NationStates Jolt Archive

What bothers you when you're driving?

My top list of pet peeves would be this:

Tailgating, seriously, get off my ass. There is no reason for you to be a foot off my bumper. Do you really want to be paying to replace it?

Changing lanes without signaling. How hard is it to use the turn signal. If you use it I might not be an asshole and actually let you in.

Eating when driving. Cell phones don't bother me as much as you can use speaker, bluetooth, or other hands free devices. Eating though just really irks me.

What bothers you when you're driving?

My top list of pet peeves would be this:

Tailgating, seriously, get off my ass. There is no reason for you to be a foot off my bumper. Do you really want to be paying to replace it?

Changing lanes without signaling. How hard is it to use the turn signal. If you use it I might not be an asshole and actually let you in.

Eating when driving. Cell phones don't bother me as much as you can use speaker, bluetooth, or other hands free devices. Eating though just really irks me.

Pretty good list. I can't stand tail-gating. If it was legal I'd have spikes on my rear bumper. Sometimes I brake real quick before accelerating just to scare them enough to get the fuck off my ass.

The signal-less lane changing pisses me off, too. I mean, come on, it just takes a tiny movement to not be an asshole. Those who don't signal also often cut me off, another pet peeve.

I don't like people who go slow in the fast lane, either. That's annoying. If you're driving 15 under the speed limit when road conditions are just dandy, you probably fit into the group called "slow traffic," you know, the one that's supposed to "keep right."

Good thread.

Eating when driving. Cell phones don't bother me as much as you can use speaker, bluetooth, or other hands free devices. Eating though just really irks me.Supposedly (this is according to the discovery channel is it may be at a lack of truthiness), hands free phones are worse than the hands on kind. Why? Because it is not the fact that you have to hold the phone is the problem, it is the fact that you have to focus on the the conversation instead of driving. People think that since they are using a hands free phone, they are no longer a risk and get careless.

Passengers are thought to be fine as they are able to see what is going on and can shut up when they need to.

Supposedly (this is according to the discovery channel is it may be at a lack of truthiness), hands free phones are worse than the hands on kind. Why? Because it is not the fact that you have to hold the phone is the problem, it is the fact that you have to focus on the the conversation instead of driving. People think that since they are using a hands free phone, they are no longer a risk and get careless.

Passengers are thought to be fine as they are able to see what is going on and can shut up when they need to.

And can go "um... look out for that dude...."

Edit: You know, that thing from that song in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. "It's a jump to the left!"

Just other drivers in general.

The thing that always annoys me is people who come up to a junction ahead with loads of room to pull out, sit there watching you, and watching you, and watching you, and then finally go when you're so close that you have to brake to not hit them any more. They usually then plod along at about 20 mph.

Middle lane hoggers are so dangerous. Oh, and people who take it on themselves to police speed limits by sitting in the right hand lane of the motorway at 68 mph.

Oh, and people who take it on themselves to police speed limits by sitting in the right hand lane of the motorway at 68 mph.

LOL, Britain... Took me a while to remember that you drive on the wrong side ;)

Slow persons making right turns into anywhere.

As well as everything already mentioned:

People who break for corners when their doing 30 and you get round the corner at more then double that.

Those strange types who seem go at a constent speed (normally around 40-45mph) regardless of the actual speed limit, i just can't work out why you do that. (altough they are less annoying then the ones who do just 30 the whole time)

The morons who, when I am doing the limit in the slow lane and there are two free lanes to the left, insist on sitting on my bumper. Really. I'm in the slow lane because I don't want to go any faster than 65 -- the middle and fast lane are open -- move the fuck over.

people who don't use their turn signals

people who tailgate me in school zones, seriously, I am not speeding up for you.

people who tailgate me anywhere else, seriously, I am not speeding up for you, go around.

people who don't understand merging, if I need to merge then you need to maintain a constant speed, don't slow down and try to let me in, don't speed up and try to get ahead of me, just freaking drive and let me figure it out. (this also annoys me when I am behind an idiot who slows down to try to let someone merge)

people who don't understand merging (again), an on ramp is time to speed up to the flow of traffic, you do this, you pay attention on your way up and you merge, you do not stop at the end of the on ramp and look for an opening.......

people who speed through residential areas where kids play

people who honk for non emergency reasons, particularly people who lay on their horn in someone's driveway at 3am

people who turn around in my driveway (I live on a dead end) and aren't courteous enough to turn off their headlights at 3am while they do it.

people who rubberneck

people who don't look behind them while backing

people who don't check their blind spot while changing lanes

people who don't properly secure their children/pets while driving

people who talk on their cell while driving instead of paying attention

people who weave in and out of traffic dangerously only to get stopped at the light and then flip me off because I got there first safely and following the road rules

people who turn out in front of me causing me to brake when there are no cars behind me, seriously people wait for 1 more car then turn

people who ....... well I have to draw a diagram, I will post in a minute.

and

people who turn into the wrong lane.


I have been told I have road rage.

people who don't use their turn signals

people who tailgate me in school zones, seriously, I am not speeding up for you.

people who tailgate me anywhere else, seriously, I am not speeding up for you, go around.

people who don't understand merging, if I need to merge then you need to maintain a constant speed, don't slow down and try to let me in, don't speed up and try to get ahead of me, just freaking drive and let me figure it out. (this also annoys me when I am behind an idiot who slows down to try to let someone merge)

people who don't understand merging (again), an on ramp is time to speed up to the flow of traffic, you do this, you pay attention on your way up and you merge, you do not stop at the end of the on ramp and look for an opening.......

people who speed through residential areas where kids play

people who honk for non emergency reasons, particularly people who lay on their horn in someone's driveway at 3am

people who turn around in my driveway (I live on a dead end) and aren't courteous enough to turn off their headlights at 3am while they do it.

people who rubberneck

people who don't look behind them while backing

people who don't check their blind spot while changing lanes

people who don't properly secure their children/pets while driving

people who talk on their cell while driving instead of paying attention

people who weave in and out of traffic dangerously only to get stopped at the light and then flip me off because I got there first safely and following the road rules

people who turn out in front of me causing me to brake when there are no cars behind me, seriously people wait for 1 more car then turn

people who ....... well I have to draw a diagram, I will post in a minute.

and

people who turn into the wrong lane.


I have been told I have road rage.Note to self: Never drive in OK. You might be assaulted by Smunkee.

Note to self: Never drive in OK. You might be assaulted by Smunkee.

I am a very defensive driver, and aggressive or idiotic drivers piss me off. My kids are in my car, and people go around driving like it doesn't matter. I have been in 3 car accidents this year, where my children were in the car and could have been seriously injured (had I not made amends to lessen the impact) because idiots can't figure out how to drive.

Most recently a stupid bitch in a BMW decides to turn very wide and into the wrong lane and hit my mother's car at 30 mph, and then attempted to drive off. I am still fighting with her over my $4,500 emergency room bill and subsequent visits to 5 doctors, btw, she was uninsured. I also do not like people who can't get it together to get basic liability insurance.

The morons who, when I am doing the limit in the slow lane and there are two free lanes to the left, insist on sitting on my bumper. Really. I'm in the slow lane because I don't want to go any faster than 65 -- the middle and fast lane are open -- move the fuck over.

Yeah, tell me about it. Same thing happens to me all the time, especially because I stick to the speed limit without question or exception.

Some guy who was doing that the other day nearly ran me off the road too, and I was taking my sister's friend home. That would have been a really bad thing to have to explain, if she had been injured.

The morons who, when I am doing the limit in the slow lane and there are two free lanes to the left, insist on sitting on my bumper. Really. I'm in the slow lane because I don't want to go any faster than 65 -- the middle and fast lane are open -- move the fuck over.

Yeah, tell me about it. Same thing happens to me all the time, especially because I stick to the speed limit without question or exception.

Some guy who was doing that the other day nearly ran me off the road too, and I was taking my sister's friend home. That would have been a really bad thing to have to explain, if she had been injured.

-People that go the speed limit. Come on now, rules are meant to be broken!
-People that complain and/or tap their brakes when I am tailgating.
- Stop lights/signs. They slow me down.
- People blasting music while next to me at a red light. I'm the only one allowed to be blasting my music, damn it.
-Fog(I know, not a pet peeve). It pisses me off when I am out on a road, all alone at night, and I have to go 35, because of the fog being so thick.:upyours:
- Old ladies. They should be off watching Matlock, not driving around town.
-High School kids on lunch break. They can go bugger off, the little bastards. The pack their cars full, have pop/rap music real loud, swerve all over the road, don't use signal when changing lanes, and are too damn happy.
-Wisconsin/Indiana/Missouri Drivers. I don't even think I need to go into that one. ;)

-People that go the speed limit. Come on now, rules are meant to be broken!
-People that complain and/or tap their brakes when I am tailgating.


Please do the math, Zilam. Speeding saves, at most--on most trips, which are short--a few minutes. If you're in that big of a hurry, try leaving a few minutes earlier.

Also, I am now forced to be pissed off at you for being a tailgater. :mad:

Please do the math, Zilam. Speeding saves, at most--on most trips, which are short--a few minutes. If you're in that big of a hurry, try leaving a few minutes earlier.

Also, I am now forced to be pissed off at you for being a tailgater. :mad:

Actually I was kidding about those first two, especially the tail gating. I saw how it bothered some people, so I tried to make a funny. It didn't work obviously. :p

Actually I was kidding about those first two, especially the tail gating. I saw how it bothered some people, so I tried to make a funny. It didn't work obviously. :p

No, it didn't. Sorry about that...I'm just really, really irritated by tailgaters.

People driving 5 miles below the speed limit.
People stopping a full car length behind some one at a stop light.
People driving 5 feet behind me at 75 mph. (There is no REAL traffic in this state so there is no excuse at all.)
People driving 5 feet behind me at 75 mph then stopping a full car length behind some one at a stop light.
Ricers.

People who block intersections while sitting at a stop light over a block away. I'm going forward when it turns green. I recommend you not be there at that time.


Kinda funny to see the look of horror.

I am a very defensive driver, and aggressive or idiotic drivers piss me off. My kids are in my car, and people go around driving like it doesn't matter. I have been in 3 car accidents this year, where my children were in the car and could have been seriously injured (had I not made amends to lessen the impact) because idiots can't figure out how to drive.

Most recently a stupid bitch in a BMW decides to turn very wide and into the wrong lane and hit my mother's car at 30 mph, and then attempted to drive off. I am still fighting with her over my $4,500 emergency room bill and subsequent visits to 5 doctors, btw, she was uninsured. I also do not like people who can't get it together to get basic liability insurance.I don't turn my lights off in people's driveways, and I follow closely (as I slowly speed up until I really notice how fast I am going, and I cannot do this when I am behind someone). I back off once I realize I am doing it, but I does happen.

Also, here I think you can go to jail for driving without insurance. I know you lose your license for a few years, possibly life, but I am not 100% about the no insurance thing. It also varies by the province.

Yeah, tell me about it. Same thing happens to me all the time, especially because I stick to the speed limit without question or exception.

Some guy who was doing that the other day nearly ran me off the road too, and I was taking my sister's friend home. That would have been a really bad thing to have to explain, if she had been injured.
In those cases, I would slowly slow down. If you are not comfortable with how close the person behind you is, slow down until you are. It also tends to annoy them into passing you.

I take the back roads just about everywhere I go, and almost every day I get stuck behind some old lady who is doing 40 in a 55 zone. And, of course, opposing traffic and hills are timed just perfectly so that I can't pass her for at least 10 miles.

I also hate when people slow down to 2MPH when turning right. You're not going to roll your car doing 15 or 20!

-People that go the speed limit. Come on now, rules are meant to be broken!
-People that complain and/or tap their brakes when I am tailgating.
- Stop lights/signs. They slow me down.
- People blasting music while next to me at a red light. I'm the only one allowed to be blasting my music, damn it.
-Fog(I know, not a pet peeve). It pisses me off when I am out on a road, all alone at night, and I have to go 35, because of the fog being so thick.:upyours:
- Old ladies. They should be off watching Matlock, not driving around town.
-High School kids on lunch break. They can go bugger off, the little bastards. The pack their cars full, have pop/rap music real loud, swerve all over the road, don't use signal when changing lanes, and are too damn happy.
-Wisconsin/Indiana/Missouri Drivers. I don't even think I need to go into that one. ;)

I loled.

People driving 5 miles below the speed limit.
People stopping a full car length behind some one at a stop light.
People driving 5 feet behind me at 75 mph. (There is no REAL traffic in this state so there is no excuse at all.)
People driving 5 feet behind me at 75 mph then stopping a full car length behind some one at a stop light.
Ricers.
That reminds me of one:

People who stop a full car length behind the stop line at a light. The light will not change until your vehicle is on the censor. There is usually someone on the one in the next lane, but it still makes us wait longer as the signal thinks we have only one or two cars.

I am back with my diagrams.....

first, about people turning into the wrong lane, I hate them and here is a diagram of turning into the wrong lane.........


the blue is how you are supposed to do it, you are supposed to turn into the lane you are coming from, the red is what people do here, and it's how I got into my last 2 car accidents, and it's why my neck and back still hurt

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/Smunkee/wronglane.jpg

the second is how people cross lanes of traffic to get from a parking lot on one side of the road to another........they never get into a lane, they just drive straight (not straight) across the street when it's not even an intersection and about 90% of the time they pull out in front of me and make me slam on my breaks and nearly hit them........

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/Smunkee/parkinglots.jpg

pardon the paintbrush quality (or lack thereof)

I am back with my diagrams.....

first, about people turning into the wrong lane, I hate them and here is a diagram of turning into the wrong lane.........


the blue is how you are supposed to do it, you are supposed to turn into the lane you are coming from, the red is what people do here, and it's how I got into my last 2 car accidents, and it's why my neck and back still hurt

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/Smunkee/wronglane.jpg

the second is how people cross lanes of traffic to get from a parking lot on one side of the road to another........they never get into a lane, they just drive straight (not straight) across the street when it's not even an intersection and about 90% of the time they pull out in front of me and make me slam on my breaks and nearly hit them........

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/Smunkee/parkinglots.jpg

pardon the paintbrush quality (or lack thereof)I do the first. But I have a good excuse: I need to get into a right turn lane that starts about 15 feet (literally) after the intersection(note picture). But up here, you are not allowed to do a right hand turn when traffic is turning left into the way you want to go. More now, turning lanes are becoming two and three lanes wide, but this one is still one. I'd expect an upgrade soon. Traffic from the turning lane spills into the highway, and we have a bridge coming soon.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3025/wronglanecb1.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wronglanecb1.jpg)

I do the first. But I have a good excuse: I need to get into a right turn lane that starts about 15 feet (literally) after the intersection(note picture). But up here, you are not allowed to do a right hand turn when traffic is turning left into the way you want to go. More now, turning lanes are becoming two and three lanes wide, but this one is still one. I'd expect an upgrade soon. Traffic from the turning lane spills into the highway, and we have a bridge coming soon.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3025/wronglanecb1.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wronglanecb1.jpg)

once we were both turning left, and she came way way onto my side of the intersection to turn into the wrong lane, and then hit me, the other time I was driving and had the right of way and she had a stop sign and turned left into my lane instead of the center lane, if she would have turned into the center lane like she was supposed to, it wouldn't have mattered that I was there.

I'm just learning to drive (so I'm probably half the world's pet peeve) but when I'm not sure how long it takes to get across an intersection, so I pause for a little while longer, and then they try to pull around me, into the intersection. Then because I started to go right before they pull around, they honk at me.

Also... this isn't drivers, but highway designers, who thought it would be a good idea to have an exit that, in order to get to it, you have to merge across two lanes of I-90, but the lane that you merged into in order to get across I-90 just merged back a little ways. Yeah. That kind of scares me.

once we were both turning left, and she came way way onto my side of the intersection to turn into the wrong lane, and then hit me, the other time I was driving and had the right of way and she had a stop sign and turned left into my lane instead of the center lane, if she would have turned into the center lane like she was supposed to, it wouldn't have mattered that I was there.
Here they cannot have both sides go at the same time as most as the software expects there to be multiple turning lanes.

The second one shouldn't have been turning in the first place. She should have waited until you had cleared the intersection, since she had a stop sign.

Either way, both are fucking morons.

-People that go the speed limit. Come on now, rules are meant to be broken!
-People that complain and/or tap their brakes when I am tailgating.
- Stop lights/signs. They slow me down.
- People blasting music while next to me at a red light. I'm the only one allowed to be blasting my music, damn it.
-Fog(I know, not a pet peeve). It pisses me off when I am out on a road, all alone at night, and I have to go 35, because of the fog being so thick.:upyours:
- Old ladies. They should be off watching Matlock, not driving around town.
-High School kids on lunch break. They can go bugger off, the little bastards. The pack their cars full, have pop/rap music real loud, swerve all over the road, don't use signal when changing lanes, and are too damn happy.
-Wisconsin/Indiana/Missouri Drivers. I don't even think I need to go into that one. ;)

ROFL

For me it's people on their mobile phones - there's talks of up to 2 years in prison for this for the UK. We'll see if it happens.

People who say that the legal driving age should be raised. dammit, I've got 343 more days till I can get mah license, stop trying to add time!

this may be a rural thing, but has anyone else noticed that there is some asshole in a big friggin' truck riding your ass? seriousley, more than half the people out here are commuters, what the hell do they need a goddamn truck for? does it give them somekind of white collar street cred? "Hey, man check out the bitchin' truck I got with the power I never need and a back end I only use to drive around my imbred labrador around in" Fuck you! if I got out of my sedan to yell at every dumb shit pick up driver, nine time out of ten I'm bigger than them. go home you preppy bastard.

People who say that the legal driving age should be raised. dammit, I've got 343 more days till I can get mah license, stop trying to add time!

Yeah. I feel kind of bad for the people around here getting their permits after September 1. But yeah... I don't actually have my license yet, still just a permit... but it's so silly how many stages there are to get a license already...

Besides, it doesn't mean people can automatically know how to drive at that age, people need the experience, and the only way to get the experience of driving is to drive...

Yeah. I feel kind of bad for the people around here getting their permits after September 1. But yeah... I don't actually have my license yet, still just a permit... but it's so silly how many stages there are to get a license already...

Besides, it doesn't mean people can automatically know how to drive at that age, people need the experience, and the only way to get the experience of driving is to drive...

I barely skated out of that graduated licensing crap when my state started it back in 1999.

The morons who, when I am doing the limit in the slow lane and there are two free lanes to the left, insist on sitting on my bumper. Really. I'm in the slow lane because I don't want to go any faster than 65 -- the middle and fast lane are open -- move the fuck over.

Oh man does this bug me. In my 67 VW Bus, I ride the slow lane. It can go the speed limit and sometimes with a good tail wind a little above, so there I sit, steadily moving along.

It's a fucking VW Bus, you all know them-they aren't getting any faster. Riding my ass isn't going to magically make it any more powerful. Fucking go around, that's what those other lanes are for, jackasses. And don't give me any crap, I'm going at least 10 miles an hour faster than the big trucks, I'm not the slowest thing on the road, I'm just not doing 80. Fucking get a grip.

Also, formation fliers. Those jackasses that sit just off your side in the next lane just behind you riding at the same speed. I hate this for two reasons. First, why in the fuck would you ride in someone's blind spot? Moron. Second, if you're going to travel at the exact same speed as me then tuck in and open that lane up for others who might want to go faster.

Going back to my Bus (but this happens in the Vanagon as well), my turn signal means I have to get over, I don't do it frivolously, I need to get over. It does not mean "Hurry up, he's trying to get ahead of me!!!" Especially when you are a formation flier and pull this bullshit.

To add to the people mentioning merging-ZIPPER!!! Fucking learn it! One and one, like a fucking zipper, requires minimal adjustment, traffic flows into traffic, and we won't have those huge fucking backups all the fucking time because baby just needs to be one car ahead. I have taken to enforcing this, I should put a sticker of a zipper on the window...

- People who fail to signal when changing lanes.
- People who fail to check their blind spot before changing lanes. I nearly got squished this way about a month ago when some jackass in a Hummer decided he wanted to be where my car already was. (Thank goodness the person in the next lane was paying attention and let me in when I had to swerve out of Mr. Too-Stupid-to-Look's way.)
- People who refuse to let you change lanes because it is vitally important that their car be in front of yours. I sometimes wonder if there's some sort of secret highway race that many drivers are competing in.
- In the same vein, people who speed up to keep you from merging onto a highway in front of them. You know, it's called an acceleration lane, not a stop-at-the-end-and-wait-for-someone-who's-not-an-idiot-to-let-me-in lane.
- People who totally ignore the speed limit, in either direction. If the speed limit is 65 mph, you should be going at some speed in the general vicinity of 65 mph, not 95 mph or 35 mph.
- People who smugly drive well under the speed limit in the left lane or well over it in the right.
- People who honk about things beyond others' control. I do not need you honking at me because the light is red. I know the light is red, and I'm not going to run it just because you are loud and annoying.
- Rubberneckers, especially rubberneckers who stare at stupid shit. I can be a little forgiving if there's something profoundly exciting going on on the side of the road - say, Godzilla destroying the city. I might even look at that myself. But when you make me 45 minutes late because you had to stare at a guy changing a flat tire on his truck, you are a moron.

Oh man does this bug me. In my 67 VW Bus, I ride the slow lane. It can go the speed limit and sometimes with a good tail wind a little above, so there I sit, steadily moving along.

It's a fucking VW Bus, you all know them-they aren't getting any faster. Riding my ass isn't going to magically make it any more powerful. Fucking go around, that's what those other lanes are for, jackasses. And don't give me any crap, I'm going at least 10 miles an hour faster than the big trucks, I'm not the slowest thing on the road, I'm just not doing 80. Fucking get a grip.

Also, formation fliers. Those jackasses that sit just off your side in the next lane just behind you riding at the same speed. I hate this for two reasons. First, why in the fuck would you ride in someone's blind spot? Moron. Second, if you're going to travel at the exact same speed as me then tuck in and open that lane up for others who might want to go faster.

Going back to my Bus (but this happens in the Vanagon as well), my turn signal means I have to get over, I don't do it frivolously, I need to get over. It does not mean "Hurry up, he's trying to get ahead of me!!!" Especially when you are a formation flier and pull this bullshit.

To add to the people mentioning merging-ZIPPER!!! Fucking learn it! One and one, like a fucking zipper, requires minimal adjustment, traffic flows into traffic, and we won't have those huge fucking backups all the fucking time because baby just needs to be one car ahead. I have taken to enforcing this, I should put a sticker of a zipper on the window...

darn skippy, I hate people who can't merge and also people who loiter in my blind spot......freaking idiots.

There is possibly a reason though why hubby doesn't let me drive when we are together, I doubt it has to do with my driving skills.

God, that reminds me! Horns! I think that they should be taken away from people until they learn to use them responsibly. Dammit. I can't remember the time I've heard a horn used properly instead of to announce what an asswipe the honker is.

God, that reminds me! Horns! I think that they should be taken away from people until they learn to use them responsibly. Dammit. I can't remember the time I've heard a horn used properly instead of to announce what an asswipe the honker is.

yes, that was on my list, horns are for "you are changing lanes into me!" not for "fuck you"

darn skippy, I hate people who can't merge and also people who loiter in my blind spot......freaking idiots.

There is possibly a reason though why hubby doesn't let me drive when we are together, I doubt it has to do with my driving skills.

I always go through these cycles with new girlfriends where they want me to drive and then suddenly they don't...hehe...(I think that has more to do with the lead foot, which is now mitigated by slow slow vans...)

Forgot one last one, tourists. And now I got to jump into the work van and wade knee deep in them to get to my gig...bah!!! Right through the Embarcadaro, a street designed to befuddle tourists.

Also, formation fliers. Those jackasses that sit just off your side in the next lane just behind you riding at the same speed. I hate this for two reasons. First, why in the fuck would you ride in someone's blind spot? Moron. Second, if you're going to travel at the exact same speed as me then tuck in and open that lane up for others who might want to go faster.

I forgot that one. If you think I am/some one else is going too god damn slow, why do you pull into the next lane then go the same fucking speed? Fucking douchebags.

People who are turning left and turn into the left-turn lane in the middle of the road to avoid oncomning traffic, then honk at me because I didn't let them in.

Kids who seem to think that a minivan can stop on a dime and hurl themselves out into the street right in front of me.

Idiot drivers in general.

People who:
Drive in the left hand lane on the interstate forcing people to pass them on the right.
Think "right on red" means pull out in front of traffic whenever they feel like it.
Drive trucks and have objects such as gravel or cinders spilling out the back damaging vehicles.
Won't pull into another lane for stopped emergency vehicles on the interstate.
Won't stop or pull out of the way for emergency vehicles on roads other than the interstate.
Run red lights, making me wait.
Block intersections so that when the light changes the traffic at a rt angle to them can't move either.
Stop upon entering the interstate. I wouldn't move to Pennsylvania 'cause they actually have stop signs on the interstate accesses. This is INSANE!

Just two things:

People who go exactly at or below the speed limit. Especially when it is because they can't be bothered to shift when going up a hill.

People with automatics who crawl forward at walking speed during traffic jams, apparently not realising that my car has a heavy clutch and a first gear that just isn't comfortable at those sorts of speeds. I mean, wouldn't they notice a Renault bouncing around behind them like it's driven by a first-timer?

When someone changes my music.

Just other drivers in general.

The thing that always annoys me is people who come up to a junction ahead with loads of room to pull out, sit there watching you, and watching you, and watching you, and then finally go when you're so close that you have to brake to not hit them any more. They usually then plod along at about 20 mph.

Middle lane hoggers are so dangerous. Oh, and people who take it on themselves to police speed limits by sitting in the right hand lane of the motorway at 68 mph.


Go in the middle lane and overtake them then:D

My list; - man in Mercedes syndrome. I don't give a flying fuck how much your Mercedes cost, I'm not moving/giving way/letting you overtake.
- middle lane sitters. Unbelievably dangerous.
- people who drive at 29 or 30 in a 30. There really is no point on small backroads and the like, where nobody cares enough to install cash machines.
- elderly drivers. Something of a generalisation, perhaps, but valid. They are either ponderously slow to the point of being dangerous, or aggressive in the self-absorbed manner only the old git can be.

When someone changes my music.

I drove my mom's van for several months because my car needed a part I couldn't afford. The thing that drove me most nuts was that I couldn't cnge the radio presets, and she listens to channels I don't like. I kept having to change the stations manually to get NPR. One of the greatest joys of having my buick back is that I can set my own channels again! (and the radio controls are on the steering wheel!)

People who don't understand that when you drive in a new location, you need to match their standards, not the other way around. If you are driving in Boston, you need to understand that yes, I will "cut you off". It isn't cutting off here...it's just how the roads work here. After a red light, 3 or 4 cars will still be going through.
When you are driving in CT, don't go 70 in the fast lane...the rest of us are going 80-85, and you are a hazard. Move to the median.

People who feel the need to adjust their driving around me...similar to Smunkee's merging pet peeve. I know what I'm doing. I understand exactly what my car can and cannot do. You slowing down or speeding up is not only not going to change what I'm doing, but will make it more dangerous.


Also, people who don't take their right-of-way. If we both get to the stop sign at the same time, and you are to my right, don't wave me on. Just drive.

People who wave at me or honk as I go past. Seriously, my road rage is bad enough...don't egg it on.

Assholes who honk at me when I'm yielding to the people going straight before I turn.

Tailgaters.

Maniacs who careen past me on double yellow lines at 15 miles over the speed limit AT NIGHT.

Morons who drive in my blind spot.

Campus police who are more interested in writing tickets than in catching REAL criminals, like the guys here who held up several students with a shotgun and haven't been caught, or the pervert who sexually assaulted a girl in the ΣΣΣ house.

When people you're giving a ride claim to have the "right to the radio" and people in your car who try to argue with you. Leave me alone, I'm giving you the ride so you need to stfu.

Super sexist comment:

women drivers

but seriously I hate when people ride your ass and don't pay attention. For example, taking an exit by cutting across 3 lanes of traffic and nearly taking my front bumper with them.

People who do the speed limit and line hug.. You're in Ontario, speed limits are recommended minimums, don't sit in front of me doing 5 under and line hugging when everyone else is doing 20 over.

People who tailgate. If you're gonna ride my ass, be polite enough to give a reach-around.

Not turning your fucking highbeams off as you drive towards me. I seriously want to keep a cup of water in my car to throw at these assholes. In fact, I'm gonna start.

People who think because their car cost 5x as much as mine they're 5x more entitled to drive on the road and I should have to cater to their every driving whim. Hit me in your beemer, I don't care, I want my car to get totalled, but I know you'll cry over it.

And people who blow past me when the weather is bad. I drive fast usually, not crazy fast, but towards the top of the bell curve. If you're passing me by 20% or more in bad weather, you're going to kill someone or yourself.

Not turning your fucking highbeams off as you drive towards me. I seriously want to keep a cup of water in my car to throw at these assholes. In fact, I'm gonna start.



I used to think it would be cool (in that 'also really dangerous and a bad idea) if I was driving a car set up for rally and was clicking high beams to get someone to turn theirs off, if they didn't to hit 'em with the rack of rally lights.

That sentence should be dragged out back and shot...


Aaaanyway...

Forgot one-people who drive into the intersection even though they can't clear it, clogging the whole intersection so that now no one can go in any direction.

In those cases, I would slowly slow down. If you are not comfortable with how close the person behind you is, slow down until you are. It also tends to annoy them into passing you.

Yeah, that's what I did, and the fucker stuck to my bumper and then passed me on a road where you couldn't legally pass, which was how he almost ran me off the road.

People who do the speed limit and line hug.. You're in Ontario, speed limits are recommended minimums, don't sit in front of me doing 5 under and line hugging when everyone else is doing 20 over.

People who tailgate. If you're gonna ride my ass, be polite enough to give a reach-around.

Not turning your fucking highbeams off as you drive towards me. I seriously want to keep a cup of water in my car to throw at these assholes. In fact, I'm gonna start.

People who think because their car cost 5x as much as mine they're 5x more entitled to drive on the road and I should have to cater to their every driving whim. Hit me in your beemer, I don't care, I want my car to get totalled, but I know you'll cry over it.

And people who blow past me when the weather is bad. I drive fast usually, not crazy fast, but towards the top of the bell curve. If you're passing me by 20% or more in bad weather, you're going to kill someone or yourself.

God I hate that! What about drifters? Don't you hate it when people just drift between lanes or, when they're too pathetic to drive they take up more than a single lane because they can't handle their cars? Soccer moms in SUVs are notorious for this!

Grandma drivers. These are the drivers who can barely see over the steering wheel, while going 10 mph below the speed limit.

Whats worse is when it's not a grandma driver but an asshole, and when you try to pass them, then they speed up to the speed limit. That's why my next car is going to have a turbo. If they decide to speed up and not let me pass, then fine, eat my turbo!

Those who think they can beat you by cutting you off.

Why is it, that every time, EVERY TIME there's an accident, it slows down both lanes? I mean Hell even on the interstate an accident can shut down both North/South or East/West flow of traffic. Jeez, you'd think if you saw one accident you've seen them all.

Those who think they can beat the train. My dad, before he work for Phillips Morris, he used to work for Norfolk Southern railroad. One time I got a train ride on a freight train. They were doing a short haul and then coming back with another one, so I went. You would not believe how many crossings we came onto and had people cross it while the lights were flashing, arm going down, the train blowing it's horn, ringing it's bell and have the lights on high.

I always go through these cycles with new girlfriends where they want me to drive and then suddenly they don't...hehe...(I think that has more to do with the lead foot, which is now mitigated by slow slow vans...)

Forgot one last one, tourists. And now I got to jump into the work van and wade knee deep in them to get to my gig...bah!!! Right through the Embarcadaro, a street designed to befuddle tourists.

Why bother with driving as a tourist in San Francisco? Using the transit system is far, far, FAR more convenient!

Grandma drivers. These are the drivers who can barely see over the steering wheel, while going 10 mph below the speed limit.

Whats worse is when it's not a grandma driver but an asshole, and when you try to pass them, then they speed up to the speed limit. That's why my next car is going to have a turbo. If they decide to speed up and not let me pass, then fine, eat my turbo!

Those who think they can beat you by cutting you off.

Why is it, that every time, EVERY TIME there's an accident, it slows down both lanes? I mean Hell even on the interstate an accident can shut down both North/South or East/West flow of traffic. Jeez, you'd think if you saw one accident you've seen them all.

Those who think they can beat the train. My dad, before he work for Phillips Morris, he used to work for Norfolk Southern railroad. One time I got a train ride on a freight train. They were doing a short haul and then coming back with another one, so I went. You would not believe how many crossings we came onto and had people cross it while the lights were flashing, arm going down, the train blowing it's horn, ringing it's bell and have the lights on high.

Honestly, the accident is none of you goddamn business, keep it moving assholes. Don't look you surve and cause an accident on the non-accident side.

What about bridge jumpers? These selfish numbnuts stop traffic for miles upon miles simply because they can't make a fucking decision. I say we give $1,000 to whoever just goes and pushes them over. They are the most inconsiderate people on Earth and the cops have to shut down all traffic because of them. Screw it, keep traffic moving and take bets on if they're going to find the body or not. One the other month couldn't make up his mind on the George Washington Bridge and backed up traffic on I95 south all the way to the Westchester Line. That's like a 20 mile backup or more just because of one inconsiderate bastard.

Why bother with driving as a tourist in San Francisco? Using the transit system is far, far, FAR more convenient!

Plus, you get healthy doses of local crazy!

Hell, I live here and only drive if I absolutely have to.

God I hate that! What about drifters? Don't you hate it when people just drift between lanes or, when they're too pathetic to drive they take up more than a single lane because they can't handle their cars? Soccer moms in SUVs are notorious for this!

I drift when the road is clear, I stick to my lane otherwise. I'm not a very good driver, but I'm working on it. :(

I got another one, but it's not people...

Why are cute, fuzzy animals attracted to the front on my car when I'm going 120? I had never hit anything until the first week at my new job, in that week I hit two rabbits, a cat (and arrived at work still half crying over it...), a seagull and a skunk.
The seagull was the oddest, because a pack of them sat on the road, in the intersection while the light changed, I slowly rolled to up from as far back as I could until the light changed, before I got to the line, it went green and I sped up a bit. They waited until I was about 10' away to take off, and one took off right towards my windshield. Seagull vs. windshield at 40km is a gross mess and crunching noise, I can't imagine if I was actually going fast what would of happened.

Plus, you get healthy doses of local crazy!

Hell, I live here and only drive if I absolutely have to.

Yeah, I avoid driving to the City if at all possible. It's just way easier to take BART. It is better for my emotional health not to incur the amount of stress that driving to the City inflicts.

Sometimes the crazy people are entertaining, lol. Not sure if BART or Muni has the more entertaining nuts.

-People that go the speed limit. Come on now, rules are meant to be broken!
-People that complain and/or tap their brakes when I am tailgating.
- Stop lights/signs. They slow me down.
- People blasting music while next to me at a red light. I'm the only one allowed to be blasting my music, damn it.
-Fog(I know, not a pet peeve). It pisses me off when I am out on a road, all alone at night, and I have to go 35, because of the fog being so thick.:upyours:
- Old ladies. They should be off watching Matlock, not driving around town.
-High School kids on lunch break. They can go bugger off, the little bastards. The pack their cars full, have pop/rap music real loud, swerve all over the road, don't use signal when changing lanes, and are too damn happy.
-Wisconsin/Indiana/Missouri Drivers. I don't even think I need to go into that one. ;)

You tailgate? I hope you die in a horrible accident. Preferably impaled on the steering column.

Better not tailgate me. I don't tap my breaks. I slam on them.

My pet peeve is people who drive cars. :p

tailgating is very annoying, especially at night when it's a truck with high placed headlights that shine straight through the car.

people that don't dip their headlights when they pass. or worse (cuz that could be simple forgetfulness which i can forgive), people who flick their headlights back up before they have completely passed me.

people who overtake recklessly, especially at night when there are high speed queues of traffic and they overtake several vehicles at once and then expect to be able to dive back into the queue when the inevitable happens and a car comes the other way.

slow drivers who won't pull over on a single track or single carriageway road when they have a queue of traffic behind them.

people who sit on your tail so you can't see their indicators if they indicate at all for overtaking so when an opportunity to overtake presents itself they're already swinging out behind me before i've had a chance to complete the whole mirror, signal, maneuvre thing and overtake myself.

people who weave about their lane on motorways, it's very worrying to follow or overtake such erratic drivers and i often end up driving faster than is comfortable just to put some space between me and them.

people who sit in the overtaking lane just in my blind spot and match my speed. if you're going to overtake do it, if not get the fuck behind me and keep your distance.

You tailgate? I hope you die in a horrible accident. Preferably impaled on the steering column.

Better not tailgate me. I don't tap my breaks. I slam on them.

a) read thread, then post. He already said he was joking with the first two.
b)What an intelligent comment to post. Nothing like a good ol' "I hope you die".

People who honk their horn at you when they're the ones who did the stupid driving maneuver
People who tailgate
People who pass illegally
People who stop when there isn't a stop sign (there's this one corner near my parent's house and you don't have to stop on red lights to make a right turn because they have almost like a ramp set up, but every once in a while some douchebag stops and holds up traffic for a block)
People who can't read road signs
People who refuse to let you in and refuse to speed up enough that you can get behind them
People who drive exactly the speed limit on the 401, especially if they do so while talking on a cellphone
People who yell out their windows at passers-by
People who are idiots.

and to a lesser extent

People who don't thank you by raising a hand and waving when you let them into a lane


Basically I hate 90% of people when I'm driving. When I'm a pedestrian I mostly hate drivers who try to run me over because they don't know when/where to stop and people who yell out their car windows.

Maniacs who careen past me on double yellow lines at 15 miles over the speed limit AT NIGHT.
I once had a guy tailgate me while I was going 100km/h in an 80km/h road (it was in the country) for several km, then he passed me while we were going up a hill with some solid lines, he almost got smoked by a truck (an 18 wheeler) that was coming the other way. Then immediately after he made this dangerous pass, he turned onto another street.

Plus, you get healthy doses of local crazy!

Hell, I live here and only drive if I absolutely have to.

are you like in San Fransisco? because my family is coming there next May for vacation......I want to go down Lombard street and do all the cheesy tourist stuff.

Also, I remember another driving thing that upsets me...people who don't know where they are going so they stop at every street with their turn signal and try to decide if they should turn there.....

Sometimes I brake real quick before accelerating just to scare them enough to get the fuck off my ass.



Moi aussi!

I don't drive, I ride a bike but I have driver pet peeves too.

Being cut off. Unlike being cut off car/car where they are still driving forward, when you get cut off on a bike the car pulls in front of you and completely stops usually not giving you any space to pass on their right. Traffic is still on their left though so I am forced to just stop behind them and wait.

No blinker. This pisses me off because now when I pass you I don't know if you are going to run me over or not. If you are making a right hand turn and I am making a left, I am going to ride up past you and make my turn. If your blinker is off, I don't know what the hell you are doing and I am forced to stop completely and wait.

Being doored. No one ever seems to look at traffic when opening their doors, especially if its a street with a bike lane. "Oh, there is a big gap between me and the car traffic, I don't need to look before I open my door now." WRONG asshole, bike lanes have bike traffic. You can avoid being doored most of the time, but since people do it to me at least 5-6 times every one way trip, its just a matter of time before it nails you.

I drift when the road is clear, I stick to my lane otherwise. I'm not a very good driver, but I'm working on it. :(

I got another one, but it's not people...

Why are cute, fuzzy animals attracted to the front on my car when I'm going 120? I had never hit anything until the first week at my new job, in that week I hit two rabbits, a cat (and arrived at work still half crying over it...), a seagull and a skunk.
The seagull was the oddest, because a pack of them sat on the road, in the intersection while the light changed, I slowly rolled to up from as far back as I could until the light changed, before I got to the line, it went green and I sped up a bit. They waited until I was about 10' away to take off, and one took off right towards my windshield. Seagull vs. windshield at 40km is a gross mess and crunching noise, I can't imagine if I was actually going fast what would of happened.

Alright if you aren't a very good driver why the heck are you doing 120?

Here's a pet peeve right here, people who drive excessively fast and are not good drivers!

are you like in San Fransisco? because my family is coming there next May for vacation......I want to go down Lombard street and do all the cheesy tourist stuff.

Also, I remember another driving thing that upsets me...people who don't know where they are going so they stop at every street with their turn signal and try to decide if they should turn there.....
I live on an island in the middle of the San Francisco Bay between the spans of the Bay Bridge.

Lombard St. is one of those places that once you're there you kinda just go, "Huh." It's just a twisty road when you get down to it. I don't know, that might be local disinterest. I almost filmed a buddy of mine driving his 951 up it the wrong way, but we went down instead.

I got rear-ended recently by some lady who decided that what her brother was saying was more important than not ramming into me. I really hate people that don't pay any attention when they drive, and I also hate people that tailgate. I just know that some idiot is going to be too close when I slow down and I'll get hit again.

I also really hate when people go around me, get in front of me, and then decide to slow down. If you're going to pass me, at least make sure I'm not going to have to slow down to half the speed limit when you do!

Idiots without turn signals are always a hazard, especially on the highway when rush-hour traffic is beginning to build up. I've seen plenty of people decide to just swerve over without signaling and then nearly run into another car.

I live on an island in the middle of the San Francisco Bay between the spans of the Bay Bridge.

Lombard St. is one of those places that once you're there you kinda just go, "Huh." It's just a twisty road when you get down to it. I don't know, that might be local disinterest. I almost filmed a buddy of mine driving his 951 up it the wrong way, but we went down instead.

but.....but......I wanna see it, and also ride those street cars and like stuff.

I get to pick the vacation this year, and I just really have always wanted to go to San Fransisco, just to see stuff that I know is there and also to say that I have been. I haven't ever been to the coast, never ever, the farthest away from OK I have ever been is AZ. :(

but.....but......I wanna see it, and also ride those street cars and like stuff.

I get to pick the vacation this year, and I just really have always wanted to go to San Fransisco, just to see stuff that I know is there and also to say that I have been. I haven't ever been to the coast, never ever, the farthest away from OK I have ever been is AZ. :(

Well, the coast is awesome. We got sea lions and otters and all sorts of fun shit. It is really cool, and I still actually like riding the cable cars. I always ride on the running boards.

Being doored. No one ever seems to look at traffic when opening their doors, especially if its a street with a bike lane. "Oh, there is a big gap between me and the car traffic, I don't need to look before I open my door now." WRONG asshole, bike lanes have bike traffic. You can avoid being doored most of the time, but since people do it to me at least 5-6 times every one way trip, its just a matter of time before it nails you.
Yeah, when I was living in Lakewood, I had that happen to me all the time...it got me so pissed off that I finally said screw it and just stuck to sidewalks even though you're technically not allowed to do that if there's a bike lane.

Bikers

For the love of god I know there are horrible drivers out there but none of them seem to follow ANY flipping rules

Some ride on side walks blindly driving across intersections at like 20 miles an hour cutting you off some feel like driving in the middle of the road at like 20 miles an hour on a busy day. Some cross roads at odd places quickly and some come out from between parked cars.

lately this has been bugging me more and more. I am all for biking but can we PLEASE standardize more so I know WHERE you should be coming from so I can keep both me and YOU safe! PLEASE!

Alright if you aren't a very good driver why the heck are you doing 120?

Here's a pet peeve right here, people who drive excessively fast and are not good drivers!

I think he was measuring in KPH ... that puts him at highway speeds here (75 mph)

Anyone slow. Seriously, if you aren't going 45 on a backroad, you need to get off the road. :p

People who speed up to the vehicle in front and then brake and then repeat it.

Seriously, you CANNOT go faster than the person in front of you. That is Queuing theory (or basic common sense:p)

I think he was measuring in KPH ... that puts him at highway speeds here (75 mph)

Ah that didn't dawn on me. Ooops...even still TOO fast for someone who can't stay in lanes...

@ Aryavartha, yes that is great when they do that. I love when they do that to you, go around you like a maniac, do it to someone else, and three minutes later you pass them. I always make it a habit to smile & wave as I go past them. They usually wind up getting behind me again to do the same thing all over but round 2 I don't play, I usually leave them smoked in dust at that point.

Another thing is when you have small ass cars DO NOT THINK YOU CAN MOVE BIGGER CARS AROUND. Seriously, I have a 4,200 lb. Monte Carlo that's over 16 feet long. You have a 2,800 lb. civic. You aren't going to move me ass!

The fact that people other than me are allowed on the road at all :mad:

People that drive too slow. Period. I have a fairly open definition of what's "safe" to drive in, depending on the road I'm on, the current speed limit, weather, and so on. Usually it's 5-15 miles over the limit. What really bugs the Hell out of me, however, is when someone (usually an old person) is just lallygagging around doing 25 in a 35 with a whole line of cars behind him or her. Makes me wish I had a grenade launcher on the front of my car.

Also, I hate SUV drivers. Ugh. The typical SUV driver seems to be a 40-something woman who suffers from automobile obesity (the vehicle being too big, although not necessarily the person), who probably doesn't look good anymore, but won't hesitate to weave in and out of traffic, cutting off everyone who even looks at her, just to get to her next nail appointment and kill more of her husband's money. Ugh. Get that damn gas guzzler off the road. I swear, I can't even see around them to see the traffic light, and know when to blow the horn if they're not moving when the light's green.

Don't like tailgaters either. I'll slow down for a tailgater. Although usually I drive too fast to be tailgated properly.

And, I love making yuppies suffer. Especially when they are driving a BMW, or Mercedes. I'll deliberately cut one off with my beater and watch as they stamp on the brakes. I could probably have mine replaced by the next payday, but a BMW is another story. ;)

And Ohio drivers. Doesn't matter who they are or what they drive. But I swear to God, their license plates come out of cereal boxes. I have never seen worse drivers. Ever.

Edit: Yeah, I am easily provoked on the road. I won't hesitate to use the finger since the horn has been broken for some time now.

darn skippy, I hate people who can't merge and also people who loiter in my blind spot......freaking idiots.

There is possibly a reason though why hubby doesn't let me drive when we are together, I doubt it has to do with my driving skills.

If you have a blind spot it's because you are improperly adjusting your mirrors.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/mirrors/hs~step1.html

Step 1: Start by setting your rear view mirror as you normally would.

Then, lean your head all the way to the left so it touches the driver's window. From that position, set your left side-view mirror so you can see the back corner of your car. Now lean the same distance the other way, and set your right side-view mirror the same way.

Now, here's what happens. When a car comes up behind you, you should first see it in your rearview mirror. But as it passes you (let's say on your left), you'll see it move to the left side of your rearview mirror. And as its left headlight disappears from your rearview mirror, it should instantly show up in your left side-view mirror. There should be no delay. It should slip from one to the other, so you can always see it.

If you have a blind spot it's because you are improperly adjusting your mirrors.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/mirrors/hs~step1.html

Step 1: Start by setting your rear view mirror as you normally would.

Then, lean your head all the way to the left so it touches the driver's window. From that position, set your left side-view mirror so you can see the back corner of your car. Now lean the same distance the other way, and set your right side-view mirror the same way.

Now, here's what happens. When a car comes up behind you, you should first see it in your rearview mirror. But as it passes you (let's say on your left), you'll see it move to the left side of your rearview mirror. And as its left headlight disappears from your rearview mirror, it should instantly show up in your left side-view mirror. There should be no delay. It should slip from one to the other, so you can always see it.

:eek: *readjusts her mirrors*

you know they never told me what I was supposed to be seeing in them anyway......

I need to add one.

There's a construction site ahead. Big sign says: Left Lane Ends Merge Into Right Lane. People begin to merge---except for those that decide: That means I can stay in the left as long as possible then I expect the person that has waited in line for a mile to let me into the front of the line.

This has got to be the rudest, egocentric, clueless, person who's mother is a dog without a husband, that drives on the roads.

People with these huge, shiny trucks that are just huge and shiny. If you're going to get a truck, use it as a truck. Tow something, go offroad, put something in the bed. I know a fellow who bought a trailer (so he does occasionally tow) just so he wouldn't have to put anything in the bed. A truck is not a commuter car! A truck is a tool and a toy.

Turn signals, use them please.

I'm okay with people talking on their phones while they drive, at least most people, but for heavens sake QUIT TEXTING WHILE YOU DRIVE MORON!

People who shoot gaps/cut you off, just to save three seconds rather than waiting the three seconds for the huge space behind you.

People who don't know how to react to emergency vehicles. Let them through, someones life may depend on it.

Your horn has a purpose. That purpose is not greeting people, or announcing the presence of you shiny ass truck to the world. That purpose is certianly not picking up some chick at FOUR IN THE MORNING!

And people who don't turn off their brights until they are ten feet away.

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Tailgaters, I drive the speed limit on the highway, saves a SHITLOAD of gas.

That and every snice I bought my 07 SI, it seems like everyone has been trying to hit me.

People who creep up on my on hills, because I have a manuel with a nice werido clutch throw.

IF SOMEONE IS DRIVING A STICK, DO NOT CREEP UP ON THEM. EVER.


And rednecks, who always rev they're engine at redlights, apprantly that ' vtech ' logo means im some idiot ricer who always wants to race.

And oh yeah, fucking idiots who merge onto the highway at 40 miles an hour with a chain of cars behind them, theres a fucking pileup waiting to happen.

Also, ppl who have those stupid V6 montes,camaros,firebirds, grand ams, ect.

Just because you have 2 more pistons then me doesnt mean your going to be able to intimidate me, my SI is faster than your peice of shit grand am, so stop flooring it behind me and flying around me.

Tailgaters are fun, because if they get to close I like to go just fast enough to not let them pass me when they decide to.

Alright if you aren't a very good driver why the heck are you doing 120?

Here's a pet peeve right here, people who drive excessively fast and are not good drivers!

Cuz, when I'm going 120 there isn't another car within sight. Or, because if I'm not doing 120 I'm holding up traffic. And, I have low self-esteem and always sell myself short. I'm probably on average with most young male drivers, minus the cockiness. ;)

Ok people, stop whining.

Else I will put you in this road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjrEQaG5jPM

Ok people, stop whining.

Else I will put you in this road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjrEQaG5jPM

See that bus around 30 seconds? Yeah that'd be me and I dare them to get in the way.

Cuz, when I'm going 120 there isn't another car within sight. Or, because if I'm not doing 120 I'm holding up traffic. And, I have low self-esteem and always sell myself short. I'm probably on average with most young male drivers, minus the cockiness. ;)

I think you've said it all.

I think you've said it all.

Actually, that is one of the departments where I have plenty of confidence. ;) And I got pictures to back the claims.

Ok.. I'm not sure if it was in this thread or what, but I remember tonight bitching about people who drive in the passing lane of an interstate and are not passing! v Pass or get the fuck back into the middle or preferably the far right lane and tooter your ass along. I swear.. sometimes I've felt like that if I was driving a tractor trailer I'd run over these fuckers. =)

Ok.. I'm not sure if it was in this thread or what, but I remember tonight bitching about people who drive in the passing lane of an interstate and are not passing! v Pass or get the fuck back into the middle or preferably the far right lane and tooter your ass along. I swear.. sometimes I've felt like that if I was driving a tractor trailer I'd run over these fuckers. =)

In a city the far left is actually the "through" lane. It's for people who are not going to exit but simply drive through the city. It allows them to stay out of the way of those people that are entering and exiting. Thereby lessening the possibility of accident. The right lane is for those who have just entered or are going to soon exit and the middle lanes are for those that will later exit but not soon. They stay in the middle so when their exit gets close they can move to the right. If everyone would just pick the lane that relates to which they are doing and stay in it there would be few traffic jams. It's people weaving traffic that cause jams. They pull in front of people so those behind have to slow up. Then they move to another lane and slow it up.

I hate 40 drivers. That's people who drive at 40 every where. 40 in the 30s, 40 in the 40s, 40 in the 60/70s.

I want to ram them off the road. I have anger issues while driving tho :D

Ooh, I just thought of another - cars/trucks that don't pull over to let traffic by. Labor Day weekend I was up in the mountains of Virginia doing a bit of camping. Road leading up to the campground was a wonderfully twisty, turney road - perfect for my Acura. I can't tell you how many times I get stuck behind some big SUV that couldn't go much over 15 mph around those turns (speed limit was 55, but I only got close to that twice). They had plenty of opportunities to pull over and let us (myself and the numerous motorcycles) past, but they chugged along oblivious...

Assholes that tailgate motorcycles. Seriously. If you tailgate a car and they have to stop suddenly you may injure the driver and damage his property. If you tailgate me and I have to stop suddenly you could kill of maim me.

Seriously. Back off. You're not going to get there any sooner by riding on my back tire. If you really feel the need to tailgate, tailgate an SUV or a Hummer. Don't tailgate the guy you're going to kill if you hit him.

Too many to list individually.

So let me just say my pet peeve when driving is the majority of other drivers.

Assholes that tailgate motorcycles. Seriously. If you tailgate a car and they have to stop suddenly you may injure the driver and damage his property. If you tailgate me and I have to stop suddenly you could kill of maim me.

Seriously. Back off. You're not going to get there any sooner by riding on my back tire. If you really feel the need to tailgate, tailgate an SUV or a Hummer. Don't tailgate the guy you're going to kill if you hit him.

One word for you:

Caltrops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrops)

One word for you:

Caltrops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrops)

I know people who carry around rolls of pennys when they ride. If someone gets too close and won't back off when you try to wave them off you just throw them up in the air...

tailgating, certainly

weaving lanes

undertaking (ie aggressively overtaking in the nearside lane, usually resulting in them forcing their way back in-between cars in too small a gap...)

middle lane drivers (people who refuse to move over whatsoever, even if there's nothing on the inside lane)

basically other drivers in general

1. Changing lanes without signaling
2. Making turns at intersections without signaling
(Aww hell, just not signaling what the hell you're doing at all!)
3. Not yielding the way for emergency vehicles
4. Speeding (especially in residential zones)
5. Obstructing traffic (driving too slow)
6. Obstructing traffic (blocking intersections)
7. AIMING (slicing through 5 lanes of traffic to get your off-ramp or turn)
8. Did I mention not yielding the way for emergency vehicles?
9. Using up multiple parking spaces (there's nothing worse than seeing someone use up 3 spaces to park their Civic)
10. Police cruisers turning on their sirens to get through intersections (this may be the cause of points 3 and 8)
11. Police not signaling when changing lanes or making turns (talk about setting a bad example)
12. Using the shoulder as a passing lane.

I need to add one.

There's a construction site ahead. Big sign says: Left Lane Ends Merge Into Right Lane. People begin to merge---except for those that decide: That means I can stay in the left as long as possible then I expect the person that has waited in line for a mile to let me into the front of the line.

This has got to be the rudest, egocentric, clueless, person who's mother is a dog without a husband, that drives on the roads.

totally agree :headbang:

I need to add one.

There's a construction site ahead. Big sign says: Left Lane Ends Merge Into Right Lane. People begin to merge---except for those that decide: That means I can stay in the left as long as possible then I expect the person that has waited in line for a mile to let me into the front of the line.

This has got to be the rudest, egocentric, clueless, person who's mother is a dog without a husband, that drives on the roads.

First against the wall!

What about these morons? You're coming across the bridge or towards a toll and the signs clearly say left two lanes for EZ Pass right for cash. So you get to the toll booth and there you have it some dickwad stopped dead in an EZ Pass lane blocking now 3 lanes while he tries to get over to the cash lane only to find that the vertical blockers are there so now he has effectively blocked 2 full lanes with his horizontal car and because of that, there's a spillback over the bridge, traffic, etc. all because of one illiterate douche.

One today decided to stop dead, slam on brakes stop dead, with me and another car behind him all doing about 30 - 40 coming into the toll booth because this waste of oxygen was too busy picking his nose or something to read the signs.

people who tailgate me anywhere else, seriously, I am not speeding up for you, go around.
That irritates the hell out of me. Here's a story. I'm driving on a city street at about 11:00. There's two lanes in either direction. A guy gets on my butt and starts tail gating me. Then he starts flashing his high beams. I start slowing down. Seriously, he needs to just go around. He stays behind me. I take my foot off the gas and am now going under 5 miles an hour. Just letting the car move forward at it's normal speed. Idiot is still behind me flicking his high beams. I stop. There's no one else on the road in the middle of the night so I stop completely. He stays behind me flashing his lights for several minutes before reversing and going around me. All that could have been avoided by using the other non-occupied lane.

people who don't understand merging, if I need to merge then you need to maintain a constant speed, don't slow down and try to let me in, don't speed up and try to get ahead of me, just freaking drive and let me figure it out. (this also annoys me when I am behind an idiot who slows down to try to let someone merge)
I hate that so much. I hate being the person trying to merge when someone is slowing down or speeding up. Like me merging in front of them is a personal attack on their personhood.

people who don't understand merging (again), an on ramp is time to speed up to the flow of traffic, you do this, you pay attention on your way up and you merge, you do not stop at the end of the on ramp and look for an opening.......
I just want to beat those people with hammers.

Other pet peeves:
-People who flash their high beams.

-Pedestrians who yell at me for starting to roll forward when they are a foot away from the sidewalk on the other side of the intersection.
Trucks who tryp to pass other trucks going up hill when one is going 35 mph and the other one is going 36 mph with a third in the emergency lane going 34 mph.

-people who don't understand how a four way stop works and expect me to play the "go, go, stop, stop, go, go, stop, stop" game with them.

When I'm on my longboard the following also irritate me.
-Stopping in the middle of a road where there's no stop sign or stop light to "let" me cross. It takes longer for you to slow down and stop than to just keep going. Given that you've made the stupid decision to stop on a 40 mph road to allow me to cross, I can't trust you not to hit me. I'm not crossing in front of you. I have a book in my purse and a ready made seat with my board. I can wait you out.

-people that will drive behind me at 5 mph afraid to pass me. I've got a bobble head thing going on. I'm always looking around for traffic, people, ect. I don't expect you to see me, so I lood for you. If I make eye contact with you, I see you. If I wave you on, I'm telling you to go on. If I'm going downhill, I have to carve to not build up a dangerous amount of speed. I can't trust that you aren't going to randomly decide to accelerate when I'm carving in front of you.

-Cars in front of me when I'm carving that slow down or stop completely. See above.

On a motorcycle:
-See me!!! Seriously.

-People who flash their high beams.


Actually there are three valid reasons for flashing ones highbeams.

1. When approaching behind someone in the passing lane, you flash to show your intent to overtake when they are moving slowly in the lane.
2. When approaching opposite of someone who does not have their lights on at night.
3. When someone is intending to merge into the passing lane, as a sign that you are intending to allow them into the lane.

I also do not like people who can't get it together to get basic liability insurance.

I'm 100% with you on that. I like the way Puerto Rico does it, you pay your insurance for the year when you buy your tags. Since 100% of everyone is insured, it's pretty reasonable. The downfall is full coverage is disproportionately high. Also, when I came back to the U.S. proper, I had extremely high rates because they considered me uninsured me for two years. Even though I had proof.:mad:

Actually there are three valid reasons for flashing ones highbeams.

1. When approaching behind someone in the passing lane, you flash to show your intent to overtake when they are moving slowly in the lane.
2. When approaching opposite of someone who does not have their lights on at night.
3. When someone is intending to merge into the passing lane, as a sign that you are intending to allow them into the lane.
and when an oncoming car forgets to turn their main beam off on approach. being blinded when driving is not good.

i personally try to only resort to #1 when i'm really pissed off at them and they haven't taken the hint yet...

And busses that think they are magically exempt from all traffic laws and good sense. Just becauswe you are a bus, you don't get to drive in the bike lane, turn without checking the crosswalk (if I have a little walk guy I have the right of way), flip me off for crossing when I have the walk guy, force several cars to back up who were properly stopped behind the stop line because you can't figure out how to turn left, merge into traffic abruptly and without looking.:mad:

Actually there are three valid reasons for flashing ones highbeams.

1. When approaching behind someone in the passing lane, you flash to show your intent to overtake when they are moving slowly in the lane.
2. When approaching opposite of someone who does not have their lights on at night.
3. When someone is intending to merge into the passing lane, as a sign that you are intending to allow them into the lane.

1. That's just rude and exactly what I'm talking about. You do that to me I'm going to slow down and then hold my windshield wiper wash down so the water goes over my car and onto your windshield (also a good trick for tailgaters). Seriously, if I'm in the fast lane and not going as fast as you want, it's because there's no room for me to move over in the slow lane. I abide by the law and stay in the slow lane except to pass.

2. Instead of blinding them you can turn your lights on and off a few times. They'll get the message.

3. But only truckers really know that. I'm at least somewhat okay with the last one because people are trying to be courteous. Seriously though, if I'm too stupid to figure out I can merge that's my problem.

I hate it when everyone else is going the wrong direction. Come on people, it's not that difficult!

I also really hate when people go around me, get in front of me, and then decide to slow down. If you're going to pass me, at least make sure I'm not going to have to slow down to half the speed limit when you do!

That pisses me off to no end. Especially when they do that mad swervy thing going around you. GRARHGH!!!


Oh, and when you are passing someone on a one lane in either direction road and they accelerate. FUCK YOU!!!! I'm going faster. Deal with it.

1. That's just rude and exactly what I'm talking about. You do that to me I'm going to slow down and then hold my windshield wiper wash down so the water goes over my car and onto your windshield (also a good trick for tailgaters). Seriously, if I'm in the fast lane and not going as fast as you want, it's because there's no room for me to move over in the slow lane. I abide by the law and stay in the slow lane except to pass.

2. Instead of blinding them you can turn your lights on and off a few times. They'll get the message.

3. But only truckers really know that. I'm at least somewhat okay with the last one because people are trying to be courteous. Seriously though, if I'm too stupid to figure out I can merge that's my problem.

1. You're not following the rules of the road, as the far left lane is a PASSING lane, if you're using it to keep moving on, you're the peeve.

2. It's a momentary flash, and normal....

3. It's with any longer vehicle. The general idea is not, however, that you cannot tell if you have the SPACE to merge, but that you are not going to attempt to speed up and cut off the person trying to merge; thus FLASHING to indicate you intend to ALLOW the person to merge infront of you.

Also, my wife pointed out that I forgot one.... It's also used at 4-way stop signs to indicate to someone to progress if it's their turn and they have not moved (usefull in this age where few people seem to realize there is actually a RIGHT OF WAY for cars ar 4-way intersections).

People who don't know how to react to emergency vehicles. Let them through, someones life may depend on it.

I have a few from driving an ambulance:

-People who tailgate one to get through the traffic.

-People who stop in the middle of the road when they see my lights and sirens (more a problem in a cop car).

-People who can't figure out that pulling over next to someone already pulled over and not leaving me room isn't helping. Just drive and get off the road ASAP.

1. You're not following the rules of the road, as the far left lane is a PASSING lane, if you're using it to keep moving on, you're the peeve.

2. It's a momentary flash, and normal....

3. It's with any longer vehicle. The general idea is not, however, that you cannot tell if you have the SPACE to merge, but that you are not going to attempt to speed up and cut off the person trying to merge; thus FLASHING to indicate you intend to ALLOW the person to merge infront of you.

Also, my wife pointed out that I forgot one.... It's also used at 4-way stop signs to indicate to someone to progress if it's their turn and they have not moved (usefull in this age where few people seem to realize there is actually a RIGHT OF WAY for cars ar 4-way intersections).
1. If there's a line of 6 or 7 trucks doing the posted 55 and I'm wanting to do the posted 65 (or more likely my own speed of 75) I'm going to pass all 7 trucks. I'm not going to slow down, get between two trucks, speed up and weave out of them, slow down... But like I said flash your high beams at me, enjoy my windshield washer fluid (or the occasional slurpee).

2. It's not here at all. In your part of the country, I'd adapt. Here, no one but assholes does that.

3. And this could be a regional difference, but no one knows that here. They don't teach it in the mandatory state sponsored driver's ed. The only reason I know about it is I know some truck drivers.

4. That last one isn't used here either.

In this state, when you take the written they ask you a question about high beam usage specifically. The only acceptable time to use your high beams is for visibility.

Plus, you get healthy doses of local crazy!

Hell, I live here and only drive if I absolutely have to.

In 2001 I spent four days in San Francisco. I did the Grey Line tour (including the Blue and Gold ferry to Alcatraz) and literally got EVERYWHERE by shank's mare, the bus, the trolley or (once) a cable car. And yes, I stood on the driver's side!

It wasn't until I was leaving that I picked up a rental car at the airport for my trip into Napa/Sonoma, then back down to San Jose, then the Pacific Coast Highway down to San Luis Obispo.

Good times. :)

In 2001 I spent four days in San Francisco. I did the Grey Line tour (including the Blue and Gold ferry to Alcatraz) and literally got EVERYWHERE by shank's mare, the bus, the trolley or (once) a cable car. And yes, I stood on the driver's side!

It wasn't until I was leaving that I picked up a rental car at the airport for my trip into Napa/Sonoma, then back down to San Jose, then the Pacific Coast Highway down to San Luis Obispo.

Good times. :)


Our subway's better Kat :). I stay off the buses though, looks like a prison lineup from the windows, everyone looks so po'd. I'll stick to the underground ;).

Our subway's better Kat :). I stay off the buses though, looks like a prison lineup from the windows, everyone looks so po'd. I'll stick to the underground ;).

LOL funny enough I ride the NYC subways everywhere, but I think I had a mental thing about riding below ground when the ground might decide to shake more than the train tracks normally do. ;)

And compared to NY, even your weirdos look normal to me. ;)

LOL funny enough I ride the NYC subways everywhere, but I think I had a mental thing about riding below ground when the ground might decide to shake more than the train tracks normally do. ;)

And compared to NY, even your weirdos look normal to me. ;)

Yeah the Village wierdos are generally the most wierd people out there. I'm lucky, I'm off the 6 train but to get to work it's a short 5 to 10 minute ride, depending on the idiots at the toll both :).

Here's a couple more:

1. People who call the brights high beams. No, people, they are not "high beams." They are brights. They are not some beam of light that is higher than the dimmer setting. They are merely brighter lights. Brights. Get it?!

2. People who set the lights in cars to be on whenever a door is opened. The only time you need interior lights is at night, and if you just lock the damned car with the remote and unlock it with the remote, the lights will--get this--TURN ON! So inefficient.

3. People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!

Here's a couple more:

1. People who call the brights high beams. No, people, they are not "high beams." They are brights. They are not some beam of light that is higher than the dimmer setting. They are merely brighter lights. Brights. Get it?!

2. People who set the lights in cars to be on whenever a door is opened. The only time you need interior lights is at night, and if you just lock the damned car with the remote and unlock it with the remote, the lights will--get this--TURN ON! So inefficient.

3. People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!

They're high beams. Get over it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+are+brights+called+high+beams%3F&btnG=Search

I don't want to get into a dark car at night. I want the lights to go on whenever I open a door or click my remote -- the better to see if there's some idiot hiding in my back seat waiting to carjack me. You know, for safety's sake.

Funny how the insurance company gives you a discount for having daytime running lights -- i.e. lights that are on all the time. It's because it makes YOUR CAR more visible to oncoming traffic and is a safety feature.

3. People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!

On three of my four cars the headlights come on automatically when I turn the car on. I get cheaper insurance because of it. It's supposed to be safer even in daylight.

But this does remind me, in Missouri, instead of turning on the headlights they turn on the parking lights. It has to be pretty dark to get headlights. I always thought they were nuts. What do they think they're saving?

Here's a couple more:

1. People who call the brights high beams. No, people, they are not "high beams." They are brights. They are not some beam of light that is higher than the dimmer setting. They are merely brighter lights. Brights. Get it?!

Well with like half the auto magazines in the western world call them "high beams" Along with TV shows and all sorts of other media it does not seem unreasonable to call them such ... hardly something to get worked up over its not like calling them that causes danger or inhibits communication


3. People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!
Every new car I have drove leave their headlights on or at least a running light ...

Either way I would much rather them keep them on for an hour after they were strictly necessary then the idiots who forget to turn them on after it is too dark.

Nein! (I'm just being anal about it...I find a word choice and I stick with it.)

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That's what I just said...the light comes on when you unlock the car with the remote!


NO IT DOESN"T!

NO IT FUCKING DOESN"T!

I will see your car if it has lights on or not during the day. During the day, a couple little lights are not going to do anything. During the day, there is nothing keeping you from seeing the entire car. Lights make sense at night when you need the light and when seeing the car is difficult. They are absolutely pointless during the day unless there is something on the road that makes it difficult to see.

I'm sorry...this is just something that has pissed me off for a long time, because I hear again and again that it's a "safety feature" when all it does is waste electricity.

Let me say it one more time:

Daytime, clear weather: you can see the car. You don't need the headlights.

Daytime, murky weather on the road itself making it hard to see the car: you do need the headlights.

The second is the only--ONLY--time you should have headlights on during the day. Otherwise you're just wasting electricity.
The insurance industry seems to disagree with you ... I also get a discount for daytime headlights or running lights

They're high beams. Get over it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+are+brights+called+high+beams%3F&btnG=Search


Nein! (I'm just being anal about it...I find a word choice and I stick with it.)

I don't want to get into a dark car at night. I want the lights to go on whenever I open a door or click my remote -- the better to see if there's some idiot hiding in my back seat waiting to carjack me. You know, for safety's sake.
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That's what I just said...the light comes on when you unlock the car with the remote!

Funny how the insurance company gives you a discount for having daytime running lights -- i.e. lights that are on all the time. It's because it makes YOUR CAR more visible to oncoming traffic and is a safety feature.

NO IT DOESN"T!

NO IT FUCKING DOESN"T!

I will see your car if it has lights on or not during the day. During the day, a couple little lights are not going to do anything. During the day, there is nothing keeping you from seeing the entire car. Lights make sense at night when you need the light and when seeing the car is difficult. They are absolutely pointless during the day unless there is something on the road that makes it difficult to see.

I'm sorry...this is just something that has pissed me off for a long time, because I hear again and again that it's a "safety feature" when all it does is waste electricity.

Let me say it one more time:

Daytime, clear weather: you can see the car. You don't need the headlights.

Daytime, murky weather on the road itself making it hard to see the car: you do need the headlights.

The second is the only--ONLY--time you should have headlights on during the day. Otherwise you're just wasting electricity.

Well with like half the auto magazines in the western world call them "high beams" Along with TV shows and all sorts of other media it does not seem unreasonable to call them such ... hardly something to get worked up over its not like calling them that causes danger or inhibits communication

It's like the soda v pop debate.

It's like the soda v pop debate.

Exactly ... I know what you mean when you say either ... now I have been places where they call everything a "coke" that gets a bit confusing between the brand and the product but "pop" or "soda" are easy to tell what a person means

Nein! (I'm just being anal about it...I find a word choice and I stick with it.)

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That's what I just said...the light comes on when you unlock the car with the remote!


NO IT DOESN"T!

NO IT FUCKING DOESN"T!

I will see your car if it has lights on or not during the day. During the day, a couple little lights are not going to do anything. During the day, there is nothing keeping you from seeing the entire car. Lights make sense at night when you need the light and when seeing the car is difficult. They are absolutely pointless during the day unless there is something on the road that makes it difficult to see.

I'm sorry...this is just something that has pissed me off for a long time, because I hear again and again that it's a "safety feature" when all it does is waste electricity.

Let me say it one more time:

Daytime, clear weather: you can see the car. You don't need the headlights.

Daytime, murky weather on the road itself making it hard to see the car: you do need the headlights.

The second is the only--ONLY--time you should have headlights on during the day. Otherwise you're just wasting electricity.

Actually, originally, DRLs would be a safety feature because a car with the lights on during the day would actually draw your attention because it was like WTF he's got his lights on. Insurance companies give you discounts for DRLs. Now that everyone has them automatically it's kind of like watered down so not as safe as when they first came out but they don't do any harm. They don't waste elecricity because, as your car is on and your alternator is running, it is producing electrical power. Cars with DRLs are designed that the DRLs won't cause unnecessary power drops in them and won't waste any elecricity at all...

Your gripes are actually pretty nonsensical. High beams, brights, same thing...They're actually just more lights on at once and slightly brighter providing a higher intensity beam of light. It's interchangeable.




Really annoying to add to this list on this thread: true white headlights that aren't adjusted! Yes people headlights on the road, not my rearview mirror!

Even that's worthless because you're still supposed to be paying attention to cars on the road anyway, and all that would do is draw your attention to the specific car, not suddenly make you notice a car you wouldn't have otherwise seen.

If you're captivated by a single car with headlights on during the day you need to get a ride to DMV so you can turn in your lisence and never drive again because you don't belong on the road.

Even that's worthless because you're still supposed to be paying attention to cars on the road anyway, and all that would do is draw your attention to the specific car, not suddenly make you notice a car you wouldn't have otherwise seen.

Otherwise you're just wasting electricity.

The car is generating its own electricity. I suppose it takes a little bit of fuel having the lights on but it would be minuscule.

I understand that in Korea everyone shuts off their headlights at every red light in the middle of the night. I imagine replacing a worn out switch costs more than the fuel saved.

The car is generating its own electricity. I suppose it takes a little bit of fuel having the lights on but it would be minuscule.

I understand that in Korea everyone shuts off their headlights at every red light in the middle of the night. I imagine replacing a worn out switch costs more than the fuel saved.

Yes, the car is generating its own electricity. That's not the point.

It's a wasteful habit. It's indicative of other wasteful habits involving electricity, like leaving televisions or lights on in rooms when you go away for up to an hour somewhere else in the house. Those are very bad habits to develop because they end up harming all of us in the end, because our power supply is a finite resource, and wasting it like that means we have that much less.

So I guess it's another case of my making a logic jump, only this is one that's really huge and one I shouldn't have expected anyone else to make. I'm sorry about that.

Yes, the car is generating its own electricity. That's not the point.

It's a wasteful habit. It's indicative of other wasteful habits involving electricity, like leaving televisions or lights on in rooms when you go away for up to an hour somewhere else in the house. Those are very bad habits to develop because they end up harming all of us in the end, because our power supply is a finite resource, and wasting it like that means we have that much less.

So I guess it's another case of my making a logic jump, only this is one that's really huge and one I shouldn't have expected anyone else to make. I'm sorry about that.

This is going to take us off the subject, but I put in florescent lights 5 years ago. And I installed a tankless water heater. And one of my cars is a hybrid. So I guess I'm saving enough to have the lights on. Not to mention the insurance savings.

In 2001 I spent four days in San Francisco. I did the Grey Line tour (including the Blue and Gold ferry to Alcatraz) and literally got EVERYWHERE by shank's mare, the bus, the trolley or (once) a cable car. And yes, I stood on the driver's side!

It wasn't until I was leaving that I picked up a rental car at the airport for my trip into Napa/Sonoma, then back down to San Jose, then the Pacific Coast Highway down to San Luis Obispo.

Good times. :)

San Jose? Did you get lost?[/anti-San Jose bias...]

That's the best highway in the world, dammit.

When the red light turns green, the first car goes, the second car waits until the first car goes before they go, and so on and so forth down the line.
If all the cars down the line just spaced themselves out a bit and started to accelerate at the same time, then the line would save a lot of time going thru the intersection.

And people who drive with their bright lights on during the daytime. The dashboard in front of the driver has a little light that tells you that your brights are on. You can't tell me you've driven more then one mintue without at least looking down once to check your speed then notace that your bright lights light is on. I see this at least once a week, and that tells me more then anything else that these people shoudn't be driving.

And people who just don't understand how four way stop intersections work. You can wait four seconds before you go, why pull out in front of someone and risk getting stupid you hurt?

People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!

I regularly agree with you, but right now...

DLRs > you. I can see a car much more easily, and at a greater distance with it's lights on, always. And, as the electricity is being generated anyways, their is no electricity being wasted.

I don't have many (NB: British, drives on left):


People who don't get in the correct lane. Especially on roundabouts.

People who don't seem to 'get' how roundabouts works.

People who don't indicate on roundabouts (well people who don't indicate at all, as well as those who indicate too late so they shouldn't have even bothered).


The people who don't understand/care how box junctions work and who clog the junction.

4x4s/SUVs, I'm not going to mention anything political about these "gas-guzzling" monstrosities, but they annoy me because they reduce my visibility and are far too wide. And because those that drive them are frequently as rich as Croesus, they think they can park where ever they want because a parkin fine means nothing. Also, to steal a line from the city tourism board. This isn't the countryside, this is Manchester.

People who don't get up to speed in a timely manner and then level out significantly below the speed limit.

Lorries on the motorway overtaking each other.

People who cannot get moving after the light goes green. This one actually depends on the lights. Generally this is fine, but a few lights round here stay green for 5 (I've counted) seconds, and not getting through put a longer time on the journey.

People who don't read the signs or think they don't aspply to them.

People who haven't read or haven't understood the highway code or don't think that it applies to them.

When there are too lanes of queued traffic, the people who go down the shorter one and then expect to be allowed in.


I know this all may make me sound like an aggressive 'motorist,' but I'm really not. I am really quite nice :D

my pet peve ABOUT driving, and or having to, is whatever reason i would be having to. that general fund revinues that could be bennifiting EVERYONE with real transportation infrstucture alternatives are instead squandered on subsidising the oil and automotive industries by providing them with a right of way, that any other mode, at least in the western hemisphere is forced to provide for themselves, while it is the oil and automotive industries that could most and best afford to provide thier own. every time there isn't a bus or a train to where i'd like to be going, yes i get annoyed at a transportion policy that i cannot see as other then totally backward headed and insane.

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People who don't indicate on roundabouts (well people who don't indicate at all, as well as those who indicate too late so they shouldn't have even bothered).


that really gets me too. i almost had a crash yesterday because of that, in fact.

for those who don't know, when you go straight ahead on a roundabout you usually don't indicate. but, when you get to your exit, you SHOULD indicate (left) when you are going to turn off, which signals to those on your right its ok to go. people don't always do this, however.

when you turn RIGHT at a roundabout you really, really should indicate (right) or people may assume you're going to turn off and are just not indicating to do so.

some prick in a 4x4 last night looked like he was going to turn off, its the exit on the roundabout that takes you to the motorway, and often people don't bother to signal left (turning off) because its where 90% of people turn off anyway. this guy was turning right. i pull out assuming he's turning off only to see him swing round and miss my bumper by a matter of feet. if he'd fucking indicated in the first place (or even better, if EVERYONE indicated) there would have been no problems at all :rolleyes:



being in the wrong lane at roundabouts (ie turning right in the left hand lane) is not just a peeve, its bloody dangerous.

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being in the wrong lane at roundabouts (ie turning right in the left hand lane) is not just a peeve, its bloody dangerous.

Strangley enough. It is usually the other way round when I see it. People in the right hand lane wanting to turn left. A car (funnily enough a 4x4) nearly took me out yesterday doing that.

my pet peve ABOUT driving, and or having to, is whatever reason i would be having to. that general fund revinues that could be bennifiting EVERYONE with real transportation infrstucture alternatives are instead squandered on subsidising the oil and automotive industries by providing them with a right of way, that any other mode, at least in the western hemisphere is forced to provide for themselves, while it is the oil and automotive industries that could most and best afford to provide thier own. every time there isn't a bus or a train to where i'd like to be going, yes i get annoyed at a transportion policy that i cannot see as other then totally backward headed and insane.

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I have to say I agree.

I love taking the bus or walking to work. Unfortunately, walking to where I work now is impracticle since it is too far. To take the bus costs far too much in time and money. It take twice the time and is much more expensive. I would cycle, but the majority of the journey is uphill, and I'd rather not arrive all sweaty in my work clothes.

I have an interview soon, and if I get that job I should be able to take the bus :D

People who can't drive in a straight line. These days people drive these massive tanks, so the only way to know what's going on is to drive slightly offset so you can see past them.

But if people keep straying towards the middle of the road, I can't be offset to the right (in this country) to see past them. It annoys the crap out of me.

1. People who call the brights high beams. No, people, they are not "high beams." They are brights. They are not some beam of light that is higher than the dimmer setting. They are merely brighter lights. Brights. Get it?!

They're called "High Beams" because they are actually HIGHER than regular lights, not brighter. The High Beams project light straight out. Whereas regular lights are projected at a downward angle.

Even that's worthless because you're still supposed to be paying attention to cars on the road anyway, and all that would do is draw your attention to the specific car, not suddenly make you notice a car you wouldn't have otherwise seen.

that's not the point. the point is that an object emitting light is more noticeable in periferal vision than an object that merely reflects it. if your pulling out of a junction and a car with no lights on comes round the corner just as you're looking the other way you might not catch it, if it has it's lights on you definitely will except in the brightest sunlight. also with motorbikes, they appear often in periferal vision, especially in traffic where they can go between the cars. a bike with it's lights off is practically invisible in a quick glance at your mirrors or over your shoulder. with it's lights on you can't miss it. also, a dark car coming out of a deeply shaded stretch of road into sunlight is practically invisible to someone who is looking from the sunlit stretch, with it's lights on it is much easier to notice.

I have to say I agree.

I love taking the bus or walking to work. Unfortunately, walking to where I work now is impracticle since it is too far. To take the bus costs far too much in time and money. It take twice the time and is much more expensive. I would cycle, but the majority of the journey is uphill, and I'd rather not arrive all sweaty in my work clothes.

I have an interview soon, and if I get that job I should be able to take the bus :D

I disagree, I dont know about you but I drive not just to get from A-B, I drive for fun.

For me, esp in my new 07 si, theres nothing like taking a twistie road really fast.

I disagree, I dont know about you but I drive not just to get from A-B, I drive for fun.

For me, esp in my new 07 si, theres nothing like taking a twistie road really fast.

personally i do like having a little fun when i drive (epecially in my new 2 litre jobby), but at the same time i'm lothe to do anything that could harm myself or especially other road users.

I disagree, I dont know about you but I drive not just to get from A-B, I drive for fun.

For me, esp in my new 07 si, theres nothing like taking a twistie road really fast.

Oh I love driving too. Especially fast. I admit I have a heavy right foot :D


The problem going to and from work. I can't go fast, the average speed I go is between 25 and 30 (the latter if I'm lucky on the 40 mph stretch). So when it comes to going to and from work, I prefer public transport. If it weren't so expensive :(

personally i do like having a little fun when i drive (epecially in my new 2 litre jobby), but at the same time i'm lothe to do anything that could harm myself or especially other road users.
2 liters is plenty, my car pulls 195hp out of a 1.8 liter.

Oh I dont do that when there are other ppl around, but some backroads around here almost never have ppl on them at night. So I find it fun to have some fun.

2 liters is plenty, my car pulls 195hp out of a 1.8 liter.

Oh I dont do that when there are other ppl around, but some backroads around here almost never have ppl on them at night. So I find it fun to have some fun.
well i only get 140bhp from my car (cos its a bit of a heavy fucker), but it does have a sweet hybrid turbo....

though finding an empty road round here is nigh on impossible. the population density in the south of england is just crazy :p

Oh I love driving too. Especially fast. I admit I have a heavy right foot :D


The problem going to and from work. I can't go fast, the average speed I go is between 25 and 30 (the latter if I'm lucky on the 40 mph stretch). So when it comes to going to and from work, I prefer public transport. If it weren't so expensive :(

ha ha! *has a motorway between himself and the office :D

well i only get 140bhp from my car (cos its a bit of a heavy fucker), but it does have a sweet hybrid turbo....

though finding an empty road round here is nigh on impossible. the population density in the south of england is just crazy :p



ha ha! *has a motorway between himself and the office :D

Mine does ok, http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/civicsi06_07.jpg
Cept mine is white.

I dont have a turbo, but I do have vtech ( varible vavle timing ) so its realy fun in the bends.

Out here its really easy to find a road like that. Strange thing is if you go about 3 miles south you hit cranberry which is one of the fastest growing areas in the state, odd place to live.

Its why I dislike people who think cars are a bad idea, they've prolly never driven a car with more than 80 horsepower and drive those stupid hybrids.

I regularly agree with you, but right now...

DLRs > you. I can see a car much more easily, and at a greater distance with it's lights on, always. And, as the electricity is being generated anyways, their is no electricity being wasted.

that's not the point. the point is that an object emitting light is more noticeable in periferal vision than an object that merely reflects it. if your pulling out of a junction and a car with no lights on comes round the corner just as you're looking the other way you might not catch it, if it has it's lights on you definitely will except in the brightest sunlight. also with motorbikes, they appear often in periferal vision, especially in traffic where they can go between the cars. a bike with it's lights off is practically invisible in a quick glance at your mirrors or over your shoulder. with it's lights on you can't miss it. also, a dark car coming out of a deeply shaded stretch of road into sunlight is practically invisible to someone who is looking from the sunlit stretch, with it's lights on it is much easier to notice.

Okay, now that I am in a clearer state of mind--that is, I have had sleep--I can see your points. I still don't fully agree with them, but I definitely see your points.

And Soviet Haaregrad...you regularly agree with me? That's the first time I've heard someone say that.



They're called "High Beams" because they are actually HIGHER than regular lights, not brighter. The High Beams project light straight out. Whereas regular lights are projected at a downward angle.
I'm not moving on this one, but that's because I like using the term brights. It's the term I use, and I'm not budging.

And Soviet Haaregrad...you regularly agree with me? That's the first time I've heard someone say that.

So yeah, hurry up and move, you'll get used to the DLRs. :D

I get annoyed at drivers who pull up to within 3 feet of the car in front of them at a red light. If everyone parked 20 feet away from the car in front of them, people would not need to be sitting still in line at a red light. Why do people do this?

I also do not like it when people stop ahead of the stopping line, espescially when this intereres with trucks who are turning.

Here's a couple more:

1. People who call the brights high beams. No, people, they are not "high beams." They are brights. They are not some beam of light that is higher than the dimmer setting. They are merely brighter lights. Brights. Get it?!

2. People who set the lights in cars to be on whenever a door is opened. The only time you need interior lights is at night, and if you just lock the damned car with the remote and unlock it with the remote, the lights will--get this--TURN ON! So inefficient.

3. People with their headlights on when the sun is just starting to go down, or when it's already more than up enough, or when there is supposedly fog yet it's floating around on the bloody mountains next to the highway rather than actually on the highway. Or, for that matter, those that just turn them on all the time. They don't help people see you if it's BRIGHT ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR GOD DAMNED CAR! STOP WASTING ELECTRICITY!

1) Actually it's just moving the position of the light upward. It's a high beam, not brights.

2) Most vehicles that's automatic.

3) My truck has the headlights on any time the key is on. Live with it. Besides you're not wasting electricity, the alternator is constantly making more. It'd be wasteful not to use it for something. That battery only charges so much.

though finding an empty road round here is nigh on impossible. the population density in the south of england is just crazy :p


You need to take a trip to the US Great Plains. Kansas City to Denver--600 miles--966 Kilometers with only a few hills, mostly table flat, and places where you're the only car on a 4 lane road.

What I hate when I'm driving:

people who drive below the speed limit in good driving conditions,
people who blow past me when I'm doing the speed limit (or slightly-but-safely above it),
people who don't know how to merge,
people who stop at intersections where they have a whole turning lane specifically so that they wouldn't have to stop,
people who don't signal lane changes,
people who wait until they get to an intersection with all kinds of advance visibility, then stop (at a yield sign) to look and see if it's safe to turn-- look before you get there!
people who don't keep to the proper lane and cut across several when turning,
people turning right at intersections where oncoming traffic has a left-turn signal who stop and sit there until through-traffic is moving because they assume the left-turners will cut across lanes (instead of keeping to the left like they're supposed to). MAKE the goddamned turn! If they hit you because they don't know how to drive properly, sue them into destitution and get those fuckers off the road while you get a nice new car!

As it happens, something like 90%+ of the stupid rednecks on the road where I live commit these driving sins constantly. They have no place behind the wheel, their lisences should be subject to annual competency tests and subsequently revoked. One of the things I'm most looking forward to when/if I become a police officer is finally having a ticket book. They're going to have to issue double- or triple-stuffs ticket books for me, because I'm gonna hit every fucker I see until they either shape up and learn to drive or they get the hell off the road!

i thought of a few more peeves

1. not saying thank you (ie putting up a hand or a finger) when you pull in to let someone pass on a residential street

2. people who start to overtake you but then slow down and just hover next to you.... what is the fucking point in that?! it just blocks you in FFS :mad:

Mine does ok, http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/civicsi06_07.jpg
Cept mine is white.

I dont have a turbo, but I do have vtech ( varible vavle timing ) so its realy fun in the bends.

Out here its really easy to find a road like that. Strange thing is if you go about 3 miles south you hit cranberry which is one of the fastest growing areas in the state, odd place to live.

Its why I dislike people who think cars are a bad idea, they've prolly never driven a car with more than 80 horsepower and drive those stupid hybrids.
looks good!
http://www.comp.co.uk/gallery/pics/PEUGEOT%20307CC%208X18%20CXT1880.JPG is mine, but grey. and i have to admit, when i had a 1.2 corsa driving was just A to B. since getting this driving has been fun! its also a hard-top convertable, which helps ;)

i'd also say that i'd rather use public transportation if i could, but its too expensive and not reliable enough. plus i visit places for work and the car is waaaaaaay easier for that.
You need to take a trip to the US Great Plains. Kansas City to Denver--600 miles--966 Kilometers with only a few hills, mostly table flat, and places where you're the only car on a 4 lane road.

god... being the only car on any decent road round here (A road or motorway) is actually something i don't think i've ever experienced in my 5 years of driving so far :P

Lorry drivers trying to overtake other lorries. On an incline. On a two lane dual carriageway. When they both have enough trouble getting up the damn hill anyway. This really, really annoys me.

god... being the only car on any decent road round here (A road or motorway) is actually something i don't think i've ever experienced in my 5 years of driving so far :P

New years day. The M6. The really desolate stretch by the lake district. 8.30 am *nods*

(No, I don't know why I'm using so many full stops.)

San Jose? Did you get lost?[/anti-San Jose bias...]

That's the best highway in the world, dammit.

No, I literally got directions from San Francisco to the Winchester Mansion, visited there, then went straight to... er, was it Santa Clara or Santa Rosa, to hook up with the PCH?

And damn, it IS the best highway ever. Even if "Town: 65 miles" means "Drive: All Day" ;).

I'll be damned if they aren't serious when you see a speed limit around a curve of "15 mph".

Yes, the car is generating its own electricity. That's not the point.

It's a wasteful habit. It's indicative of other wasteful habits involving electricity, like leaving televisions or lights on in rooms when you go away for up to an hour somewhere else in the house. Those are very bad habits to develop because they end up harming all of us in the end, because our power supply is a finite resource, and wasting it like that means we have that much less.

Talk about a slippery slope.

How about: you keep your lights off, and the rest of us will do as every insurance company and article about car safety tells us to do?

New years day. The M6. The really desolate stretch by the lake district. 8.30 am *nods*

(No, I don't know why I'm using so many full stops.)

because full stops. make it. sound like. a challenge.??

new year's day will be spend in the traditional manner, thankyouverymuch... that is, getting stuffed to the rafters on a second or third roast turkey and gorging on yet more pies!


the A27 between Portsmouth and Chichester can be pretty good though... that's where i did 110mph.

One of the things I'm most looking forward to when/if I become a police officer is finally having a ticket book. They're going to have to issue double- or triple-stuffs ticket books for me, because I'm gonna hit every fucker I see until they either shape up and learn to drive or they get the hell off the road!

Expect to be in traffic court. A lot.
Expect to see the review board. A lot.

Talk about a slippery slope.

How about: you keep your lights off, and the rest of us will do as every insurance company and article about car safety tells us to do?

Yeah I'm with Kat on this one...

Now to get back to the fun of this thread...

Really annoying things continued:

TAKING UP TWO LANES AT A RED LIGHT!!!
Not making a right on red when it's legally allowed and there's no danger of pedestrians or cars!

because full stops. make it. sound like. a challenge.??
Poss. ib. ly.:p
new year's day will be spend in the traditional manner, thankyouverymuch... that is, getting stuffed to the rafters on a second or third roast turkey and gorging on yet more pies!
Haha, I wasn't reccomending it; it was the place and time were we did 130, and got from the middle of the lakes to Newcastle in like 1hr15 or something ridiculous.

Expect to be in traffic court. A lot.
Expect to see the review board. A lot.


Fine by me. Every ticket would be deserved, or I wouldn't write it. But once it was written, defending it would be worth it if it did anything to get incompetent fuckwits off the road. Bad drivers should be punished because their carelessness and/or stupidity make them dangerous. Penalise them for being careless and/or stupid, and they'll learn to be more careful and/or aware of the traffic rules. Or, they'll lose their liscence and be off the road (and possibly incarcerated if they drive anyway). In any event, the roads are made better.

[...]TAKING UP TWO LANES AT A RED LIGHT!!!
Not making a right on red when it's legally allowed and there's no danger of pedestrians or cars!

That reminded me of another thing I hate: when people enter intersections without even thinking about whether there's room for them to get all the way through. Then the light changes and they're blocking the perpendicular traffic. They need to have a finger broken every time they do that.

Fine by me. Every ticket would be deserved, or I wouldn't write it. But once it was written, defending it would be worth it if it did anything to get incompetent fuckwits off the road. Bad drivers should be punished because their carelessness and/or stupidity make them dangerous. Penalise them for being careless and/or stupid, and they'll learn to be more careful and/or aware of the traffic rules. Or, they'll lose their liscence and be off the road (and possibly incarcerated if they drive anyway). In any event, the roads are made better.

Stay out of the Bronx...

That reminded me of another thing I hate: when people enter intersections without even thinking about whether there's room for them to get all the way through. Then the light changes and they're blocking the perpendicular traffic. They need to have a finger broken every time they do that.

Yeah I hate that or when you're stopped at the red light and not blocking traffic and they still can't drive and cut close enough to you to scratch your bumper because they can't negotiate a turn.

No, I literally got directions from San Francisco to the Winchester Mansion, visited there, then went straight to... er, was it Santa Clara or Santa Rosa, to hook up with the PCH?
Santa Clara, Santa Rosa is in the North Bay. I get all the "Santas" mixed up all the time. Serra was one unimaginative motherfucker.

And damn, it IS the best highway ever. Even if "Town: 65 miles" means "Drive: All Day" ;).

I'll be damned if they aren't serious when you see a speed limit around a curve of "15 mph".

Last time I hit that road with any seriousness (I lived practically on it for a few years, but aside from that) I was in my beloved if not beaten Porsche 914 (with freshly installed transmission after it went south on me while in LA), so I took those signs as a challenge.

Another pet peeve I have are speed limits on interstates, they're not really needed imo.

Even my lowly SI is totally happy at 135 ( the limiter cuts in at 140 ), as long as you have the tires for it.

Stay out of the Bronx...


I make a point of staying out of the United States. At least until Americans start electing some better leaders, I don't even care to cross the border into Crazyland.

1.People who think honking works when you are in the middle of rush hour.

2. School Buses that take ten minutes to drop one kid off.:upyours:

3. People who cannot see over the steering wheel driving 20 mph over the speed limit. *Makes me want to laugh so badly.:p*

4. People who smoke and are on the cell phone while driving.:mad:

5. People who do not know what a yellow light means.

6. My fellow teenagers who give us a bad name. Guess what, I can drive better then ninety nine percet of people my age.

7. People who mock me while driving because I like classical music, then I start to play White and Nerdy.:p

8. People who half the speed limit.

9. The people who make an effort to not use turn signals.

10. People who do not even know what a turn signal means.

11. People who cannot spot until their twenty feet (roughly eight meters for those who do not know;)) away from a stop light.

This can go on for roughly a couple hundred more pet peeves, as I actually do have a numbered list.

I make a point of staying out of the United States. At least until Americans start electing some better leaders, I don't even care to cross the border into Crazyland.

Awesome, we're safe!

Santa Clara, Santa Rosa is in the North Bay. I get all the "Santas" mixed up all the time. Serra was one unimaginative motherfucker.

Last time I hit that road with any seriousness (I lived practically on it for a few years, but aside from that) I was in my beloved if not beaten Porsche 914 (with freshly installed transmission after it went south on me while in LA), so I took those signs as a challenge.

Hehehe, well it WAS seven years ago. (July 2001.)

I was in a rental Taurus. ;) I wasn't looking for performance, and I didn't have any! :-D

But I DID pull into a kazillion of those pull-offs to let the fast traffic by, and to take the most unbelievably awesome pictures ever.

It was more than a little strange though, for Ms. Solo-Flyer NY to invariably have someone pull off just behind me on a deserted stretch of highway to make sure I was ok. Seriously, made me very nervous and paranoid. :)

Lorry drivers trying to overtake other lorries. On an incline. On a two lane dual carriageway. When they both have enough trouble getting up the damn hill anyway. This really, really annoys me.

Damn, they do that on the other side of the pond too? What is wrong with people?

Damn, they do that on the other side of the pond too? What is wrong with people?At least here we respect the superiority of the left handed people here by briving on the sides of the road that make them, by them I include myself you bloody Brit so do not make come over their and make you soil your knickers with fear of our dread lord, King George II, the most comfortable.;)

Damn, they do that on the other side of the pond too? What is wrong with people?

Truck drivers have to be on time with their deliveries. They are very time based and are often rushed, so they'll pull stupid crap like this to get in front of everyone else.

Truck drivers have to be on time with their deliveries. They are very time based and are often rushed, so they'll pull stupid crap like this to get in front of everyone else.

It has a lot to do with simple physics too. A truck going downhill has a lot of speed that will generate behind it. Truckers can't really ride their brakes downhill either, they'll burn them out, and they do a lot of downshifting and what not to slow their vehicle down on the down slope. So what a trucker will often do, rather than ride behind another truck, which will be doing the same thing, is to ride along side of them or stagger themselves out. It's rhythmic, trucks go slow up the hills but they go quickly down the hills. They don't want to hit the top of the hill doing 65 because that means they'll have that much MORE speed to bleed off by the time they get to the bottom of the hill.

Truckers are also heavily regulated in the US as to how many hours they can drive and what not. EZ Pass also clocks their average speeds to simply by the time it takes for them to go from one point to the other. Local delivery trucks will hustle FAR more than big rigs that have hundreds of miles or further to go on their deliveries.

Hehehe, well it WAS seven years ago. (July 2001.)

I was in a rental Taurus. ;) I wasn't looking for performance, and I didn't have any! :-D

But I DID pull into a kazillion of those pull-offs to let the fast traffic by, and to take the most unbelievably awesome pictures ever.

It was more than a little strange though, for Ms. Solo-Flyer NY to invariably have someone pull off just behind me on a deserted stretch of highway to make sure I was ok. Seriously, made me very nervous and paranoid. :)

Yeah never do that in NY :). I wouldn't don't know if it's a setup or not...

Hehehe, well it WAS seven years ago. (July 2001.)

I was in a rental Taurus. ;) I wasn't looking for performance, and I didn't have any! :-D
Ah, the Tore-Ass. My drivers training car was one of those. The tach and the speedo where reversed from the truck I had been driving with my dad, so when I first pulled out in it I ended up doing around 50 going, "Man this thing takes forever to accelerate..." which wasn't entirely untrue.

But I DID pull into a kazillion of those pull-offs to let the fast traffic by, and to take the most unbelievably awesome pictures ever.
Here's the sad thing-I did my epic journey (LA to San Mateo) in the dead of night. Couldn't see shit, had been up all day and started the journey at 10pm, and of course drove it like I was being chased, so I missed what really is the best part of that road.

It was more than a little strange though, for Ms. Solo-Flyer NY to invariably have someone pull off just behind me on a deserted stretch of highway to make sure I was ok. Seriously, made me very nervous and paranoid. :)
Imagine a Californian in NY pulling over to see if someone was okay...my understanding is that we don't fair well in your city...

It has a lot to do with simple physics too. A truck going downhill has a lot of speed that will generate behind it. Truckers can't really ride their brakes downhill either, they'll burn them out, and they do a lot of downshifting and what not to slow their vehicle down on the down slope. So what a trucker will often do, rather than ride behind another truck, which will be doing the same thing, is to ride along side of them or stagger themselves out. It's rhythmic, trucks go slow up the hills but they go quickly down the hills. They don't want to hit the top of the hill doing 65 because that means they'll have that much MORE speed to bleed off by the time they get to the bottom of the hill.

Truckers are also heavily regulated in the US as to how many hours they can drive and what not. EZ Pass also clocks their average speeds to simply by the time it takes for them to go from one point to the other. Local delivery trucks will hustle FAR more than big rigs that have hundreds of miles or further to go on their deliveries.
Yes, and double yes. So truck driver's behavior actually makes sense.

People who use their turn signal long before they actually turn...people who constantly want to race me at stop lights...

Imagine a Californian in NY pulling over to see if someone was okay...my understanding is that we don't fair well in your city...

You'd probably be fine. There was a survey this summer about rudeness and politeness and NYC topped the list. IIRC Miami was the rudest or Detroit so you'd be safe, it's just that NY'ers that have lived here our whole lives, we sort of don't trust everything, especially since the '80s :(.

Lorry drivers trying to overtake other lorries. On an incline. On a two lane dual carriageway. When they both have enough trouble getting up the damn hill anyway. This really, really annoys me.

When I was in Wales recently there were two lorries overtaking (so there was a lorry on every lane). And because it was north Wales the in evitable incline brought the whole road to a dangerously slow speed considering everything. :mad:


That reminded me of another thing I hate: when people enter intersections without even thinking about whether there's room for them to get all the way through. Then the light changes and they're blocking the perpendicular traffic. They need to have a finger broken every time they do that.


Do you not have box junctions where you are?

(Actually, we do but people still put the same shit here)

It has a lot to do with simple physics too. A truck going downhill has a lot of speed that will generate behind it. Truckers can't really ride their brakes downhill either, they'll burn them out, and they do a lot of downshifting and what not to slow their vehicle down on the down slope. So what a trucker will often do, rather than ride behind another truck, which will be doing the same thing, is to ride along side of them or stagger themselves out. It's rhythmic, trucks go slow up the hills but they go quickly down the hills. They don't want to hit the top of the hill doing 65 because that means they'll have that much MORE speed to bleed off by the time they get to the bottom of the hill.
But I don't understand why they have to use up all three lanes and the emergency lane doing that on really long hills. It's just beyond irritating to be in a traffic jam doing 20 mph because of those trucks. There has to be a better system.

And for the record. I'm now just bitching to bitch about the behaviour. It pisses me off doubly bad because there's some sort of logic in it.

It has a lot to do with simple physics too. A truck going downhill has a lot of speed that will generate behind it. Truckers can't really ride their brakes downhill either, they'll burn them out, and they do a lot of downshifting and what not to slow their vehicle down on the down slope. So what a trucker will often do, rather than ride behind another truck, which will be doing the same thing, is to ride along side of them or stagger themselves out. It's rhythmic, trucks go slow up the hills but they go quickly down the hills. They don't want to hit the top of the hill doing 65 because that means they'll have that much MORE speed to bleed off by the time they get to the bottom of the hill.

Truckers are also heavily regulated in the US as to how many hours they can drive and what not. EZ Pass also clocks their average speeds to simply by the time it takes for them to go from one point to the other. Local delivery trucks will hustle FAR more than big rigs that have hundreds of miles or further to go on their deliveries.
Speaking as someone who has a vehicle that doesn't do hills well, I think it's a lot simpler than that.

If you have troubles with hills and you get a good head of steam up it's hard to rebuild that if you slow down. It's hard at that point to even match the speed of the thing holding you up, so unless you go around you'll end up going even slower. So if you can get around you do to keep that hard fought for head of steam. If I have to lift while climbing a hill in my Bus and I might as well park the thing and start thumbing for a tow...

But I don't understand why they have to use up all three lanes and the emergency lane doing that on really long hills. It's just beyond irritating to be in a traffic jam doing 20 mph because of those trucks. There has to be a better system.

Mainly because all that uphill and downhill puts a huge stress on a rig, , if one of them fails they can just pull over, or on a downhill strech hit a run off ramp. ( they're all over PA and WV ). The LAST thing you want is rigs piling up in a wreck on the highway, deal with going 20.

Mainly because all that uphill and downhill puts a huge stress on a rig, , if one of them fails they can just pull over, or on a downhill strech hit a run off ramp. ( they're all over PA and WV ). The LAST thing you want is rigs piling up in a wreck on the highway, deal with going 20.

I think the bigger problem is I just hate trucks on the freeway. Hasn't teleportation been perfected yet?

I think the bigger problem is I just hate trucks on the freeway. Hasn't teleportation been perfected yet?

Everytime I think about how to solve the trucks and regular transportation problem ("Shouldn't trucks have their own roads, for their safety and ours?") I just end up re-inventing the railroad.

Everytime I think about how to solve the trucks and regular transportation problem ("Shouldn't trucks have their own roads, for their safety and ours?") I just end up re-inventing the railroad.

That's what I think. I don't understand why the railroad more. Especially in areas with a good railroad infrastructure (I know that's not the right word).

But I don't understand why they have to use up all three lanes and the emergency lane doing that on really long hills. It's just beyond irritating to be in a traffic jam doing 20 mph because of those trucks. There has to be a better system.

in the UK, trucks aren't allowed in the outside lane, only the nearside two. means even on hills you don't have to totally slow down. still slow a little as the slower traffic moves out to overtake the trucks, but its better than nothing.

in the UK, trucks aren't allowed in the outside lane, only the nearside two. means even on hills you don't have to totally slow down. still slow a little as the slower traffic moves out to overtake the trucks, but its better than nothing.
That's actually the way it is here, too. And on hills extra lanes are added for slower traffic.

in the UK, trucks aren't allowed in the outside lane, only the nearside two. means even on hills you don't have to totally slow down. still slow a little as the slower traffic moves out to overtake the trucks, but its better than nothing.

I could live with that compromise.

That's actually the way it is here, too. And on hills extra lanes are added for slower traffic.

There's extra lanes for slow traffic in my part of the US, but the trucks use all the lanes anyway.:mad:

That's actually the way it is here, too. And on hills extra lanes are added for slower traffic.

ah, well then, what's the problem?

i'll admit its shit on 2 lane roads (like the A34 where you keep going from 90mph to 40 whenever a truck pulls out), but on 3+ lanes its generally ok, no?


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I could live with that compromise.

oh, i guess its not like that where you are then...

2 more:

people who keep their foot on the brake at traffic lights thereby ruining what i have left of my night vision. handbrakes exist for a reason.

people who brake before signalling. you are supposed to signal your intentions before maneuvering so that those following you can adjust their driving/position accordingly.

people who keep their foot on the brake at traffic lights thereby ruining what i have left of my night vision. handbrakes exist for a reason.

i don't do either of them.... i just keep it held on the clutch instead...

people who keep their foot on the brake at traffic lights thereby ruining what i have left of my night vision. handbrakes exist for a reason.



That is totally not the reason...

That is totally not the reason...

i know, but that doesn't change how pointless and annoying it is to keep the foot brake on at traffic lights.

i don't do either of them.... i just keep it held on the clutch instead...
yeh, but that doesn't affect anyone else, just wears your clutch out.

yeh, but that doesn't affect anyone else, just wears your clutch out.

yeah i shouldn't do it, but i'm too lazy to use the handbrake. by the time it develps a problem, i'll probably have sold the car anyway :P


of course, handbrake on hills is another matter

i know, but that doesn't change how pointless and annoying it is to keep the foot brake on at traffic lights.

People who have automatic transmissions, that's what they have to do. Brake lights aren't really that bright, if they're washing you out you have really really sensitive eyes.

People who have automatic transmissions, that's what they have to do. Brake lights aren't really that bright, if they're washing you out you have really really sensitive eyes.

i know it's people with automatics but automatics have a neutral gear too, and a 'park' gear for that matter. it's just laziness. and yeah i do have sensitive eyes it's true.

People who practically stop when turning.
Red lights
traffic jams
people who weave between lanes
people cutting other people off
people who stop at yellow lights
bicycles!!! goddamnit use the sidewalk stupid cyclists!!

i had a prick in a SUV-thing speed up loads while i was overtaking him on a normal, two-directional road the other day. the asshole pulled out right in front of the guy two cars ahead of me, causing everyone to brake hard; then later down the road (after the cars between us had turned off), at a place i've overtaken many times before, he's going 40(mph)... i put my foot down but by the time i nudge past him i'm going 75 and there's an oncoming car less than 20 meters in front of me. i swerve in, slam on the brakes (because there's a queue ahead now), and it was basically a total steaming pile of shit all because that guy didn't want me overtaking him. asshole.

wore out my tires braking from 75 to 0 :mad:

and for the record, like i said, i have overtaken many people there before. its quite a long, straight stretch of road leading up to a roundabout. its usually fine when the fucker doesn't race you FFS :rolleyes:

bicycles!!! goddamnit use the sidewalk stupid cyclists!!
Well bicycles are not supposed to use sidewalks. But I want to add..

1) People who refuse to use the god damn side walk and walk in the road anyway. One day I am going to get pissed the fuck off and take em out.
2) People who ride their bikes against traffic. You walk against traffic, you bike with traffic you fucking fucktards.

Imagine a Californian in NY pulling over to see if someone was okay...my understanding is that we don't fair well in your city...

You have to understand about NYCers, really. We've got as many people crammed into the five boroughs as the entire population of the state of Maryland. And that's just one city. So how do we cope with the crowds? We generally play the "I don't see you, you don't exist" game, UNLESS there is an emergency.

When I visited out there, it was tough to get used to the fact that people DO act as if you exist. People would just walk up to me on the street and start a conversation about my denim jacket (Looney Tunes). Or ask where I was headed. Or where I was from. I tell you, when you come from a place where no one speaks to you unless they need help or they see you do, it was very freaky and Stepford-Wivesish to me.

That said, stop a NYer and ask how to get somewhere in the city, and most of us are more than happy to set you on the correct path and maybe even suggest a point of interest near your destination that you might not know of but might enjoy. ;)

But I don't understand why they have to use up all three lanes and the emergency lane doing that on really long hills. It's just beyond irritating to be in a traffic jam doing 20 mph because of those trucks. There has to be a better system.

Technically they aren't allowed in the left lane unless to pass on two lane highways and for emergencies so it all depends...

i don't do either of them.... i just keep it held on the clutch instead...

Yeah that's a surefire way to burn out the clutch...

i know it's people with automatics but automatics have a neutral gear too, and a 'park' gear for that matter. it's just laziness. and yeah i do have sensitive eyes it's true.

Alright do you realize how much strain you're adding to a transmission putting it in park every time you're at a red light? then I'm sure you'd beep as the person takes too long to move when the light turns green because now they have to put it in drive and that means going through reverse and neutral and "guess what" you have to put your foot on the brake to shift between park and reverse to neutral DUH!...Even in neutral, if you're on an incline or not on even pavement you're going to roll, hence the brake. If you're getting blinded by peoples' brake lights at night don't drive...

You have to understand about NYCers, really. We've got as many people crammed into the five boroughs as the entire population of the state of Maryland. And that's just one city. So how do we cope with the crowds? We generally play the "I don't see you, you don't exist" game, UNLESS there is an emergency.

When I visited out there, it was tough to get used to the fact that people DO act as if you exist. People would just walk up to me on the street and start a conversation about my denim jacket (Looney Tunes). Or ask where I was headed. Or where I was from. I tell you, when you come from a place where no one speaks to you unless they need help or they see you do, it was very freaky and Stepford-Wivesish to me.

That said, stop a NYer and ask how to get somewhere in the city, and most of us are more than happy to set you on the correct path and maybe even suggest a point of interest near your destination that you might not know of but might enjoy. ;)


I always try to give directions myself Kat...what can I say, we're like that...hell I told one guy the other day he was leaking antifreeze like a civ out of his car...he didn't want to open the window either until i was like "dude you're leaking antifreeze!" i guess he thought I was going to rob him...I don't know why it was the middle of the afternoon and i was pointing to his hood lol!

Alright do you realize how much strain you're adding to a transmission putting it in park every time you're at a red light? then I'm sure you'd beep as the person takes too long to move when the light turns green because now they have to put it in drive and that means going through reverse and neutral and "guess what" you have to put your foot on the brake to shift between park and reverse to neutral DUH!...Even in neutral, if you're on an incline or not on even pavement you're going to roll, hence the brake. If you're getting blinded by peoples' brake lights at night don't drive...


1. i've never used the horn on my car or any other. besides it doesn't take any longer to shift an auto than it does to put a manual back in gear if you're paying attention to the traffic and the lights.

2. that's what the hand brake is for.

1. i've never used the horn on my car or any other. besides it doesn't take any longer to shift an auto than it does to put a manual back in gear if you're paying attention to the traffic and the lights.

2. that's what the hand brake is for.

the hand brake is not meant to be used for waiting for traffic lights and not all cars have handbrakes many have the foot brake...

these are to be used in emergencies or for parking...especially the foot ones because it's just a pair of cables that run to the rear brakes that lock them...use it too much and you might snap the cables and guess what, you can't disengage those brakes unless you take it to the mechanic and that happened to me once, snapped the cable by parking on the hill and using it, it happens, it was an old car (1993 and this was 2005). so yeah that's smart, use your foot brake at a red light, snap the cables, and be stuck, start a HUGE traffic jam...

1. i've never used the horn on my car or any other. besides it doesn't take any longer to shift an auto than it does to put a manual back in gear if you're paying attention to the traffic and the lights.

2. that's what the hand brake is for.

You dont know much about cars do you? Shifting an automatic like that is HELL on the transmission vavles.

You shouldnt use your hand brake for that, its not meant for it and could very easliy get jammed.

the hand brake is not meant to be used for waiting for traffic lights and not all cars have handbrakes many have the foot brake...

these are to be used in emergencies or for parking...especially the foot ones because it's just a pair of cables that run to the rear brakes that lock them...use it too much and you might snap the cables and guess what, you can't disengage those brakes unless you take it to the mechanic and that happened to me once, snapped the cable by parking on the hill and using it, it happens, it was an old car (1993 and this was 2005). so yeah that's smart, use your foot brake at a red light, snap the cables, and be stuck, start a HUGE traffic jam...

my driving instructor who told me to always use the handbrake at traffic lights and other junctions must have been talking out of his arse then. and what kind of emergency would you use a handbrake over a footbrake? i can tell you now, if you need to do a handbrake turn to get out of an emergency situation you're driving dangerously already. the handbrake is for keeping the car from rolling when it is stationary and out of gear (like it should be when it is stationary unless it is parked on a hill with the engine off). sure, if you habitually yank on the handbrake you are going to break the cable, most situations don't need much tension on the cable at all, the situations that do, well, there's no other course of action but to use the handbrake anyway (or you could hang on the clutch i suppose but i think a new clutch is far more expensive a new handbrake cable).

You dont know much about cars do you? Shifting an automatic like that is HELL on the transmission vavles.

You shouldnt use your hand brake for that, its not meant for it and could very easliy get jammed.

Thank you...

my driving instructor who told me to always use the handbrake at traffic lights and other junctions must have been talking out of his arse then. and what kind of emergency would you use a handbrake over a footbrake? i can tell you now, if you need to do a handbrake turn to get out of an emergency situation you're driving dangerously already. the handbrake is for keeping the car from rolling when it is stationary and out of gear (like it should be when it is stationary unless it is parked on a hill with the engine off). sure, if you habitually yank on the handbrake you are going to break the cable, most situations don't need much tension on the cable at all, the situations that do, well, there's no other course of action but to use the handbrake anyway (or you could hang on the clutch i suppose but i think a new clutch is far more expensive a new handbrake cable).


Yes he was and by foot brake I mean the emergency brake on the floor. Your handbrake and foot emergency brake just lock your brakes up, that's all they do, which is perfectly useful in parking but it's been used in rare emergencies too to stop the car not sure how much it helps but i've seen it done to good effect...

by the way i don't even drive a manual but i know you don't hold the clutch...at a red light it goes in neutral and you hold the brake...

You dont know much about cars do you? Shifting an automatic like that is HELL on the transmission vavles.

You shouldnt use your hand brake for that, its not meant for it and could very easliy get jammed.

true enough i don't know much about the mechanisms of automatic transmission systems, but i know enough and have driven enough that i despise cars that have them. the only reason to own an automatic as far as i'm concerned is on heavy vehicles that are driven all day or if you drive in city traffic all day or if you have some kind of disability that means you can't use your left foot.

true enough i don't know much about the mechanisms of automatic transmission systems, but i know enough and have driven enough that i despise cars that have them. the only reason to own an automatic as far as i'm concerned is on heavy vehicles that are driven all day or if you drive in city traffic all day or if you have some kind of disability that means you can't use your left foot.


you definitely don't know enough and should really go back to driving school. by the way, some people just wind up with automatics because that's what they could afford at the time...

Yes he was and by foot brake I mean the emergency brake on the floor. Your handbrake and foot emergency brake just lock your brakes up, that's all they do, which is perfectly useful in parking but it's been used in rare emergencies too to stop the car not sure how much it helps but i've seen it done to good effect...

by the way i don't even drive a manual but i know you don't hold the clutch...at a red light it goes in neutral and you hold the brake...

so i guess the driving test examiner who marks on a standardised checklist must have been misinformed as well eh? i know what you meant by footbrake, i've driven many vehicles with those kind of brakes. i was using the term to refer to normal brakes which is what it actually means. you were refering to a parking brake which is used whenever the car is stationary and out of gear.

locking the brakes is not an effective braking method, hence Anti-lock Braking Systems. i wasn't recommending hanging on the clutch as good practice, it's just something you can do if you want a fast get away.

you definitely don't know enough and should really go back to driving school. by the way, some people just wind up with automatics because that's what they could afford at the time...

and that makes sense because automantic transmission is cheaper than manual. oh, wait. no it isn't.

so i guess the driving test examiner who marks on a standardised checklist must have been misinformed as well eh? i know what you meant by footbrake, i've driven many vehicles with those kind of brakes. i was using the term to refer to normal brakes which is what it actually means. you were refering to a parking brake which is used whenever the car is stationary and out of gear.

locking the brakes is not an effective braking method, hence Anti-lock Braking Systems. i wasn't recommending hanging on the clutch as good practice, it's just something you can do if you want a fast get away.

yes you were seriously misinformed...very very very seriously misinformed...by the way, ABS does not decrease your stopping distance, actually it increases your stopping distance...what it does do though is allows you to maintain steering control, which is the most crucial matter...

and that makes sense because automantic transmission is cheaper than manual. oh, wait. no it isn't.

on new cars manual is cheaper but we're not all made of money...used cars it all depends...beggars can't be choosers...

People who tailgate me when the weather is bad or the road is really wet or potentially icy.

People who do an overtake in bad weather.

People who change langs and suddenly chage back again (within 5 seconds)

People who overtake me period.

Motorcycles that weave around cars.

When big trucks start throwing debries

People who suddenly move into the carpool lane (When the line is solid)

CELL PHONE DRIVERS! (especially when they are driving a honking huge car)

People who have their stero up too loud at max base (especially with rap)

yes you were seriously misinformed...very very very seriously misinformed...by the way, ABS does not decrease your stopping distance, actually it increases your stopping distance...what it does do though is allows you to maintain steering control, which is the most crucial matter...



on new cars manual is cheaper but we're not all made of money...used cars it all depends...beggars can't be choosers...

don't presume to educate me on the function of ABS. and no i'm not made of money either, far from it, but if my only option when buying a car was to buy an automatic i'd get the bus.

besides, why is it such a heinous crime to use the handbrake when stopped at junctions?

true enough i don't know much about the mechanisms of automatic transmission systems, but i know enough and have driven enough that i despise cars that have them. the only reason to own an automatic as far as i'm concerned is on heavy vehicles that are driven all day or if you drive in city traffic all day or if you have some kind of disability that means you can't use your left foot.

My last car was a automatic, and i love the 6 speed on my new SI, but there are some days esp in traffic when I really wish I had an automatic.

They're much nicer for daily driving, stick is more fun when I drive fast, but after work I want to relax somtimes.

Plus, automatics tend to last longer than a manuel transmission.

Pretty much an automatic doesnt like to be shifter alot, do using the brake is fine,

and what about the fact that most american cars have the handbrake under the dash?

don't presume to educate me on the function of ABS. and no i'm not made of money either, far from it, but if my only option when buying a car was to buy an automatic i'd get the bus.

besides, why is it such a heinous crime to use the handbrake when stopped at junctions?

it's unnecessary...apparently you need to be educated on the workings of cars and when you need a car and an automatic is all you got to choose from that's what you'll choose because of necessity...

My last car was a automatic, and i love the 6 speed on my new SI, but there are some days esp in traffic when I really wish I had an automatic.

They're much nicer for daily driving, stick is more fun when I drive fast, but after work I want to relax somtimes.

Plus, automatics tend to last longer than a manuel transmission.

well depends i've seen manual's last a lot longer but the clutches are a frequent replacement every couple of years and what not if you are learning and what not...it really depends on the car too...transmissions are different with different car owners...like a Honda transmission'll probably go forever same with many Chevy's...Oldsmobiles = shite...sad thing is both Olds and Chevy are GM owned so even more confusing...

it's unnecessary...apparently you need to be educated on the workings of cars and when you need a car and an automatic is all you got to choose from that's what you'll choose because of necessity...

unnecessary, eh? well perhaps i live in a more slopy place than you. hardly worth the "very very very seriously misinformed" guff you were spouting, i'd call that pretty mild misinformation if what you say was even true.

and yeh, if it was absolutely essential for me to get a car and the only option was an automatic i'd have to get it, but i would always be on the look out to replace it with a manual. i have a good track record with selling cars, even made money on a few with no actual work beyond servicing done on them so that doesn't preent a problem for me.

well depends i've seen manual's last a lot longer but the clutches are a frequent replacement every couple of years and what not if you are learning and what not...it really depends on the car too...transmissions are different with different car owners...like a Honda transmission'll probably go forever same with many Chevy's...Oldsmobiles = shite...sad thing is both Olds and Chevy are GM owned so even more confusing...

oh yeh, and my car is 11 years old and has never needed either the clutch or the handbrake replaced, and it was built during a time when build quality was far from optimum at VW.

unnecessary, eh? well perhaps i live in a more slopy place than you. hardly worth the "very very very seriously misinformed" guff you were spouting, i'd call that pretty mild misinformation if what you say was even true.

and yeh, if it was absolutely essential for me to get a car and the only option was an automatic i'd have to get it, but i would always be on the look out to replace it with a manual. i have a good track record with selling cars, even made money on a few with now actual work beyond servicing done on them.

some of us aren't good with the used cars sales, doesn't mean we're any less of people because all we can afford are automatics...

which brings me to a point i forgot to say...if the "brightness" of a brake light is really that much of a bother don't stop so close to the car...they aren't nearly as bright as true white headlights or brights / high-beams

oh yeh, and my car is 11 years old and has never needed either the clutch or the handbrake replaced, and it was built during a time when build quality was far from optimum at VW.

lucky you...it happens though...hear plenty of stories about clutches being replaced 30, 40 thousand miles into a car...hell sometimes it's because the drivers are learning and grind it up in the beginning or because they're racing or they're shoddy...

handbrakes goes the same way and e-brakes too...sometimes they just snap...excessive use doesn't guarantee it's going to happen but it makes it a helluva lot more likely...

some of us aren't good with the used cars sales, doesn't mean we're any less of people because all we can afford are automatics...

which brings me to a point i forgot to say...if the "brightness" of a brake light is really that much of a bother don't stop so close to the car...they aren't nearly as bright as true white headlights or brights / high-beams

i wasn't trying to imply any such thing, merely describing my own situation.

you're right there and it would have been simple enough to say that at the start. the fact is though sometimes that's just not feasible and it's those times when brakelights annoy me. an example could be farm machinery maneuvering slowly in the middle of the road after a blind bend, car in front brakes sharply, as do i, i end up closer to the high placed brilliant brakelights than is comfortable, everyone has to wait for the farm machinery to get out of the road, annoyance ensues. if they only put their handrake on to wait it out (thereby also saving strain on their own leg muscles) i'd be much happier.

which brings me to a point i forgot to say...if the "brightness" of a brake light is really that much of a bother don't stop so close to the car...they aren't nearly as bright as true white headlights or brights / high-beams
More pet peeves: people with 1000W halogen lamp white headlights.

More pet peeves: people with 1000W halogen lamp white headlights.

yeh, they're annoying too. especially on trucks so even when they're dipped they're still shining right in your eyes.

unnecessary, eh? well perhaps i live in a more slopy place than you. hardly worth the "very very very seriously misinformed" guff you were spouting, i'd call that pretty mild misinformation if what you say was even true.

and yeh, if it was absolutely essential for me to get a car and the only option was an automatic i'd have to get it, but i would always be on the look out to replace it with a manual. i have a good track record with selling cars, even made money on a few with no actual work beyond servicing done on them so that doesn't preent a problem for me.
I live in San Francisco, very hilly. The handbrake isn't designed for that use, it's used for it's other name-parking brake. In fact, many American cars don't have hand brakes, the parking brake is a pedal that requires a special lever or foot move to disengage it-which in San Francisco will get you the honk as you fiddle with your parking brake after the light turns green.

Even when you park here in the city with the parking brake it isn't sufficient, you leave the car in gear and 'curb' your tires, turning them so that if the parking brake fails your car stops on or rolls onto the curb.

While rare, it is possible for an automatic transmission to slip gears so it is not a good idea to rely on leaving it in neutral, and in your hilly environment, suicidal. Your regular brakes are designed to bring your car to a stop and hold it there, the centrifugal clutch is designed so that you don't have to pull the car out of gear at a stop. Brake lights aren't that bright because they are designed to face other drivers. If it's that much of a problem you need to wear red sunglasses because you have a special condition. People shouldn't be modifying the use of their cars in unintended ways that are not as efficient or safe for your sake.

i wasn't trying to imply any such thing, merely describing my own situation.

you're right there and it would have been simple enough to say that at the start. the fact is though sometimes that's just not feasible and it's those times when brakelights annoy me. an example could be farm machinery maneuvering slowly in the middle of the road after a blind bend, car in front brakes sharply, as do i, i end up closer to the high placed brilliant brakelights than is comfortable, everyone has to wait for the farm machinery to get out of the road, annoyance ensues. if they only put their handrake on to wait it out (thereby also saving strain on their own leg muscles) i'd be much happier.

you're leg muscles are stronger than your arm muscles so pushing down on a brake won't save your body wear and tear over pulling up a hand brake...good lord that's almost more ridiculous than anything else you've said so far...maybe instead of flying around a blind turn when you know farm machinery might be in the area you should slow it down a little by taking your foot off the gas...

More pet peeves: people with 1000W halogen lamp white headlights.

yeh, they're annoying too. especially on trucks so even when they're dipped they're still shining right in your eyes.

god I hate that!

I live in San Francisco, very hilly. The handbrake isn't designed for that use, it's used for it's other name-parking brake. In fact, many American cars don't have hand brakes, the parking brake is a pedal that requires a special lever or foot move to disengage it-which in San Francisco will get you the honk as you fiddle with your parking brake after the light turns green.

Even when you park here in the city with the parking brake it isn't sufficient, you leave the car in gear and 'curb' your tires, turning them so that if the parking brake fails your car stops on or rolls onto the curb.

While rare, it is possible for an automatic transmission to slip gears so it is not a good idea to rely on leaving it in neutral, and in your hilly environment, suicidal. Your regular brakes are designed to bring your car to a stop and hold it there, the centrifugal clutch is designed so that you don't have to pull the car out of gear at a stop. Brake lights aren't that bright because they are designed to face other drivers. If it's that much of a problem you need to wear red sunglasses because you have a special condition. People shouldn't be modifying the use of their cars in unintended ways that are not as efficient or safe for your sake.

Yeah Yonkers is like that, a lot of hills! The hill I lived on in Mount Vernon, where the e-brake line snapped, was enough that if i didn't use the e-brake I probably would have bent the pin in the tranny...very uncool.

you're leg muscles are stronger than your arm muscles so pushing down on a brake won't save your body wear and tear over pulling up a hand brake...good lord that's almost more ridiculous than anything else you've said so far...maybe instead of flying around a blind turn when you know farm machinery might be in the area you should slow it down a little by taking your foot off the gas...
Not to mention that even the cheapest cars have power brakes now.

Hell, the brakes on my '67 Bus aren't that hard to press...



Yeah Yonkers is like that, a lot of hills! The hill I lived on in Mount Vernon, where the e-brake line snapped, was enough that if i didn't use the e-brake I probably would have bent the pin in the tranny...very uncool.
The parking brake on my Vanagon ('85...yeah, I have two VW Vans...I'm a speed demon...actually, I was-that's why I got pokey ass vans, so I could keep my license...) is damn near useless. Anytime I park there's that uncomfortable groan and lurch. Typically, I can't afford to have it adjusted so inevitably I'll pay a larger bill on the tranny later...

I live in San Francisco, very hilly. The handbrake isn't designed for that use, it's used for it's other name-parking brake. In fact, many American cars don't have hand brakes, the parking brake is a pedal that requires a special lever or foot move to disengage it-which in San Francisco will get you the honk as you fiddle with your parking brake after the light turns green.

Even when you park here in the city with the parking brake it isn't sufficient, you leave the car in gear and 'curb' your tires, turning them so that if the parking brake fails your car stops on or rolls onto the curb.

While rare, it is possible for an automatic transmission to slip gears so it is not a good idea to rely on leaving it in neutral, and in your hilly environment, suicidal. Your regular brakes are designed to bring your car to a stop and hold it there, the centrifugal clutch is designed so that you don't have to pull the car out of gear at a stop. Brake lights aren't that bright because they are designed to face other drivers. If it's that much of a problem you need to wear red sunglasses because you have a special condition. People shouldn't be modifying the use of their cars in unintended ways that are not as efficient or safe for your sake.

different driving styles there i guess. here we got a amber light before the light turns green so you can get everything together before the green. similarly though if anyone is still fannying about when the light turns green they invariably get a beep from someone in the queue. most drivers i know use the handbrake at junctions, those that don't are either sloppy drivers or drive automatics, one and the same generally in my experience. the only time it's not necessary to use the handbrake in a manual when stationary is when the road is perfectly flat which is rare enough that it's simply good practice as far as i'm concerned to make sure the handbrake is engaged whenever one is stopped for any significant period. short periods you can hang on the clutch without risking any significant strain to the car.

you're leg muscles are stronger than your arm muscles so pushing down on a brake won't save your body wear and tear over pulling up a hand brake...good lord that's almost more ridiculous than anything else you've said so far...maybe instead of flying around a blind turn when you know farm machinery might be in the area you should slow it down a little by taking your foot off the gas...


depends how long you're at it really. i don't know about you but engaging the handbrake for me takes significantly less effort than kepping my foot up on the foot brake for 10 minutes.

anyway, i've got to be up for work in 2 hours (shit) so i'm going to bed. night all and don't you go driving anywhere near me.

different driving styles there i guess. here we got a amber light before the light turns green so you can get everything together before the green. similarly though if anyone is still fannying about when the light turns green they invariably get a beep from someone in the queue. most drivers i know use the handbrake at junctions, those that don't are either sloppy drivers or drive automatics, one and the same generally in my experience. the only time it's not necessary to use the handbrake in a manual when stationary is when the road is perfectly flat which is rare enough that it's simply good practice as far as i'm concerned to make sure the handbrake is engaged whenever one is stopped for any significant period. short periods you can hang on the clutch without risking any significant strain to the car.
It's putting extra strain on a part of the car by not using it for what it was designed, and isn't as safe as you seem to think it is. The amber light here precedes the red. A 'pre-go' light seems silly, but I'm sure there's a reason.

I don't have to hang the clutch at stops, to keep it from overheating I'll pull it out of gear.
depends how long you're at it really. i don't know about you but engaging the handbrake for me takes significantly less effort than kepping my foot up on the foot brake for 10 minutes.
If you're at stops for ten minutes, shut the car down. You're lights have waaaaayyyyy to long for their cycles.

I have both automatic and manual transmissions. The only advantage of an automatic is they are easier to drive which makes them more popular by far.

In this area a rebuilt autotransmission costs $1500 (747 pounds, 1074 Eur.). I've replaced several. A clutch I know is much cheaper but haven't had the experience of replacing one so don't know the exact price.

The initial cost of the manual is also much less. But, if you don't know how to drive a manual you can burn one out in a day of learning.

Now about a red light, if you put the clutch to the floor and hold it there it will not wear it out. It's people that "ride" the clutch that wear them out. (holding the foot on the pedal while the car is in motion) Or "popping" the clutch (letting the pedal out too fast). Or starting out in the wrong gear (some people habitually start in 2nd)

If I were driving in heavy traffic I would still go with the auto simply because it's so much easier to start and stop.

I think our entire country was taught to use the handbrake at lights when you're going to be there for a while. I and everyone I know certainly was.

I think our entire country was taught to use the handbrake at lights when you're going to be there for a while. I and everyone I know certainly was.

I'm from the same state as you and I've never even heard of people doing that.

I think our entire country was taught to use the handbrake at lights when you're going to be there for a while. I and everyone I know certainly was.

I grew up in Nebraska, now live in Missouri, have driven in about 30 states and Canada and never heard of such a thing until this thread. I would think it would slow up the departure from a green change and upset those behind you.

I've never even heard of a handbreak...I didn't know those things existed.

I think our entire country was taught to use the handbrake at lights when you're going to be there for a while. I and everyone I know certainly was.I use it when a train is going by, but not I light. If I know it will be a long light, I will take it out of gear so I can let the clutch out.
I've never even heard of a handbreak...I didn't know those things existed.Never driven a standard, eh? Although, I find it quite odd that you have never heard of it before. Up here, you will fail your drivers test if you do not secure your car with the handbrake.

I use it when a train is going by, but not I light. If I know it will be a long light, I will take it out of gear so I can let the clutch out.
Never driven a standard, eh? Although, I find it quite odd that you have never heard of it before. Up here, you will fail your drivers test if you do not secure your car with the handbrake.

Not all parking brakes have a hand lever, some have a foot pedal. He probably just knows it as a 'parking brake' or 'e-brake.'

i don't do either of them.... i just keep it held on the clutch instead...

Ooh, riding the clutch is one of my pet peeves :p

I've never even heard of a handbreak...I didn't know those things existed.
this is one... your cars don't have them over there? :confused:

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The initial cost of the manual is also much less. But, if you don't know how to drive a manual you can burn one out in a day of learning.

also learning can be dangerous... i remember the first time my dad test-drove a manual after having been used to his automatic for years.... he stalled it while we were crossing a dual carriageway, which was mildly terrifying, to say the least :eek:
Ooh, riding the clutch is one of my pet peeves :p
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