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When you're biggest claim to fame is protector of democracy and freedom and you grab colonies and land like candy, it tends to make a dent.

EDIT: C'est le miens!

Okay, why is it that people are allways accusing the US of imperialism (1800-1920 it the time period im talking about i don't want to get into a debate on modern politics) and I have never heard a peep about what their nations were doing in said period. I happen to know that the US of A was not the only one engaged in these affairs, but we are the only ones getting bashed. What Gives?

Because you have a victim complex and pretend to be at the focus of everything, ever?

We're supposed to be better than that. We would expect this from the Europeans, but not the United States.

when i have a foreign exchange student tell me the US is and ever google search has forums bashing the US i tend to wonder.
Oh, bloody hell, a foreign exchange student told you so?

Yes, the whole world agrees with someone who's probably got classic European middle class teenage anti-US angst. Obviously.

During the Manifest Destiny period (just before and after WW1), the US was the most active economic colonializer, launching forays in Mexico, the Phillipines and the Carribean. Britain had passed its peak by that point as an active colonializer and indeed was beginning to decline. The interesting thing was the US did its colonization differently, with private individuals and companies doing the bulk of the investing and conquering, rather than using European military methods.

Well, in Germany the massacre of the Herero is generally not that well-known (though we were taught about it in school), but that's mainly because it was sorta overshadowed by what followed...

Because you have a victim complex and pretend to be at the focus of everything, ever?

when i have a foreign exchange student tell me the US is an evil imperialist nation and name the mexican war, and the Spanish american war and ever google search has forums bashing the US i tend to wonder.

When you're biggest claim to fame is protector of democracy and freedom and you grab colonies and land like candy, it tends to make a dent.

EDIT: C'est le miens!

So.

Whens the last time the US made a "colony"

EG, Colony of the United States.

Not a territory. But still.

I forgot u are one of those if ur under 18 you are mentallyretarded ppl.
I am under 18 myself. Calm down, I was just trying to explain why it happens and that the views of rich teenagers from Europe aren't necessarily those of the whole of the world.

Oh, bloody hell, a foreign exchange student told you so?

Yes, the whole world agrees with someone who's probably got classic European middle class teenage anti-US angst. Obviously.

:upyours: I forgot u are one of those if ur under 18 you are mentallyretarded ppl.

Pardon the finger everyone else but that annoys me espesaly whan I could have a debate with you and if you didn't know my age you couln't tell the difference....this is not my first nation....

During the Manifest Destiny period (just before and after WW1), the US was the most active economic colonializer, launching forays in Mexico, the Phillipines and the Carribean. Britain had passed its peak by that point as an active colonializer and indeed was beginning to decline. The interesting thing was the US did its colonization differently, with private individuals and companies doing the bulk of the investing and conquering, rather than using European military methods.

Yeah and?

Free global economy.

Besides, no private company "conquered" any land at all.

Yeah and?

Free global economy.

Besides, no private company "conquered" any land at all.

No. They purchased it. Sugar fields in Cuba and Pueto Rico. Pineapple and Oranges in Hawaii (a good example of economic annexation). Land grabs in what is now Arizona and Southern California. Of course, the Robber Barons had both private armies (Pinkerton) and the US Army to help out.

No. They purchased it. Sugar fields in Cuba and Pueto Rico. Pineapple and Oranges in Hawaii (a good example of economic annexation). Land grabs in what is now Arizona and Southern California. Of course, the Robber Barons had both private armies (Pinkerton) and the US Army to help out.

Arizona and SoCal were ours to begin with. We won them from the Mexicans, fare and square.

No. They purchased it. Sugar fields in Cuba and Pueto Rico. Pineapple and Oranges in Hawaii (a good example of economic annexation). Land grabs in what is now Arizona and Southern California. Of course, the Robber Barons had both private armies (Pinkerton) and the US Army to help out.

And guess what.

They payed taxes to that country's government. Imagine what kind of shit hole Latin America would be if the US had no involvement with it at all, economic or otherwise.

It might be worse then Africa, although I'm not so sure.

I am under 18 myself. Calm down, I was just trying to explain why it happens and that the views of rich teenagers from Europe aren't necessarily those of the whole of the world.

well it pisses me off that you would think that that is my only reason. I have done my research and it seems that while news and encyclopedia articles say that European imperialism is bad, they are nothing to pages of anti-US retoric.

And guess what.

They payed taxes to that country's government. Imagine what kind of shit hole Latin America would be if the US had no involvement with it at all, economic or otherwise.

It might be worse then Africa, although I'm not so sure.

In some situations, the Barons outright owned the governments (Cuba between 1900 and 1959 is glaring example).

The US is fortunate in that its empire is all lumped together, rather than the case of the rather far flung European ones.

Of course this made Germany angry.

Of course this made Germany angry.

Specifically, Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Specifically, Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Indeed. Though I blame it on a lack of a good British education. Had he been buggered a few times at Harrow, he might not have harbored such delusions of grandeur.

Indeed. Though I blame it on a lack of a good British education. Had he been buggered a few times at Harrow, he might not have harbored such delusions of grandeur.

I would place a lot on his botched arm (technical term needed). The doctor birthing him screwed up getting him out and it left him with a bum left(?) arm. This lead to a personality disorder about image. Which leads to the lust for world renown that Bismarck deemed unsafe. The firing of Bismarck was probably the first cog in the fall of the Second Reich.

@OP: Don't bother trying to put the USA in a good light on the internet. Too many people that blame us for every little thing that goes wrong on earth.

"My japanese car broke down. Damn you, America"
"I got mugged on the way home from work in a bad part of london. We have to get America to get rid of privite gun owner ship."

Okay, why is it that people are allways accusing the US of imperialism (1800-1920 it the time period im talking about i don't want to get into a debate on modern politics) and I have never heard a peep about what their nations were doing in said period. I happen to know that the US of A was not the only one engaged in these affairs, but we are the only ones getting bashed. What Gives?

The Philllippines were colonized by the US. Who supported the rebellion against the Spanish government there. We also grabbed American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, and Guam. And the Virgin Islands we had to pay for.

I would place a lot on his botched arm (technical term needed). The doctor birthing him screwed up getting him out and it left him with a bum left(?) arm. This lead to a personality disorder about image. Which leads to the lust for world renown that Bismarck deemed unsafe. The firing of Bismarck was probably the first cog in the fall of the Second Reich.

Yah, though a good dose of buggery would have cured all that IMO.

More seriously though, the UK screwed things up by neither being for, or against ,WWI until it was. General conscription in 1911, and a firm commitment to defend the low countries, could have forestalled all that nonsense.

And the world would have been a better place today.

1. Chronological list of interventions, with the purpose of effecting “regime change,” attempted or materially supported by the United States—whether primarily by means of overt force (OF), covert operation (CO), or subverted election (SE):

a) OF and SE imply, necessarily, prior and continuing CO.

b) OF = directly applied state terrorism by the United States repressive apparatus i.e. the Departments of War/Defense, Energy, Treasury, and State. N.B. the formation of the National Security Council (1947) and the Office of Homeland Security (2002).

c) CO = reconnaissance, classical coups d’etat, legal harassment, disinformation (through media, legal, NGO, student, labor, and other front groups), bribery, sabotage, assassination, proxy warfare, running ratlines for fascist émigré groups, and assorted other clandestine activities.

d) SE = a particular species of CO, comparatively non-violent, high plausible deniability, usually involves dumping tons of cash and campaign technologies into the hands of rightist groups during elections, sowing discord in leftist parties, buying up media space in order to destabilize electorates, tampering directly with ballot results, and hiring jackboots to actively threaten and brutalize voters in the last resort. NB many subverted elections are preceded by lengthy terror campaigns (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yugoslavia, etc).

It should go without saying that the following entries are simplified; only the major “payoff” year is listed, where applicable. Most attempted overthrows were preceded by lengthy preparations—vast right wing conspiracies, indeed. NB that this list remains under construction; new data will be added in the next installment.

[Date – place (head of targeted state/candidate in subverted election; political affiliation): outcome (means)]

The * indicates that I’m not clever enough to have found the absent data yet. Apologies.

“Neutralist” refers to a given regime’s desire to avoid taking sides with either power bloc in the cold war. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

“Nationalist” refers to a given regime’s desire to nationalize foreign-owned means of production within its national boundaries. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

1893 – Hawaii (Liliuokalani; monarchist): success (OF)
1912 – China (Piyu; monarchist): success (OF)
1918 – Panama (Arias; center-right): success (SE)
1919 – Hungary (Kun; communist): success (CO)
1920 – USSR (Lenin; communist): failure (OF)
1924 – Honduras (Carias; nationalist): success (SE)
1934 – United States (Roosevelt; liberal): failure (CO)
1945 – Japan (Higashikuni; rightist): success (OF)
1946 – Thailand (Pridi; conservative): success (CO)
1946 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): failure (SE)
1947 – France (*; communist): success (SE)
1947 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1947 – Romania (Gheorghiu-Dej; stalinist): failure (CO)
1948 – Italy (*, communist): success (SE)
1948 – Colombia (Gaitan; populist/leftist): success (SE)
1948 – Peru (Bustamante; left/centrist): success (CO)
1949 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): success (CO)
1949 – China (Mao; communist): failure (CO)
1950 – Albania (Hoxha; communist): failure (CO)
1951 – Bolivia (Paz; center/neutralist): success (CO)
1951 – DPRK (Kim; stalinist): failure (OF)
1951 – Poland (Cyrankiewicz; stalinist): failure (CO)
1951 – Thailand (Phibun; conservative): success (CO)
1952 – Egypt (Farouk; monarchist): success (CO)
1952 – Cuba (Prio; reform/populist): success (CO)
1952 – Lebanon (*; left/populist): success: (SE)
1953 – British Guyana (*; left/populist): success (CO)
1953 – Iran (Mossadegh; liberal nationalist): success (CO)
1953 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1953 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1954 – Guatemala (Arbenz; liberal nationalist): success (OF)
1955 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1955 – India (Nehru; neutralist/socialist): failure (CO)
1955 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): success (CO)
1955 – China (Zhou; communist): failure (CO)
1955 – Vietnam (Ho; communist): success (SE)
1956 – Hungary (Hegedus; communist): success (CO)
1957 – Egypt (Nasser; military/nationalist): failure (CO)
1957 – Haiti (Sylvain; left/populist): success (CO)
1957 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Japan (*; left-center): success (SE)
1958 – Chile (*; leftists): success (SE)
1958 – Iraq (Feisal; monarchist): success (CO)
1958 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Sudan (Sovereignty Council; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Lebanon (*; leftist): success (SE)
1958 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (SE)
1959 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1959 – Nepal (*; left-centrist): success (SE)
1959 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1960 – Ecuador (Ponce; left/populist): success (CO)
1960 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1960 – Iraq (Qassem; rightist /militarist): failure (CO)
1960 – S. Korea (Syngman; rightist): success (CO)
1960 – Turkey (Menderes; liberal): success (CO)
1961 – Haiti (Duvalier; rightist/militarist): success (CO)
1961 – Cuba (Castro; communist): failure (CO)
1961 – Congo (Lumumba; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1961 – Dominican Republic (Trujillo; rightwing/military): success (CO)
1962 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): failure (SE)
1962 – Dominican Republic (*; left/populist): success (SE)
1962 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO)
1964 – Guyana (Jagan; populist/reformist): success (CO)
1964 – Bolivia (Paz; centrist/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/marxist): success (SE)
1965 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): success (CO)
1966 – Ghana (Nkrumah; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1966 – Bolivia (*; leftist): success (SE)
1966 – France (de Gaulle; centrist): failure (CO)
1967 – Greece (Papandreou; social democrat): success (CO)
1968 – Iraq (Arif; rightist): success (CO)
1969 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist): failure (CO)
1969 – Libya (Idris; monarchist): success (CO)
1970 – Bolivia (Ovando; reform nationalist): success (CO)
1970 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): success (CO)
1970 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): failure (SE)
1971 – Bolivia (Torres; nationalist/neutralist): success (CO)
1971 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1971 – Liberia (Tubman; rightist): success (CO)
1971 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1971 – Uruguay (Frente Amplio; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): failure (SE)
1973 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): success (CO)
1974 – United States (Nixon; centrist): success (CO)
1975 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): success (CO)
1975 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1975 – Bangladesh (Mujib; nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): failure (SE)
1976 – Portugal (JNS; military/leftist): success (SE)
1976 – Nigeria (Mohammed; military/nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Thailand (*; rightist): success (CO)
1976 – Uruguay (Bordaberry; center-right): success (CO)
1977 – Pakistan (Bhutto: center/nationalist): success (CO)
1978 – Dominican Republic (Balaguer; center): success (SE)
1979 – S. Korea (Park; rightist): success (CO)
1979 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (CO)
1980 – Bolivia (Siles; centrist/reform): success (CO)
1980 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1980 – Italy (*; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Liberia (Tolbert; rightist): success (CO)
1980 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): success (SE)
1980 – Dominica (Seraphin; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1981 – Seychelles (René; socialist): failure (CO)
1981 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1981 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist); success (CO)
1981 – Zambia (Kaunda; reform nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Mauritius (*; center-left): failure (SE)
1982 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): success (SE)
1982 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Chad (Oueddei; Islamic nationalist): success (CO)
1983 – Mozambique (Machel; socialist): failure (CO)
1983 – Grenada (Bishop; socialist): success (OF)
1984 – Panama (*; reform/centrist): success (SE)
1984 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (SE)
1984 – Surinam (Bouterse; left/reformist/neutralist): success (CO)
1984 – India (Gandhi; nationalist): success (CO)
1986 – Libya (Qaddafi; Islamic nationalist): failure (OF)
1987 – Fiji (Bavrada; liberal): success (CO)
1989 – Panama (Noriega; military/reform populist): success (OF)
1990 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): failure (SE)
1990 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
1991 – Albania (Alia; communist): success (SE)
1991 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): success (CO)
1991 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (OF)
1991 – Bulgaria (BSP; communist): success (SE)
1992 – Afghanistan (Najibullah; communist): success (CO)
1993 – Somalia (Aidid; right/militarist): failure (OF)
1993 – Cambodia (Han Sen/CPP; leftist): failure (SE)
1993 – Burundi (Ndadaye; conservative): success (CO)
1993 – Azerbaijan (Elchibey; reformist): success (CO)
1994 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1994 – Rwanda (Habyarimana; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – Ukraine (Kravchuk; center-left): success (SE)
1995 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1996 – Bosnia (Karadzic; centrist): success (CO)
1996 – Russia (Zyuganov; communist): success (SE)
1996 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): success (CO)
1996 – Mongolia (*; center-left): success (SE)
1998 – Congo (Kabila; rightist/military): success (CO)
1998 – United States (Clinton; conservative): failure (CO)
1998 – Indonesia (Suharto; military/rightist): success (CO)
1999 – Yugoslavia (Milosevic; left/nationalist): success (SE)
2000 – United States (Gore; conservative): success (SE)
2000 – Ecuador (NSC; leftist): success: (CO)
2001 – Afghanistan (Omar; rightist/Islamist): success (OF)
2001 – Belarus (Lukashenko; leftist): failure (SE)
2001 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
2001 – Nepal (Birendra; nationalist/monarchist): success (CO)
2002 – Venezuela (Chavez; reform-populist): failure (CO)
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
2002 – Brazil (Lula; center-left): failure (SE)

We should keep in mind that the goals of the imperialist in each of these instances are multiple: acquisition of access to local “markets” of all varieties; imposition of neoliberal policy; destruction of any potential alternative to the techno-fascist ruling order; provision of incentive for a sprawling parasitical and parastatal medical-intelligence-military-industrial complex (MIMIC); production of official “villains” for propaganda purposes; intimidation of non-combatants (as in the year 1945), and continuing political hegemony of the transnational elite based in DC.

2. Chronological list of US air warfare campaigns:

Japan (1943-45): conventional; incendiary; nuclear
China (1945-49): conventional; biological
Korea (1950-53): conventional; biological; chemical; incendiary
China (1951-52): conventional; biological; chemical
Guatemala (1954): conventional
Indonesia (1958): conventional
Cuba (1959-61): conventional; (biochemical attacks in other years)
Guatemala (1960): conventional
Vietnam (1961-73): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster
Congo (1964): conventional
Peru (1965): conventional
Laos (1964-73): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster
Guatemala (1967-69): conventional
Cambodia (1969-70): conventional; chemical; biological
Cambodia (1975): conventional
El Salvador (1980-89): conventional
Nicaragua (1980-89): conventional
Grenada (1983): conventional
Lebanon (1983-4): conventional
Syria (1984): conventional
Libya (1986): conventional
Iran (1987): conventional
Panama (1989): conventional; chemical; biological
Iraq (1991-2002): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster; DU
Kuwait (1991): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster; DU
Somalia (1993): conventional
Bosnia (1993-95): conventional; cluster; DU
Sudan (1998): conventional; biological
Afghanistan (1998): conventional
Yugoslavia (1999): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster; DU
Afghanistan (2001-02): conventional; chemical; biological; cluster; DU

3. Chronological list of US client states: [under construction]

1847 – Liberia: to present
1848 – Mexico: to 1911
1893 – Hawaii: to 1959
1899 – Cuba: to 1959
1903 – Dominican Republic: to present
1903 – Honduras: to present
1912 – China: to 1949
1922 – Italy: to 1941
1928 – Portugal: to 1974
1933 – Germany: to 1941
1939 – Spain: to present
1943 – Italy: to present
1944 – Saudi Arabia: to present
1945 – France: to 1965
1945 – Japan: to present
1945 – West Germany: to 1960
1945 – South Korea: to present
1945 – Burma: to 1962
1946 – Thailand: to present
1947 – Greece: to 1964
1947 – Turkey: to present
1948 – Israel: to present
1949 – Taiwan: to present
1950 – Colombia: to present
1952 – Australia: to present
1952 – Lebanon: to present
1952 – New Zealand: to 1985
1953 – Iran: to 1979
1954 – Guatemala: to present
1954 – Pakistan: to present
1959 – Paraguay: to present
1955 – South Vietnam: to 1975
1957 – Haiti: to present
1957 – Jordan: to present
1960 – Congo/Zaire: to present
1963 – Iraq: to 1990
1964 – Bolivia: to present
1964 – Brazil: to present
1965 – Greece: to present
1965 – Peru: to present
1966 – Central African Republic: to present
1969 – Oman: to present
1970 – Egypt: to present
1970 – Cambodia: to 1979
1970 – Uruguay: to present
1975 – Morocco: to present
1976 – Portugal: to present
1978 – Kenya: to present
1978 – S. Africa: to 1990
1979 – Yemen: to present
1979 – Somalia: to 1991
1982 – Chad: to present
1982 – Mexico: to present
1984 – Brunei: to present
1988 – Burma: to present
1992 – Angola: to 2002
1993 – Azerbaijan: to present
1993 – Eritrea: to present
1993 – Nigeria: to present
1994 – Ukraine: to present
1995 – Ethiopia: to present
2000 – Kyrgyzstan: to present
2001 – Afghanistan: to present

[all of Latin America (sans Mexico, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Cuba 1964-1990); a legion of others ]

4. Chronological list of states held in the manacles of debt-leverage imperialism:

N.B. these states are held in the thralldom of “odious debt” imposed upon them by (typically) quasi-fascistic regimes who 1) often enough were empowered via United States state terrorism and 2) accepted the terms of United States dominated Bretton Woods restructuring programs.

Many countries found themselves in dire monetary and fiscal straits in the early 1980s—after the Nixon shocks, the various oil embargoes, and the Volcker interest rate hikes. At this time of the debt crisis, the IMF and World Bank became “lenders of last resort” for regimes unable to meet balance of payments obligations to imperialist-controlled banks—but such lending comes with a cost: dismantle any and all policies that don’t adhere to the mystical mantras of neoliberalism (ie such policies as protectionism, capital regulation, state industry, wage control, labor and environmental regulation, resistance to currency devaluation, autochthonous/non-export production, etc had to go); such is the nature of the structural adjustment program (SAP).

Note further that these policies were the Reaganites’ answer to the “Crisis of Democracy” (as defined by the geniuses in the Trilateral Commission) that was occurring on a global scale and to the relative loss of US geopolitical power in the late 1970s. In order to disrupt the G-77, UNCTAD, and other international movements modeled on the success of OPEC, the debt crisis and its neoliberal response were engineered for the sake of ushering in a new world order of managed friggin’ chaos. It is good to recall that a number of countries that have refused SAP have been attacked (e.g., Serbia) and/or destabilized (e.g., Belarus). It is also prudent to realize that many an “ethnic,” “religious,” or otherwise vaguely described “civil” war has been caused directly by SAP (e.g., Somalia, Yugoslavia).

Moreover note that the meaning of “debt crisis” is that subjugated nations that were unable to meet balance of payments obligations to imperialist-controlled banks threatened the survival of such banks, and thus this privately held debt was transferred to public institutions, thereby socializing risk while insuring the sanctity of corporate profit. (I.e., “crisis” does not here refer to those horrors being inflicted on subjugated peoples.)

[Year of initial SAP implementation – nations]

1980 – Jamaica

1981 – Brazil; Mauritius; Uganda

1982 – Mexico; Ecuador; Bangladesh; Central African Republic; Argentina; Tanzania

1983 – Chile; Ghana; Kenya; Malawi; Niger; Somalia

1984 – Congo/Zaire; Mauritania; Senegal

1985 – Bolivia; Botswana; Costa Rica; Gambia; Guinea; Sao Tome

1986 – Madagascar; Nigeria; Philippines; Sierra Leone; Tunisia

1987 – Zambia; Algeria; Guinea-Bissau; Mozambique; Sudan; Yugoslavia

1988 – Equatorial Guinea; Guyana; Hungary; Pakistan; Sri Lanka

1989 – Cameroon; El Salvador; Jordan; Lesotho; Trinidad; Venezuela; Congo (RC); Togo

1990 – Colombia; Czech Republic; Nicaragua; Peru; Rwanda

1991 – Angola; Burkina Faso; Cote d’Ivoire; Egypt; Ethiopia; India; Romania; Zimbabwe

1992 – Latvia; Reunion; Ukraine; Belarus; Azerbaijan; Georgia; Armenia; Kazakhstan; Uzbekistan; Moldova

1993 – Benin; Gabon; Russia; S. Africa; Surinam

1994 – Eritrea; Cambodia; Haiti; Mali

1995 – Seychelles; Swaziland; Tajikistan

1996 – Bosnia-Herzegovina; Comoros; Uruguay

1997 – Bulgaria; Djibouti; Indonesia

1998 – Mongolia; Paraguay; S. Korea; Thailand; Yemen

1999 – Kosovo

5. Rough chronological list of foreign territories “hosting” US military installations. The range of years for each group attempts to indicate when the country in question first began its role as “host” for US military facilities. NB I’m still corroborating these. [under construction]

“Mahan Doctrine” group (1898-1904): Guam; Puerto Rico; Philippines; Cuba; Hawaii, Panama

“Monroe Doctrine-Crisis of Capital” group (1905-1935): Antarctica; Azores; Galapagos; Haiti; Liberia; Nicaragua; Samoa

“Welt Krieg” group (1939-1953): Antigua; Australia; Bahamas; Belgium; Bermuda; British Guiana; Burma; Denmark; France; Germany; Greece; Greenland; Iceland; Indonesia; Iran; Italy; Jamaica; Japan; Johnston Atoll; Korea; Marshall Islands; Midway Islands; Morocco; Netherlands; Newfoundland; New Zealand; Okinawa; Portugal; Spain; St. Lucia; Taiwan; Thailand; Trinidad; Turkey; United Kingdom; Vietnam

“Post-Monroe Doctrine-War on Drugs/Depopulation” group (1954-2002): Aruba, Bolivia; Brazil; Colombia; Costa Rica; DRC; Ecuador; El Salvador; Ghana; Guatemala; Honduras; Ivory Coast; Nigeria; Peru; Rwanda; Senegal

“Carter Doctrine” group (1978-1981): Bahrain; Diego Garcia; Egypt; Israel; Kenya; Oman; Somalia

“New World Order-Persian Gulf” group (1990-1991): Kuwait; Qatar; Saudi Arabia; UAE; Yemen

“New World Order-Balkans” group (1991-2001): Albania; Bosnia; Croatia; Hungary; Kosovo; Macedonia

“Afghanistan War/Caspian Basin” group (2000-2002): Afghanistan; Azerbaijan; Georgia; India; Kazakhstan; Kyrgyzstan; Pakistan; Tajikistan; Uzbekistan

6. Chronological list of US murder toll: [under construction]

The murder toll has been achieved by either direct violence (e.g. the firebombing and nuking of Japan or the firebombing of Dresden) or indirect/proxy “low intensity conflict” (e.g. Rwanda in the 90s or Nicaragua in the 80s). (I have not here accounted for the deaths attributable to SAP.) Some extremely conservative estimates—

Native Americans (1776-2002): 4M
West Africans (1776-1865): 4M
Philippines (1898-1904): 600K
Germany (1945): 200K
Japan (1945): 900K
China (1945-60): 200K
Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M

We should also take note that the United States bears more than superficial responsibility for the Nazi Holocaust: e.g., the turning away of Jewish, Romani, and other refugees; funding the concentration camp system; underwriting the Third Reich’s military; delay in opening a western front; policies of appeasement before the war; siding with the fascists during the Spanish Civil War; turning down Stalin’s offer to attack Germany jointly in 1938; providing theoretical inspiration for lebensraum, final solutions, anti-communism, anti-Semitism, etc; rebuilding Germany after the war with the fascist infrastructure still intact; saving war criminals; general ideological support; and so forth.

7. Alphabetical list of rightwing dictators, reactionary movements, and other reprehensible figures empowered/materially supported by the US: [under construction]

It seems as though the number one criterion for getting a job as the head of a client state is a willingness to butcher leftists. Indeed, the use of unsavory rightists by the United States began neither with the anti-Castro Cuban émigré community, nor with the Afghan mujaheddin alumni, oh Nelly no!

[the dates provided are sloppily done, I concede. At times, they are just the general duration of the given regime (e.g., Selassie). Most others are the duration of US support while the regime lasted (e.g., Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc.)]

Abacha, Sani (Nigeria: 1993-2000)
Afwerki, Isaias (Eritrea: 1993-2002)
Amin, Idi (Uganda: 1971-1979)
Arévalo, Marco (Guatemala: 1985-1991)
Bakr, Ahmad (Iraq: 1968-1979)
Banzer Suarez, Hugo (Bolivia: 1971-1978)
Bao Dai (Vietnam: 1949-1955)
Barak, Ehud (Israel: 1999-2001)
Barre, Siad (Somalia: 1979-1991)
Batista, Fulgencio (Cuba: 1940-44/1952-1959)
Begin, Menachem (Israel: 1977-1983)
Ben-Gurion, David (Israel: 1948-1953, 1955-1963)
Betancourt Bello, Rumulo (Venezuela: 1959-1964)
Bokassa, Jean-Bedel (Central African Republic: 1966-1976)
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal (Brunei: 1984-2002)
Botha, P.W. (South Africa: 1978-1989)
Branco, Humberto (Brazil: 1964-1966)
Carmona, Pedro (Venezuela: 2002)
Cedras, Raoul (Haiti: 1991)
Chamoun, Camille (Lebanon: 1952-1958)
Chiang Kai-shek (China: 1928-1949/Taiwan: 1949-1975)
Christiani, Alfredo (El Salvador: 1989-1994)
Chun Doo Hwan (S. Korea: 1980-1988)
Cordova, Roberto (Honduras: 1981-1985)
Diaz, Porfirio (Mexico: 1876-1911)
Diem, Ngo Dinh (S. Vietnam: 1955-1963)
Doe, Samuel (Liberia: 1980-90)
Duvalier, Francois (Haiti: 1957-1971)
Duvalier, Jean Claude (Haiti: 1971-1986)
Eshkol, Levi (Israel: 1963-1969)
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz (Saudi Arabia: 1969-2002)
Feisal, King (Iraq: 1939-1958)
Franco, Francisco (Spain: 1937-1975)
Fujimori, Alberto (Peru: 1990-2002)
Habre, Hissen (Chad: 1982-1990);
Hassan II (Morocco: 1961-1999)
Hitler, Adolf (Germany: 1933-1939)
Hussein, King (Jordan: 1952-1999)
Hussein, Saddam (Iraq: 1979-1990)
Kabila, Laurent (CDR: 1997-1998)
Karzai, Hamid (Afghanistan: 2001-2002)
Khan, Ayub (Pakistan: 1958-1969)
Koirala, B. (Nepal: 1959-1960)
Lon Nol (Cambodia: 1970-1975)
Marcos, Ferdinand (Philippines: 1965-1986)
Martinez, Maximiliano (El Salvador: 1931-1944)
Meir, Golda (Israel: 1969-1974)
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia: 1995-2002)
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire: 1965-1997)
Moi, Daniel (Kenya: 1978-2002)
Montt, Efrain (Guatemala: 1982-1983)
Mubarak, Hosni (Egypt: 1981-2002)
Museveni, Yoweri (Uganda: 1986-2002)
Musharaf, Pervez (Pakistan: 1999-2002)
Mussolini, Benito (Italy: 1922-1939)
Netanyahu, Benjamin (Israel: 1996-1999)
Noriega, Manuel (Panama: 1983-1989)
Odria, Manuel (Peru: 1948-1956)
Omar, Mohamed (Afghanistan: 1996-2001)
Ozal, Turgut (Turkey: 1989-1993)
Pahlevi , Rezi (Iran: 1953-1979)
Papadopoulos, George (Greece: 1967-1973)
Park Chung Hee (S. Korea: 1960-1979)
Pastrana, Andres (Colombia: 1998-2002)
Peres, Shimon (Israel: 1977, 1984-1986, 1995-1996)
Perez Jimenez, Marcos (Venezuela: 1952-58)
Pinilla, Gustavo (Colombia: 1953-1957)
Pinochet, Augusto (Chile: 1973-1990)
Pol Pot (Cambodia: 1975-1998)
al-Qaddafi, Muammar (Libya: 1969-1971)
Rabin, Yitzhak (Israel: 1974-1977, 1992-1995)
Rabuka, Sitiveni (Fiji: 1987, 1992-1999)
Al Sadat, Anwar (Egypt: 1970-1981)
Selassie, Halie (Ethiopia: 1941-1974)
Salazar, Antonio (Portugal: 1932-1968)
Saud, Abdul Aziz (Saudi Arabia: 1944-1969)
Seaga, Edward (Jamaica: 1980-1989)
Shamir, Yitzhak (Israel: 1983-1984; 1986-1992)
Sharett, Moshe (Israel: 1953-1955)
Sharon, Ariel (Israel: 2001-2002)
Smith, Ian (Rhodesia: 1965-1979)
Somoza Sr., Anastasio (Nicaragua: 1936-1956)
Somoza Jr., Anastasio (Nicaragua: 1963-1979)
Stroessner, Alfredo (Paraguay: 1954-1989)
Suharto, General (Indonesia: 1966-1999)
Syngman Rhee (S. Korea: 1948-1960)
Tolbert, William (Liberia: 1971-1980)
Trujillo, Rafael (Dominican Republic: 1930-1960)
Tubman, William (Liberia: 1944-1971)
Uribe, Alvaro (Colombia: 2002)
Videla, Jorge (Argentina: 1976-1981)
Yeltsin, Boris (Russia: 1991-1999)
Zaim, Hosni (Syria: 1949)
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed (Pakistan: 1977-1988)

other nasty nasties:
RPF (contra French client Rwanda);
SPLA contra Islamist Sudan, (a French client);
clients in Cameroon, Congo, Ivory Coast, Togo and Benin, after subverted elections (contra French proxies);
AFDL (Kabila);
Dalai Lama (Tibet);
bin Laden’s al Qaida;
Savimbi’s UNITA

Nazi war criminals and collaborators knowingly rescued in the years after WW2 by US intelligence for use as covert assets against the USSR:

R. Gehlen; O. Skorzeny; A. Brunner; O. von Bolschwing; W. von Braun; M. Lebed; A. Vlasov; I. Docheff; K. Dragonovich; I. Bogolepov; C. Bolydreff; A. Berzins; H. Herwarth; K. Barbie; I. Demjanjuk; W. Dornberger; V. Hazners; B. Maikovskis; E. Laipenieks; N. Nazarenko; L. Pasztor; R. Ostrowsky; L. Kairys; P. Shandruk; T. Soobzokov; S. Stankievich; and literally thousands of others.

8. List of “international” bodies designed/employed/perverted by the United States: [under construction]

UN/ OECD/ WHO
G8/IMF/WB/WTO/NAFTA/MAI/FTAA/Colombo Plan
NATO/SEATO/CTO/ANZUS/OAS

9. Chronological list of interventions by the United States, with the purpose of opposing (or aiding opposition to) popular resistance movements—whether by means of overt force (OF) or covert operation (CO):

[Date – place (targeted movement): outcome (means)]

1776-1865 – United States (numerous slave rebellions): success (OF)
1782-1787 – United States (Wyoming Valley): success (OF)
1786-1787 – United States (Shay’s Rebellion): success (OF)
1790-1795 – United States (Ohio Valley tribes): success (OF)
1794-1794 – United States (Whiskey Rebellion): success (OF)
1798-1800 – United States (Alien & Sedition trials): success (CO)
1799-1799 – United States (Fries’ Rebellion): success (OF)
1805-1806 – United States (Boston union “conspiracy”): success (CO)
1806-1807 – United States (Burr’s Insurrection): success (OF)
1810-1821 – Spanish Florida (Africans, Natives, etc): success (OF)
1811-1811 – United States (Tecumseh’s Confederacy): success (OF)
1813-1814 – United States (Creeks): success (OF)
1822-1822 – United States (Vesey’s Rebellion): success (CO)
1823-1824 – United States (Arikara): success (OF)
1826-1827 – United States (Philadelphia union “conspiracy”): success (CO)
1827-1827 – United States (Fever River & Winnebago): success (OF)
1831-1831 – United States (Turner’s rebellion): success (OF)
1831-1831 – United States (Sac & Fox): success (OF)
1832-1832 – United States (Black Hawks): success (OF)
1833-1834 – Argentina (rebellion): success (OF)
1835-1835 – United States (Murrel’s Uprising): success (CO)
1835-1836 – Peru (rebellion): success (OF)
1835-1842 – United States (Seminoles): success (OF)
1836-1837 – United States (Sabine, Osage): success (OF)
1836-1844 – Mexico (anti-Texans, Natives, etc): success (OF)
1837-1838 – United States (massive strikes): success (OF)
1838-1839 – United States (Mormons): success (OF)
1842-1842 – United States (Dorr’s Rebellion): success (OF)
1847-1855 – United States (Cayuse): success (OF)
1850-1851 – United States (Mariposa tribes): success (OF)
1851-1859 – United States (Washington tribes): success (OF)
1852-1853 – Argentina (rebellion in Buenos Aires): success (OF
1854-1856 – China (rebellion): success (OF)
1855-1856 – United States (Sioux): success (OF)
1855-1858 – United States (Seminoles): success (OF)
1855-1858 – Nicaragua (Walker’s invasion): success (OF)
1855-1860 – United States (“Bleeding Kansas”): success (OF)
1857-1857 – United States (Cheyenne): success (OF)
1857-1858 – United States (Mormons): success (OF)
1858-1858 – Uruguay (rebellion in Montevideo): success (OF)
1858-1859 – United States (Comanche): success (OF)
1859-1859 – United States (Brownists at Harper’s Ferry): success (OF)
1860-1860 – Angola (rebellion in Kissembo): success (OF)
1860-1861 – Colombia (rebellion): success (OF)
1861-1865 – United States (confederate rebellion): success (OF)
1861-1865 – United States (Navajo): success (OF)
1861-1886 – United States (Apache): success (OF)
1862-1864 – United States (Sioux): success (OF)
1863-1863 – United States (draft riots): success (OF)
1863-1864 – United States (massive strikes): success (OF)
1864-1864 – United States (Sand Hill Massacre): success (OF)
1865-1865 – Panama (rebellion): success (OF)
1865-1867 – United States (Sioux): success (OF)
1867-1867 – Formosa (rebellion): success (OF)
1867-1875 – United States (Comanche): success (OF)
1868-1868 – Japan (rebellion): success (OF)]
1868-1868 – United States (Washita/South Plains tribes): success (OF)
1868-1868 – Uruguay (rebellion): success (OF)
1871-1871 – Korea (rebellion): success (OF)
1872-1873 – United States (Modocs): success (OF)
1874-1875 – United States (Red River War): success (OF)
1874-1874 – United States (Kiowa): success (OF)
1876-1877 – United States (Sioux/Cheyenne): success (OF)
1877-1877 – United States (St Louis general strike, others): success (OF)
1877-1877 – United States (Nez Perce): success (OF)
1878-1878 – United States (Idaho tribes): success (OF)
1878-1879 – United States (Cheyenne): success (OF)
1879-1880 – United States (Ute): success (OF)
1885-1885 – United States (New York textile strikes): failure (OF)
1886-1886 – United States (massive strikes, Haymarket): success (OF)
1888-1888 – Korea (rebellion): success (OF)
1888-1893 – Hawaii (rebellion contra Dole): success (OF)
1888-1889 – Samoa (rebellion): success (OF)
1890-1891 – United States (Pine Ridge, Wounded Knee): success (OF)
1891-1891 – Haiti (Navassa uprising): success (OF)
1891-1892 – Chile (rebellion): success (OF)
1892-1892 – United States (Idaho miners): success (OF)
1893-1894 – United States (massive strikes): success (OF)
1894-1894 – Nicaragua (Bluefields unrest): success (OF)
1894-1894 – United States (Chicago rail/Pullman strikes): success (OF)
1894-1895 – Brazil (rebellion): success (OF)
1894-1896 – Korea (post Sino-Japanese war rebellion): success (OF)
1896-1899 – Nicaragua (rebellions): success (OF)
1898-1900 – United States (Chippewa at Leech Lake): success (OF)
1898-1902 – Philippines (nationalist resistance): success (OF)
1899-1899 – Samoa (Mataafa): success (OF)
1899-1901 – United States (Idaho miners): success (OF)
1900-1941 – China (Boxers, communists, etc): success (OF)
1901-1901 – United States (Creek uprising): success (OF)
1901-1901 – United States (Steel strikes): failure (OF)
1901-1902 – Colombia (rebellions): success (OF)
1901-1913 – Philippines (Moslem Moro rebellion): success (OF)
1903-1903 – Honduras (rebellion): success (OF)
1903-1904 – Dominican Republic (rebellion): success (OF)
1904-1909 – United States (Kentucky tobacco farmers): success (OF)
1906-1909 – Cuba (rebellion): success (OF)
1907-1911 – Honduras (leftists, Bonilla): success (OF)
1909-1911 – United States (NY/Triangle textile strikes): failure (OF)
1911-1912 – China (rebellions): success (OF)
1912-1925 – Nicaragua (leftists): success (OF)
1913-1919 – Mexico (various rebellions, Villa): failure (OF)
1914-1914 – United States (Ludlow Massacre): success (OF)
1914-1924 – Dominican Republic (various factions): success (OF)
1915-1934 – Haiti (Sam, etc): success (OF)
1916-1917 – United States (Arizona miners strike): success (OF)
1917-1918 – United States (IWW): success (CO)
1917-1919 – United States (Espionage Act trials): success (CO)
1917-1922 – Cuba (rebellions): success (OF)
1918-1920 – Panama (strikes, election protests, etc): success (OF)
1919-1919 – Honduras (rebellion): success (OF)
1919-1920 – United States (Palmer Raids): success (CO)
1919-1920 – Costa Rica (Tinoco, etc): success (CO)
1919-1920 – United States (Great Steel Strike, others): success (OF)
1920-1921 – United States (West Virginian miners): success (OF)
1920-1928 – United States (prison rebellions): success (OF)
1920-1920 – Guatemala (Unionists): success (OF)
1922-1922 – Turkey (Nationalists): success (OF)
1922-1923 – United States (massive strikes): success (OF)
1924-1925 – Honduras (rebellions): success (OF)
1925-1925 – Panama (general strike): success (OF)
1926-1933 – Nicaragua (Sandino, others): success (OF)
1931-1932 – El Salvador (Marti): success (OF)
1932-1932 – United States (DC Bonus Strikers): success (OF)
1933-1933 – Cuba (rebellion): success (OF)
1935-1935 – Philippines (Sakdal Uprising): success (OF)
1938-1957 – United States (leftists: HUAC, McCarthyism): success (CO)
1943-1946 – United States (unprecedented strikes): success (OF)
1944-1951 – Greece (EAM/ELAS/KKE): success (CO)
1945-1949 – China (maoism): failure (OF)
1945-1954 – Vietnam (Viet Minh): failure (CO)
1946-1947 – S. Korea (mass resistance to US military rule): success (OF)
1947-1950 – Turkey (TKP): success (CO)
1948-1948 – S. Korea (democratic resistance): success (OF)
1948-1954 – Philippines (Huks): success (CO)
1950-1951 – United States (Puerto Rican independence): success (OF)
1950-1953 – United States (many prison rebellions): success (OF)
1952-1975 – Japan (general anti-US protests): success (OF)
1952-1957 – Japan (protestors in Okinawa): success (OF)
1953-1963 – Syria (ASRP/Baathists): failure (CO)
1954-1962 – Algeria (FLN): failure (CO)
1956-1971 – United States (Cointelpro-CPUSA): success (CO)
1956-1975 – South Vietnam (NLF): failure (OF)
1957-1959 – Lebanon (leftists): success (OF)
1957-1958 – Jordan (leftists/anti-monarchists): success (OF)
1959-1960 – Haiti (rebels contra Duvalier): success (OF)
1960-1971 – United States (Cointelpro-Puertorriquenos): success (CO)
1960-1966 – Peru (leftist rebels/PCP): success (CO)
1960-1963 – Venezuela (FALN; leftist): success (CO)
1962-1969 – United States (Cointelpro-SWP): success (CO)
1963-1965 – El Salvador (various rebels): success (CO)
1964-1964 – Panama (Canal activists): success (OF)
1965-1968 – United States (mass urban race riots): failure (OF)
1965-1966 – Dominican Republic (Bosch supporters): success (OF)
1965-1966 – Indonesia (PKI): success (CO)
1965-2000 – East Timor (independence movement): failure (CO)
1966-1973 – United States (massive antiwar protest): failure (OF)
1966-2002 – Colombia (FARC/ELN): success (CO)
1966-1988 – Namibia (SWAPO): failure (CO)
1966-1967 – Guatemala (leftists): success (CO)
1967-1971 – United States (Cointelpro-SCLC, BPP, CORE, etc): failure (CO)
1967-1967 – United States (Detroit black workers): success (OF)
1967-1971 – Uruguay (Tupamaros): success (CO)
1967-1968 – United States (San Quentin prison rebellions): success (OF)
1967-1969 – Japan (protestors in Okinawa): success (OF)
1968-1969 – United States (MLK assassination riots): success (OF)
1968-1971 – United States (Cointelpro-SDS): success (CO)
1969-1970 – United States (IAT at Alcatraz): success (OF)
1969-1970 – Oman (Dhufar Rebellion): success (CO)
1969-2002 – Philippines (maoism): success (CO)
1970-1970 – United States (several prison rebellions): success (OF)
1970-1970 – United States (campus uprisings: KSU, etc): success (OF)
1970-1970 – Jordan (Palestinian resistance): success (CO)
1970-1972 – Bangladesh (independence movement): failure (CO)
1970-1972 – Trinidad (rebellions): success (OF)
1971-1971 – United States (post-Jackson murder prison riots): success (OF)
1972-1973 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas): success (OF)
1973-1973 – United States (Lakota at Wounded Knee): success (OF)
1973-1976 – United States (Cointelpro-AIM): success (CO)
1974-2002 – Israel (PLO): success (CO)
1974-2002 – Turkey (PKK): success (CO)
1977-1978 – United States (coal miners): failure (OF)
1980-2002 – Peru (MRTA/Shining Path): success (CO)
1981-1992 – El Salvador (FMLN, etc): success (CO)
1981-1990 – Honduras (PCH, FPR, etc): success (CO)
1981-1981 – United States (air controllers strike): success (OF)
1982-1983 – Morocco (MOL): success (CO)
1982-1984 – Lebanon (leftist & Moslem resistance): failure (OF)
1986-1990 – Bolivia (peasants): success (OF)
1989-1989 – St. Croix (Black rebellion): success (OF)
1992-1992 – United States (LA uprising): success (OF)
1994-2002 – Mexico (EZLN/Zapatistas): success (CO)
1995-1998 – Japan (protestors in Okinawa): success (OF)
1996-2002 – Nepal (CPN): success (CO)


Source: http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm

The US used bioweapons in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan?

And Iraq I. *nods*

Source: http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm
The US used bioweapons in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan?

The US used bioweapons in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan?

They also count cluster and incinderary bombs (Napalm or Whitey Phosphorous.)

I honestly lol'd when the Southern Rebellion was described as a "popular resistance movement".

Epic.

They also count cluster and incinderary bombs (Napalm or Whitey Phosphorous.)

Naplam and WP are not chemical weapons. They are valid weapons of war just as bullets and tanks are.

Also half of those were inside the US. So are we supposed to let rebels succed in over throwing the rightful governemnt? I'm surprised they didn't include the American Revolution.

They also count cluster and incinderary bombs (Napalm or Whitey Phosphorous.)
Well, that's fine. I don't doubt they used those.

I'm wondering about the bioweapons claim.

Naplam and WP are not chemical weapons. They are valid weapons of war just as bullets and tanks are.

Exactly, making the stats AP posted worthless and biased.

Exactly, making the stats AP posted worthless and biased.

Of course, they get one fact wrong and the rest should be ignored aswell.:rolleyes:

Of course, they get one fact wrong and the rest should be ignored aswell.:rolleyes:

Yup.

That means they shouldn't be trusted until they fix the facts.

3. Chronological list of US client states: [under construction]

1847 – Liberia: to present
1903 – Dominican Republic: to present
1903 – Honduras: to present
1939 – Spain: to present
1943 – Italy: to present
1944 – Saudi Arabia: to present
1945 – Japan: to present
1945 – South Korea: to present
1946 – Thailand: to present
1947 – Turkey: to present
1948 – Israel: to present
1949 – Taiwan: to present
1950 – Colombia: to present
1952 – Australia: to present
1952 – Lebanon: to present
1954 – Guatemala: to present
1954 – Pakistan: to present
1959 – Paraguay: to present
1957 – Haiti: to present
1957 – Jordan: to present
1960 – Congo/Zaire: to present
1964 – Bolivia: to present
1964 – Brazil: to present
1965 – Greece: to present
1965 – Peru: to present
1966 – Central African Republic: to present
1969 – Oman: to present
1970 – Egypt: to present
1970 – Uruguay: to present
1975 – Morocco: to present
1976 – Portugal: to present
1978 – Kenya: to present
1979 – Yemen: to present
1982 – Chad: to present
1982 – Mexico: to present
1984 – Brunei: to present
1988 – Burma: to present
1993 – Azerbaijan: to present
1993 – Eritrea: to present
1993 – Nigeria: to present
1994 – Ukraine: to present
1995 – Ethiopia: to present
2000 – Kyrgyzstan: to present
2001 – Afghanistan: to present

I loled.

We should also take note that the United States bears more than superficial responsibility for the Nazi Holocaust

This should be good...

e.g., the turning away of Jewish, Romani, and other refugees

Fair enough...most nations did.

funding the concentration camp system

Eh?

underwriting the Third Reich’s military

Wanna run that one by me again?

delay in opening a western front

That would be Churchill's idea...

policies of appeasement before the war

LOL...because the U.S. was the biggest appeaser pre-1939.

siding with the fascists during the Spanish Civil War

Just plain false...the U.S. Government was neutral. Certain companies would or would not sell supplies to certain sides, but that is certainly not the same thing.

turning down Stalin’s offer to attack Germany jointly in 1938

First I've ever heard of it...and considering what Stalin was up to in 1938, I'm actually glad we said no.

providing theoretical inspiration for lebensraum, final solutions, anti-communism, anti-Semitism, etc;

Note the bolded portion above...we've got superficial AND theortical influence, so the U.S. must be responsible. :rolleyes:

rebuilding Germany after the war with the fascist infrastructure still
intact;

So...what? We should have just left big piles of rubble everywhere?

saving war criminals;

Admittedly, yes...and how many did the Soviets save?

general ideological support; and so forth.

Oh noes!


...seriously, there's biased, and then there's shit like this.

I loled.



This should be good...



Fair enough...most nations did.



Eh?



Wanna run that one by me again?



That would be Churchill's idea...



LOL...because the U.S. was the biggest appeaser pre-1939.



Just plain false...the U.S. Government was neutral. Certain companies would or would not sell supplies to certain sides, but that is certainly not the same thing.



First I've ever heard of it...and considering what Stalin was up to in 1938, I'm actually glad we said no.



Note the bolded portion above...we've got superficial AND theortical influence, so the U.S. must be responsible. :rolleyes:



So...what? We should have just left big piles of rubble everywhere?



Admittedly, yes...and how many did the Soviets save?



Oh noes!


...seriously, there's biased, and then there's shit like this.

That killed me...thanks for that...made my day...lol..coming from AP though...Im not surprised...poor kid can't think on his own and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about..very funny break down though....keep up the good work

EDIT: C'est le miens!

On dit "c'est le mien" parce que c'est singulier.

Source: http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm

Skimmed it, due to long. Laughed my ass off.
CHINA was a US client state until '49?

Good stuff.

EDIT:
Wait wait wait wait
6. Chronological list of US murder toll: [under construction]

The murder toll has been achieved by either direct violence (e.g. the firebombing and nuking of Japan or the firebombing of Dresden) or indirect/proxy “low intensity conflict” (e.g. Rwanda in the 90s or Nicaragua in the 80s). (I have not here accounted for the deaths attributable to SAP.) Some extremely conservative estimates—

Source: http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm

The problem with lists like that is that if you can point to even one dubious or outright incorrect entry, the entire edifice becomes unreliable.

And, I can. The fall of the Whitlam Labour government in Australia, also known as the Dismissal, is one of the most divisive and defining events in Australian political history, as one of only two times when the Governor General has actually used his constitution-granted powers, and as a singular example of attempting too much reform, too fast.

As a result, it is one of the most studied pieces of political history in Australia. All documents pertaining to it have now come under the public domain, and been excessively scrutinised by all parties, involved and neutral.

Thus I feel entirely confident in the following statement: The United States of America was not in any way involved in the fall/Dismissal of the Whitlam Labor Government.

I would suggest, Andaras,that you review your project with a less biased eye. Take as your rule the statement made by Tom Cruise's character in A Few Good Men: "It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove!"

What you have here is the basis for a very useful tool. Unfortunately, in it's current form, it will only be believed, in any way, by those already seriously hostile to the US. Everyone else will simply laugh it off.

If you cut down to those items that are absolutely unarguable, you will still have an apallingly large list (I hold no illusions regarding my country's history), but also one that will make people think rather than simply ignoring you as a crackpot.

Please do not take this criticism personally. I see great value in your project.

:upyours: I forgot u are one of those if ur under 18 you are mentallyretarded ppl.

Pardon the finger everyone else but that annoys me espesaly whan I could have a debate with you and if you didn't know my age you couln't tell the difference....this is not my first nation....

And yet, if confronted with the choice of being European, middle class and self-absorbed, or a gun-toting flag waving hick like yourself, what would most people go for?

6. Chronological list of US murder toll: [under construction]

The murder toll has been achieved by either direct violence (e.g. the firebombing and nuking of Japan or the firebombing of Dresden) or indirect/proxy “low intensity conflict” (e.g. Rwanda in the 90s or Nicaragua in the 80s). (I have not here accounted for the deaths attributable to SAP.) Some extremely conservative estimates—


Native Americans (1776-2002): 4M

.. whuh?

Can any Americans shed some light on this for me?

.. whuh?

Can any Americans shed some light on this for me?

Afraid not...I know of no governmnent sanctioned killings of Native Americans in 2002.

.. whuh?

Can any Americans shed some light on this for me?

Dun'ye know? Once we ran out of natives in America we had to start raiding Canada. We're bloodthirsty murdering savages after all. Killing natives is our national sport.
So every year we get on our horses, grab our winchesters and ride to Canada to get us some GOLD! GOLD! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!

Afraid not...I know of no governmnent sanctioned killings of Native Americans in 2002.

Where any executed?

Dun'ye know? Once we ran out of natives in America we had to start raiding Canada. We're bloodthirsty murdering savages after all. Killing natives is our national sport.
So every year we get on our horses, grab our winchesters and ride to Canada to get us some GOLD! GOLD! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!

They have Diamonds in Canada too...

They have Diamonds in Canada too...

Americans dont care about diamonds. We care about GOLD! GOLD AND OIL! And killing natives. And WIMMIN.

Americans dont care about diamonds. We care about GOLD! GOLD AND OIL! And killing natives. And WIMMIN.

Women and Drink!

The rallying cry for all American wars.

Americans dont care about diamonds. We care about GOLD! GOLD AND OIL! And killing natives. And WIMMIN.

Women like diamonds..therefor I believe we have an interest in them as well

Women and Drink!

The rallying cry for all American wars.
And land. Dont forget land. Of course, land is frequently just a way to get women and drink.

Women like diamonds..therefor I believe we have an interest in them as well

Yes, but diamonds are a secondary concern. After all, if things get too bad you can just knock a woman out with your club and drag her back to your house by the hair.

And land. Dont forget land. Of course, land is frequently just a way to get women and drink.


See, that's why Iraq was a bad idea. There's no drink in Iraq (or good looking wimmin, really). We should have invaded a place with chicks and booze. Italy, for instance.

.. whuh?

Can any Americans shed some light on this for me?

It may be an allusion to Leonard Pelletier, a Native American activist whom many consider to be a political prisoner of the USA.

Or Anne Mae Aquash.

Or the juvenile detainess of native ancestry being held in US jails:

Juvenile detainees

There were reports that Native American children in the Pine Hills School Youth Correctional Facility, aged from 14 to 17, were subjected to frequent bouts of pepper spray by staff. Documentation revealed during court proceedings in February showed that some youths at the facility, including several with histories of mental illness, had been sprayed as many as 15 times each.

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/amr/usa!Open

Indeed I concur...so how many WMD's does Italy have again?...or how many do we have to convince the people they have rather?

Indeed I concur...so how many WMD's does Italy have again?...or how many do we have to convince the people they have rather?

Hmmm...Italian WMD=Weapons of Mass Deliciousness?

Okay, why is it that people are allways accusing the US of imperialism (1800-1920 it the time period im talking about i don't want to get into a debate on modern politics) and I have never heard a peep about what their nations were doing in said period. I happen to know that the US of A was not the only one engaged in these affairs, but we are the only ones getting bashed. What Gives?

Bollocks are you the only one getting bashed. Bloody hell, the second world war started because Britain got annoyed with Germany's imperial activities! The last major war fought by the UK before the 1st world war was the Boer War in South Africa for god's sake!
The Japanese have spent most of the last 2 millenia trying to take over China with varying degrees of success.

I think you should broaden your horizons before you go making statements such as that.
It is endemic in the United States method of cultural imperialism that it fails to see what is happening in the outside world that does not directly affect its own fortunes.

AMK
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@OP: Don't bother trying to put the USA in a good light on the internet. Too many people that blame us for every little thing that goes wrong on earth.

"My japanese car broke down. Damn you, America"
"I got mugged on the way home from work in a bad part of london. We have to get America to get rid of privite gun owner ship."

That has to be the most pathetic and whiny post I have read in my entire life.
I blame the yanks.

AMK
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Hmmm...Italian WMD=Weapons of Mass Deliciousness?

I think we got something there...this way invasion might even appeal to people...since we have the whole obesity epidemic and all...

I think we got something there...this way invasion might even appeal to people...since we have the whole obesity epidemic and all...

It would be a more tenuous reason than the last 2 invasions I can think of.

AMK
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It would be a more tenuous reason than the last 2 invasions I can think of.

AMK
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its already working..

AP's list is quite biased, but for the most part, it is quite accurate.

The regime change list is spot on for the most part. Some are a little unsupportable, but for the most party, its true.

Naplam and WP are not chemical weapons. They are valid weapons of war just as bullets and tanks are.
I'd class them as chemical weapons.

As to what difference that makes, it makes none, because weapons are about killing people, and if they're a certain type then it doesn't really make it better or worse (perhaps with the exception of biological warfare and nukes, which are pretty deplorable).

I don't think Napalm and WP can be classified as chemical weapons.
They do however exist in the same category as dum dum bullets and land mines: illegal to be used in war.

Americans dont care about diamonds. We care about GOLD! GOLD AND OIL! And killing natives. And WIMMIN.

You forgot DRUGS (Vietnam, Cambodia, Panama, Colombia, Afghanistan...). If it's not oil, it's heroine and cocaine.

edit, I timewarped myself!

Okay, why is it that people are allways accusing the US of imperialism (1800-1920 it the time period im talking about i don't want to get into a debate on modern politics) and I have never heard a peep about what their nations were doing in said period. I happen to know that the US of A was not the only one engaged in these affairs, but we are the only ones getting bashed. What Gives?

...poor bashed usian boy...
...poor weaseling...
...poor grammar...
...poor history grades...

1800-1920 is incorrect for US imperialism. US imperialism starts with the war against Spain for Cuba and the Philippines, iirc, see Mark Twain about that, and has yet to stop. We might argue about Texas and California, but expansionism is different from imperialism, I think.

The USA are accused of imperialism? Maybe it is because they are currently:
1.the self-appointed "defender of democracy and freedom"
2.the most imperialistic nation on Earth - having replaced the historical role of the British Empah

My two eurocent, of course.

...poor bashed usian boy...
...poor weaseling...
...poor grammar...
...poor history grades...

1800-1920 is incorrect for US imperialism. US imperialism starts with the war against Spain for Cuba and the Philippines, iirc, see Mark Twain about that, and has yet to stop. We might argue about Texas and California, but expansionism is different from imperialism, I think.

The USA are accused of imperialism? Maybe it is because they are currently:
1.the self-appointed "defender of democracy and freedom"
2.the most imperialistic nation on Earth - having replaced the historical role of the British Empah

My two eurocent, of course.

Britain never had an Empire. It was merely us doing our bit to keep Jonny foreigner under control!
Can't have the wogs roaming about freely, imagine the effect on property prices! :sniper:

AMK
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