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Well that super-leader of Iran Ayatollah Khomeini or whatever says Bush and his buddies will be tried by the World Court or something after this is all over. I hope he's right and these evil people are brought to justice for the gross war crimes they all committed.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_iraq)

TEHRAN, Iran - President Bush and other American officials will one day face trial just like deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for "the catastrophes they caused in Iraq," Iran's supreme leader said Friday.

Speaking to thousands of worshippers during the first Friday prayer of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that Bush will be called to account for the U.S.-led invasion.

"A day will come that the current U.S. president and officials will be tried in an international supreme court for the catastrophes they caused in Iraq," he said.

"Americans will have to answer for why they don't end occupation of Iraq and why waves of terrorism and insurgency have overwhelmed the country," he added. "It will not be like this forever and some day they will be stopped as happened to Hitler, Saddam and certain other European leaders."

Bush painted quite a different picture Thursday, describing an Iraq on the mend.

"One year ago, much of Baghdad was under siege," Bush said in a televised speech from the Oval Office. "Today, most of Baghdad's neighborhoods are being patrolled by coalition and Iraqi forces who live among the people they protect. ... Sectarian killings are down. And ordinary life is beginning to return."

But Khamenei mocked the U.S., describing the recent congressional testimony of the top American officials in Iraq as a sign of weakness and the failure of American policy in the war torn country.

"More than four years have passed since the occupation of Iraq and today everyone knows that America has failed and is frantically looking for a way out," he said.

In their testimony Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker raised allegations — denied by Iran — of Iranian meddling in Iraq by financial and military support of militias and insurgent groups. They warned that the U.S. was already embroiled in a proxy war with the Islamic republic.

Despite U.N. sanctions and efforts to isolate Iran internationally, the country is flourishing, maintained Khamenei.

"Today we are in a better political position compared to four to five years ago," he said. "We have moved forward economically and the spiritual preparedness and happiness of our nation has improved."

"A nation like ours, without an atomic bomb and not as wealthy as these other powerful governments, has foiled a whole series of their conspiracies and forced them to give up and withdraw," he added.

The U.S. accuses Iran of secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons and has called for further international sanctions against the country. Iran denies the charge.

Iran and the U.S. have not had diplomatic relations since Washington cut its ties with Tehran after Iranian students stormed the U.S. embassy there in 1979.

Yes, the US will also have to answer for where the nerve gas that gassed Kurds and Iranians came from.

Yes, the US will also have to answer for where the nerve gas that gassed Kurds and Iranians came from.

And Russia will have to answer for where all those weapons came from. Of course, bringing every nation involved in the Middle East and taking them to task for their meddling in one form or another might not be such a bad idea. I don't think anyone's truly innocent in that regard.

As much as I'd love to see Bush and his entire cabinet tried for war crimes and executed, there is no realistic chance of that ever happening.

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of Bush stuff. He'll be booted out anyway next year. Just gimme the pancakes, please.

But clearly, Bush and his buddies are guilty of at least 3776 (and counting) counts of murder just here in the US. A world court could put that number above 600,000 counts...

As much as I'd love to see Bush and his entire cabinet tried for war crimes and executed, there is no realistic chance of that ever happening.

You know nothing of vigilantism...

I think Bush and his entire cabinet should be hanged, mainly in this way because Saddam was hanged, those found guilty at Nuremburg were hanged, and I think it would be most fitting to make the statement that we have recognized Bush as the same type of dictator.

Unfourtantly comming out the wrong mouth, but absolutly true. Bush was never supposed to have been elected anyways. He lost in 2000. And man oh man how the hell did we ever get in Iraq and how the fuck did people think there was some kind of connection between Al-qaeda and Sadam Huissein is still beyond my wildest imagination. I just love how so hypocritical Bush is and almost every other president befor him is and while they may talk bad to one dictatorship they give help to others for their own economic intersts or for "national security". Hosni Mubarak is an example of how we still colaborate with dictators and preach democracy to the rest of the world. Its not only the foreign policy oh no thats just the tip of the iceberg for me.

I'll stop my ranting I think you would get the point. America is better than this and should be not as some kind of facist fuck police state but as a natioin that truly lives by its ideals.

You know nothing of vigilantism...


I'm giving you reality. The fact is that the American Empire has too much power to ever have it's leaders tried by a world court.

Yeah, there's a chance that some random person may kill Bush or Cheney, and I'd be the last one out of 300 million Americans to shed a tear, but no, there is no way Bush will ever be tried by a world court.

Unfourtantly comming out the wrong mouth, but absolutly true. Bush was never supposed to have been elected anyways. He lost in 2000. And man oh man how the hell did we ever get in Iraq and how the fuck did people think there was some kind of connection between Al-qaeda and Sadam Huissein is still beyond my wildest imagination. I just love how so hypocritical Bush is and almost every other president befor him is and while they may talk bad to one dictatorship they give help to others for their own economic intersts or for "national security". Hosni Mubarak is an example of how we still colaborate with dictators and preach democracy to the rest of the world. Its not only the foreign policy oh no thats just the tip of the iceberg for me.

I'll stop my ranting I think you would get the point. America is better than this and should be not as some kind of facist fuck police state but as a natioin that truly lives by its ideals.


The American people are better than this, but not many of them are fighting. Most don't want to believe we are in a war based on lies, that our government aided in the worst terrorist attack in our history, that our consitution has come to mean nothing.

I'm giving you reality. The fact is that the American Empire has too much power to ever have it's leaders tried by a world court.

Yeah, there's a chance that some random person may kill Bush or Cheney, and I'd be the last one out of 300 million Americans to shed a tear, but no, there is no way Bush will ever be tried by a world court.

Thus their obsession with 'terrorism' and 'insurgency', it's the only way they will ever see justice.

The American people are better than this, but not many of them are fighting. Most don't want to believe we are in a war based on lies, that our government aided in the worst terrorist attack in our history, that our consitution has come to mean nothing.

Are you from America too cause I am. I still am fighting my hardest but your right the people need to stop getting caught up in the little things in life. People need to control their life. Have less work time like they do in France so people can have lives to not only consume less but also to be with family more, be an informed citizen of your community and nation, and quite frankly if we just had some more time to exercise I think the image of a fat American would be nil.

I'm giving you reality. The fact is that the American Empire has too much power to ever have it's leaders tried by a world court.

Yeah, there's a chance that some random person may kill Bush or Cheney, and I'd be the last one out of 300 million Americans to shed a tear, but no, there is no way Bush will ever be tried by a world court.

I have more faith and optimism then...

But clearly, Bush and his buddies are guilty of at least 3776 (and counting) counts of murder just here in the US. A world court could put that number above 600,000 counts...

Over a million, based on the Lancet's earlier survey, and extending their methods.

I think Bush and his entire cabinet should be hanged, mainly in this way because Saddam was hanged, those found guilty at Nuremburg were hanged, and I think it would be most fitting to make the statement that we have recognized Bush as the same type of dictator.
Fortunately, the World Court refuses to give death sentences anymore. Life in prison would suit me just fine. Won't happen, but I can dream.

Good luck with that, we can't even get the fucker out of office..

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of Bush stuff. He'll be booted out anyway next year. Just gimme the pancakes, please.

You.Don't.Have.To.Read.OR.Post.On.The.Thread.

You.Don't.Have.To.Read.OR.Post.On.The.Thread.

No no no, it's the Fass doctrine, you must post in all threads, especially the ones that are of no interest to you to openly state that the thread is such. If you don't we might be left to assume you merely haven't read it, and then we wouldn't know about the things you don't like or risk going a moment without being aware of you.

And here I thought I'd never have anything in common with a nutjob aytollah... my apologies to him. Kinda.

Also I have a feeling that the only reason Bush is alive is that if he gets killed the next in line is Cheney. *shudder*

Also I have a feeling that the only reason Bush is alive is that if he gets killed the next in line is Cheney. *shudder*

Same here.

No no no, it's the Fass doctrine, you must post in all threads, especially the ones that are of no interest to you to openly state that the thread is such. If you don't we might be left to assume you merely haven't read it, and then we wouldn't know about the things you don't like or risk going a moment without being aware of you.


Fass Doctrine...I like that.

On the OP...big meh. He'll be out in little more then a year. We'll just exile him to his little ranch in Texas, and call it good.

When Bush retires, he'll be working as a representative of an American company, heavily invested by Saudi Arabia (like his dad). He’ll be golfing while the next administration struggles with the Iraq war and more American soldiers are killed there. He’ll be protected by the secret intelligence while the rest of Americans worry about the consequences of attacking a Muslim nation illegally and how that might work well for Al Qaeda’s jihad calls.

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of Bush stuff. He'll be booted out anyway next year. Just gimme the pancakes, please.

Not exactly. 16 months and 5 days to be exact.

As much as I'd love to see Bush and his entire cabinet tried for war crimes and executed, there is no realistic chance of that ever happening.I support 100% the following procedure:
Bush is handcuffed, arrested, sent to trial, declared guilty of Warcrimes, Get a Lifetime (or death) sentence.. and then the Court should suspend the Lifetime (or death) sentence

Why suspend the sentence? because all former Heads of state and political leaders should should have that immunity.

Presidents declared guilty of warcrimes should be judged, declared Guilty and then be set on the care of their families on some sort of "House arrest".

yes even monsters like Bush, Sharon and Saddam.

If we (and by "we" I mean "anyone") were in the business of trying US Presidents for silly little things like "War Crimes", then Carter would be the only still-living and non-incarcerated ex-President around.
The Rules of War were invented for the sole purpose of giving conquering nations an excuse to slap other countries around once the excuse of "But God said it was the right thing to do" no longer worked.

silly little things like "War Crimes"....silly little things like all the WWII Genocides, 911, Operation Ajax ,Armenian genocide, etc etc etc

You would not have been a good Nuremberg Lawyer.

silly little things like all the WWII Genocides
Committed by the Nazis and Japanese who lost.
911
Committed by Bin Laden, who lost. He also remains unpersecuted.
Operation Ajax
Which was momentarily successful, and, even though their efforts were later undone by the Islamic Revolution, none of the US perpetrators were ever punished.
Armenian genocide
Once again, no one was brought to justice and many continue to deny the genocide to this day. Hitler even found the encouragement for his own actions by the complete lack of backlash against Turkey.
You would not have been a good Nuremberg Lawyer.
No one could have helped those guys: They were screwed from the start because they had been on the losing side.

The Rules of War were invented for the sole purpose of giving conquering nations an excuse to slap other countries around once the excuse of "But God said it was the right thing to do" no longer worked.yes, the victorious side writes the laws and writes the history books.

..this thread is about what is right and what is wrong.. its about fairness.
Bush is not going to be tried for his Warcrimes.. we all know that.

It's quite interesting. Nuremberg set the precedent that waging any aggressive war, pre-emptive wars included, was illegal and the maximum punishment for waging said war is capital punishment. Hanging specifically.

"Waging aggressive war" was the primary charge against each of the Nazi's at Nuremberg. If you want to follow the precedent of Nuremberg, technically Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and others should indeed be tried and given at least 20 years imprisonment, which was the sentence given to Speer.

Same with Blair, and Howard.

Committed by Bin Laden, who lost. He also remains unpersecuted.I was talking about the other 911.. but your logic applies all the same.

I agree with your overall logic.. I was just commenting on your wording: "silly little things like WarCrimes".

Wait.. now that I read all your other posts.. I now think that part was sarcasm.. So, if it was sarcasm, I retract my post.

Perhaps the good Ayatollah should shut the fuck up and look at his own country first.

Idiot.

It's quite interesting. Nuremberg set the precedent that waging any aggressive war, pre-emptive wars included, was illegal and the maximum punishment for waging said war is capital punishment. Hanging specifically.
Which is exactly why the Soviets were also brought to justice for waging war on Estonia, Finland and others at the same time, and why they certainly weren't rewarded for their actions by being allowed to hold the territories they had seized while acting under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact for the rest of the century.
Oh ... wait.

Which is exactly why the Soviets were also brought to justice for waging war on Estonia, Finland and others at the same time, and why they certainly weren't rewarded for their actions by being allowed to hold the territories they had seized while acting under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact for the rest of the century.
Oh ... wait.

Yeah... That sucked... Not to mention the various warcrimes commited by British and American forces.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima for one...

But Bush could certainly be tried if the American people and Congress woke up to the fact that Americans should not be immune from punishment when they commit despicable warcrimes, and rallied to force the US government to sign up to the World court.

Very unlikely, but possible.

Thus their obsession with 'terrorism' and 'insurgency', it's the only way they will ever see justice.
But they won't see justice, even if the entire Bush administration is somehow jailed or executed. The damage will remain done, and the followers of those punished will, in turn, perceive a great injustice having been done upon them, thereby sparking yet more tension and conflict.

Justice is a myth, perpetuated by that side of human nature that sees sadistic pleasure in harm coming to those who have harmed us. Things will never be fair as long as we try to make people pay for what they have done in the past, and too much harm has come as a result of people trying to defy this principle. Hopefully people can learn that before we end up negating existence entirely as the last desperate solution to the problem of unfairness.

Yeah... That sucked... Not to mention the various warcrimes commited by British and American forces.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima for one...

You... fail... completley and utterly... fail...

Anyhoo, the Ayatollah AND Bush can go die in a fire for all I care.

You... fail... completley and utterly... fail...

Anyhoo, the Ayatollah AND Bush can go die in a fire for all I care.

Wow you couldn't have been a little more polite? And I really don't see how Hiroshima and Nagasaki couldn't be considered warcrimes. Or are you saying that the British and American's never commited warcrimes?

Wow you couldn't have been a little more polite? And I really don't see how Hiroshima and Nagasaki couldn't be considered warcrimes. Or are you saying that the British and American's never commited warcrimes?

(Not trying to threadjack)

You're quite simply just ignorant.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs, millions upon millions of Japanese men, women, and children would have died, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Oh, don't forget that the Russkies would have rolled in from the North.

And warcrimes? I'm guessing you've never heard of the Bataan death marches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March)?

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have gone to the concentration camps than take a Bataan death march.

As for British and American war crimes, are you talking of now or WW2?

(Not trying to threadjack)

You're quite simply just ignorant.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs, millions upon millions of Japanese men, women, and children would have died, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Oh, don't forget that the Russkies would have rolled in from the North.

And warcrimes? I'm guessing you've never heard of the Bataan death marches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March)?

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have gone to the concentration camps than take a Bataan death march.

As for British and American war crimes, are you talking of now or WW2?

I know all about the Bataan death marches. When did I say the Japanese don't have anything to answer for?

And I am aware that a ground invasion of Japan may have claimed more lives than both bombs. Note I use "may have".

And I'm talking about British and American warcrimes of WW2 and the present.

We nuked 2 cities, killing loads of Civilians, because we wanted to spare US soldiers lives. (Not trying to threadjack)

You're quite simply just ignorant.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs, millions upon millions of Japanese men, women, and children would have died...translation "Nuking 2 Japanese cities was an act of goodness benefiting the Peoples of Japan".

where did I hear that? oh yeah.. on US television: "We are bombing and occupying Iraq.. as an act of goodness benefiting the Peoples of Iraq"

We nuked 2 cities, killing loads of Civilians, because we wanted to spare US soldiers lives. translation "Nuking 2 Japanese cities was an act of goodness benefiting the Peoples of Japan".

where did I hear that? oh yeah.. on US television: "We are bombing and occupying Iraq.. as an act of goodness benefiting the Peoples of Iraq"

Here's what it boiled down to:

Option A (The atom bombs): Killed an estimate of 200,000 people once you include the after effects.

Option B: An all out invasion of the mainland of Japan. That would have made Stalingrad and Leningrad combined look like a joke. Tens of millions of people probably would have died.

This has fucko to do with Iraq.

I support 100% the following procedure:
Bush is handcuffed, arrested, sent to trial, declared guilty of Warcrimes, Get a Lifetime (or death) sentence.. and then the Court should suspend the Lifetime (or death) sentence

Why suspend the sentence? because all former Heads of state and political leaders should should have that immunity.

Presidents declared guilty of warcrimes should be judged, declared Guilty and then be set on the care of their families on some sort of "House arrest".

yes even monsters like Bush, Sharon and Saddam.

Um, why?

Anyhoo, the Ayatollah AND Bush can go die in a fire for all I care.

Sounds about right.

(Not trying to threadjack)

You're quite simply just ignorant.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs, millions upon millions of Japanese men, women, and children would have died, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Americans.

It's funny. I have sources from around that time that claim only ten thousand American lives were at stake.

Funny how no one really knows how many people would have died...

Here's what it boiled down to:

Option A (The atom bombs): Killed an estimate of 200,000 people once you include the after effects.

Option B: An all out invasion of the mainland of Japan. That would have made Stalingrad and Leningrad combined look like a joke. Tens of millions of people probably would have died.

This has fucko to do with Iraq.

Yet, this same attitude is prevalent in Iraq as it was back then. This constant attempt to make yourself look good even when you're doing something wrong. It's not just American either, but rather disturbingly human (I'm sure someone could find some good examples). That doesn't make it right and never will, really.

Which is why we're supposed to look at the nuclear bombs and think "eh, that didn't turn out so well, let's not do that again..."

Once again I am amazed by the idiocy found on this forum...

Once again I am amazed by the idiocy found on this forum...
You're going to have to be more specific than that. We've got something along the lines of 10,000 different flavors of idiocy around here, each one amazing in its own right.

well theres some things i would want to know. like why hasnt anybody tried to assassinate bush yet. better presidents than him have had their lives on the line like reagan and lincoln.

Because Bush is a puppet. Assassinating him wouldn't change much. Especially now that his term is almost over.

well theres some things i would want to know. like why hasnt anybody tried to assassinate bush yet. better presidents than him have had their lives on the line like reagan and lincoln.

it would make me happy to see him hurt though

it would make me happy to see him hurt though

Someone's getting a visit from the SS...

Yeah... That sucked... Not to mention the various warcrimes commited by British and American forces.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima for one...


You do realize that our soldiers are usually punished for that. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved an estimated million American lives and saved millions of Japanese lives. If not for the atomic bombings, the casualty counts would be much higher. Then you would have been calling them war criminals for not using them.

Well all someone needs to do is snipe bush, and give Cheney a life time gife certificate to the IHOP

No no no, it's the Fass doctrine, you must post in all threads, especially the ones that are of no interest to you to openly state that the thread is such. If you don't we might be left to assume you merely haven't read it, and then we wouldn't know about the things you don't like or risk going a moment without being aware of you.

Which can be repackaged in a new space-saving format of two words:

Attention Whoring.

You do realize that our soldiers are usually punished for that. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved an estimated million American lives and saved millions of Japanese lives. If not for the atomic bombings, the casualty counts would be much higher. Then you would have been calling them war criminals for not using them.

Hey, after you're done playing with your new machine that allows you to slide into parallel universes with alternate histories to know exactly what would happen if Hiroshima didn't get bombed, can I have a go?

it would make me happy to see him hurt though
Such is the attitude that gets us into these kinds of global conflict scenarios.

OKAY EVERYONE, PAY ATTENTION HERE

Welcome to International Relations 101.

Topic of the day: not signing a treaty means you are not bound by it.

The US is NOT a signatory to the World Court or the International Criminal Court. What this means is that another nation can indeed bring a complaint before the court against the US but the US in no way will recognize ethe complaint or comply with the wishes of the court because they don't have to.

Because there is no other nation currently that can level a serious challenge to the US, the US is free to ignore the demands of the court.

Since the US did not sign over some of its soverignty to be goverend by the world court, any charges made there would be considered out of jursidiction of the world court. Foreign actors would have to bring charges in a US civil or criminal court to in any way try the administration.

..this thread is about what is right and what is wrong.. its about fairness.
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If it is about fairness then it is not about reality. The old saying is "##life isn't fair" bit. He will be out soon enough and then we can all post about whomever wins the presidency.

If it is about fairness then it is not about reality. The old saying is "##life isn't fair" bit.true true :p

OKAY EVERYONE, PAY ATTENTION HERE

Welcome to International Relations 101.

(... we can do whatever we want because no-one can stop US... )...

...
Does beg the obvious question of what exactly the US government has against it, doesn't it?

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of Bush stuff. He'll be booted out anyway next year. Just gimme the pancakes, please.

Ditto!

Does beg the obvious question of what exactly the US government has against it, doesn't it?what the US gov has against international War crimes courts?
If they are innocent, they should have nothing to fear.

I wonder if Milosevic was against these courts?

The US government has not recognized the ICC because the US administrations have felt that they should not give up soverignty in the matter of their government to any higher body. The main issue here is the US government not wanting to give up direct judiciary control of it armed forces to an international body that - lets face it - tends to be more or less hostile towards a lot of US actions.


Should every nation in the world be a signatory to the ICC? Yes, it would be a good thing, but its not how the world works. In a case like this, the call for justice against Bush and whoever else will not be answered for the simple reason that there is no world power strong enough to force the US to submit to its demands. Milosovec was tried because the US was powerful enough to force him to appear before the court, but who is powerful enough to force Bush to appear before the court?

what the US gov has against international War crimes courts?
If they are innocent, they should have nothing to fear.

I wonder if Milosevic was against these courts?

see above post - its all about soverignty.

No wonder you were attacked with that attitude.

see above post - its all about soverignty.

You have to respect sovereignty, not just your own countries, to have it.

Without international laws that apply to all equally you have the law of the jungle, where the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must - just so you know et al Plato, that isn't what justice is about.

If it is about fairness then it is not about reality. The old saying is "##life isn't fair" bit. He will be out soon enough and then we can all post about whomever wins the presidency.

this is one of those lovely, catchy, romantic little half truths that always seem to be endlessly popular, probably because they make such good sounding excuses for things no one would ever put up with otherwise.

yes reality is nature and nature doesn't give a dam what anyone deserves

but

people need to concern themselves with not creating, by the statistical consensus of the values they actually live by, incentives, for creating the conditions that cause suffering

if

the wish to avoid suffering themselves

because

the more of it there is, the more each and every last one of us are likely to.

so

while the o.p. of this thread may be a quote about wishful thinking, from someone who'se wishes i don't often aggree with, i do share his about this.

also he was speaking of some possible future time, and thus not one entirely limited by existing conditions.

there will be a world government at some point, with real teeth, and, at least eventually, not bound to kissing unilateral ass.

soverignty, when it is a denyal of common decency and good sense, is political masterbation.

a day of peace and impartial justice will come. it may come about in any of a number of ways.

=^^=
.../\...

what the US gov has against international War crimes courts?
If they are innocent, they should have nothing to fear.

I wonder if Milosevic was against these courts?

It's easy for countries like the Netherlands or Iceland to support the court because they don't really live in the grownup geopolitical world. Those countries can say all the right things in all the trendy, politically correct forums because none of their leaders or soldiers will actually find themselves in a difficult situation.

American, Israeli, British (and Chinese, Russian etc.) leaders and soldiers have a good chance of having to make difficult decisions that the perfumed princes of Brussels or Davos might cluck at. These are countries that know that, at the end of the day, they can only rely on themselves and a close group of allies to protect themselves from terrorists and rogue states.

So, no, I don't want some socialist Scandinavian or America-hating third-world judge to have the power to sit in judgment over an American leader or Israeli colonel.

You have to respect sovereignty, not just your own countries, to have it.

Without international laws that apply to all equally you have the law of the jungle, where the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must - just so you know et al Plato, that isn't what justice is about.

It would be nice if the world worked that way, but it doesn't. Life isn't fair, the geopolitical climate isn't fair, resource distribution isn't fair, and justice isn't fair.

And the law of the jungle is the system in which international politics takes place. It is mostly a system of anarchy with pure power politics running most decisions. Successful and meaningful cooperations tend to rare so the nations with the most raw power have the run of the world.

I don't really like the system like that but its how it is.

Ayatollah Khomeini is a stupid, silly little man.

-snip -

If anything, the Ayatollah needs to be tried for crimes and be hung.

Several illegal hostage takings plus indiscriminate killings of God-knows how many people within their own nation... yeah, that's pretty bad.

Which can be repackaged in a new space-saving format of two words:

Attention Whoring.

Hey, if it's the Fass Doctrine, you need to emphasize the "Whoring" part of it.

Says so 'imself.
And yeah, totally.