceive?

.. and why would I use the () ?

Which was not put in place until I called you out on it. You're not fooling anyone.

Non-Aligned States, let it go.

You called OceanDrive2 on it; you reposted your original version; and he's said in Moderation that he will amend his ways -- well, that he will "align my posting with the mod concerns (because it's the right thing to do" (Link). (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13217311&postcount=10). That's fair enough, I think.

In short, argument over. No more on this , from you or from OceanDrive2, capisce? Back to the studio -- I mean, the discussion.