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Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

How does this have anything to do with the right to bear arms? It's about criminals who murdered someone. This could happen in any country in the world.

How does this have anything to do with the right to bear arms? It's about criminals who murdered someone. This could happen in any country in the world.

Maybe because its much easier to get a gun if theyre being sold over the counter ?

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.
its much easier to get a gun if theyre being sold over the counter ?
I'm not sold on private gun ownership in general, but I'm also willing to bet that the gun which killed this unfortunate was not legally bought and registered and that restricting their sale would not have prevented this incident.

I'm not sold on private gun ownership in general, but I'm also willing to bet that the gun which killed this unfortunate was not legally bought and registered and that restricting their sale would not have prevented this incident.

What i meant is: If guns are being sold over the counter, the amount of guns that *fall of the back of the truck* is much higher, ergo, illegally getting a gun is also easier.

Of course if the baby had had an assault rifle it would at least have been able to defend itself.

Surely most illegal weapons were at one time bought legally and then stolen or sold illegally - or is that not the case?

What i meant is: If guns are being sold over the counter, the amount of guns that *fall of the back of the truck* is much higher, ergo, illegally getting a gun is also easier.
You're probably right. I'm not familiar with the systems that the U.S. has in place for tracking firearms after manufacture/import, so I have no evidence to agree or disagree, but that would make sense.

I don't like this poll. It's too bias. What if I have a brain disorder AND believe in gun control? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't buy a gun. I wouldn't want one. The only exception I can think of is if I ever get around to doing sports shooting and enjoy it.

But outlawing private gun ownership because some people are more dangerous with guns than without them makes as much sense as outlawing car ownership because some people run over others.

This is a tragedy, but I don't think one follows the other.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!

Damn.

Just... damn.

Ohhh joy another gun thread!

I think it's quite easy, on the face of the the pro-gun lobby have it won.
Personaly though, and I know it does no good, I think that in hindsight if the USA had not had gun owenership inbult into it's constitution, things there would be a lot differant(for the better), but it does, and so it aint.

What can be done about it, is the question that should be asked.

Trolling, with over use of the bold function and an obvious appeal to emotion. Not to mention the biased poll. You score 1.2/10. Please never speak on this topic again, you're making people who think America needs more gun control/less guns/both/etc look bad.

I wouldn't buy a gun. I wouldn't want one. The only exception I can think of is if I ever get around to doing sports shooting and enjoy it.

But outlawing private gun ownership because some people are more dangerous with guns than without them makes as much sense as outlawing car ownership because some people run over others.

This is a tragedy, but I don't think one follows the other.

I completely agree. If we let them take away our guns...what's next? Our cars, boats, our french fries? Way more people die each year from obesity related illnesses than from firearms.

While it was a heinous crime that a baby was killed by this LA gang, I'm not sure that we want to go down the slippery slope of allowing the government to dictate what we can and cannot have because of how potentially dangerous it is.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

:rolleyes:

How about, instead of attacking an inanimate object (firearms), we work to get rid of the real problem in this country. Namely the gangs.

How about, instead of attacking an inanimate object (firearms), we work to get rid of the real problem in this country. Namely the gangs.

Umm interesting thing in 'The Sun' today(yeah The Sun so what!) tying in with this Ross Kemp on gangs TV show. When talking about what he has learned through traveling the world over, and talking to many gangs and members

He said: 'The wider the gap between rich and poor, and the more poverty it has, the worse the countries gang problem will be'

It seems to have a ring of truth to it huh!

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/1099286

2 year old kid killed in a gang related drive-by in New Zealand.

What i meant is: If guns are being sold over the counter, the amount of guns that *fall of the back of the truck* is much higher, ergo, illegally getting a gun is also easier.

Nope, not in the slightest. Its actually linked with the size of the drug trade. Because if you can smuggle in large quantities of drugs (a) theres deman for shooters by the pushers and (b) guess what you can smuggle along with the drugs.

(b) guess what you can smuggle along with the drugs.


Ohhh ohh I know the answer to this one, it's babies isnt it?

Surely any Customs Officer would be able to pick out someone trying to come into the country with an AK47 up their ass?

Possibly, but if the main route into this country is up the arse of whoever might be flying in, this must not hold true for 9mm automatic handguns and sub-machine guns. Of course Goatse could be clocking up vast air-miles keeping the coke and smack flowing......

Nope, not in the slightest. Its actually linked with the size of the drug trade. Because if you can smuggle in large quantities of drugs (a) theres deman for shooters by the pushers and (b) guess what you can smuggle along with the drugs.

Surely any Customs Officer would be able to pick out someone trying to come into the country with an AK47 up their ass?

Considering this is gun violence by gangs.

Thus the guns are illegal in the first place.

Screaming about the NRA and their talk of the right to bear arms is complete bullshit in the first place.

Why is it when a criminal with an illegal gun shoots some innocent; the first reaction of people like you is to control the arms of law-abiding citizens?

The cry should be to do something about the GANGS.... The GANGS killed the kid, not the GUN....

[QUOTE=Edwinasia;13062840]Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.
[QUOTE]


Another logical, reasoned argument brought to you in an unbiased, persuasive manner brought to you by this fine forum.

Arguments like this are enough to make people support Gun rights out of spite...honestly, threads like this encourage me to go out and but another pistol just to agrivate them more. Now excuse me, I've got to go clean my handguns.

Considering this is gun violence by gangs.

Thus the guns are illegal in the first place.

Screaming about the NRA and their talk of the right to bear arms is complete bullshit in the first place.

Why is it when a criminal with an illegal gun shoots some innocent; the first reaction of people like you is to control the arms of law-abiding citizens?

The cry should be to do something about the GANGS.... The GANGS killed the kid, not the GUN....



We have gangs as well.

But it’s rare that they would shoot each other.
So it is even rarer that babies would get killed.

Why? You can’t buy guns in a supermarket. It’s very tough to get a gun. We don’t have a right to pose as cowboys. So our government didn’t create nor promote a gun loving society.

That’s why we don’t need metal detectors in our schools. In not one school.

That’s why shootings are rare. Sure they happen but much less as in USA (yes, correlated to the entire population).


Well, why not asking your government to make it legal that cocaine is available in the local Wall Mart? What do YOU think? Will the Americans buy more cocaine than present times?
Will US of A contain more addicts?

But if we don't have guns, then how will the babies defend themselves against gangs?!

But if we don't have guns, then how will the babies defend themselves against gangs?!

Do what my dad done in his day, fight with their tiny little baby fists! weapons are for whimps

But if we don't have guns, then how will the babies defend themselves against gangs?!

Biological warfare – sh*tting in their nappy?

Well, why not asking your government to make it legal that cocaine is available in the local Wall Mart? What do YOU think? Will the Americans buy more cocaine than present times?
Will US of A contain more addicts?

If you think that these gangs bought these weapons over the counter at Wal-Mart, you've got some serious issues with your capacity to think clearly.

A good chuck of these weapons the gangs are using are acquired ILLEGALLY, not from wal-mart, but from drug-runners and theft.

If you think that these gangs bought these weapons over the counter at Wal-Mart, you've got some serious issues with your capacity to think clearly.

A good chuck of these weapons the gangs are using are acquired ILLEGALLY, not from wal-mart, but from drug-runners and theft.


Or......

As somebody has already pointed out, having been stolen from those who purchased their guns leagaly?

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

But what if that baby would have grown up to be a member of the NRA?

If you think that these gangs bought these weapons over the counter at Wal-Mart, you've got some serious issues with your capacity to think clearly.

A good chuck of these weapons the gangs are using are acquired ILLEGALLY, not from wal-mart, but from drug-runners and theft.

drug runners who work for people who are pushing drugs past our unsecured border.

Close the border now, save babies!

drug runners who work for people who are pushing drugs past our unsecured border.

Close the border now, save babies!

Tonight, on Lou Dobbs: Immigration is killing your babies.

Tonight, on Lou Dobbs: Immigration is killing your babies.

yes. (what? I thought it was a game, thought I would play)

drug runners who work for people who are pushing drugs past our unsecured border.

Close the border now, save babies!

You said it... not I.... (nor would I).

I just think there is a general problem of mentality of people wanting to alleviate symptoms and not causes.

I can boil just about everything down to two root causes... poverty and a general insular mentality of people in general.

You said it... not I.... (nor would I).

I just think there is a general problem of mentality of people wanting to alleviate symptoms and not causes.

I can boil just about everything down to two root causes... poverty and a general insular mentality of people in general.

Or medicine adverts that tell us which cough medicine eases the symptoms!

You said it... not I.... (nor would I).

I just think there is a general problem of mentality of people wanting to alleviate symptoms and not causes.

I can boil just about everything down to two root causes... poverty and a general insular mentality of people in general.

I thought it was complain about your unrelated issue day......

isn't it?

I think most of the problem* is poverty and lack of education, but hey, let's just rant in pretty colors and bold letters!


*the problem, meaning why there are gangs and violence and shootings and drugs and idiocy.

*the problem, meaning why there are gangs and violence and shootings and drugs and idiocy.


Ohh I think I know the answer to this one too.(umm one too!? interesting)

Is it coz there are people?

I thought it was complain about your unrelated issue day......

isn't it?

I think most of the problem* is poverty and lack of education, but hey, let's just rant in pretty colors and bold letters!


*the problem, meaning why there are gangs and violence and shootings and drugs and idiocy.

And see, I think that insular operation of segmented society CAUSES the lack of education in most cases, on both sides. You have both scenarios where school funding lacks because one group hoards the public funds; and also in cases where being educated is a social stigma in certain groupings.

My wife actually has to come home and vent about the kids she sees who are smart, and have a certain capability to learn; but who will act stupid and intentionally screwup in class merely to impress their social "click". It's sad really... And many of them have parents who do not care about this; where being in this "click" is more important than their child's education or future.

yes, it's because there are people.

Jail the people now! Save the babies!

Damn I knew it. I love it when I'm right!

Ohh I think I know the answer to this one too.(umm one too!? interesting)

Is it coz there are people?

yes, it's because there are people.

Jail the people now! Save the babies!

yes, it's because there are people.

Jail the people now! Save the babies!

We'll have to develop highly sophisticated robots to take care of the children between birth and when they are locked in with the rest of the human population. We might even be able to cut costs in the system, by powering the robots off of electricity provided by the neurological systems of the incarcerated humans......

yes, it's because there are people.

Jail the people now! Save the babies!

See? People suck. Join my cult, and we will purge the world of humanity and leave it as paradise for our avian brethren. :(

And see, I think that insular operation of segmented society CAUSES the lack of education in most cases, on both sides. You have both scenarios where school funding lacks because one group hoards the public funds; and also in cases where being educated is a social stigma in certain groupings.

My wife actually has to come home and vent about the kids she sees who are smart, and have a certain capability to learn; but who will act stupid and intentionally screwup in class merely to impress their social "click". It's sad really... And many of them have parents who do not care about this; where being in this "click" is more important than their child's education or future.

sadly it's that way all over my country. Even on television anyone who has any sort of scholastic aptitude is marked "nerdy". If you really want to be "cool" you have to be stupid. If you want to "sound cool" you have to speak with broken English and slang and obscenities.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.
That it tragic and I hate to sound like a dick but it happens.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.
The child was killed by the man pulling the trigger; the bullets, the gun, etc. are just inanimate objects incapable of doing anything without a user. The bullets did not kill, the gang responsible for the murder did.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
It's kinda spelled out in our constitution, right after freedom of speech.

Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.
Do you know that for sure? How many guns used to kill people are stolen?

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.
No, it's all about personal liberty. See liberty and safety are not compatible, as one goes up the other tends to drop.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…
There are real advantages to owning and wearing a gun. Usually all you need to do to prevent a crime from being commited is show your gun, most people back down when the risks of robbing others becomes too great.

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.
No, this is pure propaganda and demagogy. You're trying to exploit a tragedy to gain support for your interventionist beliefs and deprive people of their right of self-defense.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.
Actually the Swiss government issues every home at least one fully automatic assault rifle and ammunition and they've got one of the lowest crime rates in the world. It's not the gun, it's the people.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:
No, violence happens everywhere and the US is pretty damn tame when compared to the rest of the world. We're just the center of attention.

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
The greatest school massacre in US history was the Bath School Massacre, an attack that involved no guns but killed 45 and injured 58. School shootings have been stopped when someone armed was present.

• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
All your base are belong to us. I think you meant basis but I'd like to see the statistic that shows American children having a higher mortality rate than most other countries.

• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.
I think you meant "chilling" but it's kinda hard to tell with you. This is also pretty low considering that more than 1/3 of Americans have a gun.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.
And 25,000 people die each day from starvation. What's your point? People do stupid things, like outlaw guns and block GE super-crops.

Be proud, macho!
Be proud, ignorant, spoiled neo-hippy!

Fun fact: when guns were banned in DC, gun crime and murders in general shot up and continue to this day to be far higher than the national average.

Gun control does not work, the criminals will just get guns illegally. All gun control does is deprive the law-abiding. Hell, some smart people even figure out how to make guns.

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Gun control does not work, the criminals will just get guns illegally. All gun control does is deprive the law-abiding. Hell, some smart people even figure out how to make guns.

...and bombs. And then of course theres our old friend "stabbing". The vast majority happen in or around the victim/perpetrators house and involve some 'came in a set for 99c' crap carving knife with "steel" one step up from shite&tin compound but for the LOVE OF JESUS BAN HUNTING KNIVES, THEY ARE KILLING TEH BABIEZ!!111!!11.

Maybe because its much easier to get a gun if theyre being sold over the counter ?

Well I could go to some shit hole 3rd world country and buy a full auto assault rifle with armor piercing rounds to go with it...I'll stick to buying the over the counter fire arms...

The vast over-population of the human species has been the primary downfall of our once great planetary ecosystem. I hope even if one of my own offspring dies as a baby I can still laugh at dead babies and hope for many more to come. I would be more sad about a dead puppy from gun fire, or even a dead baby that was growing in a test tube for organ harvesting because daddy needs a new drinking liver. Why don't we just allow cloning so that any time a baby gets killed we can just pop out a new one. Nobody can even prove people (especially babies) have souls. So no harm no foul right? I know that a clone would be like an identical twin born later on and wouldn't be the same person, but honestly it's just a baby. Who cares? Babies are stupid.

http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/956640.php?contentType=4&contentId=926455

Montco Man Accused of Beating 4-Year-Old Boy to Death
by KYW's Brad Segall

A 19-year-old Abington, Pa. man is being charged with murder in connection with the beating death of his girlfriend’s four-year-old son.

Prosecutors say Nadir Turner of Willow Grove is behind bars on aggravated assault charges, but those charges are being upgraded to murder after the weekend death of Jordan Jackson.



Maybe if he wouldn't have had a gun...oh, wait.

Yes, you're right.

If he had a gun, the boy wouldn't have to suffer that much.

Look:

Europe

Less Guns
Less Accidental Killings
Less Killed Babies & Children
Less School Shootings
Less Passion Murdering
Less criminality
Less Killings in General
Less People in Jail

USA

More Guns
More Accidental Killings
More Killed Babies & Children
More School Schootings
More Passion Murdering
More Criminality
More Killings in General
More People in Jail

I like USA a lot, but sometimes it's a weird place.

You have to be 21 to drink a beer, 16 to drive a car, 12 to shoot a gun.


http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/956640.php?contentType=4&contentId=926455

Montco Man Accused of Beating 4-Year-Old Boy to Death
by KYW's Brad Segall

A 19-year-old Abington, Pa. man is being charged with murder in connection with the beating death of his girlfriend’s four-year-old son.

Prosecutors say Nadir Turner of Willow Grove is behind bars on aggravated assault charges, but those charges are being upgraded to murder after the weekend death of Jordan Jackson.



Maybe if he wouldn't have had a gun...oh, wait.

Yes, you're right.

If he had a gun, the boy wouldn't have to suffer that much.

Look:

Europe

Less Guns
Less Accidental Killings
Less Killed Babies & Children
Less School Shootings
Less Passion Murdering
Less criminality
Less Killings in General
Less People in Jail

USA

More Guns
More Accidental Killings
More Killed Babies & Children
More School Schootings
More Passion Murdering
More Criminality
More Killings in General
More People in Jail

I like USA a lot, but sometimes it's a weird place.

You have to be 21 to drink a beer, 16 to drive a car, 12 to shoot a gun.



12 to "shoot a gun"? Really? Where did you get that number?

Oh, right. It's all the gun's fault. They have these mind control chips placed in them to cause people to commit crimes. I forgot about those.

The 12 is part of some joke.

At what age are you allowed to shoot anyway in US?

The mind control chips could be removed when the guns aren't there.

Some states allowed parental supervised hunting at 12. Otherwise you have to be 18 to own a long arm and 21 for a handgun

Edit: Let's do the timewarp again.

12 to "shoot a gun"? Really? Where did you get that number?

Oh, right. It's all the gun's fault. They have these mind control chips placed in them to cause people to commit crimes. I forgot about those.

The 12 is part of some joke.

At what age are you allowed to shoot anyway in US?

The mind control chips could be removed when the guns aren't there.

macho Americans right arms.

I'm a macho American and I use my left arm.

I'm a macho American and I use my left arm.

I consider that as too much information.

I don't care how you handle your sex life.

We have gangs as well.

But it’s rare that they would shoot each other.
So it is even rarer that babies would get killed.

Why? You can’t buy guns in a supermarket. It’s very tough to get a gun. We don’t have a right to pose as cowboys. So our government didn’t create nor promote a gun loving society.

That’s why we don’t need metal detectors in our schools. In not one school.

That’s why shootings are rare. Sure they happen but much less as in USA (yes, correlated to the entire population).


Well, why not asking your government to make it legal that cocaine is available in the local Wall Mart? What do YOU think? Will the Americans buy more cocaine than present times?
Will US of A contain more addicts?

Guns aren't sold in supermarkets. Guns are sold by people or businesses that hold an FFL (Federal Firearms License). Wal-Mart is the only department store (that I can think of) that still sells them (and not many Wal-Marts do anymore).

Well I could go to some shit hole 3rd world country and buy a full auto assault rifle with armor piercing rounds to go with it...I'll stick to buying the over the counter fire arms...

I just want to clarify something: Most centerfire rifle cartridges (including most hunting calibers) are capable of penetrating soft body armor.

But if 31 babies were shot instead of one, the NRA would insist that all babies have guns. True story (almost).

Guns aren't sold in supermarkets. Guns are sold by people or businesses that hold an FFL (Federal Firearms License). Wal-Mart is the only department store (that I can think of) that still sells them (and not many Wal-Marts do anymore).

K-Mart does (at least the ones near me) and so does Meijer's, but then I live in a very pro-gun state, so your mileage may vary.

K-Mart does (at least the ones near me) and so does Meijer's, but then I live in a very pro-gun state, so your mileage may vary.

K-Mart is still in business? I thought they pulled a Caldors.

Never been in a Meijers (there's none in this area, and the closest to me would be in Ohio).

I consider that as too much information.

I don't care how you handle your sex life.

I'm left-handed, darling.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

This reminds me of the Stever Miller Band song, 'Macho City', but only because you used the word macho.

At any rate, that incident has absolutely nothing to do with the right to bear arms. If it wasn't guns in the hands of completely irresponsible people killing other people, then it would be knives, paper plates, or fists. Guns have nothing to do with it whatsoever. They are only how people get killed sometimes, not why. Obviously the real problem is gangs and gang violence, if I had a gun, even if I wore it in a holster on my belt in plain sight, no one would ever be hurt by it until I pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger.

Once and a while it is nice if people use common sense.

Ohh I think I know the answer to this one too.(umm one too!? interesting)

Is it coz there are people?

Nope. You are 100% wrong. It's the Luxembourgians fault. Only them. They are ruining America and we can't stop it. They tunnel in like mole- people. Completely impervious to detection.

I'm left-handed, darling.

ZOMG!!!! YOU BABY KILLING BASTARD!!!! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!

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Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

Hey stupid! These gun rights are to protect us from our government, so that it may remain a government of, by, and for the people instead of being of, by, and for a few power-hungry international socialists whose ambition is people control.

You see, THAT is the real reason behind gun control. It's not to reduce crime; it's to make the populace easier to control (read: "enslave"), because if you have a gun, you're not necessarily going to kneel before Uncle Sam and lick his shoes, because he knows you'll defend yourself if he tries to coerce you. But if you DON'T own a gun, Uncle Sam can pretty much say or do whatever the @#$%&! he wants, and if you don't go along with it, you're as good as dead if he decides to kill you.

THAT is why pro-gun people are pro-gun. It's not as much "being in favor of guns" as it is "being opposed to a totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship".

AMERICA IS PIG. YOU WANT HOTDOG? YOU WANT HAMBURGER? FAT AMERICA GET OUT OF WORLD! YOU AMERICA AND YOU GUNS AND VIOLENCE, YOU NOT GET IT STUPID? AMERICA IS STUPID. YOU KILL BABIES, AMERICA.

...k, I'm done.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Well my gun does go well with my handbag and red pumps. I'd hate to give up the accessory.

AMERICA IS PIG. YOU WANT HOTDOG? YOU WANT HAMBURGER? FAT AMERICA GET OUT OF WORLD! YOU AMERICA AND YOU GUNS AND VIOLENCE, YOU NOT GET IT STUPID? AMERICA IS STUPID. YOU KILL BABIES, AMERICA.

...k, I'm done.

You forgot AMERICA IS SATAN!!!!!

Hey stupid! These gun rights are to protect us from our government, so that it may remain a government of, by, and for the people instead of being of, by, and for a few power-hungry international socialists whose ambition is people control.

You see, THAT is the real reason behind gun control. It's not to reduce crime; it's to make the populace easier to control (read: "enslave"), because if you have a gun, you're not necessarily going to kneel before Uncle Sam and lick his shoes, because he knows you'll defend yourself if he tries to coerce you. But if you DON'T own a gun, Uncle Sam can pretty much say or do whatever the @#$%&! he wants, and if you don't go along with it, you're as good as dead if he decides to kill you.

THAT is why pro-gun people are pro-gun. It's not as much "being in favor of guns" as it is "being opposed to a totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship".

Actually, I'm pro-gun because I like shooting paper targets from long range (maybe at some later point, I might take up hunting though).

Hey stupid! These gun rights are to protect us from our government, so that it may remain a government of, by, and for the people instead of being of, by, and for a few power-hungry international socialists whose ambition is people control.

You see, THAT is the real reason behind gun control. It's not to reduce crime; it's to make the populace easier to control (read: "enslave"), because if you have a gun, you're not necessarily going to kneel before Uncle Sam and lick his shoes, because he knows you'll defend yourself if he tries to coerce you. But if you DON'T own a gun, Uncle Sam can pretty much say or do whatever the @#$%&! he wants, and if you don't go along with it, you're as good as dead if he decides to kill you.

Isn't the right to bear arms an aftereffect of the US militia? People were given the right so that America could raise an army if the need arose, this was before you had a standing army. Indeed the militia was a way for your "power-hungry international socialists" (no one else sees the complete paradox of terms there?) to overthrow the tyranny of our British Empire.

The argument that owning a gun makes you more free is pretty naive really. If Uncle Sam wants you to do something and sees you have a gun, he has an excuse to have you shot by the police. The handguns of average Joes are not going to protect them against the GI Joes and the government's rifles and machine guns.

People can argue for or against this "right" but it is still a remnant of a very old and out-dated NEED to bear arms, which has been protected by the quasi-socialists who demand the retention of any civil right, however silly it might be. Look at the French people and their campaigns to keep the right to turn right onto a main road without looking, whether thousands a year die because of it or not.

Now in this case of the baby being shot, it is probably correct to argue that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". But I don't believe for a second anyone really believes that the legalisation of guns doesn't lead to a rise in the number of guns on the street - legal or illegal. Looking at the world it does appear that countries with legal guns have more gun crime, it just stands to reason. However, that is not to say that places like Britain with an anti-gun policy don't have gun problems, our gun crime rates are rising exponentially and you can pick up a Mac-10 for under £100 ($200) if you are in with the right people. You just get less people "accidentally" shooting someone, or overreacting and blowing the postman's brains out.

Now if guns were illegal in America, the gangs would still be out to kill people, they would instead be using knives, or any other means to hand, similar to here in England - our petty crime rates are on the decline, whereas our violent crime in increasing. ,The benefit of this is that you aren't going to get many babies accidentally stabbed, you've got to be pretty damn stupid to manage that. But that's hardly solving the problem is it. A ban on guns in America would not solve the problems of inequality and poverty, indeed there is a good chance for a while that gangs would run amok as the previously gun toting civvies would be stuffed. The real problem is not the right to bear arms, which will probably always exist, but the current government's failure at social reform, perhaps if this was done right people would choose not to own a gun, because they wouldn't feel the need.

THAT is why pro-gun people are pro-gun. It's not as much "being in favor of guns" as it is "being opposed to a totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship".That's why we need to educate the n00b.

America was founded by an armed rebellion. And if the government continues being stupid we'd like the means to remedy it, if necessary in the same manner.

At the risk if someone calling Godwin, I wonder what might have happened in 1936 Germany if the Jews then had been as well armed as the average redneck?

If you honestly think a Gun Prohibition would work, you have another thing comming.

A gun in the home would have saved these poor souls:

HESHIRE, Connecticut (AP) -- Two parolees with long criminal records were charged Tuesday with breaking into a doctor's home, forcing a hostage to withdraw cash from a bank and setting fire to the house several hours later.

The doctor's wife and two daughters were killed...

Also, quite a few students at a mid-atlantic tech school might well be alive today if someone there had been permitted to have a weapon concealed on his or her person.

The right to keep and bear arms is the exercise of the right to self defense, the most basic and fundamental right of all.

The deep cowardice that underpins the shrinking, simpering fear of weapons is bad enough as a personal vice, but despicable as a basis for public policy.

Considering this is gun violence by gangs.

Thus the guns are illegal in the first place.

Screaming about the NRA and their talk of the right to bear arms is complete bullshit in the first place.

Why is it when a criminal with an illegal gun shoots some innocent; the first reaction of people like you is to control the arms of law-abiding citizens?

The cry should be to do something about the GANGS.... The GANGS killed the kid, not the GUN....

EXACTLY! That is what anti-gun idiots cannot get through their thick skulls. Inanimate objects, such as guns, do not kill people WITHOUT BEING MANIPULATED BY ANIMATE OBJECTS, such as people.

Therefore, it is not that guns should be banned, but that people should be taught not to shoot guns at other people, and punished if they do shoot them at other people.

That's why we need to educate the n00b.

America was founded by an armed rebellion. And if the government continues being stupid we'd like the means to remedy it, if necessary in the same manner.

At the risk if someone calling Godwin, I wonder what might have happened in 1936 Germany if the Jews then had been as well armed as the average redneck?

I'll tell you what would happen; there would be a lot more Jews around in the world today.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

In England, they have a lot more stabbings.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html
I'm not American, but what the hell does believing in one of the main rights from the US bill of rights have to do with being macho? Ironically I've heard of the perspective that guns give women equality.

Edit: Oh and here's an example of such perspective: http://www.quiz2d.com/ Click "take the quiz" then scroll down to "guns"

Hitler banned guns.

Hitler banned guns.Kind of my point.

Hitler banned guns and killed 5 million jews and government outcasts because they could not defend themselves. the communist manifesto wants to disarm citizens and take away their religeous beliefs. There is no west except the USA anymore.

Who cares what these leftist Euro-trash think. I am a proud member of the NRA and will always back the the right to bear arms.:sniper:

Hitler banned guns.

And the thread has been Godwined. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law) The mods may as well put the thread out of it's misery now.

Who cares what these leftist Euro-trash think. I am a proud member of the NRA and will always back the the right to bear arms.:sniper:

It was funny, because your first post "Hitler banned guns" was something I could follow.

A little extreme maybe, but a point to be made.

Then in the span of two post you suddenly went all wonky and irrational.


What happened?

Who cares what these leftist Euro-trash think. I am a proud member of the NRA and will always back the the right to bear arms.:sniper:

*points and laughs at the n00b*

Who cares what these leftist Euro-trash think. I am a proud member of the NRA and will always back the the right to bear arms.:sniper:Aaah! The sniper smiley really impresses. Even without looking at your post count,it screams n00b. Does the NRA have an age requirement? 'Cuz your post tends to hint at a possible age of say...15 I could be wrong.

Surely any Customs Officer would be able to pick out someone trying to come into the country with an AK47 up their ass?

Do remember there are composite guns that aren't picked up by metal detectors, and that guns smuggled through airports usually are not in one large, easily identifiable on the x-ray machine, piece.

We have gangs as well.

But it’s rare that they would shoot each other.
So it is even rarer that babies would get killed.

Why? You can’t buy guns in a supermarket. It’s very tough to get a gun. We don’t have a right to pose as cowboys. So our government didn’t create nor promote a gun loving society.

That’s why we don’t need metal detectors in our schools. In not one school.

That’s why shootings are rare. Sure they happen but much less as in USA (yes, correlated to the entire population).


Well, why not asking your government to make it legal that cocaine is available in the local Wall Mart? What do YOU think? Will the Americans buy more cocaine than present times?
Will US of A contain more addicts?

We can't buy guns in a supermarket either.
Not everyone who buys a gun is a cowboy.
Your obvious anti-USA bias thinly cloaked behind your moral outrage. C-.

The vast over-population of the human species has been the primary downfall of our once great planetary ecosystem. I hope even if one of my own offspring dies as a baby I can still laugh at dead babies and hope for many more to come. I would be more sad about a dead puppy from gun fire, or even a dead baby that was growing in a test tube for organ harvesting because daddy needs a new drinking liver. Why don't we just allow cloning so that any time a baby gets killed we can just pop out a new one. Nobody can even prove people (especially babies) have souls. So no harm no foul right? I know that a clone would be like an identical twin born later on and wouldn't be the same person, but honestly it's just a baby. Who cares? Babies are stupid.

They certainly are. And some have managed somehow to appear to have attained the age of majority.

Do remember there are composite guns that aren't picked up by metal detectors, and that guns smuggled through airports usually are not in one large, easily identifiable on the x-ray machine, piece.

That's actually not true. All firearms manufactured today have very significant metallic componants. Far past the margin for detection. The whole myth of the "OMG PLASTIC GUNZ!!1!!111" was largely a myth put forth by the Anti-Gun lobby.

That's actually not true. All firearms manufactured today have very significant metallic componants. Far past the margin for detection. The whole myth of the "OMG PLASTIC GUNZ!!1!!111" was largely a myth put forth by the Anti-Gun lobby.

Well, the triggering mechanism and the hammer certainly would need to be metal, but recall what I also said -- generally, people don't plop them into a bag whole, or carry them put together in one piece unless they are pretty stupid.

Well, the triggering mechanism and the hammer certainly would need to be metal, but recall what I also said -- generally, people don't plop them into a bag whole, or carry them put together in one piece unless they are pretty stupid.

But there still is not a Firearm that could pass through the average metal detector without being detected.

We can't buy guns in a supermarket either.
Walmart sells guns:

Wal-Mart Cuts Back on Gun Sales (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/Business/story?id=1843600&page=1)

Although, the easiest way to get a gun into the country would be just to carry one over from Canada. Or Mexico.

Or you could just ship'em by Freight. Rarely inspected.

Or UPS.

Well, the triggering mechanism and the hammer certainly would need to be metal, but recall what I also said -- generally, people don't plop them into a bag whole, or carry them put together in one piece unless they are pretty stupid.

I wonder if you can provide a link to a gun that can get through a metal detector?

With the exception of home-made zip guns, there isn't really anything that will pass metal detector muster. The barrel has to be metal, as do several of the other vital components in order for the gun to actually fire instead of just explode.

I wonder if you can provide a link to a gun that can get through a metal detector?

With the exception of home-made zip guns, there isn't really anything that will pass metal detector muster. The barrel has to be metal, as do several of the other vital components in order for the gun to actually fire instead of just explode.

Cell Phone Guns (http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/cellgun.asp)

they have to now X-ray cell phones because of these EUROPEAN-made babies.

EDIT: Of course you can argue that they would be considered "home made"

Cell Phone Guns (http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/cellgun.asp)

they have to now X-ray cell phones because of these EUROPEAN-made babies.

EDIT: Of course you can argue that they would be considered "home made"

Yup, they sure would be considered homemade, also illegal to have in the US without registering them with the federal government and jumping through quite a few hoops.

The law already severely punishes having something like that, and they cannot be bought legally, much less 'over the counter.'

"ceramic guns" that go through metal detectors are either:

A) a made up myth from Die Hard, or whatever movie or

B) not-for-sale /CIA secret agent weapons lab / 007 type stuff.

Yup, they sure would be considered homemade, also illegal to have in the US without registering them with the federal government and jumping through quite a few hoops. except those trying to smuggle guns past metal detectors won't care about those little things like Legality and Registration. ;)

The law already severely punishes having something like that, and they cannot be bought legally, much less 'over the counter.' yet if Gun Control were to be enacted, those wanting to own them won't care about Legalities.

"ceramic guns" that go through metal detectors are either:

A) a made up myth from Die Hard, or whatever movie or

B) not-for-sale /CIA secret agent weapons lab / 007 type stuff.

A) I remember reading a book where an inventor cooked up the idea for making Cookie guns. One shot guns where the only metal in the "gun" was the firing pin, spring and bullet. Accuracy was for shit, as was range, but if loaded with one shotgun shell... I also remember thinking "I wanna try that."

B) if they are not for sale, but do exist in some lab... then they do exist. ;)

More children die every year in American swimming pools than from guns. Where's the anti-swimming pool lobby? This is an idiotic thread.

except those trying to smuggle guns past metal detectors won't care about those little things like Legality and Registration. ;)

yet if Gun Control were to be enacted, those wanting to own them won't care about Legalities.



A) I remember reading a book where an inventor cooked up the idea for making Cookie guns. One shot guns where the only metal in the "gun" was the firing pin, spring and bullet. Accuracy was for shit, as was range, but if loaded with one shotgun shell... I also remember thinking "I wanna try that."

B) if they are not for sale, but do exist in some lab... then they do exist. ;)

Yup, exactly. Gun control laws prevent law abiding people from being armed, not people who ignore laws.

I'm sure it's all been said before; if it has, forgive me and take this only as further emphasis as what was said. It's not legal, law-abiding gun owners that you have to worry about, it's the ones who aren't allowed to own guns, either because of a criminal record or mental instability, who circumvent the normal, legal process of owning a gun and do so illegally. Of course, you have the occasional rogue nut (Virginia Tech is a good example) that hasn't done something stupid just yet and can get a gun legally, but that's a rare case. Very, very rare.

Now, for my retort, I shall follow along the same lines outlined in the OP and state that you crazy Europeans should ban soccer/football because there's a riot every time a team loses. I suppose that's why they allow ties, but that would make me want to riot even more, personally. Huzzah!

Wow... Am I actually seeing this...? An NSG thread that is actually turning out to arouse strong conservative responses? In all seriousness, thanks, guys. It's nice to know that I'm not the only conservative on this thing.

Now, about guns killing people...
When is the last time a gun jumped off the table/shelf/rack/whatever and shot someone of its own accord? I don't seem to hear about that often. As a sidenote, ive read news articles about people being killed with both a standard keyboard, and with a laptop. Crud... I guess it is unsafe for all of us to have our computers, huh? Guess the government had better come and take them away.

How about the guy who killed his wife with a baby's bottle? Maybe we need to start having background checks and registration for those, too...

Seriously, folks, my guns are no more of a threat than a car, a drinking straw, a baby bottle, or whatever computer you are using to read this post right now. As long as I remain a law-abiding citizen, and don't go off the deep end and start shooting up the neighborhood, we are safe. But if you consider it too much of a danger that I will do that, then I guess it is also too much of a danger that I will snap and kill you with a fork, shoe, pair of glasses, or a hairbrush, and so I guess I should have those ready to turn in as well...

In Christ,
Sven <><

Wow... Am I actually seeing this...? An NSG thread that is actually turning out to arouse strong conservative responses? In all seriousness, thanks, guys. It's nice to know that I'm not the only conservative on this thing.

Just so you know, a fair number of us who oppose gun control aren't even remotely conservative.

Just so you know, a fair number of us who oppose gun control aren't even remotely conservative.

Indeed, I can't see myself ever voting for the republicans, but have nothing but contempt for the anti-gun-rights plank in the democratic party, even though I vote for them on other principles.

Don't know if it has been mentioned, but the baby wasn't killed "by gunshots," but rather by people.

The rwandans werent killed "by machetes" and the jews of europe werent killed "by gas" - people were responsible.

I wonder if the unsavory bias in the language used would be more objectionable if it were phrased, say

"Baby killed for fun by minorities in LA" ? A true statement, after all.

Heh, this topic makes me laugh.

Because ooze of inaccuracy makes me laugh.

More children die every year in American swimming pools than from guns. Where's the anti-swimming pool lobby? This is an idiotic thread.

More people die every year cause they slip in their bathroom than from XTC.

Still XTC is forbidden and bathrooms are not.

Should we allow XTC and forbid bathrooms?

Please...people don't kill each other by using a swimming pool.

But lots of people die because some retard people wish to have the right to bear deadly attributes.

Real men do not need a gun to feel like a man. Only pussies do.

Hey stupid! These gun rights are to protect us from our government, so that it may remain a government of, by, and for the people instead of being of, by, and for a few power-hungry international socialists whose ambition is people control.

You see, THAT is the real reason behind gun control. It's not to reduce crime; it's to make the populace easier to control (read: "enslave"), because if you have a gun, you're not necessarily going to kneel before Uncle Sam and lick his shoes, because he knows you'll defend yourself if he tries to coerce you. But if you DON'T own a gun, Uncle Sam can pretty much say or do whatever the @#$%&! he wants, and if you don't go along with it, you're as good as dead if he decides to kill you.

THAT is why pro-gun people are pro-gun. It's not as much "being in favor of guns" as it is "being opposed to a totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship".

Bwhahahaha ohhhh great, you just made my day!

This from a land where the majority re-elected that Bush monkey, why didn't somebody just shoot him then? I dunno, you shoot JFK, but the Bush monkey still lives!

I suppose what I would like to see is some research on the origins of illegally held weapons - I can see a number of problems as to why this could be difficult. To me it seems obvious that there will be a direct correlation so that the more guns that are held legally then more will be more illegal weapons around ( through theft, lost weapons, illegal sales). However it has been suggested elsewhere in this thread that the majority of illegal weapons in the US are imported. Has any actual research been done that will validate either of these positions?

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

That poor infant was killed by gangs. Here's some interesting information for you - the United Kingdom, one of the most anti-gun countries I know, also has gangs, and they too are armed with guns.

Quite frankly I find this whole thread disgusting. Using the death of a baby as an opportunity to make a political point is beyond poor taste. Crack down on gangs with a multi-pronged assault, that's the solution - discover the roots of the problem and tackle them, discover where they are getting their guns and stem the flow, and give them a reason to fear the law.

i have a gun and no one is taking it from me. if some one comes to my house with plans to do some thing to me they will have a fight on there hands.

That poor infant was killed by gangs. Here's some interesting information for you - the United Kingdom, one of the most anti-gun countries I know, also has gangs, and they too are armed with guns.

Quite frankly I find this whole thread disgusting. Using the death of a baby as an opportunity to make a political point is beyond poor taste. Crack down on gangs with a multi-pronged assault, that's the solution - discover the roots of the problem and tackle them, discover where they are getting their guns and stem the flow, and give them a reason to fear the law.

All true, although we don't have as many armed gangs as there are in the States. We do have a fair bit of gang violence, but it is mostly stabings, and actualy very few shootings.

Umm now what does that suggest?

All true, although we don't have as many armed gangs as there are in the States. We do have a fair bit of gang violence, but it is mostly stabings, and actualy very few shootings.

Umm now what does that suggest?

Very few babies actually die when the knife slips out of someone's hands - so less collateral damage.

:rolleyes:

How about, instead of attacking an inanimate object (firearms), we work to get rid of the real problem in this country. Namely the gangs.

I have to agree, I own a gun for hunting purposes, and if any one remembers, that is still perfectly legal. But as a responsable gun owner, I make sure to keep my guns in a locked gun cabinet, and I am the only one with a combo. The topic of gangs in America I feel have been swept under the rug as an effect of Kid living in the inner city, but this is not the case. Case in point there are more gangs out side the urban realm than there are inside. But of course the killings inside the urban realm are the only ones news worthy.

I have a mental disorder, and I am against guns.

Which option should I pick?

:upyours:

i have a gun and no one is taking it from me. if some one comes to my house with plans to do some thing to me they will have a fight on there hands.

I've heard men with guns are making up for something they lack. ;)

All true, although we don't have as many armed gangs as there are in the States. We do have a fair bit of gang violence, but it is mostly stabings, and actualy very few shootings.

Umm now what does that suggest?

Nothing aside from cultural differences, really. New Jersey doesn't have as much of a gang problem as Los Angeles, either, but you can own guns in both. Generally speaking gangs have less to do with simply 'copying television' or taking advantage of lax firearms laws, and more to do with serious social and economic problems. And as our own social and economic problems continue to deepen, our gang problems will continue to grow as well. Gang members typically don't go out and apply for a firearms licence and then register their new handgun with the relevant authorities - they get it from an underground black market movement, where their firearm can't be attributed to any one person until the fingerprints are dusted. And unfortunately, we have a black market for firearms here in the UK as well - not that you need one, as anybody determined and resourceful enough could build a gun in their garage anyway.

Very few babies actually die when the knife slips out of someone's hands - so less collateral damage.

Man you are like a mind reader or summit, thats exactly what I was thinking about!:p

Umm now what does that suggest?

That no matter what the weapon, gangs are bad, and there should be a vigorous effort to get rid of the gangs.

I've heard men with guns are making up for something they lack. ;)

:rolleyes:

You heard wrong.

This from a land where the majority re-elected that Bush monkey, why didn't somebody just shoot him then? I dunno, you shoot JFK, but the Bush monkey still lives!

Oooo, a snipe attack that can't be responded too. And it's a Bush slam! Not to mention you advocate the assassination of a US president. All rolled into one.
How enjoyable, and resourceful. Quite a complicated couterargument against individuals in favor of private firearms ownership.

And in addition to this, another person uses a penis slam. Wonderful!

Yet more supporting points for my stance that there is no such thing as a graceful argument in these forums.

Nothing aside from cultural differences, really. New Jersey doesn't have as much of a gang problem as Los Angeles, either, but you can own guns in both. Generally speaking gangs have less to do with simply 'copying television' or taking advantage of lax firearms laws, and more to do with serious social and economic problems. And as our own social and economic problems continue to deepen, our gang problems will continue to grow as well. Gang members typically don't go out and apply for a firearms licence and then register their new handgun with the relevant authorities - they get it from an underground black market movement, where their firearm can't be attributed to any one person until the fingerprints are dusted. And unfortunately, we have a black market for firearms here in the UK as well - not that you need one, as anybody determined and resourceful enough could build a gun in their garage anyway.

You've clearly never been to Newark, NJ.

Clearly babies need to be outlawed. Then only outlaws will have babies! Which we'll pry from their cold dead hands!

Oooo, a snipe attack that can't be responded too. And it's a Bush slam! Not to mention you advocate the assassination of a US president. All rolled into one.
How enjoyable, and resourceful. Quite a complicated couterargument against individuals in favor of private firearms ownership.

And in addition to this, another person uses a penis slam. Wonderful!

Yet more supporting points for my stance that there is no such thing as a graceful argument in these forums.

heh yeah and I didn't even have to think about it, it just sorta slipped out.:D

More people die every year cause they slip in their bathroom than from XTC.

Still XTC is forbidden and bathrooms are not.

Should we allow XTC and forbid bathrooms?

Please...people don't kill each other by using a swimming pool.

But lots of people die because some retard people wish to have the right to bear deadly attributes.

Real men do not need a gun to feel like a man. Only pussies do.

Children die in swimming pools due parents not properly watching them while they swim. People die in bathrooms because of their own negligence or physical weakness. (Plus I DEFY you to give me a reference to show me the number bathroom slipping deaths. I CAN show you the numbers for swimming pools) If the anti-gun lobby were consistent they would ban swimming pools instead of demanding attentive parents.
The fact is, a baby killed by gun fire is a lot more emotionally jarring than a swimming pool death. It's one of the most tragic things I can think of. That's why the anti-gun lobby has power and the anti-swimming pool lobby has none. (people do kill people with swimming pools by the way). My point was this anti-gun thread has only emotional appeal and no factual appeal. By the way, I'm an American living in Japan. That's a country with no guns and the just about the lowest crime in the industrialized world. But that comes from the culture and the people's sense of community, not the lack of guns.

Lastly, only the anti-gun lobby tries to equate guns with a penis. Stop trying to cram that psycho-babble nonsense down our throats. You say, "You want to feel like a man, so you need a gun." I don't own a gun and never will. I've never said I need a gun to feel like a man, nor felt it nor has anyone on this thread who is saying gun-control is stupid ever said it. It's a creation of your mind with absolutely NO scientific backing whatsoever. It's psuedo-Freudian psycho-babble. Go take Psychology 101. So cut it out. stop trying to manipulate our emotions and saying something real.

That's why the anti-gun lobby has power and the anti-swimming pool lobby has none. (people do kill people with swimming pools by the way).

If they try and take my swimming pool away they will have to pry it from cold slightly wrinkly hands. Damn that anti-swimming pool lobby.

If they try and take my swimming pool away they will have to pry it from cold slightly wrinkly hands. Damn that anti-swimming pool lobby.

There should be an Amendment that defends our rights to swimming pools.

WHAT.. Emotional fallacies! In a NS anti-gun thread? OZMG!!1! NEVER!!!1




One of the few topics that really give you a good, but terrifying glimpse into the authoritarian/totalitarian tendencies (or maybe goals) of the neo-left. Self-defence, self-protection and self-determination being only a few of the other major subjects.

Well, the triggering mechanism and the hammer certainly would need to be metal, but recall what I also said -- generally, people don't plop them into a bag whole, or carry them put together in one piece unless they are pretty stupid.

I'd have to disagree. When I do my gun running, I put them all in one suitcase and label them "unregistered firearms." That way they don't get lost. I also put my name, phone number, and address on the suitcase in case it get lost by baggage handlers.

Wow... Am I actually seeing this...? An NSG thread that is actually turning out to arouse strong conservative responses? In all seriousness, thanks, guys. It's nice to know that I'm not the only conservative on this thing.

Erm, I'm against gun control and not conservative. KTHX

Real men do not need a gun to feel like a man. Only pussies do.
Yay for misogyny!!!
So women don't carry guns? Or do women carry guns ot feel like men? Or since carrying a gun makes you a pussy instead of a man, does it make me more feminine to carry a gun? Am I the perfect subservient woman if I carry a gun?

And let's not forget pussies are strong, tough, and deserving of respect. They can spit out a child for heaven's sake!!! I don't see your bits being able to do that. Yes I'm ripping off Dan Savage. But really, I couldn't not with that statement.:p

Yay for misogyny!!!
So women don't carry guns? Or do women carry guns ot feel like men? Or since carrying a gun makes you a pussy instead of a man, does it make me more feminine to carry a gun? Am I the perfect subservient woman if I carry a gun?

And let's not forget pussies are strong, tough, and deserving of respect. They can spit out a child for heaven's sake!!! I don't see your bits being able to do that. Yes I'm ripping off Dan Savage. But really, I couldn't not with that statement.:p

We have enough trouble with kidney stones. :(:p

But lots of people die because some retard people wish to have the right to bear deadly attributes.

Real men do not need a gun to feel like a man. Only pussies do.

I'm not a retard, as I have over a 120 IQ. And I don't WISH to have the right to bear arms, I DO have the right to bear arms. It's part of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America (2nd Amendment). Whether it's as the last line of defense against enemies of the US (foreign or domestic), for hunting purposes, for target shooting purposes, self defense purposes, or collecting purposes, citizens of the United States have the right to own firearms (with the exception of convicted felons and people adjudicated mentally incompetent).

Also, I don't own a firearm so that I can feel like a man. I own a firearm so I can target shoot with it. I may also, at some point, try my hand at deer hunting (although I'll have to get a different caliber firearm for that, as in CT there is a minimum firearms caliber of .243 for deer).

BTW, here's a picture of my rifle. Please note that my rifle does not really have a checkerboard pattern on it, it's just from the foam of the case it was in.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1135/1000045ur3.jpg

All true, although we don't have as many armed gangs as there are in the States. We do have a fair bit of gang violence, but it is mostly stabings, and actualy very few shootings.

Umm now what does that suggest?

That there are far more people in the United States?
Gang members in the U.S have worse aim?
Gangs are still the problem?
Guns aren't the issue?

Erm, I'm against gun control and not conservative. KTHXDitto.

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

that baby still would have died either way...

You think outlawing guns will keep criminals away from guns? You are very, very sadly mistaken.

But hey, macho, wear your gun.

Hey, pussy, I will. But if I really wanted to kill a baby---gun or no gun---I'd just use a pocketknife (or perhaps a boxcutter :D). It wouldn't be as loud, and I doubt the baby would fight back.

Gallows humour aside, what does this have to do with guns? Guns are an instrument---much like a hammer or guitar---and the way it's used is wholly dependent on the user.
Maybe I want to use a hammer to build a fence; maybe I want to use it to bash someone's head in. Perhaps I would use a guitar to write beautiful songs about daisies and puppies; or maybe I would rather set it next to an overdriven, turned-up-to-eleven 50-foot amp and let it feedback for however long it takes for the cops to show up or for me to get attacked by a neighbor.

Same with guns. I personally use guns for target practice (I don't hunt; I'm not comfortable with killing things), personal defense, and soforth.

Oh, and I have no right to own a gun. 'Rights' are bullshit, and they don't exist. Try telling an ax-wielding homicidal maniac that you have a "right" not to be subject to "cruel and unusual punishment," and see how far that gets you.

At the risk if someone calling Godwin, I wonder what might have happened in 1936 Germany if the Jews then had been as well armed as the average redneck?
Then the SA would have been better armed as well. What are they gonna do, fight pitched battles in the city against the SA, SS and Wehrmacht?

Not for long they're not.

Yet another reason why LA is a piece of shit of a city.

There is little reason for citizens to bare arms. We publically execute offenders through brutal beetings. And that's just the shop lifters... it's enough of a crime deterent to keep people's mind off of guns.

Remember folks, crime in LA is all about the guns:

L.A. grandmother sold heroin with grandkids: police (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN3126781320070731?feedType=RSS)

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A 39-year-old grandmother accused of selling heroin on the streets of a Los Angeles suburb with her 11-year-old granddaughter as a lookout has been arrested on drug and child endangerment charges, police said on Tuesday.


For some real fun, do a little figurative math on the ages and relationships of those involved.

THAT is why pro-gun people are pro-gun. It's not as much "being in favor of guns" as it is "being opposed to a totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship".


Bwhahahaha ohhhh great, you just made my day!

This from a land where the majority re-elected that Bush monkey, why didn't somebody just shoot him then? I dunno, you shoot JFK, but the Bush monkey still lives!

I agree. With both of you. 'Cept for the fact that JFK had it coming. :sniper:

There is little reason for citizens to bare arms. We publically execute offenders through brutal beetings. And that's just the shop lifters... it's enough of a crime deterent to keep people's mind off of guns.

This forum is OC. For IC stuff go to one of these forums (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1220).

I don't own a gun, nor do I like them...but that doesn't give me the right to say someone else can't have one. People die every day, regardless of guns. Without them the criminals resort to knives, take those away they switch the hammers or something. Violent people will do violent things regardless.

Fight the REAL problem. Despite our best efforts the worlds #1 killer continues to be death.

Life is 100% fatal.

Fight the REAL problem. Despite our best efforts the worlds #1 killer continues to be death.

The real problem is how Macho I am. . . Mucho Macho..
Mucho Macho Muchacho.

OK? where is the poll option that says:
I believe in gun control, but only to the extent that there are less loopholes in the current regulations (eg: gun show checks, out), better communication between agencies, better background checks, and a national database.

I'm sure the answer must be for the good citizens of this country to buy more guns themselves. Who knows what would have happened if that baby had a gun laying next to him in his stroller after all! Or if the father had a shotgun lying next to him to shoot back like an action hero, yes?

Or if the father had a shotgun lying next to him to shoot back like an action hero, yes?

With ten unique all-new action phrases!

With ten unique all-new action phrases!

Don't forget the kung-fu grip. :D

Do you guys know how inaccurate shot guns are?

It depends on the shell that's being fired (slugs and sabots are more accurate than shot), and the type of choke that's in the barrel (if shot is used).

With ten unique all-new action phrases!

Do you guys know how inaccurate shot guns are?

Do you guys know how inaccurate shot guns are?

But shotguns are big and flashy. It served my sarcasm.

But I can change it to some kind of automatic if you wish. :)

Life is 100% fatal.

Liar. You're just part of the Anti-Life lobby.

Don't forget the kung-fu grip. :D

I thought it was a given.:)

Liar. You're just part of the Anti-Life lobby.

An abortionist..ifier..ologist...!:eek:

But shotguns are big and flashy. It served my sarcasm.

But I can change it to some kind of automatic if you wish. :)

I know, and pistol grip r0ks

I'm not a retard, as I have over a 120 IQ. And I don't WISH to have the right to bear arms, I DO have the right to bear arms. It's part of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America (2nd Amendment). Whether it's as the last line of defense against enemies of the US (foreign or domestic), for hunting purposes, for target shooting purposes, self defense purposes, or collecting purposes, citizens of the United States have the right to own firearms (with the exception of convicted felons and people adjudicated mentally incompetent).

Also, I don't own a firearm so that I can feel like a man. I own a firearm so I can target shoot with it. I may also, at some point, try my hand at deer hunting (although I'll have to get a different caliber firearm for that, as in CT there is a minimum firearms caliber of .243 for deer).

BTW, here's a picture of my rifle. Please note that my rifle does not really have a checkerboard pattern on it, it's just from the foam of the case it was in.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1135/1000045ur3.jpg

My opinion, I don't have a need for an assault rifle. I like pistols but their legality is iffy in some districts (including the one of Columbia). Also, i like rifles better. And black powder, that is old time
:)
Shotguns, good for birds, just because they are inaccurate.

Why would it be, "killed by gunshots" if a gun was used but "killed with a hammer" if a hammer was used?

Is it perhaps because of this strange need to, when a gun is the murder weapon, assign blame to the gun? Perhaps because this focuses the political waves against gun ownership, gun control, gun rights instead of - for example - against people killing babies?

Baby killed by gunshots in LA.

A 23-day old baby was killed by bullets.
A local LA gang is responsible for the murder.

This is so sad. And still those macho Americans still think they have the right to bear arms.
Without that ‘right’, that baby would be still alive, as 1000 other children as well.

I know, it’s all about the money. It’s business as usual: some people get enormous rich by building and selling arms. That’s all.

And to stay rich, these guys misinform the public via NRA and other clubs about the right of wearing a gun, the advantages etc…

They use pure propaganda and demagogy.

How many modern, ‘civilized’ states have such liberal gun laws? I guess only one.

At the same time, you see things which are almost unique to that country:

• School shootings (they occur that regularly that many schools have metal detectors installed – In Belgium not one school is having such ridiculous device)
• The killings of children (and even babies) on regular base.
• The amount of killed-by-accident-at-home incidents are…killing.

But hey, macho, wear your gun. So tomorrow another baby can die for your right.

Be proud, macho!


Some source:
http://www.fijilive.com/international/show/international/2007/09/18/news1.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/World/STIStory_158984.html

I agree that we need more gun control, but I don't think this is really the best example.

Why would it be, "killed by gunshots" if a gun was used but "killed with a hammer" if a hammer was used?

Is it perhaps because of this strange need to, when a gun is the murder weapon, assign blame to the gun? Perhaps because this focuses the political waves against gun ownership, gun control, gun rights instead of - for example - against people killing babies?

Just maybe...

...gunshots don't follow the laws of phy:mp5:sics.

My opinion, I don't have a need for an assault rifle. I like pistols but their legality is iffy in some districts (including the one of Columbia). Also, i like rifles better. And black powder, that is old time
:)
Shotguns, good for birds, just because they are inaccurate.

My rifle isn't an assault rifle (since it's not full auto/select fire), and also not an "assault weapon" according to the state of CT (my rifle has not bayonet lug, no flash hider, no grenade launcher, and no collapsible stock).

I'd love to get a pistol (the local club has bowling pin shoots from time to time), but I (still) need to get my CT pistol permit before I can buy a pistol.

I'd buy a shotgun, but only if I get into clay targets, or deer hunting.

My rifle isn't an assault rifle (since it's not full auto/select fire), and also not an "assault weapon" according to the state of CT (my rifle has not bayonet lug, no flash hider, no grenade launcher, and no collapsible stock).

I'd love to get a pistol (the local club has bowling pin shoots from time to time), but I (still) need to get my CT pistol permit before I can buy a pistol.

I'd buy a shotgun, but only if I get into clay targets, or deer hunting.

Okay, but it just looks like an assault rifle.

OMG, I read an article about deer hunting with 50 cal sniper rifle

Okay, but it just looks like an assault rifle.

That's a mistake a lot of people make. Legally, my SKS is an assault weapon (bayonet and grenade launcher) while my AK-47 is not. Actual assault rifles are rather rare, due to the hoops one has to jump through to acquire them.

Okay, but it just looks like an assault rifle.

OMG, I read an article about deer hunting with 50 cal sniper rifle

And it shoots the same cartridge as an M-16 and the Mini-14 (seen here: http://www.guns.bg/images/RugerMini14.jpg). :D

What .50 cal cartridge was it? There's .50 BMG, .50 AE, .500 Smith, as well as blackpowder rifles in .50 cal.

That's a mistake a lot of people make. Legally, my SKS is an assault weapon (bayonet and grenade launcher) while my AK-47 is not. Actual assault rifles are rather rare, due to the hoops one has to jump through to acquire them.

Is your SKS a C&R piece? Removable magazine?

If it doesn't have a removable magazine, it's not an "assault weapon" by definition (even if it has a bayonet or bayonet lug, grenade launcher, pistol grip, and flash hider).

How does this have anything to do with the right to bear arms? It's about criminals who murdered someone. This could happen in any country in the world.

Precisely. The day a gun kills someone by itself is the day my pen makes a spelling mistake and not me, to quote someone.

Here's the real question. The gun that killed this baby, was it legally or illegally owned. Chances are, gang involved, it was illegal...

I'm sure the gang-banger that pulled the trigger legally bought and registered his gun.

And I know, if we outlaw all guns and confiscate them al, criminals wont be able to harm the innocent anymore.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure the gang-banger that pulled the trigger legally bought and registered his gun.

And I know, if we outlaw all guns and confiscate them al, criminals wont be able to harm the innocent anymore.

:rolleyes:
Didn't you know? Guns turn clean cut ordinary men into violent criminals.

All true, although we don't have as many armed gangs as there are in the States. We do have a fair bit of gang violence, but it is mostly stabings, and actualy very few shootings.

Umm now what does that suggest?

Same here in Belgium.

We have gangs as well. All kind of gangs. White, black, Arab, mixed, lesbian, gay, communist, punk, hippie and Christian gangs.

Some have guns, real guns. Like *everybody* has in USA.

Because only a few gang members have such guns (and ammunition), shootings are rare, so are death people and killed babies.

But hey it's coincidence!

Everybody knows that Americans their brain is tuned to a more violent version. (Some guy told me this in another forum)

Same here in Belgium.

We have gangs as well. All kind of gangs. White, black, Arab, mixed, lesbian, gay, communist, punk, hippie and Christian gangs.

Some have guns, real guns. Like *everybody* has in USA.
funny, As an American I don't own a real gun.

All of my Non-Military/Law Enforcement friends don't own guns.

so I guess you're wrong there that *everybody* has a gun in the USA.

I have a mental disorder, and I am against guns.

Which option should I pick?

:upyours:

Obvious! Or can't you read?

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

Even if your against guns. If the police would shout to drop your gun (ok, you're against guns, so probably you're holding your newest silver Big Tarzan dildo)...

...then I believe you, when you are saying that you're having a mental disorder...

Probably you would point your dildo to the police while shouting - just - one time *PANG!*

So, it's safe for you to select:

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

And you are not lying...

Amen!

Obvious! Or can't you read?

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

Even if your against guns. If the police would shout to drop your gun (ok, you're against guns, so probably you're holding your newest silver Big Tarzan dildo)...

...then I believe you, when you are saying that you're having a mental disorder...

Probably you would point your dildo to the police while shouting - just - one time *PANG!*

So, it's safe for you to select:

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

And you are not lying...

Amen!

Actually, he should probably select:
Trolling by polling is bad, mkay?

-or-

I should be forumbanned for this.

Do you really think that ordinary extreme fat Americans with a weight more then 200 pounds and only 5 feet high

That's what the average American is like? That's news to me.

Then the SA would have been better armed as well. What are they gonna do, fight pitched battles in the city against the SA, SS and Wehrmacht?

Not for long they're not.

Bitchkitten, you are not showing respect for soldiers in general.

The German soldiers were trained disciplined professionals with fantastic toys. Sure they are still *ssholes.

For every German soldier that was killed, 300 Jews would have been killed.

Do you really think that ordinary extreme fat Americans with a weight more then 200 pounds and only 5 feet high could win from well trained marines, green berets or a bunch of navy seals?

I want to see THAT gunfight on CNN. Please dear fat America, show me that you’re a real macho man and take up your 1 mm pistols against your own army. It's always better than killing babies.

Please? Make my day!

funny, As an American I don't own a real gun.

All of my Non-Military/Law Enforcement friends don't own guns.

so I guess you're wrong there that *everybody* has a gun in the USA.

What? An American without a gun?

Please, execute him!

Actually, he should probably select:
Trolling by polling is bad, mkay?

-or-

I should be forumbanned for this.

The latter. I like, however, how this argument got totally turned around on the OP by the more sensible posters here. You guys are what makes this forum what it is. :D

Bitchkitten, you are not showing respect for soldiers in general.

The German soldiers were trained disciplined professionals with fantastic toys. Sure they are still *ssholes.

For every German soldier that was killed, 300 Jews would have been killed.

Do you really think that ordinary extreme fat Americans with a weight more then 200 pounds and only 5 feet high could win from well trained marines, green berets or a bunch of navy seals?

I want to see THAT gunfight on CNN. Please dear fat America, show me that you’re a real macho man and take up your 1 mm pistols against your own army. It's always better than killing babies.

Please? Make my day!
Is this a suicide by mod attempt or what..?
*confused*

What? An American without a gun?

Please, execute him!

Because all Amricans have guns or just American men?

Is this a suicide by mod attempt or what..?
*confused*

I think thats what spews out when a brain starts to consume itself

That's what the average American is like? That's news to me.

Of course not. I was polite.

Fat American
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The average American is just 3 feet tall (or smaller) and is containing a weight of 300 pounds or more. Those humanoid creatures are that ugly because:

• McDonald’s. Americans visit this ‘restaurant’ 3 times each day. And that’s just only for breakfast. They visit it 4 times for lunch and 6 times for dinner. Some very fat Americans eat some more at night
• Guns. Research a MIT has given empiric evidence that guns are damaging the brain. There are situations registered that people suddenly kill unarmed babies.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_American

Because all Amricans have guns or just American men?

No, no. Only the macho men.

And a few ugly women with moustaches and a deep voice.

You know, the kind of women looking like another anabolic, lesbian, Russian discus thrower

Are you people really naive enough to think that outlawing guns would stop criminals that hurt people from using them???!!?? The guns carried by criminals, nine times out of ten, have not been purchased legally. If a criminal wants a gun bad enough, be it whether they are outlawed or not, (they are criminals!) they will find a way to get one. These guns are not the problem. The problem lies within the ones using them. There are tons of very responsible gun owners that do no harm to anyone. Just because of bad people, you think it would be correct to tell NORMAL human beings they have no right. Please, get real.... I am a mother of 4, and a gun owner. If criminals are going to be able to get guns (and they will!!) I WILL see to it that I have the ability to protect my family from the nut jobs out there that would rob, kill and rape their fellow man. Or WOULD YOU RATHER JUST GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO EVERYONE, WITHOUT WORRY, THAT WE CAN PROTECT OURSELVES. Oh come on....:upyours:

Is this a suicide by mod attempt or what..?
*confused*

Anything we say may lessen his interweb debating self worth skillz.

We better vacate this thread before we get banned for assisted suicide by mod. :eek:

Sure.

But why o why are our Belgium criminals killing less?

Why o why is it rather very unusual that a kid is killing his friend?

Why o why is passion murder happening less?


Maybe, maybe...it has to do that fewer guns are legal on the market -> more difficult to steal one -> less illegal guns -> less killings (“professional” by criminals or accidental by “good” people)

An ordinary crook in Belgium doesn't need a gun when he's doing some burglary at peoples’ home.

He knows that almost no one is having a gun, so he doesn't need one as well.

Criminals are stupid, but not THAT stupid. If they are caught with or without a gun, it could make a difference in some months ore even years jail time.

On the other hand, an American thief that is breaking in someone house is just a moron if he’s not armed with a rocket-launcher, a few grenades, an M16 and a catapult….

Without arms, that poor stupid soul is risking his life…



Are you people really naive enough to think that outlawing guns would stop criminals that hurt people from using them???!!?? The guns carried by criminals, nine times out of ten, have not been purchased legally. If a criminal wants a gun bad enough, be it whether they are outlawed or not, (they are criminals!) they will find a way to get one. These guns are not the problem. The problem lies within the ones using them. There are tons of very responsible gun owners that do no harm to anyone. Just because of bad people, you think it would be correct to tell NORMAL human beings they have no right. Please, get real.... I am a mother of 4, and a gun owner. If criminals are going to be able to get guns (and they will!!) I WILL see to it that I have the ability to protect my family from the nut jobs out there that would rob, kill and rape their fellow man. Or WOULD YOU RATHER JUST GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO EVERYONE, WITHOUT WORRY, THAT WE CAN PROTECT OURSELVES. Oh come on....:upyours:

Maybe because its much easier to get a gun if theyre being sold over the counter ?

not if you happen to be a gang member, who would most likely fail the required background check. in this case, it really is irrelevant what the gun laws are, criminals are still going to obtain firearms. that being said, why would someone approve of legislation which strips them of their right to protect themselves, their property, and their family? and as far as home accidents go, we can't protect everyone from their own negligence of gun safety. for example, every year, thousands more americans are either killed or injured as a result of automobile accidents than they are by gunshots. should we thereby ban cars altogether? no, it is another calculated risk, just the same as owning a gun. all we can do is ensure that both cars and guns are operated in accordance with the laws designed for public safety, and fatalities will be kept to a minimum. also, i would like to point out that the penalties for violent crimes in this country are laughable. likely, this gang member is a repeat felon. that's what gang members do, right, commit violent crime? so why wasn't he already in prison? was he let out on parole? did they only give him a year, for like rape? these are some of the questions we should be asking the people in charge, rather than campaigning against our own rights while the system routinely frees non-rehabilitated, violent criminals.

Anything we say may lessen his interweb debating self worth skillz.

We better vacate this thread before we get banned for assisted suicide by mod. :eek:

Too late !

Why should they ban me?

Sure, I'm sometimes being a little sarcastic. But I'm not killing a baby or something...

Of course not. I was polite.

Fat American
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The average American is just 3 feet tall (or smaller) and is containing a weight of 300 pounds or more. Those humanoid creatures are that ugly because:

• McDonald’s. Americans visit this ‘restaurant’ 3 times each day. And that’s just only for breakfast. They visit it 4 times for lunch and 6 times for dinner. Some very fat Americans eat some more at night
• Guns. Research a MIT has given empiric evidence that guns are damaging the brain. There are situations registered that people suddenly kill unarmed babies.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_American

lol, nice. The link to the Wikipedia is a very nice touch.

Too late !

Why should they ban me?

Sure, I'm sometimes being a little sarcastic. But I'm not killing a baby or something...

No idea. Clearly you are asking the wrong guy, I'm not here.

You just killed a metaphorical baby with that jab into the fat-laden spleen of American Macho Muchachos.

lol, nice. The link to the Wikipedia is a very nice touch.

I love Americans, but keep it silent :)

And I actually do.

They are more friendly and social as Belgians

The people that work in the stores are very polite.
In the stores in Belgium, they often look at you with an attitude "WTF are you doing here, can't you see I'm doing my nails..."

Europeans are often very arrogant. Laugh with Americans about silly things.

By instance a few days ago, one of my colleagues said "those stupid Americans, they even don't know what the name is of our capital"

I said: "They don't need too as well. It's irrelevant, it's like village news in the city. Besides, do you know what's the capitol is of the state Washington?"

He said: "New York"

Really.

-SNIP-
Oh, I got it; You're high! (or possibly drunk... or both)

Same here in Belgium.

We have gangs as well. All kind of gangs. White, black, Arab, mixed, lesbian, gay, communist, punk, hippie and Christian gangs.

Some have guns, real guns. Like *everybody* has in USA.

Because only a few gang members have such guns (and ammunition), shootings are rare, so are death people and killed babies.

But hey it's coincidence!

Everybody knows that Americans their brain is tuned to a more violent version. (Some guy told me this in another forum)

Not everyone in the US has firearms. Neither of my parents do, my younger sister doesn't, many of my aunts and uncles don't, etc. There are approximately 80 million legal firearms owners in the US, out of about 301 milllion people.

As to American people having a more violence tuned brain, where's your medical evidence to bolster your claim?

blargh.

No, no. Only the macho men.

And a few ugly women with moustaches and a deep voice.

You know, the kind of women looking like another anabolic, lesbian, Russian discus thrower

Someone like this?
http://www.womenshooters.com/0707issue/pix0707/cover0707.jpg

And she's not jsut a pretty model.Linky. (http://www.womenshooters.com/0707issue/feature0707.html)

Are you people really naive enough to think that outlawing guns would stop criminals that hurt people from using them???!!?? The guns carried by criminals, nine times out of ten, have not been purchased legally. If a criminal wants a gun bad enough, be it whether they are outlawed or not, (they are criminals!) they will find a way to get one. These guns are not the problem. The problem lies within the ones using them. There are tons of very responsible gun owners that do no harm to anyone. Just because of bad people, you think it would be correct to tell NORMAL human beings they have no right. Please, get real.... I am a mother of 4, and a gun owner. If criminals are going to be able to get guns (and they will!!) I WILL see to it that I have the ability to protect my family from the nut jobs out there that would rob, kill and rape their fellow man. Or WOULD YOU RATHER JUST GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO EVERYONE, WITHOUT WORRY, THAT WE CAN PROTECT OURSELVES. Oh come on....:upyours:

Hint: Caps lock doesn't make your post more intelligent.

Of course not. I was polite.

Fat American
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The average American is just 3 feet tall (or smaller) and is containing a weight of 300 pounds or more. Those humanoid creatures are that ugly because:

• McDonald’s. Americans visit this ‘restaurant’ 3 times each day. And that’s just only for breakfast. They visit it 4 times for lunch and 6 times for dinner. Some very fat Americans eat some more at night
• Guns. Research a MIT has given empiric evidence that guns are damaging the brain. There are situations registered that people suddenly kill unarmed babies.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_American

Since you can't seem to take a hint, enjoy a 2-day vacation from the forums for repeated trolling.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Since you can't seem to take a hint, enjoy a 2-day vacation from the forums for repeated trolling.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Thank you.

Sheesh. I guess some people didn't get it (or read it) so I'll say it again...

"Only the anti-gun lobby tries to equate guns with a penis. Stop trying to cram that psycho-babble nonsense down our throats. You say, "You want to feel like a man, so you need a gun." I don't own a gun and never will. I've never said I need a gun to feel like a man, nor felt it nor has anyone on this thread who is saying gun-control is stupid ever said it. It's a creation of your mind with absolutely NO scientific backing whatsoever. It's psuedo-Freudian psycho-babble. Go take Psychology 101. stop trying to manipulate our emotions and saying something real."

The next person who equates America's gun situation with the word "macho" or "fallic" or some similar b.s. shall be openly declared as not only sexist and psuedo-scientific but also just plain stupid.

Done and Done.:rolleyes:

Obvious! Or can't you read?

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

Even if your against guns. If the police would shout to drop your gun (ok, you're against guns, so probably you're holding your newest silver Big Tarzan dildo)...

...then I believe you, when you are saying that you're having a mental disorder...

Probably you would point your dildo to the police while shouting - just - one time *PANG!*


So, it's safe for you to select:

"No, I'm having a brain disorder. "

And you are not lying...

Amen!

Are you intellectually challenged?

What on Earth would compel you to even think of the words "silver Big Tarzan dildo"?

I am not even going to mention your apparent inability to use the English language.

I can read, and the first two poll options are: "Yes, I am sane, no one needs a gun" and "No, I'm having a brain disorder."

I believe no one needs a gun. I also have a mental disorder.

:rolleyes:

Are you intellectually challenged?
More than likely just a troll

What on Earth would compel you to even think of the words "silver Big Tarzan dildo"?
I have no idea, but that's my new favorite phrase.:D

I am not even going to mention your apparent inability to use the English language.
He actually is a non-native speaker.

I can read, and the first two poll options are: "Yes, I am sane, no one needs a gun" and "No, I'm having a brain disorder."
That's why the third and fourth option are the best choices.

I believe no one needs a gun. I also have a mental disorder.
You're apparently some sort of mythical creature. Are you a unicorn?:p

:rolleyes:
Indeed.

You're apparently some sort of mythical creature. Are you a unicorn?:p

that would be me. I'm currently looking for a female virgin of whose lap I may rest my head upon. Seen any? :D

that would be me. I'm currently looking for a female virgin of whose lap I may rest my head upon. Seen any? :D

I'd reccomend that young lady who's picture I posted on the previous page. But she's a mythical creature too. Young, hot women don't own guns.

I heard the baby had been a Crip since day 15 and this was a simple revenge shooting from an incident stemming from where the baby had jacked a Blood way back when he was 19 days old.

I'd reccomend that young lady who's picture I posted on the previous page. But she's a mythical creature too. Young, how women don't own guns.

Now, that's a misconception. A gun can make a young, average woman a young, hot woman. I once watched a woman fire a fully automatic M16A1 (not to be confused with the semi/burst only A2 variety), an Uzi and then an AK47 once in the desert. I didn't have to, uhh... procure, uhh... you know... reading material... for about a month afterward.

Bitchkitten, you are not showing respect for soldiers in general.

The German soldiers were trained disciplined professionals with fantastic toys. Sure they are still *ssholes.

For every German soldier that was killed, 300 Jews would have been killed.


~snippage of flamage~

Edwinasia Honey, where do you think most of my family,( including both my parents and a brother and sister) learned to shoot? The military. My father was a marksman. And like all good ol' boys in Texas, hunted regulary since he was big enough to carry a gun. Unlike the pres, most of these good ol' boys have at least decent aim.

And I think that having 300 of my folks killed for every one of the enemy would be preferable to having them round up my unarmed little ass and take no casualties while wiping out my friends and family. Just a thought, dearie.


EDIT: Silly me. I just noticed she was forum banned.

Now, that's a misconception. A gun can make a young, average woman a young, hot woman. I once watched a woman fire a fully automatic M16A1 (not to be confused with the semi/burst only A2 variety), an Uzi and then an AK47 once in the desert. I didn't have to, uhh... procure, uhh... you know... reading material... for about a month afterward.

Actually, I was being sarcastic based on the OP's assertion that all women who carry guns are hideous. I posted a pic of a very pretty gal with a gun on the previous page.

They are murderers, No Gun policy will not stop murders...

And I think that having 300 of my folks killed for every one of the enemy would be preferable to having them round up my unarmed little ass and take no casualties while wiping out my friends and family. Just a thought, dearie.
Two things wrong with that:

1. Many of the victims didn't know what was going on until late in the game. They knew they weren't in for a good time, but the talk was always about labour camps, resettlement and so on.

2. If they knock at your door at dinner time, do you really expect daddy to get up, get his rifle and start a gunfight in front of his wife and kids? Do you reckon he'll be enough of an action hero to not care about bullets flying through his apartment and hitting his daughter?

I mean, we saw what was possible with the Warsaw Uprising. But those guys weren't using handguns and many of them were soldiers. And they were fighting because they thought the Soviets would come and save them before the SS hit back. But that's coordinated, it's not someone defending themselves with their own stash of weapons.

Since you can't seem to take a hint, enjoy a 2-day vacation from the forums for repeated trolling.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Bias modding.

Bias modding.

If you think there's been a biased Moderation decision on my part, make your case in the Moderation forum. That's one of the reasons that particular forum is there.

Though considering I don't own a gun and am not a nationalist, I'm not sure where my bias would come from. I look forward to seeing your reasoning in the Moderation forum in order to assuage my curiosity.

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HotRodia