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Colts win again, of course.

After two weeks, Peyton Manning still hasn't thrown an interception (yes, I know what you're thinking, but there was blatant DPI on that play).

Uh...he threw one against Tennessee. I wouldn't call 22-20 a resounding victory, either. Still, a win is a win, and my team's Three Stooges backfield have nothing to say.

EDIT: The title made me think of the Houston Oilers -- who the Titans used to be. Fairly similar colors, too. My mistake.

How can he have thrown an interception against Houston when the Colts haven't played Houston yet this season?

Peyton Manning has not thrown a single interception this season.

peyton manning is overrated.

How can he have thrown an interception against Houston when the Colts haven't played Houston yet this season?

Peyton Manning has not thrown a single interception this season.

Post edited -- I confused Tenessee for Houston.

Also, you'll find that Manning is credited (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20070916_IND@TEN) with an interception during that game. Sorry.

Post edited -- I confused Tenessee for Houston.

Also, you'll find that Manning is credited (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20070916_IND@TEN) with an interception during that game. Sorry.

See my original post...he in fact did not throw an interception, regardless of what the official stats say, because there was blatant DPI against Reggie Wayne on that play.

peyton manning is overrated.

Who then, is better than him? (talking about active QBs)

I might not like the guy, but I can't say that he is overrated.

See my original post...he in fact did not throw an interception, regardless of what the official stats say, because there was blatant DPI against Reggie Wayne on that play.

What the hell is "DPI"? I'm a lifelong fan, and I've never heard of a penalty or whatever that is with that initial set referred to by anyone. Is it "defensive pass interference"? 'Cause if it is, please, just "interference" will do. I know who Reggie Wayne is, I'll figure it out.

Once again, we run into what you think and what is recorded as reality. Did Reggie Wayne catch that ball? No. Did the defender, who was not flagged for the infraction, committed though it may have been? Yes.

Hence, that's an interception, and that's what's going in the books. I'm sorry you have this continued problem with accepting the facts, but Peyton's thrown one INT. If we went through and figured out via tape all the INTs that shouldn't have been because of uncalled penalties, overall quarterback ratings would go up. Get over it.

Call me when the Patriots come a knocking, see if your still happy then.

And seriously, the Colts aren't even REALLY the reigning super bowl champs, since super bowl 40 was such an awful game that I've stricken it from the records.

Who then, is better than him? (talking about active QBs)

I might not like the guy, but I can't say that he is overrated.

Tom Brady. he has triple the amount of championships. Hell, Brett Favre is a better QB still.

Uh...he threw one against Tennessee. I wouldn't call 22-20 a resounding victory, either. Still, a win is a win, and my team's Three Stooges backfield have nothing to say.

EDIT: The title made me think of the Houston Oilers -- who the Titans used to be. Fairly similar colors, too. My mistake.
Yeah but the Titans are better than what you give them credit for.

Call me when the Patriots come a knocking, see if your still happy then.

And seriously, the Colts aren't even REALLY the reigning super bowl champs, since super bowl 40 was such an awful game that I've stricken it from the records.

Yes, 40 was bad (see my sig). But 41 was the Colts' win.

Yes, 40 was bad (see my sig). But 41 was the Colts' win.

I apoligize, superbowl 41 was what I meant.

It was probably the worst superbowl I've ever seen. Sure, the first half was pretty exciting to watch, but the actual quality was absolutely horrific.

Manning's a hell of a QB, no doubt. I mean he pretty much revolutionized the way a quarterback plays. Brady's great and more experienced, but he's always had an impressive team to back him up. I still vote Carson Palmer. After weeks 1 and 2, I don't think any team could beat the Bengals if their D plays like they did against Baltimore and the offense plays like they did against the Browns.

Yeah but the Titans are better than what you give them credit for.

Do you even read posts you quote? Where did I take anything away from the Titans? Look, my only reason to post in here was to correct the really awful horseshit Linus & Lucy posted about Manning not having any INTs (and then fucked that up by remembering the Titans as the Houston Oilers, which they were a few years back...the thread title probably had something to do with that error).

The Titans gave Manning and the Colts all they could handle. It was a pretty good game, what I watched of it. Is that better?

Do you even read posts you quote? Where did I take anything away from the Titans? Look, my only reason to post in here was to correct the really awful horseshit Linus & Lucy posted about Manning not having any INTs (and then fucked that up by remembering the Titans as the Houston Oilers, which they were a few years back...the thread title probably had something to do with that error).

The Titans gave Manning and the Colts all they could handle. It was a pretty good game, what I watched of it. Is that better?
Sorry D:. I just read your post differently than you intended it. Dont be an asshole about it.

I apoligize, superbowl 41 was what I meant.

It was probably the worst superbowl I've ever seen. Sure, the first half was pretty exciting to watch, but the actual quality was absolutely horrific.

You never saw the complete dullness of the whippings the AFC took in the 80s and early 90s then. Since the Raiders crushed the Redskins in 1984, a combination of the 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Broncos (the lone AFC exception on this time range), Bears, and Giants, made sure there were a total of only two or three games [SB XXIII, Niners last second drive over the Bengals; XV, Scott Norwood's missed FG; and XXXII, Broncos over the Packers were the only games decided by one digit's worth of points] that were in doubt for more than a few minutes between 1985 and 1999.

There have been many, many worse Super Bowls.

Sorry D:. I just read your post differently than you intended it. Dont be an asshole about it.

Wow. An apology followed by an insult. Well, thank you very much and go fuck yourself, too! :p

You never saw the complete dullness of the whippings the AFC took in the 80s and early 90s then. Since the Raiders crushed the Redskins in 1984, a combination of the 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Broncos (the lone AFC exception on this time range), Bears, and Giants, made sure there were a total of only two or three games [SB XXIII, Niners last second drive over the Bengals; XV, Scott Norwood's missed FG; and XXXII, Broncos over the Packers were the only games decided by one digit's worth of points] that were in doubt for more than a few minutes between 1985 and 1999.

There have been many, many worse Super Bowls.

Yeah, I suppose I've been blessed growing up in the age I did. Still doesn't take away from my absolute hatred of that Forest Gump impersonator.

Of course, it's more of a Red Sox hatred of the Yankee's than what I make it out to be. I still respect the man, I'm just participating in the worlds newest sports rivalry.

I'm much more exited about both the Pack and my Lions being 2-0 so far.

Perhaps hell has frozen over :p

I'm much more exited about both the Pack and my Lions being 2-0 so far.

Perhaps hell has frozen over :p

Well, Kitna's gotta make good his boast, right? I went to the same college he did. Didn't know him. Probably never met him, but I was there when he was there. I hope he can turn the Lions around. Their fans have been suffering longer than my hometown fans.

Well, Kitna's gotta make good his boast, right? I went to the same college he did. Didn't know him. Probably never met him, but I was there when he was there. I hope he can turn the Lions around. Their fans have been suffering longer than my hometown fans.

Well, I'm still waiting for the Lions to blow a game and then drop 14 in a row.

Well, I'm still waiting for the Lions to blow a game and then drop 14 in a row.

I have faith that the Lions will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

See my original post...he in fact did not throw an interception, regardless of what the official stats say, because there was blatant DPI against Reggie Wayne on that play.

Sorry but its on the stats and as it is on the stats, he has a pick. Sorry but you lose.

As to this game, look for upset.

What the hell is "DPI"? I'm a lifelong fan, and I've never heard of a penalty or whatever that is with that initial set referred to by anyone. Is it "defensive pass interference"? 'Cause if it is, please, just "interference" will do. I know who Reggie Wayne is, I'll figure it out.

Defensive Passing Interference.

Call me when the Patriots come a knocking, see if your still happy then.

And seriously, the Colts aren't even REALLY the reigning super bowl champs, since super bowl 40 was such an awful game that I've stricken it from the records.

You mean Super Bowl 41. The Steelers won super bowl 40 :rolleyes:

Sorry but its on the stats and as it is on the stats, he has a pick. Sorry but you lose.
It doesn't matter. The stats are wrong; he did not in fact throw an interception. He has therefore not thrown a single interception all season.

It doesn't matter what the books say; what matters is what actually happened.

It doesn't matter. The stats are wrong; he did not in fact throw an interception. He has therefore not thrown a single interception all season.

It doesn't matter what the books say; what matters is what actually happened.

Sorry but the NFL stat keepers are right and you are the one that is wrong. You are right that what matters is what actually happened and what actually happened was that Manning (Peyton) threw an INT during the Titans game.

Sorry but the NFL stat keepers are right and you are the one that is wrong. You are right that what matters is what actually happened and what actually happened was that Manning (Peyton) threw an INT during the Titans game.

No, he didn't...there was blatant pass interference.

Just because it wasn't called doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It was, in fact, not an interception.

I find your gross inversion of causality disturbing.

No, he didn't...there was blatant pass interference.

Was it or you do not know what the rule states? If both players are going for the ball or the defender is looking back towards the football, there is no passing interference. Please tell me what the defender did that warranted a flag!

Just because it wasn't called doesn't mean it didn't happen.

If it was not called then it did not happen. period.

It was, in fact, not an interception.

I'll go with the officially statician over an armchair fan any day of the week.

I find your gross inversion of causality disturbing.

I find your lack of knowledge of the rules disturbing. But then, you are a die hard fan who thinks his team can do no wrong.

Was it or you do not know what the rule states? If both players are going for the ball or the defender is looking back towards the football, there is no passing interference. Please tell me what the defender did that warranted a flag!

He made contact with the receiver beyond five yards of the line of scrimmage while not attempting to make a play on the ball (the ball hadn't even been released at that point).


If it was not called then it did not happen. period.
Again, I find your gross inversion of causality very disturbing.

He made contact with the receiver beyond five yards of the line of scrimmage while not attempting to make a play on the ball (the ball hadn't even been released at that point).

Then the referee made the right call by not throwing the flag. If the ball had been released, then yes, it would be passing interference. As the ball had not been released yet, there is no passing interference. I can pull the rule for ya if you are having problems with it.

Again, I find your gross inversion of causality very disturbing.

HAHA! I hate to break this to ya buddy but I officiated football.

Please. The Colts barely beat a piece of shit team. I don't think they've covered the spread against the Titans in 3 years. Pretty sad.

I see Linus and Lucy has yet to respond. I guess I can declare victory. It is amazing that so called fans do not know what passing interference is.

I like to thank the NFL for posting the rules on their website. It is my hope that armchair Quarterbacks read them and learn them as I am doing.

No, he didn't...there was blatant pass interference.

Just because it wasn't called doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It was, in fact, not an interception.

I find your gross inversion of causality disturbing.

Excuse me, but did the ball originate from Manning's hand? Yes. Did the intended receiver catch said ball? No. Did the ball touch the ground before being caught by any player who was in bounds and legally able to catch the ball? No. Was the ball caught by any other eligible Colt? No. Was the ball caught by any eligible Titan? Yes. Does "DPI" (:rolleyes:) have anything whatsoever to do with that event, given the fact that whole game of football is governed by rules -- rules that are interpreted and executed by the officials on the field? Not no, but hell no. What you might "wish" to be true isn't true just because you wish it. You fancy yourself some kind of libertarian automaton completely dedicated to black and white. Well, guess what -- the black and whites called no "DPI", so the play was, in fact, in principle, and according to the rules of the game you're TALKING about, an interception.

Unless you're willing to go back and view every single game of every single season (that might be so viewable) and determine which plays do and do not count because a referee -- a human being with all the attendant fallibility -- did not call something, you need to accept the fact that Manning has one INT to his credit in the 2007 season. I don't care if you don't admit it (I don't care about you at all, for that matter), but that's the way it is.

If you persist in saying that "it's not the reality", then the rest of the rules of the game are null and void and NO game matters or ever mattered -- which invalidates Manning's whole career. A penalty not seen can't be called. A penalty seen but not called...can't be called.

I am through even trying to converse with someone who has the reasoning skills of an eleven-year-old. You are free to return to your fantasy.

Tom Brady. he has triple the amount of championships. Hell, Brett Favre is a better QB still.

This is crazy talk. Championships are not and never have been an individual statistic or a reliable measure of how good a quarterback is. To use them as such is to equate Manning's ability with that of Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.

Colts and Texans have nothing to do with Spore.

The Titans are FAR from a piece of shit team...In fact, a week after Super Bowl 41 I picked the Titans to win the Super Bowl and I still believe that this team is going to rise up and suprise everyone.

I'd like to make a barely relevant point here:

Steve Smith is so fucking good.

Colts and Texans have nothing to do with Spore.

Spore? Is that a Cerebus reference?

Spore? Is that a Cerebus reference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_%28video_game%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_%28video_game%29

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

This is crazy talk. Championships are not and never have been an individual statistic or a reliable measure of how good a quarterback is. To use them as such is to equate Manning's ability with that of Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.

You don't win three super bowls, and be the MVP of two of them by being a good quarterback, you have to be great. Anyone can win one, see Dilfer, Johnson and others. Besides Manning is a product of the system. Anyone could put up numbers Manning has in the Colts system. Carson Palmer comes to mind.