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Am I having an impact?

PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 22:05
Acouple days ago, when oil hit $80/barrel, I read an article at cnn/money written by Steve Hargreaves that talked about why oil prices are getting so high but never mentioned Peak Oil. I wrote him an email:

You just can’t write “Peak Oil?” It’s not so fringe anymore that it doesn’t merit mention.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil prices hit an all-time high Wednesday, topping $80 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange and sending spasms through the marketplace.

Such uncertainties also lead inevitably to renewed airing of the Peak Oil theory, which posits that the world's petroleum production is at or near an unsustainable high and doomed to drop as demand gradually overwhelms supply.

The oil industry dismisses this as hogwash and continues to offer assurances that it can continue to match supply to demand for decades to come.

But with crude at $80 a barrel, it's clear that fewer futures traders are willing to believe it. In fact, they are increasingly betting against it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/oil-hits-80-skeptics-stare/story.aspx?guid=%7B2835B209%2DEA8A%2D4DB0%2DBF9A%2D2D93E31FCAE9%7D

Traders seem to buy it. If you can’t bring yourself to write the word’s “Peak Oil,” at least include an analysis of where you think supplies are going to come from to meet demand growth in the future. It’s probably the most vital issue facing mankind right now.

Today he wrote this article:

The end of oil
A small - but growing - group of experts think world oil production will peak in the next few years, to devastating effect.

By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
September 14 2007: 2:50 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- At some point in the near future, worldwide oil production will peak, then decline rapidly, causing depression-like conditions or even the starvation of billions across the globe.

That's the worst-case scenario for subscribers to the "peak oil" theory, who generally believe oil production has either topped out or will do so in the next couple of years.

A small but growing group of experts think oil production will peak in the next few years, then decline rapidly. The result could be worse than the Great Depression.

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What follows depends on who one talks to, but predictions run the gamut from the disaster scenario described above to merely oil prices in the $200-a-barrel range while society transitions to other energy sources.

It's not a view held by most industry experts, including the oil companies, the government and most analysts at the financial houses.

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But its adherents are growing, and include some fairly well-known names.

In the coming week, a former chairman of oil giant Royal Dutch Shell (Charts) is speaking at a peak oil conference in Ireland, as is former U.S. Energy Secretary James Schlesinger.

Most peak-oil proponents simply don't believe the numbers put forward by industry and the government.

The world will produce 118 million barrels of oil a day, up from its current 85 million barrels per day, just to satisfy projected demand by 2030, according to the Energy Information Agency.

"That's never going to happen," said Richard Heinberg, a research fellow at the Post Carbon Institute and author of three books on peak oil.

Heinberg says world production of regular crude oil actually peaked in May 2005. He also says production in 33 of the 48 largest oil producing countries is in decline, and that global oil discoveries peaked in 1964.

Most importantly, he says reserves in the Middle East, where EIA predicts the bulk of new supply will come from, have been "systematically overstated."

"Everyone just takes their figures at face value," Heinberg said. "But they are national oil companies, they can't be audited."

Instead of production ramping up to 118 million barrels per day, Heinberg sees a plateau over the next few years, then gradual declines beginning in 2010.

By 2015, he says the rate of decline will accelerate as field after field runs dry and few new supplies are found. By 2030, the world could be looking at powering its economy on 30 million barrels a day.

"It's going to be an enormous shock to the global system," said Heinberg. "We're talking something on the order of the Great Depression, perhaps much worse."

As for billions starving to death when crops dependent on fossil fuel-based fertilizers fail en masse, he said, "that's the worst case scenario, but it can't be ruled out."

Indeed, Web sites devoted to peak oil sell numerous survival-style books seemingly geared toward a society in which, at the very least, the basic economic infrastructure has broken down - if there's not total anarchy.

From the Web site lifeaftertheoilcrash.net, titles include "Gardening When it Counts: Growing Food in Hard Times" and "Crisis Preparedness Handbook: A Comprehensive Guide to Home Storage and Physical Survival."

"It's fear mongering, sensationalist crap," said Fadel Gheit, a senior energy analyst at Oppenheimer.

Gheit says there's plenty of oil out there, it just needs to get to a price where it's profitable to extract.

"We have so far consumed one trillion barrels" in all of history, he said, pointing to a 2000 study from the U.S. Geological Survey that made predictions based on rising prices, technology advances and assumed new discoveries based on past finds. "There are three trillion more to go."

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He said proven oil reserves - the ones oil companies believe they can extract with today's technology at current prices - have increased every year for the last 30 years.

A lot of the new oil will come from existing fields, said Gheit.

He said oil companies have never extracted more than 30 or 40 percent of the oil in any given field. It just became too expensive to continue drilling there, so the companies moved on to new areas.

"The free market is working," he said. "With higher prices, there will be incentive for companies to develop new technology" to extract the remaining oil.

Industry executives also downplay the peak oil theory.

"Similar predictions were made in 1914, in 1939, in 1951, when post-war demand was on the rise, and again in the 1970s," Exxon Mobil (Charts, Fortune 500) head Rex Tillerson was quoted saying in the Calgary Sun in 2005. "These predictions were always proven wrong."

But whether oil production peaks or not, by pushing crude prices up more than eightfold over the last 10 years, traders clearly believe supplies will strain to keep up with demand.

"Growth in the developing world is just too great," said Stephen Leeb, an investment manager who has authored two books on oil scarcity, the last one predicting $200-a-barrel oil in the next 5 to 10 years. "Demand for oil will outstrip supply."

I don't know that he wrote it in response to my email, but it's nice to see in the major press.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/14/news/economy/peak_oil/index.htm?cnn=yes
PsychoticDan
14-09-2007, 22:57
You should sue him for plagiarism. You'll lose, of course, but I could use the diversion.

No way. I like that he wrote it.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-09-2007, 22:58
You should sue him for plagiarism. You'll lose, of course, but I could use the diversion.
The Coral Islands
14-09-2007, 23:01
You may not be the only one who mentioned it to him, but the combined weight of a few, or a few dozen, voices might have stirred him into writing the second piece. Then again, maybe he just has a thing for passing off your work as his. If that is so, you should definitely give some more hints for story ideas- Maybe in time be a media baron and control the planet by impacting what people learn about the world around them through the media...
Or, if not, good eye for catching the peak oil theme ahead of its publication.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-09-2007, 23:05
No way. I like that he wrote it.
But if you don't sue him, then who will? Not me, I'm poor, and certainly not George Washington, he's dead. We can't just let people maybe get a way with a crime they might have possibly committed, unless they didn't do it!
Katganistan
14-09-2007, 23:30
OK, tell the truth:

You've bought oil futures and you're hoping that posting incessantly about prices going up (four threads that I can remember) for the last week will make everyone buy buy buy, thereby driving prices up more so you can make a killing.

Amirite?
Australiasiaville
15-09-2007, 01:12
Am I having an impact?

Only one way to find out; send him another e-mail suggesting that government-sponsored ice cream parlours will encourage African countries to open to international trade and see how long it takes for him to pen an article about it.
Kyronea
15-09-2007, 02:38
OK, tell the truth:

You've bought oil futures and you're hoping that posting incessantly about prices going up (four threads that I can remember) for the last week will make everyone buy buy buy, thereby driving prices up more so you can make a killing.

Amirite?

That would be a nice hypothesis, except that Dan's been posting about oil and energy for past year and a half...and probably longer than that.
Vetalia
15-09-2007, 02:48
That would be a nice hypothesis, except that Dan's been posting about oil and energy for past year and a half...and probably longer than that.

That's true. Of course, if you're of the opinion that we're at peak oil now, buying oil futures might not be a bad idea...
Kyronea
15-09-2007, 02:51
That's true. Of course, if you're of the opinion that we're at peak oil now, buying oil futures might not be a bad idea...
True, but not many people have the funds to just go around buying oil futures. I know I don't.
Vetalia
15-09-2007, 03:05
True, but not many people have the funds to just go around buying oil futures. I know I don't.

Yeah, considering you're usually buying them in 42,000 gallon increments...