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The leader of the Dutch neo-Nazi party is speaking in Germany. Amongst other things he says the Nazi Empire will come again, and he's also speaking about territorial expansion into Poland (naturally). The police are standing by idly.

So my question is to the Germans here on NationStates. What can and what cannot be said by this guy?

It surprises me that he came back to Germany again, last time he gave a speech in Germany (1st of May) he spoke about a great nation of "white men and white women" and about the Great German Empire.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5N6tUgeRM

They let Neo Nazis in Germany?

don't you have a dutch or english translation?

Regardless of what he's saying, if it's illegal to say it then Germany is seriously fucked up, and no one is under any moral obligation to abide by that law.

I dont have an English/Dutch translation. Not gonna make one either, it will only open this pathetic individual to a larger public.

any Germans around here yet?

http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=212
http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=225

http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm
I'd have a look at Section 130 in particular.

In practice, I think as long as he doesn't deny or praise the Nazi dictatorship and the Holocaust, he'd probably be okay.

They let Neo Nazis in Germany?

Yeah isn't that strictly against the law?

Yeah isn't that strictly against the law?
IIRC there are certain symbols and phrases that can't be used.

The German NPD treads extremely close to the line.

Oh and if a GSG-9 sniper shot him, I don't think the world would have lost much. If only, if only.

Meh...I'm listenign to him and he's just someone that we have to allow but ignore.

His views are....mainly meh.

I'm listening...listening...and then finally here it comes...complaining about the Americans and their wars and their regime. I knew it was coming. He has an interesting accent though. The one thing I find unusual is how pro-German he is..when many Dutch are still very anti-German..or atleast somewhat...meh about the Germans. This guy on the other hand is....well...you can see.

Anyway, like I said..ignoring is the key.

His party is a joke:

"At this moment the NVU is a very small party (some dozens of members) and gets support from the ‘Aktiefront Nationale Socialisten (ANS)’, a small organization of activists who support the Islam by trying to connect with Islamic fundamentalists and take part in their demonstrations."

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Oded5hB-hk8

This whole speech gets a big ":rolleyes:" from me.

The leader of the Dutch neo-Nazi party is speaking in Germany. Amongst other things he says the Nazi Empire will come again, and he's also speaking about territorial expansion into Poland (naturally). The police are standing by idly.

So my question is to the Germans here on NationStates. What can and what cannot be said by this guy?

It surprises me that he came back to Germany again, last time he gave a speech in Germany (1st of May) he spoke about a great nation of "white men and white women" and about the Great German Empire.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5N6tUgeRM

He can say basically absolutely everything. The only thing that he's not allowed to do is denying the the Holocaust happened. And even then it's not very likely to result in much of a lawsuit, he'd probably only get a fine, if that.

What he cannot legaly do is use swastikas.

The one thing I find unusual is how pro-German he is..when many Dutch are still very anti-German..or atleast somewhat...meh about the Germans. This guy on the other hand is....well...you can see.


Nah, sorry to rain on your parade there, but the Netherlands were one of the occupied countries with most collaborators per capita. They would like to think now that they've always been anti-German, much like Austria would like to pretend, but it's not even remotely historically accurate.

He can say basically absolutely everything. The only thing that he's not allowed to do is denying the the Holocaust happened. And even then it's not very likely to result in much of a lawsuit, he'd probably only get a fine, if that.

What he cannot legaly do is use swastikas.

Uhh... there was the historian guy who got like, three years. Just a fine my ass.

lol, German censorship, I guess they learnt something from the Nazi's after all.

lol, German censorship, I guess they learnt something from the Nazi's after all.

I love this guy. If they didn't censor Nazi speech, you'd be saying that they're supporting the Nazis.

Uhh... there was the historian guy who got like, three years. Just a fine my ass.

Yep. That guy got a fine. Came back and did the same again. Got a warning. Came back and did the same again. Got a hearing. Came back and did the same again.
And THAT's when he got those 3 years.

I'm assuming the guy in the video doesn't yet have a legal history as holocaust denier.

Nah, sorry to rain on your parade there, but the Netherlands were one of the occupied countries with most collaborators per capita. They would like to think now that they've always been anti-German, much like Austria would like to pretend, but it's not even remotely historically accurate.
While that may be true, even though you have no sources to back that up (not denying it..just saying..you have no sources), it is very common now amongst Dutch to be somewhat "meh" about Germans and Germany. Try telling the Dutch how close their language is to German and even from that, they get all "meh" sometimes.

While that may be true, even though you have no sources to back that up (not denying it..just saying..you have no sources), it is very common now amongst Dutch to be somewhat "meh" about Germans and Germany. Try telling the Dutch how close their language is to German and even from that, they get all "meh" sometimes.

Netherlands

Thousands of Dutch volunteers were soldiers of the 11th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland (created in February 1943). The division participated in fights against Soviet army and was crushed in the Berlin battle in April-May 1945.

SS-Freiwilligen Legion Niederlande, manned by Dutch volunteers, battled against the Soviet army beginning in 1941. In December 1944 it was transformed into the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nederland, and participated in fights in Courland and Pomerania[1]...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-German_cooperation_with_Nazis_during_World_War_II

There ya go. ;)
I never said that the Dutch are particularly proud of this these days, nobody is really. Apart from a few nutcases.
But you get these nutcases everywhere, literally. Did you see the thread about those Nazis in Israel?

Yes, they are a very tiny group. The Extreme right-wing is very divided. The white trash "racist" youth are usually a-political but sometimes they get enrolled in their hateful parades. And of course there is a tiny group of very political guys. Blood & Honor has maybe 200 members in the Netherlands. Two hundred guys willing to use violence are 200 too many, I'd say.

The NVU is crazy, not only are they clearly neo-nazi, they honor Hezbollah and Iran. Meanwhile they'd love to see people from Lebanon and Iran leave the Netherlands. So we have ethnic self-determination, I guess.

His accent, well, that's a Dutchman speaking German :)

The Netherlands was generally pro-German in WWI. Well, the Netherlands just really didn't like England (our competitor on the world's seas). And back then there was still some sympathy for the Afrikaner, who were crushed under British rule.

The Netherlands contributed a fair number of men to the "crusade against Bolshevism". The SS's military branch (Waffen SS) had a Dutch section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlandsche_SS). But those weren't the only volunteers, the Nazis also tried to recruit Dutch for the Navy and Wehrmacht. Then there was the Dutch police, who cooperated quite well with the occupiers.


I don't believe in the big anti-German sentiment in the Netherlands. Of course, there are some jokes and prejudices. It's not a big deal though, at least that's not the way I experience it.

Uhh... there was the historian guy who got like, three years. Just a fine my ass.

That'd be Austria dude, they're different countries...

lol, German censorship, I guess they learnt something from the Nazi's after all.
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Says a fan of the USSR.

Yes, that's right. That which was in Pravda was not even close to the pravda.