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How Liberal(or conservitive) is NSG?We see a good mash-up.Some liberals some conservitive.Although it leans more towards Democrat/liberal than Republican/conservitive.So answer the question comment,bring up issues,etc.

I think it leans left more then anything. Myself I would call myself center-right. I do not belong to any political party and will have voted for Republican, Democrats and independents over my life time. Whomever I think will do the best job.

Its left leaning, but not too much.

There are lots of Europeans here. We reckon freedom means something different from "the freedom to buy things and shoot at things". Hence we're probably classed as the "extreme-left, super liberal" kind of people that are oh so rare in the US.

It's liberal, but there is not a uniform set of beliefs. There are economic liberals, social liberals, moderate liberals, extremist liberals... all over the spectrum of liberalness.

This forum is frustratingly one minded, pure liberal with a few (and I mean few) conservatives who get mocked by the rest.

Looks like it's just over a year old, but:

http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political%20compass1-4.pdf

So, when last measured (that I know of), left and libertarian. The poll lacks a suitable option.

NationStates General? too conservative.
They dont let me post the nikkid pictures of my ex-girlfriends. :-)

Very Liberal

NationStates General? too conservative.
They dont let me post the nikkid pictures of my ex-girlfriends. :-) No such thing, oh wait there are Nazis, the KKK, and dictators.

In our use of maple-syrup. Very Liberal.

your poll sucks. *can't vote, and btw doesn't understand my choices*

VERY VERY Liberal

your poll sucks. *can't vote, and btw doesn't understand my choices*Blame Ruffy, the NSG scapegoat.

Pretty liberal, but its been getting more moderate as it goes on. You can, for instance, actually say that you think that socialized everything isnt a good idea and not be shouted out of a topic now.

For Pete's sake, cut out the American political stuff, liberalism is on the right, not the left.

We're a bunch of Commie-Nazis...hope that helps you :D

How Liberal(or conservitive) is NSG?We see a good mash-up.Some liberals some conservitive.Although it leans more towards Democrat/liberal than Republican/conservitive.So answer the question comment,bring up issues,etc.

NSG leans just a bit to the west of Marks and Lenin. :p

NSG doesn't lean liberal, it just leans either socialist or big-L Libertarian.

I think NSG is only slightly left-

Of Lenin.

Government must govern, just as a governor on a car engine must govern. Else, it is time for a new name and definition of what government is.

I do not believe the "else" condition yet exists, so; should a government be forced to constantly hobble itself in order to accomodate the indulgences of poorly societised, fanatically individual mavericks who exist in a persistent state of cultural anachronism?

Should Italy (until they leave Iraq) keep Iraqi POWs as slaves, purely because slavery was a fundamental tenet of Roman society? No. Times change and so do cultures and so do nations.

Does refusal to bow to those people, who would see a nation never evolve from the status of its founding, constitute "liberalism"? Certainly not. Progressive Conservatism is a far cry from the static, intransigent and romantic devotion to the 19th century and its quaint isolationists.

There is no escaping the entwining of societies. "Multi-culturalism" is an oft-reviled term that vivdly evokes the inevitable result of air travel, exposure and wealth. It is beyond recall. It requires powerful governance skills to integrate this new reality into an old model.

Liberal government is an ideal instrument for the rapid and widespread dissemination of constituents' good will, who would see their greatest good interests served liberally. Of course, if the people's will is non-dissemination, nothing will occur, but then, why have government? Should it exist simply to stamp your licence and leave you the heck alone?

So, to libertarian isolationists, segregationists, fundamentalists, literalists, xenophobes, I say: your world is no longer real. The planet has become too small and aware for your philosophy to survive. You might imagine force of personal arms as a measure of resistance, but that is a romantic dream as well. There are more billions than you have bullets. You will eventually be run off or crowded out - one is already happening and you had better adapt.

Pretty liberal, but its been getting more moderate as it goes on. You can, for instance, actually say that you think that socialized everything isnt a good idea and not be shouted out of a topic now.Since I came in -long long time ago- I have always spoken my mind and they have never shout-ed me out of a topic.

of course.. I am -probably- not your average player

I think NSG is only slightly left-

Of Lenin.

Haha... as someone who actually is to the left of Lenin, I wish it were so.

NSG leans strongly libertarian with a mix of small government socialism and free market capitalism.

Except the handful of Yankservatives, who lean authoritarian and corporate welfare crony capitalism.

Very...

Since I came in -long long time ago- I have always spoken my mind and they have never shout-ed me out of a topic.

of course.. I am -probably- not your average player

Just your average left wing liberal?

I apply liberal coatings of mud. But I conserve tacos. I never waste tacos. *nod*

I find it to have a decent mix of different ideas and viewpoints, although with a slight overall right dominance.

Looks like it's just over a year old, but:

http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political%20compass1-4.pdf

So, when last measured (that I know of), left and libertarian. The poll lacks a suitable option.

Hey, I'm on there! Second closest to the centre, too.

Mostly libertarian, mostly to the left.

But with a fair few authoritarians, both right and left.

*nods*

is anti bush a leaning??

It is interesting to note how the poll exhibits a strong preference for a liberal leaning NSG, though. I think this may be a regional thing. By Australian standards, NSG is quite Right, though I would imagine this would not be the case in comparison to American media standards.

But with a fair few authoritarians, both right and left.


Yeah, I keep running into left-wingers who call me a right-winger (because I like markets and property), and right-wingers who call me a left-winger (because I like workers' self-management).

I'm not sure if I actually believe in anything, or if I just like angering people :D

Panty-waist,
egg-sucking,
whiney,
mewling, mincing,
pathetic

bleeding-heart, la-la-land, fairy-tail LIBERAL!

:fluffle: for every last one of you!

:fluffle: for the Beautiful Stranger, too.

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97
I'd say I'm a moderate.

Very Liberal
Liberal
Sorta Liberal
Standard Democrat
Leaning Democrat
Leaning Republican
Standard Republican
Sorta Conservitive
Conservitive
Very Conservitive

Your provincial (and badly spelled) Colonial points of comparison mean little to a yurpean* like me.

What exactly do you mean by 'liberal'? Are we talking classical political liberalism, that pop-science buzzword that is ringing around the USA right now, or just general left-leaning?



* see how annoying it is?

NSG leans just a bit to the west of Marks and Lenin. :p

I guess that would make Marks & Spencer the place you go to shop for all your Social-Darwinist Communism needs.

Unfortunately, I cannot answer the poll because it has no "none of the above" option.

NSG is so far left that I'm a Conservative, by it's standards..

Looks like it's just over a year old, but:

http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political%20compass1-4.pdf


I'm not on there! :eek:

Last time I took it, I was:

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

For Pete's sake, cut out the American political stuff, liberalism is on the right, not the left.

Indeed. To a great many of us, at least.

In Europe, "liberal" means right-wing (in the economic sense). In Australia, "liberal" and "conservative" are synonymous: the Liberal Party is also called the Conservative Party.

American politics are restricted to a very small area on the right of the political spectrum.

I can't answer this poll. I'm not Conservative, but since Liberal means right-wing, I'm not Liberal either.

My profile was:

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.44

Which is so far from the conventional "liberal" that it's out of the park—even by American standards, where "liberal" seems to have largely been emptied of meaning and is now used by the right-wing as a vague form of abuse.

Liberals, liberals, how we all love them.
Fuzzy and warm, halos above them.
Handling an issue they are quite deft
Their compass is sure: go to the left!

(Chorus)
Go left! Go left!
Your future is there.
Go left! Go left!
It's better than here.
Go left! Go left!
That's how to steer.

They can easily spend your taxes,
It's what Marx would call "praxis"
There's nothing so odd or obscure
That a liberal committee can't cure!

Politics, it's an intractable mess,
A cheatin' game of blindfold chess
Liberals, though, choose for the best,
Up, down, they can always go left!

(Chorus)

A Liberal donkey still has two legs,
Runs at a gallop, using two pegs.
It wasn't an accident, it was a dare:
One right one was as bad as a pair.

(Chorus)

It is extremely liberal. In fact, We are mainly constituted by classical liberals or modern definition liberals. I also think that the political compass is a much better indicator than classic left-right definition, because there are way too many ways to view politics.

libertarian isolationists
If by 'libertarian Isolationist' you mean 'person who doesn't interact with anyone, you are wrong. But if you mean that I don't go sticking my ass where I don't belong, then yes, I am a Libertarian Isolationist.

This poll is very Americanised. I would say NSG is mostly socialist. It is 'liberal' in a socio-liberal sense, but not in 'liberal's other meanings.

Funny thing about liberals - most people don't like being called that.

How Liberal(or conservitive) is NSG?We see a good mash-up.Some liberals some conservitive.Although it leans more towards Democrat/liberal than Republican/conservitive.So answer the question comment,bring up issues,etc.

Lef-leaning, maybe a small bit of socialist for me. But I'll vote for whoever seems like the best candidate.

Looks like it's just over a year old, but:

http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political%20compass1-4.pdf

So, when last measured (that I know of), left and libertarian. The poll lacks a suitable option.

Who's up for running another of these sometime? We could even see how people had changed.

Pretty liberal, but its been getting more moderate as it goes on. You can, for instance, actually say that you think that socialized everything isnt a good idea and not be shouted out of a topic now.

That's because a lot of the young socialists who started out on this board are getting older and learning through experience that socialism/communism don't work.

Very left socially, economically... well a large portion supports democratic socialism and a large portion supports just a generally big (boring) government. There is a smaller portion of people who support a center right style of economy and an even smaller portion who both equally support anarchy/communism or libertarian/small government.

IMS polls have generally shown that there are more liberals here than conservatives. Thus NSG is liberal. Simple.

There are lots of Europeans here. We reckon freedom means something different from "the freedom to buy things and shoot at things". Hence we're probably classed as the "extreme-left, super liberal" kind of people that are oh so rare in the US.

Worthy of Blackadder if I may say so.:D

I would imagine it is socially left wing and economically somewhere just left of centre, to the extent a fairly typical Tory such as myself is seen as anything other than right wing.

* see how annoying it is?

Yes,I do see how annoying your immaturity is.

Funny thing about liberals - most people don't like being called that.the point the non-US posters are trying to make.. is NOT "Dont call me a Liberal"..

its more like "WTF, in many countries of the World.. Liberal does not mean Left wing"

the point the non-US posters are trying to make.. is NOT "Dont call me a Liberal"..

its more like "WTF, in many countries of the World.. Liberal does not mean Left wing"

Funny how that works. :rolleyes:

OK wtf "The horror channel" is being marked as voting like 8 times for "Very liberal"

OK wtf "The horror channel" is being marked as voting like 8 times for "Very liberal"wtf indeed.. now he is at 11 times

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There are lots of Europeans here. We reckon freedom means something different from "the freedom to buy things and shoot at things". Hence we're probably classed as the "extreme-left, super liberal" kind of people that are oh so rare in the US.

Don't generalize about the U.S. I'm from America and I'm a Democratic Socialist. There are plenty of liberals in America. Just because our current president is conservative doesn't mean that the vast majority of Americans are. Frankly, Bush didn't even win the 2000 election fairly. There were a large number of votes in Florida that just weren't counted, and there were huge errors in the database of convicted felons. Many non-felons (the majority African American, most of whom historically have voted democrat) were denied their right to vote because the database said they were felons.
Most Americans don't think of all Europeans as "extreme-left, super liberal", and many do want to further regulate corporations and gun laws.

What you're saying is just false, and it's an insult to many Americans

"Patriotism is standing by your country all the time and your government when it deserves it."
- Mark Twain

That's because a lot of the young socialists who started out on this board are getting older and learning through experience that socialism/communism don't work.

As people get older they tend to earn more - and therefore pay more tax. It is my observation that the more earned income tax one pays the more likely they are to be fiscally conservative. The more their income is from earnings (as opposed to government or private benefits, dividends, cap gains, interest, etc.) the more likely they are to fall in line with this.

In other words - fiscal liberals love spending other people's money - but as soon as it starts to become their own blood sweat and tears they quickly change their tune.

In other words - fiscal liberals love spending other people's money - but as soon as it starts to become their own blood sweat and tears they quickly change their tune.

So not content with mangling the use of liberal to mean centre-left or democratic-socialist, you want to redefine economic liberalism?

For Pete's sake, cut out the American political stuff, liberalism is on the right, not the left.
The phrase "left-wing" to denote liberals and "right-wing" to denote conservatives does not come from America.

pretty damn liberal, though not as much as it used to be. I remember a time where it seemed 70%+ were hardcore communists.

Well, considering that 90 percent of people on here hate America and think it is the great Satan, yeah, I'd say this place is a liberal hideout.

I wish the poll didn't just have liberal and conservative, like so many other people here, we aren't all defined by American political terms, despite me being an American my self. I think my political compass would deffinently describe me.

Political compass score:
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90

Like almost everyone else here but since I live in America, i'm an anomly.:p

Well, considering that 90 percent of people on here hate America and think it is the great Satan, yeah, I'd say this place is a liberal hideout.

Meanwhile:
Lame Bums

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Red America
Posts: 666

Speaking of the Great Satan.... ;)

Meanwhile:
Lame Bums

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Red America
Posts: 666

Speaking of the Great Satan.... ;)

No! It cannot be! The Rapture has happened! I am still here! I must be in Hell! This is Hell, isn't it? Noooo.....

:p

Well, considering that 90 percent of people on here hate America and think it is the great Satan, yeah, I'd say this place is a liberal hideout.

I think Washington is the great Satan. America's great, at least from what I've seen in New York and Philly. [/Massachusetts resident]

Don't generalize about the U.S. I'm from America and I'm a Democratic Socialist. There are plenty of liberals in America. Just because our current president is conservative doesn't mean that the vast majority of Americans are.

No it doesn't. However, the fact that your "left-wing" party is right-wing by European standards and your right-wing party is just.... scary, would indicate that you are a right-wing/conservative country. Not that there are not exception, that is just the generalisation.